The Qanon posts, and associated US political analysis

[Gracy]

Posted by Jayke (here)
You do realise that war with Iran isn’t going to happen, right? When polled only 26% of the American public thought it was a good idea. There’s no appetite for more war, which is why Trump has been avoiding any major conflicts since he took office. The majority of the Anons at the heart of the Q movement are extremely anti-war and are working tirelessly to ensure war doesn’t happen. If the Q phenomenon is a psyop to do what you say, it’s a really ****ty one because it’s failing miserably.

How do the anons accept the likes of Bolten, Pompeo, Haspel and Abrams, as part the plan to drain the swamp and stop the endless wars?

i have seen their plans flop in Venezuela, theyre hopefully flopping with the painfully obvious gulf of tonkin type of false flags near Iran, but they seem to still be right on track in operations like making sure Saudi Arabia is armed to the teeth in order to devastate Yemen.

Far as i know the drone strikes are continuing unabated as well.

How exactly is this explained as some sort of peace movement? Please explain nice and simple like, like i'm a third grader because i really do, want to be able to square this circle.

Thank you in advance Jayke!

[mgray]

During research I found a person named Mifsud-Buttigieg. My Take

[ulli]

Posted by Gracy May (here)

Posted by Jayke (here)
You do realise that war with Iran isn’t going to happen, right? When polled only 26% of the American public thought it was a good idea. There’s no appetite for more war, which is why Trump has been avoiding any major conflicts since he took office. The majority of the Anons at the heart of the Q movement are extremely anti-war and are working tirelessly to ensure war doesn’t happen. If the Q phenomenon is a psyop to do what you say, it’s a really ****ty one because it’s failing miserably.

How do the anons accept the likes of Bolten, Pompeo, Haspel and Abrams, as part the plan to drain the swamp and stop the endless wars?

i have seen their plans flop in Venezuela, theyre hopefully flopping with the painfully obvious gulf of tonkin type of false flags near Iran, but they seem to still be right on track in operations like making sure Saudi Arabia is armed to the teeth in order to devastate Yemen.

Far as i know the drone strikes are continuing unabated as well.

How exactly is this explained as some sort of peace movement? Please explain nice and simple like, like i'm a third grader because i really do, want to be able to square this circle.

Thank you in advance Jayke!

I haven’t investigated the drone strikes yet, but my take is that Trump is dealing with what he sees as _top priorities_, which is to stop the DS plan to create WW3.
That such a plan existed was already obvious to me long before November of 2016, before the American people elected Trump. To my surprise (yay) I discovered that he is completely anti-war, as in military conflict. Look at North Korea, and his very pinpointed strikes against Syria, where he dismantled Iran secret nuclear weapons program in the Syrian desert.

His war is against the deep state and their MSM propaganda arm.

The fact that he has war mongers like Bolton on his team doesn’t mean he wants a major war. They can do nothing unless he allows it. But it does mean that the enemy is sufficiently intimidated. And also that those people can’t do harm elsewhere. He himself said he wants a team that represents all sides, before making his decision.

Until you start investigating for yourself, and do your own research you may never get to the truth.
My opinion may only trigger arguments, so I will leave it at this.
Just try to look at events from a variety of angles, and see what priorities you would deal with first, if you had his powers.

He may never be the right person to run a major environment protection plan, but when his war against corruption in high places has been won, the next wave of leaders can then get to work on those other matters that are of concern to you.

[Jayke]

Posted by Gracy May (here)

Posted by Jayke (here)
You do realise that war with Iran isn’t going to happen, right? When polled only 26% of the American public thought it was a good idea. There’s no appetite for more war, which is why Trump has been avoiding any major conflicts since he took office. The majority of the Anons at the heart of the Q movement are extremely anti-war and are working tirelessly to ensure war doesn’t happen. If the Q phenomenon is a psyop to do what you say, it’s a really ****ty one because it’s failing miserably.

How do the anons accept the likes of Bolten, Pompeo, Haspel and Abrams, as part the plan to drain the swamp and stop the endless wars?

i have seen their plans flop in Venezuela, theyre hopefully flopping with the painfully obvious gulf of tonkin type of false flags near Iran, but they seem to still be right on track in operations like making sure Saudi Arabia is armed to the teeth in order to devastate Yemen.

