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    How Many Black Lives Has ANTIFA Destroyed So Far?
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    Default Re: The death of George Floyd in police hands, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020

    A caveat here. There are many wonderful human beings in the military who joined for all the right reasons. This isn't about them. It is about a faction. Please understand that.

    The protesters are earnest, sincere for the most part and have very legitimate beefs. There are some outsiders stirring things up, for sure. I would suspect that those stirring up the most, who might have a stealth agenda are Christian Dominionist factions of military intelligence.

    Trump ordered police to shoot rubber bullets into a peaceful crowd because he wanted to cross that street to stand at the steps of a Christian church, clutching his bible. Symbolic, and manipulative. Talk about sending a signal! Seems he is pandering to the worst elements of society.

    As time progresses and the military firmly entrenches their presence on the streets, you may understand. I predicted this from before Trump was inaugurated. (Not the epidemic and subsequent protests, but overt military takeover and transition to a modern theocratic state...yes.)

    If you get Netflix, watch "the Family" It will give some background.

    I could be dead wrong. It's intuitive and intuition can be wrong--but I sense this is what is going on.
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    An hour ago I wrote a 1,000 word post, all about the Fourth Turning and the global loss of trust in authority.
    I've been listening to astrologers who talk about cycles of change, and that we are in one now, as in the past, such as on 9/11. What I don't get about these cycles of change is that nearly all the events seem to have been orchestrated by conspirators. The international nature of these police protests, along with pallets of bricks pre-delivered to the sites, certainly points that way. So whatever Act 3 is, you can bet it will be orchestrated. And have nothing to do with natural cycles.

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    Default Re: The death of George Floyd in police hands, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020

    Maybe Act 2 is about not letting a good crisis go to waste. And after the protests start they can be engineered by very obvious forces to get worse. Calling in the military, getting tough etc...could be arranged in a spontaneous fashion, to support a pre-planned agenda of militarization.

    So everybody pray. Because it could get very tough indeed, for all of us, including here in Canada. We don't even qualify as a mouse that roars.

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    Default Re: The death of George Floyd in police hands, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    An hour ago I wrote a 1,000 word post, all about the Fourth Turning and the global loss of trust in authority.

    And also the loss of trust in just about everything else, including science, information of every kind, any government propaganda, and even in one another.

    I saved it as a draft. I'm not ready to post that yet. But here's the briefest summary:

    [/LIST]
    I look forward to reading your post about the Fourth Turning Bill.
    I don't think the world has ever been in a more dysfunctional state in its entire history than now.

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    Default Re: The death of George Floyd in police hands, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020

    Natural cycles have everything to do with why and how human events are orchestrated, imho....
    Quote Posted by TomKat (here)
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    An hour ago I wrote a 1,000 word post, all about the Fourth Turning and the global loss of trust in authority.
    I've been listening to astrologers who talk about cycles of change, and that we are in one now, as in the past, such as on 9/11. What I don't get about these cycles of change is that nearly all the events seem to have been orchestrated by conspirators. The international nature of these police protests, along with pallets of bricks pre-delivered to the sites, certainly points that way. So whatever Act 3 is, you can bet it will be orchestrated. And have nothing to do with natural cycles.
    Each breath a gift...
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    Default Re: The death of George Floyd in police hands, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020

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    Natural cycles have everything to do with why and how human events are orchestrated, imho....
    Quote Posted by TomKat (here)
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    An hour ago I wrote a 1,000 word post, all about the Fourth Turning and the global loss of trust in authority.
    I've been listening to astrologers who talk about cycles of change, and that we are in one now, as in the past, such as on 9/11. What I don't get about these cycles of change is that nearly all the events seem to have been orchestrated by conspirators. The international nature of these police protests, along with pallets of bricks pre-delivered to the sites, certainly points that way. So whatever Act 3 is, you can bet it will be orchestrated. And have nothing to do with natural cycles.
    I think natural cycles give an extra push, the inclination to act (or not to act). People who are knowledgeable about how these cycles work can use them to help further their goals, whether they be good or bad, personal or global.

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    Default Re: The death of George Floyd in police hands, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020

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    b) in my understanding is that before talking to the police, the clerk already went outside and asked for the cigarettes. So there is no question where Floyd was. The quick police dash was probably something like--"Did you make the call?"...."Yeah, he's still over there".
    OK I just watched the video where the clerks go outside to see Floyd in his car.
    How did the clerks know exactly where to go? Probably had cameras installed outside the store?


    I'm watching the videos again and it's ALL WRONG!

