QAnon - An Opposing Viewpoint - LARP, Psyop, Cult or Something Even More Sinister?

[Andrew_K]

Update via Adam Gingrich, president of MAGA Coalition:

JohnWickofPolitics @Gingrich_of_PA
On March 25-26th, #QAnon chose to libel the MAGA Coalition by asserting demonstrably false allegations of fraud. #Q chose unwisely. Now the subpoena power of the US Federal court system will be used to identify the perpetrators. #SuingQanon

MAGA Coalition to Sue QAnon in Multiple Jurisdictions

You can read about the potential identity of the Q-poster who defamed MAGA Coalition here:

Inside the feud between the internet’s biggest Q supporter and a pro-MAGA PAC

Hopefully this lawsuit marks the end of the Q LARP and the beginning of Q-gate, in which Q followers learn that they have been strung along by a handful of grifters posing as researchers. They will have a rude awakening when they realize how misled they were by the people they trusted the most. Many will wake up, yet others will remain in the Qult, desperately clinging to the notion that the grifters identified as the 8chan LARPers were nothing but patsies put in place so that the "white hats" can continue operating out of sight.

Internet illiteracy plays a major part in people's tendency to believe in fake news, which is why you don’t see many millennials following Q and treating the chans as the last bastion of free speech on the internet. The chans are known exclusively for their trolls and for their depravity.

[Kalamos]

QAnon and the Emergence of the Unreal

Good article. I like the last two paragraphs:

Is Q a dissident intelligent agent in the President’s inner circle? A team of agents? Or perhaps President Trump himself? Is he (or she or they) a profit-making operation put together by opportunistic 4Chan trolls? A giant prank that has grown wildly out of control? A real-life role play, or LARP, as some QAnons like to describe it? Is Q a Psyops effort, designed to keep up the spirit of Trump’s most ardent supporters as the President struggles to drain the swamp as he promised them he would do? Is Q an international disinformation operation designed to further pull apart the left and the right much as the Internet Research Agency sought to pull apart Black Lives Matter or the LGBTQ community?

The answer: Q is all of this and more. All of this for the simple reason that somewhere, someone believes this interpretation of Q, and is working to impose that reality on the rest of us. This war between realities is the landscape we find ourselves collectively navigating. It is our task to understand how we act as individuals and citizens in a world where the emergent mode of discourse is not to persuade someone of your interpretation of the facts, but to recruit them to your own reality. Our ultimate challenge is not only to navigate this space but, at best, to heal and transform it.

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And a short response from some other fellow reads:

"Apophenia" refers to the idea of making connections between previously unconnected ideas. Unlike the concept of learning, apophenia suggests a cognitive disorder because the connections made are not real. They are imaginary. People see patterns that don't exist and devise elaborate internally coherent explanations for non-sensical notions. Like the cognitive process of apophenia, the social mechanisms of conspiratorial thinking are rooted in reality. It's the pattern that's non-existant. But the pattern gets written into collective consciousness through repetition. The more that it is repeated, the more people feel the need to self-investigate. And once you are looking for patterns, it's not hard for the collective hive mind to think that they exist. While schizophrenia may be an individual cogntitive disorder, networks of people can also produce collective delusions with devastating effects.

The power of QAnon is not in its factual evidence, but in participants' desperate desire to find meaning and power in society. While teenagers are embracing Escape Rooms to feel the rush of piecing together clues, a subset of adults are scouring social media to build a coherent framework around contemporary politics that connects the dots in a fashion that is legible to them. From the outside, it looks completely unreal, but on the inside, it feels quite real. This is not because any single piece of information is real, but because the process of doubt and discovery is invigorating. It feels like gambling based on lucky numbers or going all-in on a grand theory of life, the universe, and everything.

There is little doubt that many powerful interests benefit from unreality, conspiracy, and apophenia. But we also have to recognize that those who are caught up in unreality also benefit. Some find meaning and purpose. Many find community. As we seek to combat the problematic outcomes of unreality, we must also wrestle with how to replace the personal and social benefits that participants gain. After all, history is replete with mystical beliefs.

