The death of George Floyd in police hands, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020

[Sarah Rainsong]

Fox News is as much propaganda as CNN. It exists to support the dichotomy and to fan the flames to keep people focused on fighting each other instead of the identifying their true enemy.

MOST of the people that are involved in this whole thing are honest, real people with legitimate concerns. It is important for people, on both sides, to understand that they are being manipulated.

The thousands of people marching in the streets are legitimately angry. They have seen the corruption and the injustice that has continued for y.e.a.r.s. They're tired of it. And now, they have nothing to distract them from it.

I don't know what the goal of COVID was/is, but I don't think it's gone down like it was supposed to. I think it's exposed more cracks in the system and people have responded by getting angry at the government, the corporations, the ones sitting in their glass offices and living in wealth and excess while the rest of the people struggle, losing jobs by the millions.

While it is good to take a larger view and look at the forces that are behind-the-scenes and manipulating events, it is important to understand that what is happening is not all about some imagined slight or false flag. Thousands at a time, real people are legitimately protesting injustice.

The police have been increasingly militarized. They exist to support the people in charge, the government. As a system, they do not support justice. They support the edicts of the governments and uphold laws that are often unjust to begin with.

Most police officers signed up to do good. They didn't plan on getting swept up in someone else's agenda. They're trying to make a good life for themselves and for others.

But one has only to look at sports events across the nation to understand that police are well-equipped to handle large, passionate crowds without resorting to the level of violence they are demonstrating with these protests. They do it all. the. time. The governments of the cities want those sports events to continue. They need them and the revenue they generate. So the police had better damn well make sure they don't turn violent! But things are different with these protests. The protests are about people calling out against the government, and that can't happen

There is most certainly a larger agenda going on. Not only are the protesters being manipulated and infiltrated with thugs intent on promoting and dealing out violence, but the police are being manipulated to respond with violence.

IMO, this whole thing is pitting one side against the other. So the point isn't which side is being manipulated the most, it's who's behind the manipulations and what is their goal. The most obvious goal is to keep people focused on fighting each other, not on the puppet-master pulling the strings on both sides.

[Forest Denizen]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

The first point (about detaining NY rioters and looters) was from former NY Governor George Pataki, in this 3 minute interview yesterday.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=bRLcq16Tpvk

These are just typically biased talking points from a highly biased main stream "News" source. Yes, Fox may be reporting a different slant than the NY Times and other MSM; however, they are as biased as MSNBC, in the other direction.

THE FACT IS several days ago, a New York Supreme Court judge ruled that the police could detain anyone they want, peaceful protesters included, for more than 24 hours, without the former requirement that, by the end of 24 hours, they must have been able to stand before a judge.

This judge is an old friend of certain members of my family. I've met the man. This is factual information.

[Valerie Villars]

There was a protest in New Orleans over George Floyd's death, I believe on Thursday night.

I listened to the local radio talk show while running errands and was astonished at some perceptions and comments from two "news" reporters at that station. One of those reporters is so notoriously stupid, politically correct and uniformed that I usually listen just to remind myself that I am not stupid, by comparison.

My jaw fell to the floor when he started sounding like a "gasp" conspiracy theorist. He caught a few anomalies in the speech of the major speaker and was shocked to realize this person, who later went on to inciting violence and riling up all the good folks with good intentions, was from somewhere else and that this person had an agenda.

What was the agenda? It became apparent later. The agenda was turned from the tragic death of George to, and the curse word is a quote "**** the police, they are all crooked, they do not have your best interest at heart", etc.

What happened to George's plight? It was drowned in tear gas fired by police, after the crowd had been whipped into a murderous frenzy.

[TomKat]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Patient (here)
Please move this post if this is not the right thread.

I just wanted to get it out here into Avalon; there are now piles of bricks that have been dropped off on streets of Toronto, but I am not aware of any planned protests at this point (I have not searched).

There was also an add posted in "Craig's List" for people to protest with aggession - theu are offering $25/hr.