    You mean I can call up the police from my store and tell them someone has just tried to pass off counterfeit bills and they will come down a few minutes later, arrest, and throw the person into their squad car and haul them off to the police station?

    That's it!

    Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

    I said this before, they (the police and the store staff) had Floyd's plate number. Was Floyd threatening anyone? Was anyone's safety in jeopardy?

    Was Floyd proven to be guilty of anything?

    To handle/treat someone the way Floyd was treated on an accusation and nothing more is not the way justice system was designed to work, is it?

    Or maybe the law works differently in the U.S., against black people?
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    Default Re: The death of George Floyd in police hands, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020

    A few queries:

    What were George Floyd's prior criminal convictions?
    Also, does it not make historic sense that riots and mayhem will only usher in greater force in terms of a military/police state(s)?
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    • After the lockdowns, the unemployment, the loss of income, the manipulation from every authority, and maybe the start of another great depression, this is the perfect storm. It's a huge coiled spring coming right out of its box. Using force to try to stop that will just cause the box to explode. But palliative words may not work, either.
    • Only spiritual actions have a chance of turning this around. Nothing else.

    It is a bit weird to me that some white people would make themselves a proxy apology for the racism of other white people.

    You know, we've changed the name of waitresses into servers, and, this does not sound far off from servants. Well, there was a time when "service" was a type of career path and so if your job was basically a waitress, if you did it, room and board were provided you. Butler, cook, etc., just live there.

    Compare that to the situation of what we call a server today who always teeters on the brink of homelessness.

    The old slavery was never exactly a racial issue. Ask the Irish. And, similarly, slavery to a good master isn't necessarily all that bad. It is more like a servant. So part of my family is from the south and yes they owned slaves. And so during the Jim Crow era, after slavery is illegal, then I guess it is not too hard to see lynchings and other types of injustice which in most cases are pretty obviously racist. And so rather than "going through all that", some of the former slaves just stayed where they were and lived more like a servant. Even up to my grandmother's time, 1920s-30s, they still lived there, and the kids went to school and they got medical care when needed. So really, during the whole time of settlement, regardless of their legal status as slave or free, these black folks had pretty much the same life, since originally they were not overworked or abused and were more or less like servants, and, afterwards, they were perhaps wise not to go off and risk it in Chicago or something.

    Servants are really not any sign of the upper class, the other side of my family had Mexican live-in servants probably until the 1950s, working class.

    I guess it is not like that any more, I cannot remember seeing a job offer that said "you get a place to live". But I don't find any racism in that stuff since it was about as friendly and fair as it could be.

    Housing is a problem because real estate is a scam and on that note it would be viable to support a form of Shariah. We support moderate Islamist rebels, right? National pasttime. Senile McCain, I'd like to swipe a few hundred million bucks from your grave in order to buy command of one of your units. We will be changing almost everything about it, except for the fact that it forbids mortgage. Then Thomas Jefferson will actually come to life as his own memorial, trash the Oval Office, and have children with Lincoln's ghost wife. Then no one will make you pay for a house and then kick you out.

    That is why all we have is a storm of force against force, which will more or less either re-install the president or regime change him. The missing political issue is like the missing Covid plague. A spiritual action would galvanize it, like "End Vietnam" is a tangible kind of protest where I can decide if either it's stupid, or maybe I want to roll some cars. This currently lacks any revolutionary aspect and is just what the French called The Terror, and that is even more difficult because its leader Robespierre said something even worse was going to erupt and sweep away his personal death machine.

    Look in the stock markets at security companies like Silvercorp or maybe a more successful one, such as Wackenhut, which is like General MacArthur's left shoe.

    I have however been told that in the latest generation or i. e. persons born in the 2000s tend to think of themselves as a Jerk Generation of almost complete nihilism without any concern if they kill someone or if someone kills them, no other acts having any more moral value. In my experience there are tough people who say "I'll kill you if..." but hardly any that just refuse value in life altogether. I don't know if this is a factor. I do not know or trust anyone so far. The public is way more dangerous than the police. There are a great deal of our laws that actually need to be changed, and I am afraid they are making a mess by wasting energy with no resolution. It is like saying War on Terror or War on Drugs, just jingoism, it is an abstract that cannot be pinned down to anything realistic.

    In D. C.:

    “Last night pushed me way over the edge,” said Jessica DeMaio, 40, of Washington, who attended a Floyd protest Tuesday for the first time. “Being here is better than being at home feeling helpless."

    Ok but...I don't really get anything from that.

