The death of George Floyd in police hands, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020

[fractal being]

Posted by Mike (here)
Her privilege? I'd love to know what you mean by that. "Privilege" is like the tofu of words nowadays; it can be used in a million different ways. I'd love to know exactly what you mean by that. She's black, so it can't be black privilege, can it? She's a woman too, so it certainly isn't female privilege, correct? This does amuse me a little, seeing as though according to the bible of social justice just these 2 qualifications alone should make her something like an intersectional paragon of oppression

oh, wait a sec, she's conservative. they don't count, right?

You can see how silly this all can get pretty quickly, yeah?

Owens was raised by her grandparents after her folks divorced. Suggests a broken home to me. She endured multiple racial death threats growing up too. Wasn't easy, apparently.

And it turns out she's worked a day in her life after all. Lots of 'em. She studied journalism at Rhode Island; became an intern at Vogue magazine; then got a job for a private equity firm in NY city, moving up the ranks to later become president. And now she's a very well known and highly successful conservative pundit.

Privilege? Sounds like competence and hard work to me.

Look, she's said and done quite a few controversial things, but silencing her seems a bit fascist to me.

Candace has some hits and misses in this video. I winced a few times and was enlightened a few times. Nothing wrong whatsoever with Chris posting this in my view

Actually I didn't care much about her background until you mentioned it, since I was merely criticizing her on the video linked. So I had to look her up. It's actually a lot worse than I thought. So she started college with money she earned by suing white people and settling with them for money. She never went past junior year in college, but still managed to push a career starting as an intern in vogue magazine, a venue pushing cheap stereotypes for women all around and definitely dark cabal agenda. So how did she managed that at the age of 20 without a proper education? I have some ideas on how she climbed the corporate hill, but I'll leave those to your imagination.

It seems to me that she's an awful opportunist that became republican overnight when she grabbed some conservative attention and was used from them in order to make them look more inclusive. I use the term conservative here quite loosely since apparently she's been supporting all sort of wrong things (KKK, Hitler and repeatedly disseminating hate speech against muslims and emigrants). Ever since it seems she went on a rampage blindly reproducing the Trump narratives and extreme right wing propagandas and not even apologising when she's wrong

In October 2018, during the mail bombing attempts targeting prominent Democrats, Owens promoted the conspiracy theory that the bomb mailings were sent by leftists. After authorities on October 26 arrested a 56-year-old suspect who was a registered Republican and Trump supporter, Owens deleted her comments on Twitter without explanation

It also seems that she's harrassed family members of awful crime victims in the past

In August 2018, Owens had a dispute with a cousin of Mollie Tibbetts. Tibbetts was murdered, allegedly by Cristhian Bahena Rivera, a 24 year old Mexican undocumented immigrant. Tibbetts' cousin said that Owens had exploited Tibbetts' death for "political propaganda". Owens responded, describing the cousin's criticism as a "strange" attack on Trump supporters. Later that month the University of Iowa chapter of Turning Point USA criticized Owens for "public harassment" towards a member of Tibbetts' family

There's a lot more about her, but let's not bring this thread way off topic. What I meant by privilege stands though. For whatever reason and however she was "pushed" by the right (no pun intended) people she came to a place that she has a venue for her voice to be heard and live a comfortable life, which many people from the black, mexican, indian and poor heritage don't have. Having come from that background she should be more compassionate about the struggles those people undergo. In some extent she's even worse than some white supremacists, because many whites are blissed with ignorance and don't have the experiences in life to empathise with struggling groups.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by fractal being (here)
it appears to me that you sir are a white supremacist in denial.

Mod note from Bill:

That's 100% not okay. Please edit your post — thanks.

[fractal being]

Done bill. I repectfully disagree with you, but it's your house your rules.

[Caliban]

You guys gonna tell me that's the same "Derek Chauvin" in the mug shot and in the street scene?

Here's more, and these "Chauvins" don't even look like each other.