That is appealing to many people who have been out of work. I would imagine that people would try to get paid without having to cause violence. I can see that g many people out in the streets would allow others to operate their aggressive agenda while hiding in the crowd.

Thanks — do you have a scan, a screenshot, or even a regular photo of the Craigslist advert?

This is what's happening, these two together. (At least!)

1. Sponsored, encouraged, orchestrated violence.
2. Harsh and unbalanced criticism of the police, orchestrated in most of the media (in other countries also) — even to the extent of demands for them to be defunded.
   Police, everywhere, are now being demonized right across the board, whatever they do and whoever they are.

It seems like madness — until one sees the agenda.

Two other facts that readers here might not know. All these data points are pieces of a very large jigsaw. Step way back, and you may start to see the picture.

• In New York City, looters and violent rioters cannot be arrested and held. They have to be released after charge, without bail. Sometimes, almost immediately: like, half an hour later.
  The police have to do this. They have no choice. It's NYC law. Then the looters just continue exactly what they were doing, the very same night. They might even be arrested and then released several times over.
  The NYC police are almost powerless to protect their community, many of whom are themselves honest, hardworking, black people trying to run a small business in already difficult times. Their black lives, and livelihoods, don't seem to "matter" at all.

• In Europe, LEGO has withdrawn the sale of all their kits that feature police figures.
  (Yes, you read that right.)

Seems the people who want to take away citizens' guns now see the local police departments as a threat to centralized authority.

This business of catch and release of rioters reminds me of East Germany when the wall came down: suddenly average citizens are successfully challenging the feared Stasi, rummaging through their secret files, etc. That was about the time President George HW Bush re-introduced the world to Hitler's term, New World Order.

[onawah]

Buffalo police brutality incident caused by paid provacateur. See https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1359923

[Patient]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Patient (here)
Please move this post if this is not the right thread.

I just wanted to get it out here into Avalon; there are now piles of bricks that have been dropped off on streets of Toronto, but I am not aware of any planned protests at this point (I have not searched).

There was also an add posted in "Craig's List" for people to protest with aggession - theu are offering $25/hr.

That is appealing to many people who have been out of work. I would imagine that people would try to get paid without having to cause violence. I can see that g many people out in the streets would allow others to operate their aggressive agenda while hiding in the crowd.

Thanks — do you have a scan, a screenshot, or even a regular photo of the Craigslist advert?

This is what's happening, these two together. (At least!)

1. Sponsored, encouraged, orchestrated violence.
2. Harsh and unbalanced criticism of the police, orchestrated in most of the media (in other countries also) — even to the extent of demands for them to be defunded.
   Police, everywhere, are now being demonized right across the board, whatever they do and whoever they are.

It seems like madness — until one sees the agenda.

Two other facts that readers here might not know. All these data points are pieces of a very large jigsaw. Step way back, and you may start to see the picture.

• In New York City, looters and violent rioters cannot be arrested and held. They have to be released after charge, without bail. Sometimes, almost immediately: like, half an hour later.
  The police have to do this. They have no choice. It's NYC law. Then the looters just continue exactly what they were doing, the very same night. They might even be arrested and then released several times over.
  The NYC police are almost powerless to protect their community, many of whom are themselves honest, hardworking, black people trying to run a small business in already difficult times. Their black lives, and livelihoods, don't seem to "matter" at all.

• In Europe, LEGO has withdrawn the sale of all their kits that feature police figures.
  (Yes, you read that right.)

I was shown the Craig's List ad on a friends phone. I did not find it when I searched. My cousin who lives in Toronto told me about piles of bricks, so again no pic.

It seems that the protests in Toronto went through without violence/rioting, as we would usually expect in Canada.

[Chester]

... never mind - its been debunked

[Chester]

@Bill Ryan - apologies, I discovered the image of the tweet is dynamic.

[Bill Ryan]

This is an extremely interesting conversation between Stefan Molyneux and Nick Dial, a former Deputy with a degree in Criminal Justice.