[waves]

Posted by Andrew_K (here)
Update via Adam Gingrich, president of MAGA Coalition:

JohnWickofPolitics @Gingrich_of_PA
On March 25-26th, #QAnon chose to libel the MAGA Coalition by asserting demonstrably false allegations of fraud. #Q chose unwisely. Now the subpoena power of the US Federal court system will be used to identify the perpetrators. #SuingQanon

MAGA Coalition to Sue QAnon in Multiple Jurisdictions

You can read about the potential identity of the Q-poster who defamed MAGA Coalition here:

Inside the feud between the internet’s biggest Q supporter and a pro-MAGA PAC

Hopefully this lawsuit marks the end of the Q LARP and the beginning of Q-gate, in which Q followers learn that they have been strung along by a handful of grifters posing as researchers. They will have a rude awakening when they realize how misled they were by the people they trusted the most. Many will wake up, yet others will remain in the Qult, desperately clinging to the notion that the grifters identified as the 8chan LARPers were nothing but patsies put in place so that the "white hats" can continue operating out of sight.

Internet illiteracy plays a major part in people's tendency to believe in fake news, which is why you don’t see many millennials following Q and treating the chans as the last bastion of free speech on the internet. The chans are known exclusively for their trolls and for their depravity.

I posted this very telling event on April 4 immediately after it happened and first put it on the pro-Q thread. Preying Medic's childish pettiness made for a dead giveaway of him as at least one of the people posting as/controlling Q but Paul the gatekeeper kicked my post off that thread and put it on this one since I guess it had no relevance there whatsoever: Link to Post #367

Looks like both those videos are now missing, but it was about how Adam Gingrich/MAGA Coalition was calling out Preying Medic.... and magically 'Q' suddenly called out MAGA coalition right when Preying could use it. Does anyone know how many 'dreams' Preying Medic also had of Jesus, Trump or Cleopatra confirming to him that Q of course was directed by God to take a stand on his behalf against the evil Adam Gingrich? I think I remember some references like that.


added: even 'anonymous' distancing itself and saying enough is enough...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ncLbyQIUi4g

[AutumnW]

Here's a little thought experiment. Nobody reading this has to agree or disagree, it's just a thought I had last night.

What if there is a strong Christian fundamentalist contingent within the U.S military who wants to implement martial law at some point. Unfortunately for them they are up against a heavily armed population increasingly hostile to authority.

Say you are a general, one of a few who has tasked military intelligence to help change up the dynamics to soften the ground beforehand. How does military intelligence respond? You want the armed populace to believe that the soldiers marching down their streets are there to liberate children and round up pedophiles. That would work. Who'd interfere with that programme....if they believed that was the case.

Those who have never placed much stock in atrocity propaganda, can see through it...but they aren't a problem because most of them don't have guns!

Of course I think there is a possibility that this is actually happening. And if it is, it's a beautiful thing, from a trickster perspective. It is SO easy to dupe people.

[AutumnW]

The hard right is hyper focused on atrocities against children. I am sure this has become a Qanon focus as well. It is also part of a well established pattern of atrocity propaganda. Doesn't mean kids aren't being abused somewhere at any given time, but it is SO ramped up by the hard right and emerging neo-Nazi militarists and their campaigns I have to wonder if it is part of the program.

"Lurid tales purporting to unveil Jewish atrocities against Christians were widespread during the Middle Ages.[17] The charge against Jews of kidnapping and murdering Christian children to consume their blood during Passover became known as blood libel.[1"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrocity_propaganda

[Kalamos]

Posted by AutumnW (here)
The hard right is hyper focused on atrocities against children. I am sure this has become a Qanon focus as well. It is also part of a well established pattern of atrocity propaganda. Doesn't mean kids aren't being abused somewhere at any given time, but it is SO ramped up by the hard right and emerging neo-Nazi militarists and their campaigns I have to wonder if it is part of the program.

