The death of George Floyd in police hands, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020

[AutumnW]

Betty,

Your own white Caucasian son was profiled? You mean he was stopped for some reason?

[Luke Holiday]

http://"https://www.facebook.com/rea...957870461345/"


John much respect !!

This is a very intriguing video by an extremely well spoken MAGA promoting black woman.... She makes the comment (among many others) of checking the gas prices in the video in order to debunk the authenticity of the MSM narrative. This seems like a very easy thing to fact check. Unfortunately after 45 minutes of searching I cannot find any video footage of those gas prices that she spoke of:

Does anyone have anything on this?

Thank you

Luke

[AutumnW]

Fractal, Thank you, and I want to highlight information you found regarding the young woman in the Youtube video, claiming FG isn't a martyr.
If making America great again, means lying through your teeth and subverting the black community at the same time, regardless of your color, then she seems to be making America pretty darned great!:

It seems to me that she's an awful opportunist that became republican overnight when she grabbed some conservative attention and was used from them in order to make them look more inclusive. I use the term conservative here quite loosely since apparently she's been supporting all sort of wrong things (KKK, Hitler and repeatedly disseminating hate speech against muslims and emigrants). Ever since it seems she went on a rampage blindly reproducing the Trump narratives and extreme right wing propagandas and not even apologising when she's wrong


Quote In October 2018, during the mail bombing attempts targeting prominent Democrats, Owens promoted the conspiracy theory that the bomb mailings were sent by leftists. After authorities on October 26 arrested a 56-year-old suspect who was a registered Republican and Trump supporter, Owens deleted her comments on Twitter without explanation

[AutumnW]

Joe Rogan on anti-fa, anarchy, etc...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=a59q6tVHyJ4

[DaveToo]

Posted by happyuk (here)
I too have to respectively disagree. Superficially these guys look similar. But I notice Chauvin has a distinct widow's peak hairline, the other guy does not. Their right ears are different (some countries consider ear prints to be a more reliable means of identification than fingerprints). Their foreheads are different (Chauvin's is narrower) and both seem to have different forehead wrinkles.

They are similar in that both have a sour, discontented look about them, Chauvin seems almost deranged.

Nope. Same guy.
Just much older.
Tilt the head down for the first mug shot so the angle is the same as the second shot, and everything will be the same.
Nose, ears, etc.
Oh and the hair will also be the same as well, maybe a bit thinner.

The NOSE is the dead giveaway.

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Mike (here)
[Candace has some hits and misses in this video. I winced a few times and was enlightened a few times. Nothing wrong whatsoever with Chris posting this in my view

Just a quick stop by to say that I admire Candace Owen's tenacity. I'm not here to change anyone's mind about her or her views. I wanted to recognize her strength(s). This 2 minutes snippet from a vid that has over one million views since April 9, 2019. To save time, click here @ 5:29.

Candace Owens Accuses Democrat of Distorting her Comments

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=cpMZ8A3qVrs

Candace Amber Owens Farmer is an American conservative commentator and political activist. She is known for her pro-Trump activism that began around 2016 after being initially very critical of Trump and the Republican Party, and her criticism of Black Lives Matter and of the Democratic Party. Wikipedia

Her latest book is schedule to come out on September 15, 2020, "Blackout: How Black America Can Make Its Second Escape from the Democrat Plantation."

Amazon Summary:

Political activist and social media star Candace Owens explains all the reasons how the Democratic Party policies hurt, rather than help, the African American community, and why she and many others are turning right.

What do you have to lose? This question, posed by then-presidential candidate Donald Trump to potential black voters, was mocked and dismissed by the mainstream media. But for Candace Owens and many others, it was a wake-up call. A staunch Democrat for all of her life, she began to question the left’s policies toward black Americans, and investigate the harm they inflict on the community.

In Blackout, social media star and conservative commentator Owens addresses the many ways that liberal policies and ideals are actually harmful to African Americans and hinder their ability to rise above poverty, live independent and successful lives, and be an active part of the American Dream. Weaving in her personal story that brought her from the projects to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, she demonstrates how she overcame her setbacks and challenges despite the cultural expectation that she should embrace a victim mentality.