Far as i know the drone strikes are continuing unabated as well.

How exactly is this explained as some sort of peace movement? Please explain nice and simple like, like i'm a third grader because i really do, want to be able to square this circle.

Thank you in advance Jayke!

I’d say the major difference between those that follow the Q thread versus those that want to see it removed, is that the followers understand that actions are more important than words. Whereas the detractors think words are more important than actions.

So the detractors read the words then make snap judgements before they’ve had time to assess whether the words match up to the reality of what’s going on or not. Whereas the followers read the words then observe to see how those words match up to the reality of people’s actions.

Statements like ‘trust sessions’ to the Q people aren’t accepted verbatim (maybe people with a cult like mentality would do. There aren’t any people posting on the Q thread itself though who are that naive though), a statement like ‘Trust Sessions’ just gets people honed in on the actions that Sessions is actually taking. Same with Bolton. The anons are watching them like hawks, waiting for the slightest tell to see if they’re deep state or pro-humanity. The moment one of them crosses the line and does something immoral, the anons are on it like a flash and spread the corruption through their social networks.

The spotlight of scrutiny serves the purpose of holding politicians feet to the fire, which is why Bolton was swiftly rounded on during the latest Iran fiasco, it’s about keeping their behaviour in check and preventing them from crossing the line, dragging us into WW3, as Ulli noted above.

In regards to Saudi Arabia, Trump wasn’t the one who set that track in place, that fire was already burning before he took office. He has however put out a fire with North Korea, averted war with Iran, has made a deal with Mexico to ease the fire burning at the southern border. The guy isn’t perfect and has some dubious connections to Israel for sure, and that’s an area where more research needs to be fleshed out and brought to light.

When it comes to the deep state. The Q detractors seem obsessed with lynching the puppets. The Q followers are still mapping out the underbelly of the swamp to track down where the puppet masters are really hiding. If the puppets get lynched too quickly, you’re only going to get new puppets replacing them while the real perpetrators get away to live another day.

If the anti-Q people allow their bloodlust to get in the way of the deeper investigation, the greater crimes against humanity will inevitably be allowed to go unpunished. And that’s something I’m guessing both pro and anti Q people don’t want to see happen. And is where we really should be working together, rather than trying to shut each other down.

[ulli]

Praxis, I’m trusting the plan. You do whatever you want.

[waree]

I think that everybody have their valid points. And there is no where else in the internet that we can have the intelligent arguments like this. I am trying to look at all sides because I have to admit that I don't know everything. Thanks!

[ulli]

Posted by Jayke (here)

Posted by Gracy May (here)

Posted by Jayke (here)
You do realise that war with Iran isn’t going to happen, right? When polled only 26% of the American public thought it was a good idea. There’s no appetite for more war, which is why Trump has been avoiding any major conflicts since he took office. The majority of the Anons at the heart of the Q movement are extremely anti-war and are working tirelessly to ensure war doesn’t happen. If the Q phenomenon is a psyop to do what you say, it’s a really ****ty one because it’s failing miserably.

How do the anons accept the likes of Bolten, Pompeo, Haspel and Abrams, as part the plan to drain the swamp and stop the endless wars?

i have seen their plans flop in Venezuela, theyre hopefully flopping with the painfully obvious gulf of tonkin type of false flags near Iran, but they seem to still be right on track in operations like making sure Saudi Arabia is armed to the teeth in order to devastate Yemen.

Far as i know the drone strikes are continuing unabated as well.

How exactly is this explained as some sort of peace movement? Please explain nice and simple like, like i'm a third grader because i really do, want to be able to square this circle.

Thank you in advance Jayke!

I’d say the major difference between those that follow the Q thread versus those that want to see it removed, is that the followers understand that actions are more important than words. Whereas the detractors think words are more important than actions.

So the detractors read the words then make snap judgements before they’ve had time to assess whether the words match up to the reality of what’s going on or not. Whereas the followers read the words then observe to see how those words match up to the reality of people’s actions.

Statements like ‘trust sessions’ to the Q people aren’t accepted verbatim (maybe people with a cult like mentality would do. There aren’t any people posting on the Q thread itself though who are that naive though), a statement like ‘Trust Sessions’ just gets people honed in on the actions that Sessions is actually taking. Same with Bolton. The anons are watching them like hawks, waiting for the slightest tell to see if they’re deep state or pro-humanity. The moment one of them crosses the line and does something immoral, the anons are on it like a flash and spread the corruption through their social networks.