"Lurid tales purporting to unveil Jewish atrocities against Christians were widespread during the Middle Ages.[17] The charge against Jews of kidnapping and murdering Christian children to consume their blood during Passover became known as blood libel.[1"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrocity_propaganda

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I don't believe most of the claims of satanic ritual child abuse and pedophilia that proliferates the alternative media world. I believe it's literally hysteria and people with false memories most often obtained through hypnosis. I know pedophilia happens (Catholic Church, Epstein, etc), but I seriously doubt the claims Qanon makes about so many high ranking Democrats and other big names being involved.

Why Are Right-Wing Conspiracies so Obsessed With Pedophilia?

snip:

The story is the same, from the day-care panics to QAnon: It’s not really about the kids. It’s about fears of a changing social order.

snip:

The McMartin preschool scandal of the 1980s was a sort of analog version of the more recent Pizzagate, part of a lurid and misbegotten moral panic about subterranean child abuse. Even though the supposed crimes unfolded thousands of miles and several decades apart, under very different circumstances, the two conspiracy theories share the same rough contours. The McMartin saga, which began in 1983 with accusations made by one boy’s mother, came to encompass fantastical claims about a massive pedophile ring lurking beneath a preschool in Manhattan Beach, California. Pizza­gate was concocted during the 2016 presidential campaign and alleged that prominent figures in the Democratic Party were running a child sex ring in tunnels beneath the Comet Ping Pong pizzeria in a residential Washington, DC, neighborhood. Both spun off into new theories: Amid a full-on national hysteria, McMartin spawned a series of day-care conspiracies, while Pizzagate has led to QAnon, an even wilder conspiracy theory that postulates that President Donald Trump is on the verge of arresting a throng of liberal elites for facilitating and participating in a sprawling child sex ring. Both drew on natural fears about child safety and supercharged them into national phenomena with real-world ramifications. Both of course were fictions.

Read the whole article here

[Matthew]

Q does become a 5th column in how a few lies contaminate the landscape of truth, but the work of Jon Wedger, which has nothing to do with Q, suggests there is a 'pretend it's not there' problem with child abuse. So those people that said Q was counter-productive, this is where they might have a point

[Ratszinger]

Posted by AutumnW (here)
The hard right is hyper focused on atrocities against children. I am sure this has become a Qanon focus as well. It is also part of a well established pattern of atrocity propaganda. Doesn't mean kids aren't being abused somewhere at any given time, but it is SO ramped up by the hard right and emerging neo-Nazi militarists and their campaigns I have to wonder if it is part of the program.

"Lurid tales purporting to unveil Jewish atrocities against Christians were widespread during the Middle Ages.[17] The charge against Jews of kidnapping and murdering Christian children to consume their blood during Passover became known as blood libel.[1"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrocity_propaganda

When have NAZIS been hard right? Socialistic radical left wing is NAZI not right. I think you have it twisted. Brown shirts are NAZI! Where are your eyes?

[Jayke]

Q is all about saving the children. Not just the children being physically abused, but also the ones being intellectually indoctrinated into radical Marxist ideology. ‘Thinking logically’ is the salve that ends the corrosive madness that threatens classical western traditions and values.

[mountain_jim]

Posted by AutumnW (here)
Here's a little thought experiment. Nobody reading this has to agree or disagree, it's just a thought I had last night.

What if there is a strong Christian fundamentalist contingent within the U.S military who wants to implement martial law at some point. Unfortunately for them they are up against a heavily armed population increasingly hostile to authority.

Say you are a general, one of a few who has tasked military intelligence to help change up the dynamics to soften the ground beforehand. How does military intelligence respond? You want the armed populace to believe that the soldiers marching down their streets are there to liberate children and round up pedophiles. That would work. Who'd interfere with that programme....if they believed that was the case.

Those who have never placed much stock in atrocity propaganda, can see through it...but they aren't a problem because most of them don't have guns!

Of course I think there is a possibility that this is actually happening. And if it is, it's a beautiful thing, from a trickster perspective. It is SO easy to dupe people.

As someone who finds value and significance in the Q-anon information exposing process, I agree this is a valid concern and one I share in that it is one possible outcome.