Owens argues that government assistance is a double-edged sword, that the left dismisses the faith so important to the black community, that Democratic permissiveness toward abortion disproportionately affects the black babies, that the #MeToo movement hurts black men, and much more. Well-researched and intelligently argued, Blackout lays bare the myth that all black people should vote Democrat—and shows why turning to the right will leave them happier, more successful, and more self-sufficient.

[Tintin]

A statement from the UN earlier today (US June 5th):

Source; UN Human Rights - Office of the High Commissioner

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Statement on the Protests against Systemic Racism in the United States

June 5, 2020

This statement is issued by independent experts* of the Special Procedures of the United Nations Human Rights Council:

The recent killing of George Floyd has shocked many in the world, but it is the lived reality of black people across the United States. The uprising nationally is a protest against systemic racism that produces state-sponsored racial violence, and licenses impunity for this violence. The uprising also reflects public frustration and protest against the many other glaring manifestations of systemic racism that have been impossible to ignore in the past months, including the racially disparate death rate and socioeconomic impact of the COVID-19 pandemic and the disparate and discriminatory enforcement of pandemic-related restrictions. This systemic racism is gendered. The protests the world is witnessing, are a rejection of the fundamental racial inequality and discrimination that characterize life in the United States for black people, and other people of color.

The response of the President of the United States to the protests at different junctures has included threatening [TQ edit] more state violence using language directly associated with racial segregationists from the nation’s past, who worked hard to deny black people fundamental human rights. We are deeply concerned that the nation is on the brink of a militarized response that reenacts the injustices that have driven people to the streets to protest.

Expressions of solidarity—nationally and internationally—are important but they are not enough. Many in the United States and abroad are finally acknowledging that the problem is not a few bad apples, but instead the problem is the very way that economic, political and social life are structured in a country that prides itself in liberal democracy, and with the largest economy in the world. The true demonstration of whether Black lives do indeed matter remains to be seen in the steps that public authorities and private citizens take in response to the concrete demands that protestors are making. One example is nationwide calls to rollback staggering police and military budgets, and for reinvestment of those funds in healthcare, education, housing, pollution prevention and other social structures, especially in communities of color that have been impoverished and terrorized by discriminatory state intervention.

Reparative intervention for historical and contemporary racial injustice is urgent, and required by international human rights law. This is a time for action and not just talk, especially from those who need not fear for their lives or their livelihoods because of their race or ethnicity. Globally, people of African descent and others have had to live the truths of systemic racism, and the associated pain, often without meaningful recourse as they navigate their daily lives. International leaders that have spoken out in solidarity with protestors, and with black people in the United States should also take this opportunity to address structural forms of racial and ethnic injustice in their own nations, and within the international system itself.

___________________

* UN experts:

Tendayi Achiume,Special Rapporteur on contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance
Ikponwosa Ero,Independent Expert on the enjoyment of human rights by persons with albinism
Leigh Toomey (Chair-Rapporteur), Elina Steinerte (Vice-Chair), José Antonio Guevara Bermúdez, Sètondji Roland Adjovi, and Seong-Phil Hong, Working Group on Arbitrary Detention
Githu Muigai (Chair), Anita Ramasastry (Vice-chair), Surya Deva, Elżbieta Karska, and Dante Pesce,Working Group on Business and Human Rights
Rhona Smith,Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in Cambodia
Nourredine Amir (Chair), Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination (CERD)
Fionnuala D. Ní Aoláin,Special Rapporteur on the promotion and protection of human rights and fundamental freedoms while countering terrorism
Livingstone Sewanyana,Independent Expert on the promotion of a democratic and equitable international order
Tomás Ojea Quintana,Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Democratic People's Republic of Korea
Catalina Devandas-Aguilar,Special Rapporteur on the rights of persons with disabilities
Meskerem Geset Techane, Elizabeth Broderick (Chair), Alda Facio, Ivana Radačić, and Melissa Upreti(Vice Chair),Working Group on discrimination against women and girls
Kombou Boly Barry,Special Rapporteur on the right to education
David R. Boyd,Special Rapporteur on human rights and the environment
Agnès Callamard,Special Rapporteur on extrajudicial, summary or arbitrary executions
Michael Fakhri,Special Rapporteur on the right to food
Yuefen LI,Independent Expert on the effects of foreign debt and other related international financial obligations of States on the full enjoyment of all human rights, particularly economic, social and cultural rights
Clément Nyaletsossi Voule,Special Rapporteur on the rights to freedom of peaceful assembly and of association
David Kaye,Special Rapporteur on the promotion and protection of the right to freedom of expression
Ahmed Shaheed,Special Rapporteur on freedom of religion or belief
Dainius Pūras,Special Rapporteur on the right to physical and mental health
Balakrishnan Rajagopal, Special Rapporteur on adequate housing as a component of the right to an adequate standard of living, and on the right to non-discrimination in this context
Alice Cruz,Special Rapporteur on the elimination of discrimination against persons affected by leprosy and their family members
Alioune Tine,Independent Expert on the situation of human rights in Mali
Chris Kwaja (Chair), Jelena Aparac, Lilian Bobea, Sorcha MacLeod, and Saeed Mokbil, Working Group on the use of mercenaries as a means of violating human rights and impeding the exercise of the right of peoples to self-determination
Felipe González Morales, Special Rapporteur on the human rights of migrants
Fernand de Varennes,Special Rapporteur on minority issues
Thomas Andrews, Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in Myanmar
Claudia Mahler,Independent Expert on the enjoyment of all human rights by older persons
Michael Lynk,Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian Territory occupied since 1967
Olivier De Schutter,Special Rapporteur on extreme poverty and human rights
Ahmed Reid (Chair), Michal Balcerzak, Dominique Day, Sabelo Gumedze, and Ricardo A. Sunga III, Working Group of experts on people of African descent
Joe Cannataci,Special Rapporteur on the right to privacy
Saad Alfarargi,Special Rapporteur on the right to development
Mama Fatima Singhateh,Special Rapporteur on sale and sexual exploitation of children
Victor Madrigal-Borloz,Independent Expert on protection against violence and discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity
Tomoya Obokata, Special Rapporteur on contemporary forms of slavery, including its causes and consequences
Obiora C. Okafor,Independent Expert on human rights and international solidarity
Isha Dyfan,Independent Expert on the situation of human rights in Somalia
Aristide Nononsi,Independent Expert on the situation of human rights in the Sudan
Nils Melzer,Special Rapporteur on torture and other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment
Baskut Tuncak,Special Rapporteur on human rights and hazardous substances and wastes
Maria Grazia Giammarinaro,Special Rapporteur on trafficking in persons, especially women and children
Fabian Salvioli, Special Rapporteur on the promotion of truth, justice, reparation and guarantees of non-recurrence
Alena Douhan, Special Rapporteur on the negative impact of the unilateral coercive measures on the enjoyment of human rights
Dubravka Šimonovic,Special Rapporteur on violence against women, its causes and consequences
Léo Heller, Special Rapporteur on the human rights to water and sanitation

______________________

The Special Rapporteurs and Working Groups are part of what is known as the Special Procedures of the Human Rights Council. Special Procedures, the largest body of independent experts in the UN Human Rights system, is the general name of the Council's independent fact-finding and monitoring mechanisms that address either specific country situations or thematic issues in all parts of the world. Special Procedures' experts work on a voluntary basis; they are not UN staff and do not receive a salary for their work. They are independent from any government or organization and serve in their individual capacity.

For further information and inquiries, please contact:

Kellie Ognimba (kognimba@ohchr.org),and Minkyong Kim (mkim@ohchr.org)or write to racism@ohchr.org

__________________________

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Tintin (here)
A statement from the UN earlier today (US June 5th):

Source; UN Human Rights - Office of the High Commissioner

In response to that, which at first I thought might be a parody (it's not: it's real), I decided not to post here what I originally thought I should.

I'll simply say again: this is all very, very dangerous.