The spotlight of scrutiny serves the purpose of holding politicians feet to the fire, which is why Bolton was swiftly rounded on during the latest Iran fiasco, it’s about keeping their behaviour in check and preventing them from crossing the line, dragging us into WW3, as Ulli noted above.

In regards to Saudi Arabia, Trump wasn’t the one who set that track in place, that fire was already burning before he took office. He has however put out a fire with North Korea, averted war with Iran, has made a deal with Mexico to ease the fire burning at the southern border. The guy isn’t perfect and has some dubious connections to Israel for sure, and that’s an area where more research needs to be fleshed out and brought to light.

When it comes to the deep state. The Q detractors seem obsessed with lynching the puppets. The Q followers are still mapping out the underbelly of the swamp to track down where the puppet masters are really hiding. If the puppets get lynched too quickly, you’re only going to get new puppets replacing them while the real perpetrators get away to live another day.

If the anti-Q people allow their bloodlust to get in the way of the deeper investigation, the greater crimes against humanity will inevitably be allowed to go unpunished. And that’s something I’m guessing both pro and anti Q people don’t want to see happen. And is where we really should be working together, rather than trying to shut each other down.

Israel is the most complicated of all, I agree. It will be dealt with in time. I have been there, twice, as a pilgrim to the Baha’i World Center, in1986 and again in May 2000. The dreams I received there were astounding, and some were prophetic. I am watching things unfolding just as I was shown. It goes definitely to the other dimension. Can’t explain more, as only those who have looked deeply into the history of the Baha’i Faith, from its birth in Iran/ Persia, to how it ended up in Israel, long before the state of Israel was founded. I have seen Muslims and Israelis live in harmony in Haifa, Israel, and know that what’s going on in Gaza is disgusting beyond words, but still if had to make a choice between the future being run by Israelis or Muslims, I would have less issues with Israelis. Although in my deepest self I know that the future world will be run by the peoples of the world, not Israelis.

[mountain_jim]

Interesting mgray. (meant to quote, hit wrong button)

This link says Mifsud was located in Rome in April...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...cated-in-rome/

The info came from a tweet from George Papadopoulos:

https://twitter.com/GeorgePapa19/sta...ted-in-rome%2F

Joseph Mifsud, the “Russian spy,” who according to Mueller started “the whole investigation,” has been outed by our Italian Friends today. He is living next to the US embassy in Rome . Can’t wait for him to reveal who his FBI handlers were.

[Praxis]

Posted by ulli (here)
Praxis, I’m trusting the plan. You do whatever you want.

Fabulous, do it in the Q thread and not here please.

Edit:

Does anyone have a source for this claim?

[Jayke]

Praxis, if you have such a keen insight as to how the deep state is composed, and who is pulling whose strings (and for what reasons), how about you start a thread of your own to draw that schematic out for us? Rather than just jumping to conclusions and complaining about how ignorant we are.

Because it is jumping to conclusions to suggest we aren't aware of Guantanamo bay or Yemen, but it falls under the maxim of "God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, Courage to change the things I can, And wisdom to know the difference."

I know I'm not in a position to do anything about Guantanamo bay or Yemen. Maybe others are in that position. If you're in that position yourself, can I ask what constructive acts your doing in your personal life to ensure the atrocities in Yemen and Guantanamo are being brought to an end?

[Praxis]

Posted by Jayke (here)
Praxis, if you have such a keen insight as to how the deep state is composed, and who is pulling whose strings (and for what reasons), how about you start a thread of your own to draw that schematic out for us? Rather than just jumping to conclusions and complaining about how ignorant we are.

Because it is jumping to conclusions to suggest we aren't aware of Guantanamo bay or Yemen, but it falls under the maxim of "God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, Courage to change the things I can, And wisdom to know the difference."

I know I'm not in a position to do anything about Guantanamo bay or Yemen. Maybe others are in that position. If you're in that position yourself, can I ask what constructive acts your doing in your personal life to ensure the atrocities in Yemen and Guantanamo are being brought to an end?

First, that is exactly what this thread is for. Looking at Q as part of the deep state which makes people passive by "trusting the plan".