Here's a video that'll probably be gone by the time you click on it. Rather controversial but hey, who knows?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=wi9U0ij9X64

[enfoldedblue]

Posted by Caliban (here)
You guys gonna tell me that's the same "Derek Chauvin" in the mug shot and in the street scene?

Here's a video that'll probably be gone by the time you click on it. Rather controversial but hey, who knows?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=wi9U0ij9X64

Having studied face structure at art school and through years of life drawing , to my trained eye this is definitely the same person. That nose has very distinct details in its structure that are present in both images. The difference between photos is from the way he is holding his face , lighting, angles etc.

[Caliban]

Posted by enfoldedblue (here)


Having studied face structure at art school and through years of life drawing , to my trained eye this is definitely the same person. That nose has very distinct details in its structure that are present in both images. The difference between photos is from the way he is holding his face , lighting, angles etc.

No, totally different facial structure. Not to mention, there's at least 10 years age difference.

[Bill Ryan]

What's starting to play out in both the mainstream and alternative media — and on many social network platforms, including this one — is a kind of PR war. This is all very dangerous.

We're now starting to see division on the forum about this, which is a symptom in our little microcosm of something far more major that may be affecting many millions of people out there.

All the issues involved are emotional ones, and that goes straight to the Achilles Heel of every one of us. Stay grounded and cool, and please think carefully before (and how) you post. No member here is the enemy of any other member.

[Satori]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
What's starting to play out in both the mainstream and alternative media — and on many social network platforms, including this one — is a kind of PR war. This is all very dangerous.

We're now starting to see division on the forum about this, which is a symptom in our little microcosm of something far more major that may be affecting many millions of people out there.

All the issues involved are emotional ones, and that goes straight to the Achilles Heel of every one of us. Stay grounded and cool, and please think carefully before (and how) you post. No member here is the enemy of any other member.

Bump, bump, bump....

[Mike]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by fractal being (here)
it appears to me that you sir are a white supremacist in denial.

Mod note from Bill:

That's 100% not okay. Please edit your post — thanks.

Black woman is unfairly labelled 'privileged' by someone. White guy that defends that black woman is called a 'white supremacist'

[shaberon]

Posted by TomKat (here)
It's possible the police had been tracking the counterfeit bills he'd been passing and were trying to catch him in the act, with the help of the store.

Wait, where does it say he had been passing bills?

He was a drug using minor thug in his own right, it may sound bad, but, compared to the public as a whole, that is NOTHING.

It would be correct that you see in a lot of real counterfeit cases, it is a batch of copies having the same serial number. So to an extent, it is possible to look for where x cash is showing up, and where it might be coming from.

Even if he was a suspect in an investigation, it would not have any bearing on the scuffle. I watched the police chase and catch a guy using their dogs one time, and about all that happened was he got a little dirty. I suppose because I'm not from Minneapolis and have bumped into the police myself, and have so many...countless...arrest stories of different kinds, I, nevertheless, have no story at all where any police ever belted out unnecessary force. It is likely departments are more violent and more corrupt in larger cities.

[Agape]

Posted by Mike (here)
ok, hang on Delight, let me get this straight:

Jews don't have "white privilege"? This is a little confusing to me because most of them are white.

Do you think those secretive patriarchs of white privilege handing out white privilege chips can just tell on arrival that they're jews, and withhold privilege as a result?

And are they holding out privilege because Jews represent an "oppressed" group? Most Jews I know don't seem too oppressed. Seem to be doing ok in the world. Some even say they're ruling it.

And if they are oppressed, is it because of the Holocaust? Is it because of all that time God kept them in the desert during biblical times? Because that seems like an awfully long time ago. Does historical oppression only count now if it was relatively recent? If so, how recent? What's the cut off point?

Look, if you go back far enough and long enough, everybody has been oppressed in some horrific way. So your distinctions feel a little arbitrary to me. I'm not trying to be glib; trying to prove a point.