[AutumnW]

Weaving in her personal story that brought her from the projects to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, she demonstrates how she overcame her setbacks and challenges despite the cultural expectation that she should embrace a victim mentality.--From Candace Owens Amazon book review.

When real issues of victimization are framed in this way, it turns the issue upside down and makes it the fault of the black underclass that they can't rise above their poverty and way of life. People who live in areas where they are arbitrarily arrested, beginning in their early teens and then suffer the tremendous and inescapable fallout from the unjust justice system, are not embracing a victim mentality.

They ARE what you would call "victims." This is the worst of the worst of Uncle Tom sliming of the black community by another black. And she is doing it for notoriety and to distinguish herself as special. Highly narcissistic despicable human being.

[Mike]

Posted by AutumnW (here)
Weaving in her personal story that brought her from the projects to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, she demonstrates how she overcame her setbacks and challenges despite the cultural expectation that she should embrace a victim mentality.--From Candace Owens Amazon book review.

When real issues of victimization are framed in this way, it turns the issue upside down and makes it the fault of the black underclass that they can't rise above their poverty and way of life. People who live in areas where they are arbitrarily arrested, beginning in their early teens and then suffer the tremendous and inescapable fallout from the unjust justice system, are not embracing a victim mentality.

They ARE what you would call "victims." This is the worst of the worst of Uncle Tom sliming of the black community by another black. And she is doing it for notoriety and to distinguish herself as special. Highly narcissistic despicable human being.

Jess, being a black conservative isn't something you do for fun. The notoriety you mentioned is mostly alienation, endless attacks, vicious labeling ("uncle Tom"), death threats, and so on.

Calling any black person an uncle tom may be in some ways worse than being called n!gger. Not something to throw around casually. There are many blacks in politics and entertainment who hold virtually the same values as Owens, and echo everything she says about victimhood culture, nearly word for word. So if she's a slimy, despicable uncle tom, then David Webb is too. So is Larry Elder. So is Rob Smith. So is Tommy Sotomayor. So is Thomas Sowell. So is Coleman Hughes. And so on and so forth. Are you prepared to label them all in the same way?

[shaberon]

Posted by Mashika (here)
...the AK's would popup out of the dirt by the hundreds along with a gazillion rounds and it would stop soon enough. Also the beating would be higher than most cops can run or get backup. You may hear different from tv or papers, but you are bad informed, very badly informed really

I looked around at some of these protests, and it looked like art class, it looked like a bunch of art students, mimes, or something.

Yeah, given the situation, you'd think that someone might think twice before causing harm and lying about it, but, oh well.

There is a bit of fire and some tear gas. One thing that also seems to be happening is girls are showing up in the hospital with their eyeball splattered by a rubber bullet.

It's not like alcohol, no way. Remember that? The only reason we have legal alcohol is from outgunning the police and starting to kill them. This has been disguised as NASCAR.

It does seem dangerous because it will empower democratic U. N. world government, perhaps featuring a U. S. as a tired, worn-out husk.

I am definitely not on any of these sides, and the closest it might come would be a sheriff who is tough on violent crime and doesn't waste time on dumb stuff. Like in the "old west", I guess.

City police are low-hanging fruit and focusing on them diverts from other issues. Like how this is nothing compared to foreign policy in action. If you strengthen world government, the interior condition of the U. S. will have little meaning since it is still going to have this resident U. N. faction.

[gini]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA9Tpf5Uuxs

Joe Rogan 4 june
talking with the hosts of Rising ;Kristal & Saagar,mainly about the protest ,riots .and
police brutalty at 1.00..
Good conversation entertaining different perspectives.

[AutumnW]

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by AutumnW (here)
Weaving in her personal story that brought her from the projects to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, she demonstrates how she overcame her setbacks and challenges despite the cultural expectation that she should embrace a victim mentality.--From Candace Owens Amazon book review.

When real issues of victimization are framed in this way, it turns the issue upside down and makes it the fault of the black underclass that they can't rise above their poverty and way of life. People who live in areas where they are arbitrarily arrested, beginning in their early teens and then suffer the tremendous and inescapable fallout from the unjust justice system, are not embracing a victim mentality.