Once I determined this was not all a hoax or a larp, but a process to bypass the MSM used by apparent military intelligence insiders, then the end-game result of all this could go several ways, not all of them good.

There are stories out there that indicate the 'white hats' were considering a military coup, and decided to work within the system (for the most part, I believe unconstitutional NSA info gathering is used also) to effect change.

The idea of military trials for civilians is a valid concern also, and I do not get warm feelings over the idea that NSA spying on all is a main tool to help effect these changes.

If the process never leads to exposing the truth about 9/11 then it will not have succeeded, in my view.

It's very frustrating to know so much that is MSM reported and maintained to keep the populace in check is controlled lies, and big tech is controlling search results as well.

As I discussed with Paul, waking up folks to the 'hidden hands' in our world leadership and MSM lies is a process that can not be firewalled away from awakening to 9/11 truths as well, in my hoped-for view.

With that said, all of the above is not a reason to ignore this psyop or denigrate those who share these concerns who are following it, as that point of view needs to be included for consideration in the information evaluation process while it is ongoing.

The level of systemic corruption in the US deep state and globalist wealth centers is so great, growing steadily since at least the creation of the CIA and the removal of JFK, that I sense that some form of major change was/is needed, and have hopes that this process is leading to that in a positive way.

Time will tell.

[AutumnW]

Wrong Ratzinger. Nazis were fascists. Hard right. They were opposed to the left of their day, actual Communists.

[AutumnW]

Posted by mountain_jim (here)

Posted by AutumnW (here)
Here's a little thought experiment. Nobody reading this has to agree or disagree, it's just a thought I had last night.

What if there is a strong Christian fundamentalist contingent within the U.S military who wants to implement martial law at some point. Unfortunately for them they are up against a heavily armed population increasingly hostile to authority.

Say you are a general, one of a few who has tasked military intelligence to help change up the dynamics to soften the ground beforehand. How does military intelligence respond? You want the armed populace to believe that the soldiers marching down their streets are there to liberate children and round up pedophiles. That would work. Who'd interfere with that programme....if they believed that was the case.

Those who have never placed much stock in atrocity propaganda, can see through it...but they aren't a problem because most of them don't have guns!

Of course I think there is a possibility that this is actually happening. And if it is, it's a beautiful thing, from a trickster perspective. It is SO easy to dupe people.

As someone who finds value and significance in the Q-anon information exposing process, I agree this is a valid concern and one I share in that it is one possible outcome.

Once I determined this was not all a hoax or a larp, but a process to bypass the MSM used by apparent military intelligence insiders, then the end-game result of all this could go several ways, not all of them good.

There are stories out there that indicate the 'white hats' were considering a military coup, and decided to work within the system (for the most part, I believe unconstitutional NSA info gathering is used also) to effect change.

The idea of military trials for civilians is a valid concern also, and I do not get warm feelings over the idea that NSA spying on all is a main tool to help effect these changes.

If the process never leads to exposing the truth about 9/11 then it will not have succeeded, in my view.

It's very frustrating to know so much that is MSM reported and maintained to keep the populace in check is controlled lies, and big tech is controlling search results as well.

As I discussed with Paul, waking up folks to the 'hidden hands' in our world leadership and MSM lies is a process that can not be firewalled away from awakening to 9/11 truths as well, in my hoped-for view.

With that said, all of the above is not a reason to ignore this psyop or denigrate those who share these concerns who are following it, as that point of view needs to be included for consideration in the information evaluation process while it is ongoing.

The level of systemic corruption in the US deep state and globalist wealth centers is so great, growing steadily since at least the creation of the CIA and the removal of JFK, that I sense that some form of major change was/is needed, and have hopes that this process is leading to that in a positive way.

Time will tell.

That is a very balanced response. Thank you. If others involved with Q kept open minds, understanding that Q might just be part of the problem and not a solution, it would help. They don't have to believe it, just keep that idea on the back burner!