It lasts for an hour and 20 minutes, and a caveat may be needed: it's very very left-brained logical. Between them, they take apart and examine every aspect of what happened, or seems to have happened, prior to and during George Floyd's death.

Those who feel very emotional about the incident might find it tough going. But if there are facts to be considered (and there appear to be many), then those may yet be important.

The key thing is this: it seems to be very possible that a jury, following a tight and well-conducted defense of Derek Chauvin, calling on all the evidence available, may well NOT be able to convict him or the other officers on the current charges.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=8bJOEFlFDo8

[DaveToo]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
This is an extremely interesting conversation between Stefan Molyneux and Nick Dial, a former Deputy with a degree in Criminal Justice.

It lasts for an hour and 20 minutes, and a caveat may be needed: it's very very left-brained logical. Between them, they take apart and examine every aspect of what happened, or seems to have happened, prior to and during George Floyd's death.

Those who feel very emotional about the incident might find it tough going. But if there are facts to be considered (and there appear to be many), then those may yet be important.

The key thing is this: it seems to be very possible that a jury, following a tight and well-conducted defense of Derek Chauvin, calling on all the evidence available, may well NOT be able to convict him or the other officers on the current charges.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=8bJOEFlFDo8

Thanks Bill.
I couldn't bring myself to watch more than 15 minutes of it.

I got where the ex-cop was coming from. I got what Stefan was saying.

Yes, very technical as you said.
But here's the thing (and I'm going to assume that they never touched on this for the rest of the video),

Even if the knee-neck restraint was 'legal' for the police force in Minneapolis, this surely wasn't:

When four police officers and multiple bystander witnesses can clearly hear a person pleading for his life that they can't breathe, for more than 5 minutes, and the force is never relinquished, then you can throw all those other law book excuses out the window.

[happyuk]

https://twitter.com/BanTheBBC/status...14010984849411

I have sympathy for these lads - it's the high ups who are to blame. If these officers believed the high ups had their backs, they'd fight. Them not fighting is a result of decades of the undermining of robust policing by officers like that Bristol bloke - you hit a rioter, you get suspended, IPCC'd, lost your job. It starts at the top.

I'm getting the distinct impression that certain elements would relish a UK George Floyd type of incident which will give the mob their justification in kicking off properly. I think that we should be wary of blanket condemnation because there may be sinister motives at work here.

Plymouth Argyle fans stand guard at the Naval Memorial on Plymouth Hoe - yesterday. Would-be desecrators might get more than they bargained with this lot.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by DaveToo (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
This is an extremely interesting conversation between Stefan Molyneux and Nick Dial, a former Deputy with a degree in Criminal Justice.

It lasts for an hour and 20 minutes, and a caveat may be needed: it's very very left-brained logical. Between them, they take apart and examine every aspect of what happened, or seems to have happened, prior to and during George Floyd's death.

Those who feel very emotional about the incident might find it tough going. But if there are facts to be considered (and there appear to be many), then those may yet be important.

The key thing is this: it seems to be very possible that a jury, following a tight and well-conducted defense of Derek Chauvin, calling on all the evidence available, may well NOT be able to convict him or the other officers on the current charges.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=8bJOEFlFDo8

Thanks Bill.
I couldn't bring myself to watch more than 15 minutes of it.

I got where the ex-cop was coming from. I got what Stefan was saying.

Yes, very technical as you said.
But here's the thing (and I'm going to assume that they never touched on this for the rest of the video),

Even if the knee-neck restraint was 'legal' for the police force in Minneapolis, this surely wasn't:

When four police officers and multiple bystander witnesses can clearly hear a person pleading for his life that they can't breathe, for more than 5 minutes, and the force is never relinquished, then you can throw all those other law book excuses out the window.

Nope, listen to the whole thing.

[Billy]

Minneapolis lawmakers vow to disband police department in historic move

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...e-george-floyd

City council members declare intent to ‘abolish’ embattled agency and replace with alternative model in wake of George Floyd’s killing.

The Minneapolis city council has pledged to disband the city’s police department and replace it with a new system of public safety, a historic move that comes as calls to defund law enforcement are sweeping the US.