They ARE what you would call "victims." This is the worst of the worst of Uncle Tom sliming of the black community by another black. And she is doing it for notoriety and to distinguish herself as special. Highly narcissistic despicable human being.

Jess, being a black conservative isn't something you do for fun. The notoriety you mentioned is mostly alienation, endless attacks, vicious labeling ("uncle Tom"), death threats, and so on.

Calling any black person an uncle tom may be in some ways worse than being called n!gger. Not something to throw around casually. There are many blacks in politics and entertainment who hold virtually the same values as Owens, and echo everything she says about victimhood culture, nearly word for word. So if she's a slimy, despicable uncle tom, then David Webb is too. So is Larry Elder. So is Rob Smith. So is Tommy Sotomayor. So is Thomas Sowell. So is Coleman Hughes. And so on and so forth. Are you prepared to label them all in the same way?

If they are black men embracing white conservatism, to feed their narcissism and bank accounts I will do more than call them Uncle Tom, I will sing "Oh way down yonder in the land of cotton," at the same time! What a loathsome bunch. The ultimate betrayal of other blacks.

My opinion may seem strange to you but if you were to speak this way in Canada it would be regarded as curious and most people would wonder if you were a bigot. I don't think you are, I just don't particularly understand your point of view on Candace Owens.

[Bill Ryan]

I posted here on the Antifa thread: (which I've just moved to public view, as it's very important)

I'm thinking we may need a new section to deal with some of the new and alarming current events, many of which are being manipulated even if it may not yet be 100% clear what the exact agenda is.

It's all about a several-stage, high-level plan being rolled out in global co-ordination, designed to get good people stuck on the flypaper of very human emotional issues, while the real manipulation is being orchestrated on a far more strategic level.

There's also flypaper on this thread that's sticking some members, despite their good intentions, to comparatively minor local issues that detract from the critical big-picture view, inadvertently making that harder to see.

The George Floyd murder, and all the reactions on every level, was just one domino in a long and complex chain that's ALL starting to fall now.

[AutumnW]

It's like pre-war Europe. Very similar fundamental schisms and fractures. I feel the populist forces will eventually reveal themselves as being manipulated by pro-fascists. Thanks for focussing on the big picture.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by AutumnW (here)
It's like pre-war Europe. Very similar fundamental schisms and fractures. I feel the populist forces will eventually reveal themselves as being manipulated by pro-fascists. Thanks for focussing on the big picture.

Yes, that's an excellent point about pre-war Europe.

My own view is that tracking the media rhetoric is often the big reveal. One can then quite often see much more clearly what we're being meant to think and feel.

An important point here, about "left" and "right". I address this to everyone.

The "left-right" political spectrum is another conceptual manipulation. It's really a circle, where the left and right ends curve round and join one another.

So you get a "Socialist", "Communist" society like China which is now actually Fascist, just as Stalin, Mussolini and Hitler were. Orwell laid it all out in Animal Farm 75 years ago.

As a result, you get the confusing paradox that Antifa (="anti-fascist") is actually a Fascist organization.

And while they do their thing, many people are distracted by arguing whether Antifa is is on "their side" (left) or on "their side" (right).

I don't want any of us here to fall into that clever trap. They're NWO revolutionary assets, even if they may not have been at the very beginning.

[norman]

Posted by AutumnW (here)
It's like pre-war Europe. Very similar fundamental schisms and fractures. I feel the populist forces will eventually reveal themselves as being manipulated by pro-fascists. Thanks for focussing on the big picture.

"Populist" is another one of those terms that pops up from the same kind of smart-ass dubious establishment pseudo intellectual hot houses as the term "conspiracy theorist".

I know you didn't invent it and I'm not pointing a finger directly at you, but be careful how you pick it up and cook with it.

"Pre war European schisms and fractures", hm . . .I wonder. Before my time, and I have an aversion to rote learned history, but I'm living through the schisms and fractures of the human awakening and I know quite a lot about that by now.