[AutumnW]

Posted by YoYoYo (here)
Q does become a 5th column in how a few lies contaminate the landscape of truth, but the work of Jon Wedger, which has nothing to do with Q, suggests there is a 'pretend it's not there' problem with child abuse. So those people that said Q was counter-productive, this is where they might have a point

Absolutely. I was reading Levenda's books over 20 years ago. I think there are pedophiles out there and the problems do go right to the top. The criminal justice systems are likely infiltrated, to some degree. The problem with any phenomenon that operates in the shadows is just that, it is shadowy and hard to make out clear lines of responsibility and guilt. Shadowy realms are where all kinds of crap takes place, including major myth making too.

If somebody is inferring they know where all the bodies are buried, for eg, I want to know how they know and if they are involved, lying to me, etc... I am sure as heck not going to follow them blindly. Metaphorically speaking, I don't want to be the little kid who climbs into a complete stranger's car just because they promise to take me to the circus.

[Ratszinger]

Posted by AutumnW (here)
Wrong Ratzinger. Nazis were fascists. Hard right. They were opposed to the left of their day, actual Communists.

No you are wrong. Even Hitler said for example, in a 1927 speech, “We are socialists. We are the enemies of today’s capitalist system of exploitation … and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions.” I started to add more but will just say Hitler condemned Jews also, and the right you accuse of being NAZIs is all for Israel. So they couldn't be NAZI's of the Jews would be avoiding them.

[AutumnW]

Posted by Kalamos (here)

Posted by AutumnW (here)
The hard right is hyper focused on atrocities against children. I am sure this has become a Qanon focus as well. It is also part of a well established pattern of atrocity propaganda. Doesn't mean kids aren't being abused somewhere at any given time, but it is SO ramped up by the hard right and emerging neo-Nazi militarists and their campaigns I have to wonder if it is part of the program.

"Lurid tales purporting to unveil Jewish atrocities against Christians were widespread during the Middle Ages.[17] The charge against Jews of kidnapping and murdering Christian children to consume their blood during Passover became known as blood libel.[1"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrocity_propaganda

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I don't buy most of the hysterical claims of satanic ritual child abuse and pedophilia that proliferates the alternative media world. I believe it's literally hysteria and people with false memories most often obtained through hypnosis. I know pedophilia happens (Catholic Church, Epstein, etc), but I seriously doubt the claims Qanon makes about so many high ranking Democrats and other big names being involved.

Why Are Right-Wing Conspiracies so Obsessed With Pedophilia?

snip:

The story is the same, from the day-care panics to QAnon: It’s not really about the kids. It’s about fears of a changing social order.

snip:

The McMartin preschool scandal of the 1980s was a sort of analog version of the more recent Pizzagate, part of a lurid and misbegotten moral panic about subterranean child abuse. Even though the supposed crimes unfolded thousands of miles and several decades apart, under very different circumstances, the two conspiracy theories share the same rough contours. The McMartin saga, which began in 1983 with accusations made by one boy’s mother, came to encompass fantastical claims about a massive pedophile ring lurking beneath a preschool in Manhattan Beach, California. Pizza­gate was concocted during the 2016 presidential campaign and alleged that prominent figures in the Democratic Party were running a child sex ring in tunnels beneath the Comet Ping Pong pizzeria in a residential Washington, DC, neighborhood. Both spun off into new theories: Amid a full-on national hysteria, McMartin spawned a series of day-care conspiracies, while Pizzagate has led to QAnon, an even wilder conspiracy theory that postulates that President Donald Trump is on the verge of arresting a throng of liberal elites for facilitating and participating in a sprawling child sex ring. Both drew on natural fears about child safety and supercharged them into national phenomena with real-world ramifications. Both of course were fictions.

Read the whole article here

Very interesting. Thank you! I don't totally agree with the slant, filtered a little too much through the gender issues lens, but the author makes several good points in the article. We are hysterically concerned about the safety of children these days---to the point we are probably doing them a disservice by keeping them bubble wrapped in a way. They need to get out and be more free range.