You are right. I cant personally do anything about Guantanamo Bay and Yemen because im not the president except for talking about it constantly and making it a thorn in the american conscience.

But Im also not pretending the president, who can stop these things, is a super hero fighting the bad guys. That is what I do. I try to get people to see that Trump/Obama/Bush/Clinton/Bush/Reagan were all pretty much the same in terms of overall agenda. Yes there were small differences here and there but even today trump is carrying out the PNAC agenda to the T.

The North Korean difference probably has to do more with geopolitics and China. But I will applaud Trump here. His approach to NK has been the correct one so far. I will definitely give it to him on this point. It is the one time where is seems to be going against the agenda.

I dont who is the deep state, but I certainly recognize their actions. All I can do is advocate against them and make sure certain topics never leave the public discourse until they are fixed. I hate Obama for Gitmo. I hate Bush for it and now I hate Trump for it.

See my consistency here? If you dont see the connection between Gitmo and Julian ASsanges current situation then maybe that is why we are having issues. The chain that binds the first person binds us all eventually.

Just because you are alright with who is getting put in GITMO now( or if Hillary ever goes) doesnt mean you will always agree with who becomes an enemy combatant or not.

First they came for the Communist and I said nothing . . . . you get the picture

[Gracy]

Well golly, i was truly hoping to get some sort of basic tutorial on what i've been missing this whole time now with the Q material, but truthfully, all i seem to have gotten is that i'mnot well enough informed, there are secret things going on behind the scenes i'm not privy to, and be patient trust the plan.

Hey listen i'm not here to try and shut anybody down, nor am i hating on anyone or any subject, I just want someone to point to something conclusive that there really is some master 5d plan, and that what i'm seeing now is not really business as usual.

Yes Trump is doing well with North Korea I think he's got good instincts there, so why cant he do that in other places like Iran, Syria or Venezuela? From what I hear it was Trump taking the last minute advice of Tucker Carlson to stop a potentially self induced ww 3 scenario. How did "maestro" allow himself to get pigeon holed into this precarios position in the first place? Hoping to out the hidden hand or something?

Seriously someone please help square this circle for me. Nothing here is making any sense to this ole country gal. I may be part hillbilly but im not stupid lol. Draw it out for me if need be.

[waree]

It is very hard to be conclusive or to infiltrate Trump, Soros, or all the deep state group. Just as we thought we know, they will come up with the new plan and billions of dollars to invest.
Look at what billionaire like Soros came up with again. Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft. They now turn to "No More War" policy. (If you would believe it) The logo even has Q in it.... That's why good debate is important.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/...0JO/story.html

[Belle]

Posted by Gracy May (here)
Well golly, i was truly hoping to get some sort of basic tutorial on what i've been missing this whole time now with the Q material, but truthfully, all i seem to have gotten is that i'mnot well enough informed, there are secret things going on behind the scenes i'm not privy to, and be patient trust the plan.

Hey listen i'm not here to try and shut anybody down, nor am i hating on anyone or any subject, I just want someone to point to something conclusive that there really is some master 5d plan, and that what i'm seeing now is not really business as usual.

Yes Trump is doing well with North Korea I think he's got good instincts there, so why cant he do that in other places like Iran, Syria or Venezuela? From what I hear it was Trump taking the last minute advice of Tucker Carlson to stop a potentially self induced ww 3 scenario. How did "maestro" allow himself to get pigeon holed into this precarios position in the first place? Hoping to out the hidden hand or something?

Seriously someone please help square this circle for me. Nothing here is making any sense to this ole country gal. I may be part hillbilly but im not stupid lol. Draw it out for me if need be.

Gracy Mae, I feel the sincerity of your request. I understand...How can you 'trust the Plan' when you don't even know what the Plan is? But learning what the Plan is takes time...going back to the beginning, doing your own research, and deciding for yourself if the Q posts even hold any value for you, or not.

I would like nothing more than to spell out the Q material in '50 words or less', but that is extremely difficult, if not impossible, to do. The amount of material alone can be overwhelming.

I've paid attention to the Q drops from the very beginning and spent countless hours doing research on the material presented. It took time to understand/figure out some of what was said...ie. 'future proves past'. The material went from being puzzling to being a puzzle to be solved.

The journey has been long, but rewarding as one by one Q's posts turned out to be true...at least according to my research (think NXIVM, for example). Others 'mileage may vary'.