Jewishness is whole long historical, philosophical and (one type of) religious paradigm that evolved on path of thorns and sufferings indeed and long pilgrimage to “Home” wherever that Hime is.

Its expressions are countless and multicoloured as people but in the heart of the faith there is the same longing for home, for better new world, for golden age of truth and prosperity shared among all advanced people on this Planet.


Some of us call it Shambhala, others call it Valhalla, some call it their Mecca.It is one and the same thing. Some call it Hyperborea, yet others like me long for our home somewhere in the stars of Orion.


There is deep sense of longing and suffering all these people share indeed, from deep within. Is it a memory ? Is it a truth ? No it’s not a faith rained to books though we all are looking to books searching for records.


Now if all these people for once looked out of their isolated shelves and selves, their mentalities damaged by generations of barbarian attacks among reassurances of their grandmothers of them “too” being the Chosen People,
yes them too,

would not they find so many others in this world are longing for the same ???


Peace and prosperity and wisdom, wisdom that is born in every child, not one deserved only for patriarchs.

Themselves have been delegated to this world by their grandmothers and mothers of all tribes.

No one is more special than they themselves can understand. No on our own we do t have to suffer.



💫

[Luke Holiday]

Posted by AutumnW (here)

So, autumn, If you feel you must challenge my every post- by all means - if that serves you and good of the forum please do so. Luke Holiday

Okay. I will.

… Great - now I know at least one person (Mr. Hyde/Hide) will be reading my posts

[Mashika]

This is something i really can't figure out, how can this be?

If you are out there, on the street, and some guy wearing a cop uniform comes and basically tries to kill you are you not supposed to defend your life at all? (see the blood around the guys head) What is this?

In my home town, a cop or 100 cops doing that, would suddenly find themselves biting the dirt if they did that to an elder or a kid, or basically anyone that can defend themselves, because the AK's would popup out of the dirt by the hundreds along with a gazillion rounds and it would stop soon enough. Also the beating would be higher than most cops can run or get backup. You may hear different from tv or papers, but you are bad informed, very badly informed really

And this is "freedom" somehow? The next guy then gets lead into the swarm of cops and looks like he was arrested just because he tried to say something? wot?

I feel anger just watching this again lol, what happened next? We may never know, at least hope he did not die, but he did not look ok and the stupidity kept going even after he was down, they just walked around blaming others. I can almost hear the excuses now

Well here's the explanation, he tripped and fell, he's old so there's that, too bad i guess

[happyuk]

Posted by enfoldedblue (here)

Posted by Caliban (here)
You guys gonna tell me that's the same "Derek Chauvin" in the mug shot and in the street scene?

Here's a video that'll probably be gone by the time you click on it. Rather controversial but hey, who knows?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=wi9U0ij9X64

Having studied face structure at art school and through years of life drawing , to my trained eye this is definitely the same person. That nose has very distinct details in its structure that are present in both images. The difference between photos is from the way he is holding his face , lighting, angles etc.

I too have to respectively disagree. Superficially these guys look similar. But I notice Chauvin has a distinct widow's peak hairline, the other guy does not. Their right ears are different (some countries consider ear prints to be a more reliable means of identification than fingerprints). Their foreheads are different (Chauvin's is narrower) and both seem to have different forehead wrinkles.

They are similar in that both have a sour, discontented look about them, Chauvin seems almost deranged.

[Chester]

Here's a relevant story.

When I was 20 years old and had already begun to live a pattern of self destruction coupled with episodes of "loss of reality" that would culminate in psychosis, I jumped on an airplane with a few pounds of marijuana stashed in my suitcase. I was quite drunk as well. I learned later that because of my behavior on the airplane, the pilot informed the authorities ahead at my destination (Lubbock, Texas) that something wasn't right with me. Due to synchronistic events, I ended up being searched where the police found a few joints and, in my wallet, the baggage claim check.