[Mike]

Posted by AutumnW (here)

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by AutumnW (here)
Weaving in her personal story that brought her from the projects to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, she demonstrates how she overcame her setbacks and challenges despite the cultural expectation that she should embrace a victim mentality.--From Candace Owens Amazon book review.

When real issues of victimization are framed in this way, it turns the issue upside down and makes it the fault of the black underclass that they can't rise above their poverty and way of life. People who live in areas where they are arbitrarily arrested, beginning in their early teens and then suffer the tremendous and inescapable fallout from the unjust justice system, are not embracing a victim mentality.

They ARE what you would call "victims." This is the worst of the worst of Uncle Tom sliming of the black community by another black. And she is doing it for notoriety and to distinguish herself as special. Highly narcissistic despicable human being.

Jess, being a black conservative isn't something you do for fun. The notoriety you mentioned is mostly alienation, endless attacks, vicious labeling ("uncle Tom"), death threats, and so on.

Calling any black person an uncle tom may be in some ways worse than being called n!gger. Not something to throw around casually. There are many blacks in politics and entertainment who hold virtually the same values as Owens, and echo everything she says about victimhood culture, nearly word for word. So if she's a slimy, despicable uncle tom, then David Webb is too. So is Larry Elder. So is Rob Smith. So is Tommy Sotomayor. So is Thomas Sowell. So is Coleman Hughes. And so on and so forth. Are you prepared to label them all in the same way?

If they are black men embracing white conservatism, to feed their narcissism and bank accounts I will do more than call them Uncle Tom, I will sing "Oh way down yonder in the land of cotton," at the same time! What a loathsome bunch. The ultimate betrayal of other blacks.

My opinion may seem strange to you but if you were to speak this way in Canada it would be regarded as curious and most people would wonder if you were a bigot. I don't think you are, I just don't particularly understand your point of view on Candace Owens.

Well, that's an interesting take there. Ya know, for most of my life I was a "bleeding heart liberal". Damn proud of it too! But as the world has grown progressively more mad, I've had no choice but to become more conservative in relation to it. For most of my life I would have reacted to the Owens video exactly as you did. So I think I know where you're coming from there. But I view that as mostly an emotional reaction. I'm not suggesting we take emotion out of this thing and become a bunch of unfeeling automatons, but we can't ignore the facts either. The statistics reflect that Owens is largely correct. We can get into all that if you want, but probably best on another thread.

I don't find your views on Owens so much strange as I do dogmatic. What I see you saying here is that anyone who is black and disagrees with you politically must be a narcissistic, slimy uncle tom...that they must be loathsome twats looking to bloat their bank accounts. Jess that attitude is precisely what bigotry is

[TomKat]

US police brutality against Blacks is inspired by Israeli brutality against Palestinians:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/...135856501.html

[Chester]

The Candice Owens points are real and part of the problem.

The systemic and institutional racism is part of the problem.

Yet, what I see too many people doing is choosing that it's one or the other. But (and more importantly) to even engage in the discussion... to offer my opinion as I just did - it's a distraction. It's what "somone(s)" want.

Bill Ryan nailed it anyways... he's been waiting for a member to bring it out and appears to have gotten tired of waiting. So he's started to spell it out.

So, in that vein - this whole Floyd thing is just one domino... just like COVID-19... just like the next dominos to fall and, as it seems Bill is predicting, there are more to follow - perhaps many more.

I would like to know if Bill thinks there's anything that can be done about it?

Is there anything an individual can do that is meaningful and actualizes change?

Is "seeing" the actual real "desired changes" of the controllers, obscured to most caught up in the various dynamics like "the left/right" dynamic or "the 'world' vs the US" dynamic... is "seeing" it all we can achieve?

Is simply "seeing" it, understanding it, having a better understanding of "who" and maybe "what" might be behind it, helpful to others? (if it might be helpful to oneself)

And if so, how is that? Why is that?

These are actual questions I have with no answer or opinion. I mean. I want to make sure someone doesn't draw the conclusion I am suggesting stop taking the red pill... the blue pill is far wiser to consume. Nope.