There were a few different forces at play in the 70's surrounding the McMartin preschool fiasco that contributed to the hysteria. One of those was the centuries long dismissal of childhood revelation of sexual abuse. And it was mothers who ignored or covered up what their own children were telling them.

So by the time the 70's rolled around and women had to work and leave their kids in poorly run, under regulated day care, it created a perfect storm. Over compensation by mothers who may have been ignored by their own mothers likely played a key role.

[AutumnW]

Posted by Ratszinger (here)

Posted by AutumnW (here)
Wrong Ratzinger. Nazis were fascists. Hard right. They were opposed to the left of their day, actual Communists.

No you are wrong. Even Hitler said for example, in a 1927 speech, “We are socialists. We are the enemies of today’s capitalist system of exploitation … and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions.” I started to add more but will just say Hitler condemned Jews also, and the right you accuse of being NAZIs is all for Israel. So they couldn't be NAZI's of the Jews would be avoiding them.

Hitler was fibbing. He was a fascist. Fascists wish to control the means of production which is what happened under Hitler. War economies tend to be that way. That is what is most concerning about the U.S. "Private" contractors like Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics are so much a part of the fabric of government they have become indistinguishable. But, i won't lecture you. You understand all this. He mentions that he wishes to destroy capitalism. Focus on that. It's the ultimate goal of a corporatocracy composed of oligopolies which is by no means, of the left.

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Posted by Ratszinger (here)

Posted by AutumnW (here)
Wrong Ratzinger. Nazis were fascists. Hard right. They were opposed to the left of their day, actual Communists.

No you are wrong. Even Hitler said for example, in a 1927 speech, “We are socialists. We are the enemies of today’s capitalist system of exploitation … and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions.” I started to add more but will just say Hitler condemned Jews also, and the right you accuse of being NAZIs is all for Israel. So they couldn't be NAZI's of the Jews would be avoiding them.

And may I add preemptively...."I know you are, but what am I?"

[Ratszinger]

I suppose Hitler was fibbing about killing off Jews too then? You are dead wrong trying to make history fit your narrative. The facts speak for themselves. IF Trump was a NAZI the PM of Israel wouldn't even give him the time of day yet he praises Trump at every turn unlike he did for ??? Barrack Obama!

[AutumnW]

Posted by Ratszinger (here)
I suppose Hitler was fibbing about killing off Jews too then? You are dead wrong trying to make history fit your narrative. The facts speak for themselves. IF Trump was a NAZI the PM of Israel wouldn't even give him the time of day yet he praises Trump at every turn unlike he did for ??? Barrack Obama!

Netanyahoo has strong hard right tendencies so there is no incompatability there. Gaza is an open air concentration camp. Check it out.

[AutumnW]

"'Nazi' is the short name. The full name for the 'Nazi' party was the "National Socialist German Workers' Party" ("Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei" in German).

The fact that the far-right party contained 'socialist' in the name was a rebranding gambit to draw workers away from communism and into populist nationalism.

Despite this, the populist nationalists that support the likes of Donald Trump, regularly take the oportunity to remind modern day liberal or left-leaning critics of white-supremacists and neo-nazis that 'Socialism' was included in the Nazi party name.

Hitler's party positioned as a left-wing organisation based on his rhetoric, rather than his actions, espoused in the 1920s and 1930s to disenfranchised workers frustrated with what they perceived as a two-tier society.

Neither left or right wing want to be known as the side of the political spectrum that Hitler was on, and both sides would argue he was on the other, politically speaking.

One such incident occurred recently on Twitter."

https://www.indy100.com/article/nazi...chbery-7900001

[Jayke]

Mike Stuchberry is a self confessed history “writer”, AutumnW, notice they don’t label him “teacher”. He’s a professional Antifa troll on twitter with dubious connections to the George Soros funded Hope not Hate propoganda organisation.

Mike Stuchberry couldn’t school a turnip.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=uauXGVyvMt0

Whereas Joseph Farrell is the one who first asserted to me that the Nazis were a left-wing organisation. Feel free to email him yourself. He’s brought it up several times in his members only vidchats.