That is the point of the Q thread here on PA...to share questions and conclusions and proofs and different viewpoints. I agree with some...disagree with others, while doing my own research and thinking for myself.

Hopefully, someone will step forward with a summation that covers all the bases in a step by step fashion that makes sense to you. *fingers crossed*



edited to add: I'll try to see if anyone else has a summation they've put online. It may take some time to search, but I'll do what I can to try to help.

[Jayke]

Posted by Gracy May (here)
Well golly, i was truly hoping to get some sort of basic tutorial on what i've been missing this whole time now with the Q material, but truthfully, all i seem to have gotten is that i'mnot well enough informed, there are secret things going on behind the scenes i'm not privy to, and be patient trust the plan.

Hey listen i'm not here to try and shut anybody down, nor am i hating on anyone or any subject, I just want someone to point to something conclusive that there really is some master 5d plan, and that what i'm seeing now is not really business as usual.

Yes Trump is doing well with North Korea I think he's got good instincts there, so why cant he do that in other places like Iran, Syria or Venezuela? From what I hear it was Trump taking the last minute advice of Tucker Carlson to stop a potentially self induced ww 3 scenario. How did "maestro" allow himself to get pigeon holed into this precarios position in the first place? Hoping to out the hidden hand or something?

Seriously someone please help square this circle for me. Nothing here is making any sense to this ole country gal. I may be part hillbilly but im not stupid lol. Draw it out for me if need be.

Can you handle OODA loops, Sun Tzu and Systems theory?

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I really don’t know what the overall plan is for the Q psyop, Gracy, which is why I’m still analysing the various angles to find out. I could only answer how the Anons are responding to the movement and how they collaborate together to ensure we make the most of this opportunity to expose as many swamp critters as we can while the spotlight of public consciousness is still on it.

[Belle]

Thanks for trying, Jayke.

Even I don't understand what you posted! OODA Loop? Complex systems? Bah! That stuff would scare me away. I'm from the school of KISS (keep it simple stupid). There's got to be an easier way to do this.

Hahahaha!

I really don’t know what the overall plan is for the Q psyop, Gracy, which is why I’m still analysing the various angles to find out. I could only answer how the Anons are responding to the movement and how they collaborate together to ensure we make the most of this opportunity to expose as many swamp critters as we can while the spotlight of public consciousness is still on it.

Now that makes more sense! Sorry I missed it the first time.

[KiwiElf]

The purpose of Q (K.I.S.S. Vsn) - click to enlarge

[res cogitans]

Understanding complex systems:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...0510988190039X

Ultimate guude to ooda loops:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/taylorp...ooda-loop/amp/

Someone else Might find some better sources, including youtube to explain these theories. Definitely good material to learn, even if not applied to this topic.

[Belle]

Good find, KiwiElf. It just figures I haven't visited 8chan yet today when this was posted.

And thanks for posting it on the other thread. Hopefully, it will help Gracy Mae understand a little better.

[Jayke]

Posted by janus (here)
Thanks for trying, Jayke.

Even I don't understand what you posted! OODA Loop? Complex systems? Bah! That stuff would scare me away. I'm from the school of KISS (keep it simple stupid). There's got to be an easier way to do this.

Hahahaha!

I really don’t know what the overall plan is for the Q psyop, Gracy, which is why I’m still analysing the various angles to find out. I could only answer how the Anons are responding to the movement and how they collaborate together to ensure we make the most of this opportunity to expose as many swamp critters as we can while the spotlight of public consciousness is still on it.

Now that makes more sense! Sorry I missed it the first time.

I hadn’t heard of OODA loops till recently, a pentagon staffer and intelligence analyst brought it up on her twitter feed after Trumps ‘head fake’ with Iran.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MikayesFiona

There is the TOTE loop in psychology though that I’m well versed in, which seems to apply the same basic principles it seems.



Sun Tzu I know pretty well. Systems theory and organisational psychology can get very complicated very quick. The point is, to people that scoff at the idea of 4D chess — OODA loops, Sun Tzu style principles and systems theory are the basic entry point to learning about complicated systems. If these images are daunting, they may want to consider how much more advanced the various NSA behaviour modelling programs might be. And whether Trump or Q has access to these organisational strategies or not.