I ended up in the Lubbock County jail where I was charged with felony possession of marijuana. Because I had already been convicted of a felony (I stole the lights off the top of a police car when I was 17), I was supposed to be placed in a tank on the 4th floor (previous felons were sent to the forth floor), but for some reason, they placed me on the third floor (first time offenders). Clue #1.

My parents decided I needed to "learn a lesson" and left me in jail despite bond being set very low. In my tank were about 25 of us. Myself, and a guy named Charlie White (his last name is likely why I remembered it - too synchronistic as you will read) were the only white guys in the tank. The rest were all black. Another interesting fact is that on each floor there were two tanks. And this explains why there were no latinos in our tank. The Latinos were in the other tank - why? I was told that the latinos and blacks would always try and kill each other so they kept them separate.

About 3 or 4 weeks into my "stay," a young black kid who was barely 18 returned from court. By this time, I had "graduated" to the first cell (with 4 bunks) inside the door. How I got there was I had figured out who was the "head of the tank," Norman Darden, and, (more luck), he liked to smoke hand rolled cigarettes but could barely roll them and I was an expert at rolling (though I never smoked tobacco). As the kid entered the tank, I was standing in the middle of my cell. The kid turned and looked at me and then came at me and did a drop kick right into my chest. I had never had a beef with this kid and it caught me off guard. I asked him, why? And he replied, "I just got five years down in Huntsville and the judge was white." Those were his exact words, words I've never forgotten. Clue #2.

About 5 or so weeks into my stay, my father flew up to Lubbock. I didn't even know he was there until the guard came to the side of the cell (as there was a walkway around the tank for the guards) and said my Dad wanted to see me... I was elated. Yet the visit was only me, on the inside of the tank doorway peering through a heavy glass window about a foot tall and wide with a screen mesh below it where one might hear the words of each other. As the metal covering swung open from the outside, there was my father with a real sad look on his face. He stood there for about 5 or so minutes and said nothing. Then he left. That was it. I was baffled. Clue #3.

A letter came from my step-mother who told me that Dad had hired a lawyer for me and that's why he had gone to Lubbock. It didn't really make sense to me as he didn't need to leave Dallas to hire a lawyer... keep this in mind for the end of the story.

A short time later, a few of the tank mates decided they would abuse Charlie White. I was pretty scared. They took him to the other end and beat him up a bit, but worse, they made him do something which scared me even more and I would rather not talk about. Somehow, they left me alone, perhaps because they knew Norman sort of protected me.

Soon after, Norman was promoted to Trustee and moved to the second floor. And luckily, I was offered trustee as well and felt my safety would benefit so I took the offer too and ended up on the second floor where all the trustees were housed.

There was one trustee, a latino guy, who somehow had the greatest trustee job of all. He was a typist and he was given a trustee job where he would go to the first floor and essentially do the sole clerical job for the sheriff deputies who were booking people in and out and who ran the jail. His job was so cool, they let him walk across the street to buy a coke from the coke machine. That was some serious trust! I looked at him like he was the coolest guy I ever knew.

Then one day, I learned that he had gone for a coke, and never came back.

Soon after, the lawyer came to visit me. He was allowed to see me through the catwalk as they called it - just bars between him and me. And he told me essentially this [paraphrased] - "I had lunch with the district attorney. I convinced him that the felony charge was a case of illegal search and seizure and they're dropping the felony. They are considering the four joints as a class A misdemeanor and if you plead guilty, they'll give you time served and you can go home with the understanding you leave Lubbock immediately upon your release. Court is set for next Tuesday," (it was the Friday before). Clue #4

I was elated (of course). Somehow skated through again! Interestingly, the day before court, one of the jailers told me I was offered the clerk job (because I had also proven I could type). I remember feeling a strange sadness that I wouldn't have the opportunity to show them I could be trusted and wouldn't run off.

So 65 days after my arrest, I was picked up at the jail by the lawyer and taken to court. And just after the proceeding, the lawyer took me straight to the airport and I've never been back to Lubbock, Texas since.