    The Presdient:

    “D.C. had no problems last night. Many arrests. Great job done by all. Overwhelming force. Domination,”

    Doing that to "your own people" is "no problem"? What a double speak. He doesn't even know he's doing it. Shoot down any boats in the Potomac.

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    Default Re: The death of George Floyd in police hands, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020

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    You mean I can call up the police from my store and tell them someone has just tried to pass off counterfeit bills and they will come down a few minutes later, arrest, and throw the person into their squad car and haul them off to the police station?
    If there is a warrant against the person, they cuff and stuff them.

    Otherwise there is usually a type of "detention" period when the cops are checking out your statement and they also talk to the person you are accusing.

    Counterfeit cash is a bit different than most things. I have seen several specimens of it, but, not by receiving it, they were things that had been accepted and discovered later. Not a minute later by an ex-employee saying "the ink is running". None of the notes I have seen looked anything like wet ink sloshed around. I know that most places these days are just going to rely on a "counterfeit pen", but, it is not something I personally trust, since all my observations were done using the senses. And so all I can guess is if the pen goes off, it is "store policy to call the police". They didn't mention a pen, just their policy.

    I have no experience busting someone over a bill, but, since there are other things that can be counterfeited, and other illegal things a person can do, yes, the police can be there in five minutes, take a brief statement from me and haul someone away who was pretty happy until a few minutes ago. In almost any kind of business, if you call in an irate customer, the police almost always side with the business and take someone away.

    They are not guilty until proven so in court, same as any crime. And so with cash, you actually have multiple jurisdictions. So if in Texas, it is a class C misdemeanor, that is how they will treat it, and it is up to them whether they want to report it as a federal crime. They do not have to enforce anything federal. So if you have a $20 they class C you, and if you have a million, maybe they call the feds. I don't know. Since most counterfeit cash is found after the fact, it is turned in to the bank, who gives it to the Secret Service. So in my personal examples just for curiosity I called the Secret Service and gave it to them myself. It's not very interesting, they just take it.

    Without the feds I am guessing it may require a detective to determine counterfeit cash.

    Here is a January case set off by a detector pen, or last year in one of many cases where the pen is found to be useless. The January thing sounds perfectly normal; there was a scuffle, or at least a taser, and criminals were stopped. Notice they were not at the same deli all the time around people they know. So that is Target making the same call, the deputy does not immediately arrest but confronts the suspects, who failed to cooperate.

    I can't remember where I found the statement I did, but, the clerk physically went outside and spoke to Floyd in his vehicle, so they were able to specifically report that it was a blue van on 38th or whatever it was. Locating him did not seem weird to me. The background of the "instant adjudication" is...weak...and the way he went down just did not look like anything that would even suggest three people need to restrain him or one should keep going in a dangerous manner for an unreasonable period of time.

    I am talking about complete strangers in my experience, but, since this was a neighborhood situation where...everybody knew everybody...it would have been extra normal for everybody to sit around talking about it. If I "had" to do it because a supervisor was watching me, I would still tell the cops, look, he's been coming here for years. It would be softened. With some of the criminals, if you tell us the truth and cooperate, you do get off lighter. So I don't know if there is any outrage expressed by the people who made the call. Why do you want your customers to go to jail? Let alone have that part go slightly wrong?

    The background is a bit flimsy, but, is all that is needed to enable, what appears to me to be excessive use of force.

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    Default Re: The death of George Floyd in police hands, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020

    Quote Posted by lunaflare (here)
    A few queries:

    What were George Floyd's prior criminal convictions?
    Also, does it not make historic sense that riots and mayhem will only usher in greater force in terms of a military/police state(s)?
    His criminal history was in Texas:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...son-Texas.html

    It's possible the police had been tracking the counterfeit bills he'd been passing and were trying to catch him in the act, with the help of the store.

    Regardless, the riots were orchestrated and they quickly went international. Sort of like the way student riots have been coordinated since the 1960s.

    I hope Trump doesn't let the deep state play him like a fiddle.
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    b) in my understanding is that before talking to the police, the clerk already went outside and asked for the cigarettes. So there is no question where Floyd was. The quick police dash was probably something like--"Did you make the call?"...."Yeah, he's still over there".
    OK I just watched the video where the clerks go outside to see Floyd in his car.
    How did the clerks know exactly where to go? Probably had cameras installed outside the store?


    I'm watching the videos again and it's ALL WRONG!