Speaking at a community rally on Sunday, a veto-proof majority of councilmembers declared their intent to “dismantle” and “abolish” the embattled police agency responsible for George Floyd’s death – and build an alternative model of community-led safety. The decision is a direct response to the massive protests that have taken over American cities in the last two weeks, and is a major victory for abolitionist activists who have long fought to disband police and prisons.

“In Minneapolis and in cities across the US, it is clear that our system of policing is not keeping our communities safe,” said Lisa Bender, the Minneapolis city council president, at the event. “Our efforts at incremental reform have failed, period. Our commitment is to do what’s necessary to keep every single member of our community safe and to tell the truth: that the Minneapolis police are not doing that. Our commitment is to end policing as we know it and to recreate systems of public safety that actually keep us safe.”

Nine councilmembers announced their support and represent a supermajority on the twelve-person council, meaning the mayor, who earlier this weekend opposed disbanding the department, cannot override them. The remaining three councilmembers are broadly supportive of the effort as well, but weren’t ready to sign on, activists said. While the mayor has oversight over the police, the city council has authority over the budget and policy, and could work to dismantle the department through cuts and ordinances.

The formal effort to abolish a major-city police department in America and replace it with a different model of safety would have been unthinkable even weeks ago and is a testament to the impact of the protests that began with Floyd’s death on 25 May. The unarmed 46-year-old was killed by Minneapolis police when an officer kneeled on his neck for nearly nine minutes as he pleaded for him to stop. Four officers now face criminal charges.

“This is a moment that’s going to go down in history as a landmark in the police and prison abolition movement,” said Tony Williams, a member of MPD150, a Minneapolis group whose literature on building a “police-free future” has been widely shared during the protests. “There’s a groundswell of support for this. People are grounded in the history of policing in a way that has never happened before. It’s visible that police are not able to create safety for communities.”

The councilmembers are expected to face opposition from law enforcement officials and the police union, though activists emphasize that the veto-proof majority has the authority to move forward regardless of opposition.

“It’s pretty clear the political will is here, and they can’t stop it,” said Williams, noting that even if police officers opposed the move, a vast majority of them live outside of Minneapolis and can’t vote on their elected leaders.

Spokespeople for the Minneapolis mayor did not immediately respond to inquiries Sunday. The police department declined to comment.

After Minneapolis’ mayor, Jacob Frey, wouldn’t commit to abolishing the police at a demonstration on Saturday, protesters shouted, “Go home, Jacob!” and “Shame!” until he left. Minneapolis is also home to a powerful union leader who has aggressively resisted any reforms to the department despite the agency’s history of racial abuse.

Lawmakers and advocates across the US will likely be closely watching what happens next in Minneapolis. It’s unclear how quickly this process could move, and what the transition could look like. Supporters are pushing for the council to start with taking money away from the police budget and investing in other government departments, social services and programs, while launching a community process for creating alternative systems.

An alternative safety model, advocates say, can start with finding “non-police solutions to the problems poor people face”, such as counselors responding to mental health calls and addiction experts responding to drug abuse.

Like many US municipalities, Minneapolis was already facing a budget shortfall due to the Covid-19 crisis, and defunding police could help address some of those gaps. There are a handful of examples of governments disbanding troubled local police agencies in the US over the years, though the authorities have had other regional law enforcement entities take over policing.

Read more here:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...e-george-floyd

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Billy (here)
Minneapolis lawmakers vow to disband police department in historic move

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...e-george-floyd

These escalating, emotionally-driven over-reactions are really just showing how malleable people are, all over the world. It seems so, so easy for orchestrated media campaigns to direct public opinion any way that's desired by whoever's telling the media what to promote.

What's happening is a kind of media-fueled, directed hysteria. It really is. I don't care what anyone's reaction might be to that statement. It doesn't stop it from being accurate.

This is psychological warfare. We're all dead-center in the middle of it now.