And now for Clue #5. My father died a few years after the Lubbock event. He was 44, suffered from depression and had committed suicide, likely tipped over the edge by the sudden death of his wife, my step-mother from pancreatic cancer. Years later (around 2010), while I was living in Panama, I was Skyping with my mother. Somehow the conversation went to that period of my life and something I said triggered my mother to tell me something I never knew. She told me that my Dad had flown to Lubbock with a bag of cash ($30,000) to give to the lawyer... that it was bribe money for the district attorney and the judge. And that is Clue #5.

Yes, this was 1977... but there's no way in the world you can convince me that the "white privilege" that played a role in my outcome... and the lack of "white privilege" that played a roll in the young black kid, first time offender that got 5 years in the state penitentiary isn't an example of a deep, systemic and institutional racism. The pain of this... the pain that has to be felt and passed through generations of African Americans is something that... that seems so incredibly powerful, understandable, informative... and I have absolutely no clue how this could ever heal.

I send energy that it heal... all the time, have done so ever since I was a teenager. But it doesn't seem to have changed.

I became like "the Ghandi thing" ["Be the change..."] with regards to racism. In fact, I have always been that way anyways... in part due to having been raised by a cutting edge family with regards to racism - my father was not only "not racist," he was kicked out of the prestigious Dallas golf club - Brookhollow Golf Club in 1974 in part because he had befriended many of the staff members and had relationships with them outside of the club and... they were all African Americans. And my step-mother (from San Francisco) was a civil rights proponent in the 1960s and 70s, the entire time I knew her.

But I am under no illusion that any of my "inner goodness" and outer reflection of such balances the generational pain felt in the hearts of so many of the African American community here in the US.

I am at a loss... I have no answers... It will play out the way it should? We'll see.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Following along here, it is becoming evident that emotions are being stirred up along political, class, financial and racial lines.
I think that is the whole point of the agenda, possibly to turn attention away from this joke of a virus that is only comparable to a mild flu season as the official narrative continues to fall apart.

I unwittingly passed a fake ten dollar bill: the attendant asked me for another bill, attempted to keep the fake one but I snatched it back and went to the person who gave it to me, who then reimbursed me. No police, no choke hold required. The point being that a person who passes a fake bill often does not even know it.

So the way this went down suggests these particular cops were/are on the take. They are dirty scumbag cops, attempting to cover their tracks. What they were into, who knows. But their actions are suspect. I would require an investigation into that entire police department, I bet wrongdoing would be found...

This was not a murder, it was an execution.

[ExomatrixTV]

'I'd like to be out here helping you': Atlanta police officer mediates with George Floyd protesters:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=IpIMpqUYDuM

[ExomatrixTV]

55 Million Views 1,1 Million Shares:

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Mod note from Bill:
John, this video was already posted. I truly mean no disrespect, but it's clear you'd not read the thread. THX.

[ExomatrixTV]

Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
55 Million Views 1,1 Million Shares:

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Mod note from Bill:
John, this video was already posted. I truly mean no disrespect, but it's clear you'd not read the thread. THX.

Actually I DO read the thread all of it ... but may have missed it when scrolling somehow ... sorry for that!

cheers,
John

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Interesting, not sure how much is correct or even "possible":

Dr. Winnie Heartstrong: George Floyd is ALIVE! PROVE ME WRONG:

[bettye198]

I have spent a week or more just reeling like most of you. There is a piece of all of us that finds the story spurious and a piece of the story that has happened multiple times in all neighborhoods. My own white causcasian son was profiled once for nothing while driving through a construction zone. We never know where it will come from with all the needy "quota" from the police force.
I read something on twitter that jiggled my nerves. I will try to remember all the pertinent details. It was said that defunding the police force of a city, county or state brings the issue to being controlled by a nationalist group. Some hinted brownshirts which I hope not. Yet, the defunding evidently through history has happened in other countries as a prelude to greater control. The post cited Cuba, Venezuela and other countries. What do you think about this? Is this the next step?