    You mean I can call up the police from my store and tell them someone has just tried to pass off counterfeit bills and they will come down a few minutes later, arrest, and throw the person into their squad car and haul them off to the police station?

    That's it!

    Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

    I said this before, they (the police and the store staff) had Floyd's plate number. Was Floyd threatening anyone? Was anyone's safety in jeopardy?

    Was Floyd proven to be guilty of anything?

    To handle/treat someone the way Floyd was treated on an accusation and nothing more is not the way justice system was designed to work, is it?

    Or maybe the law works differently in the U.S., against black people?
    Yes. Exactly. Black people in general have had the law used differently against them. And not only blacks, but other minorities and low-income people as well. If a white person does the same thing, especially if they're presenting themselves as educated and/or middle class (i.e. they wear the right clothes and talk the right talk), they are treated vastly different. That is a long-standing problem, and one more reason why people are angry, one more thing playing into the "Fourth Turning." It is not the only thing.

    It is easy to miss this if you are not a part of it or, as many white people here in the US, you are not willing to give it an honest examination.

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    Default Re: The death of George Floyd in police hands, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020

    Acknowledging that harm was committed against a person and/or group is incredibly healing. If you as a member of a group (whether you committed an atrocity or not), can offer an apology to a victim, it is very healing to the victim. This is true across the board for individuals as well as larger groups.

    It is not about accepting responsibility for what others have done. It is about acknowledging that those people did commit atrocities, and they were wrong. It is about letting go of your ego and addressing the hurt and pain in others. It is an act of true compassion.

    If you are looking for healing, then apologizing ["apology: a regretful acknowledgment of an offense or failure"] to someone who has been wronged is a powerful way to move that along. It is saying, "I see that you have been harmed, and I regret that this harm was done to you."

    These acts of compassion are one of the most powerful ways to bring people together, and they will be fought against by everyone who wants to keep people divided.

    We need more acts like this right now. There is nothing that terrifies TPTB more than showing love to others.

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    Who Is Placing Piles of Bricks at Protests?
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    Default Re: The death of George Floyd in police hands, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020

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    How Many Black Lives Has ANTIFA Destroyed So Far?
    I appreciate this man's voice, so I went to his channel to see if I could find other places he's sharing.
    I wanted to hear more of what he is saying. (I've been adding dozens of twitter accounts, lately.)

    Real Climate Science, is linked in the About section of his YT channel.

    What I would really like to know is the name of man speaking in the video, that Exomatrix shared? Still looking for that.

    Scrolling through the posts I saw this video, in one of his blogposts.



    Note added: Gotta laugh at me, found his name, it's Rob Smith, and he's from Fox. (I don't have a TV, lots of the news channel stuff I miss.)

    More notes added: Rob Smith started a GoFundMe page for the MN small businesses destroyed in the after hours riot and looting. It looks like it's at about 86K right now. A drop in the bucket considering the damages done. At this point, there are countless small businesses destroyed in the riots.

    The daytime protests are peaceful and productive. I'd like to see more media talking about the solutions. Like was Mark/Rahkyt shared here.

    For example, many cities across America implemented a ban on the "knee on the neck" tactic to subdue someone resisting arrest in response to previous problems. Perhaps there ought to be a nationwide ban on that tactic?

    And maybe a bit more awareness that this tactic is used on people who resist arrest, regardless of race, gender, ect...

    I've been seeing some stats that show that more white men are killed by police than black men killed by police, we just don't hear the white man's names. The common denominator here seems to be what happens when a person resists arrests.

    Maybe a discussion about how to handle those situations would deepen a solutions-oriented conversation.
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    Default Re: The death of George Floyd in police hands, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020

    As Mike says, it is a bit weird to take a knee as a white person.

    If I take a knee I am admitting it is my fault, like I had a say in the order of this world.

    And, I do not in any way feel that these are my people who are rioting and looting.

    These are the worst of the worst, far worse than the very evil they claim to be against.

    And when you look at their faces you see what they are, agitators intent on harm. And all of them young. They are too naive to understand that their causes have long ago been subverted by agent provocateurs, and that their causes have been hijacked and no longer represent the ideal or even the sentiment of the original movement.

    The establishment has a very long reach - right into every organization that has become merely a thin veil hiding the fanaticism beneath.


    I'll take a knee for the natural world. For them it is like children watching their parents fight: their whole world is on the line, literally.

    The stewards of the planet have lost their minds: woe is be to all life forms on earth!

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    Default Re: The death of George Floyd in police hands, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020

    No need to follow anyone, only consider broadening (y)our horizon of possibilities ...

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