It would take a very long post indeed to list out all the anomalies, historical errors, logical flaws, and huge omissions in focus on 1001 iniquities, injustices, prejudices, and oppression of all kinds of people, of any culture at all, all over the world. It's the hyped news cycle of the moment. There are at least a thousand more untold stories, and maybe 100 times than number.

[fractal being]

Banksy's take on this. As always brilliant and to the point.



At first I thought I should just shut up and listen to black people about this issue.
"But why would I do that? It's not their problem, it's mine."

"People of colour are being failed by the system. The white system. Like a broken pipe flooding the apartment of the people living downstairs. The faulty system is making their life a misery, but it's not their job to fix it. They can't - no one will let them in the apartment upstairs.

"This is a white problem. And if white people don't fix it, someone will have to come upstairs and kick the door in."


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[Ernie Nemeth]

So where are white liberals supposed to turn to when their party has been subverted by fanatics and we are not welcome anymore? We, I guess, have to be labelled racist conservatives, right? Isn't that racist?

[Adi]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Billy (here)
Minneapolis lawmakers vow to disband police department in historic move

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...e-george-floyd

These escalating, emotionally-driven over-reactions are really just showing how malleable people are, all over the world. It seems so, so easy for orchestrated media campaigns to direct public opinion any way that's desired by whoever's telling the media what to promote.

What's happening is a kind of media-fueled, directed hysteria. It really is. I don't care what anyone's reaction might be to that statement. It doesn't stop it from being accurate.

This is psychological warfare. We're all dead-center in the middle of it now.

It would take a very long post indeed to list out all the anomalies, historical errors, logical flaws, and huge omissions in focus on 1001 iniquities, injustices, prejudices, and oppression of all kinds of people, of any culture at all, all over the world. It's the hyped news cycle of the moment. There are at least a thousand more untold stories, and maybe 100 times than number.

Couldn’t agree more with this take on the situation. People are showing how easily guided they have become, and willing to accept without question the stream of information generated from media organisations and public figures who fashion the present status quo. The virtue signalling is becoming nauseating at this stage. It is hard at times to sit back and observe how utterly blind people are to actual facts and wider perspective of the circumstances of the reality surrounding events.

Who ever or whatever is responsible for Orchestrating current events; they are not facing significant difficulty in implementing their agendas.

[Gemma13]

WTF are they teaching our next generation.

". . . from a place of privilege... and I think we need to step back and imagine what it would already feel like to live in that reality"

https://mobile.twitter.com/DonaldJTr...12163411914752

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Gemma13 (here)
WTF are they teaching our next generation.

". . . from a place of privilege... and I think we need to step back and imagine what it would already feel like to live in that reality"

https://mobile.twitter.com/DonaldJTr...12163411914752

For future readers of the forum looking back on this complex event in their history, there was a memorial service to George Floyd today.

I can't know how those future readers will see this, and how things will have moved and morphed in the meantime. But right now we're witnessing hasty political opportunism, virtue signaling that's orders of magnitude greater than anything we've seen before, a whole mountain of illogical craziness, hypocrisy and double standards of every imaginable kind, and an enormous juggernaut of relentless, steamroller emotional manipulation coming from almost every direction.

It's pretty extraordinary to watch this all play out. I'm very much hoping that in a few months from now, a little perspective and balance may have been regained.

But we may have to wait and see how long it takes for people to start to remember (or notice!) everything else in a dysfunctional world that also urgently needs attention, protest and change, but is VERY unlikely to ever get it unless whoever's directing the media worldwide decides to allow it and steer us all in that new direction.

[Philippe]

From the Health Ranger :

FALSE FLAG ALERT: Obama Foundation tweeted about George Floyd on May 17th, a week before his supposed murder

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-06-...rge-floyd.html

Before we conclude the murder is a false flag, can a tech savvy person explain how such tweet could come about ? Is it a glitch or can a message be anti-dated ? And if yes what could be the purpose to do so? Maybe an overzealous operator at Twitter who decided to paste a poster of Floyd in older tweets? Or is it really a false flag operation and provocation?