What's wrong with me? I've shunned all fear porn about the killer virus

[Delight]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
HOWEVER — it's being used as a control and manipulation vehicle, 100% for sure.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=kbz75QjJl-U

[DaveToo]

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)

And of course, they have pooled all of this under the one C 19 heading. i have an agency friend who told me this years influenza is a tough one. so the usual 100 thou and more will die from it. That leaves yearly pnemonia and C 19 to make up the rest. Run the numbers, it just doesn't work . To shut the world down?? "March in step", now that makes sense.

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Neither. (I pay no attention to the mainstream media.)

I follow Chris Martenson closely. His video channel is here. I've watched every one of his 150 videos since the third week of January. When it comes to the science, and the statistics, and all the various reports from reliable medical sources, I'd take his research over that of everyone else combined.

It's never wise to put all your eggs in one basket.

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
But it's a real virus, and can be serious for some people — not necessarily just for those with comorbidities. .

Because so many 'Covid' deaths have been comorbidities, they have impinged on many other death statistics.
The simple way to take care of that problem is to look at total deaths.

I have done that for the U.S. I have looked at the total deaths in the U.S. for the past five years.

If Covid was really a big deal in the U.S., really a killer virus, you would expect it to have wiped out a huge chunk of the population.
This year we are seeing only a 5.5% increase in the number of deaths in the U.S. !!!

That is truly remarkable. Millions haven't died. There aren't 10 or 20 times as many deaths this year compared to previous years.
There aren't even twice as many deaths this year. There aren't even 50% more deaths than previous years.
Nor even 25% or 10% more deaths this year than previous years!

TB and pneumonia on the other hand, both pandemic infectious diseases that occur each and every year, kill far more people than Covid has. But they aren't NEW diseases so they aren't sexy, media attention-grabbing, fear inducing pandemics.

There are big agendas at play here. Make no mistake about it. And always remember that the MSM are simply the mouthpieces of those with the agendas.

[greybeard]

There is some thing wrong with you if you believe this fear porn
And there is a push for the need to take the next flu shot.
Chris

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronaviru...023000887.html

Coronavirus warning from Italy: Effects of COVID-19 could be worse than first thought
Stuart Ramsay, chief correspondent
Sky News

The long-term effects of COVID-19, even on people who suffered a mild infection, could be far worse than was originally anticipated, according to researchers and doctors in northern Italy.

Psychosis, insomnia, kidney disease, spinal infections, strokes, chronic tiredness and mobility issues are being identified in former coronavirus patients in Lombardy, the worst-affected region in the country.

The doctors warn that some victims may never recover from the illness and that all age groups are vulnerable.

The virus is a systemic infection that affects all the organs of the body, not, as was previously thought, just a respiratory disease, they say.

Some people may find that their ability to properly work, to concentrate, and even to take part in physical activities will be severely impaired.

The physicians warn that people who do not consider themselves in a vulnerable group and aren't concerned at contracting the disease could be putting themselves in danger of life-changing illnesses if they ignore the rules to keep safe.

They stress that the need for social distancing, hand washing, and masks is as important now as it ever was.

The warnings come amid growing concerns in northern Italy that a second wave of the virus could be imminent. Doctors in two of the main hospitals in the region have reported a handful of new cases of severely ill people with respiratory problems.

Dr Roberto Cosentini, head of emergencies at Papa Giovanni XXIII Hospital in Bergamo, oversaw the response to the virus that swept through this alpine province claiming the lives of at least 6,000 people.

He gave Sky News unprecedented access to the hospital's emergency rooms in March when the first shocking effects of the virus were broadcast around the world, changing perceptions of the scale of the problem.

Now he is leading efforts to again send a warning across the globe that COVID-19 is a lethal killer that affects the whole body, and is not going away.

"At first, initially, we thought it was a bad flu, then we thought it was a bad flu with a very bad pneumonia, it was the phase when you came here, but subsequently we discovered that it is a systemic illness with vessel damage in the whole body with renal involvement, cerebral involvement," he told me in the now silent COVID-19 emergency room that was overwhelmed a few months ago.

"So we are seeing other acute manifestations of renal failure that require dialysis; or stroke, and then acute myocardial infarction, so a lot of complications or other manifestations of the virus.

"And also now we see a significant proportion of the population with chronic damage from the virus."

One of the few positives emerging from the pandemic that caused havoc to the health service here was the creation of a unique environment where doctors and experts in different fields found themselves working together for months, effectively learning new skills. That co-operation is helping the understanding of the virus.

Dr Emanuela Catenacci is a neurosurgeon at Cremona Hospital and when we first met her in March she had been co-opted to work on the intensive care wards during the worst of the outbreak.

She is back on neurology, but crucially, whereas in the past she would have treated patients completely independent of other departments, now she can see the link. That link is COVID-19, and it's a multi-organ killer.

"In our hospital now we have a practice with immunologists, who are checking these patients, especially the most severe, those with the most severe illnesses, and they are checking not only lungs, but all the systemic manifestations of COVID pathology," she told me.

"The virus is a systemic infection, some of our apparatus organs have the biggest manifestation, such as lungs as we know, but also brain, skin, and sometimes we have vasculitis, so it's not [just] high respiratory or low respiratory infection, it's not finished [at] that," she said.

The Italian doctors' findings in their patients mirror a recent study carried out at University College London.

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Researchers identified serious neurological complications arising from COVID-19 including delirium, brain inflammation, stroke and nerve damage in 43 people aged 16 to 85.

Some of the patients had experienced no severe breathing problems at all, with the neurological disorder being the first and only sign that they had coronavirus.

An intensive testing and follow up analysis of all survivors has been launched in Bergamo. Teams of doctors examine those who have recovered on a constant basis, trying to track the changing properties of the virus.

Filippo Alcaini, 65, is one of the survivors being tested.

He was intubated in February after becoming severely ill, but recovered. He has been COVID-19-free for four months but he still has problems breathing and has periods of severe exhaustion. He accepts his ongoing condition, but sends a clear warning to people to take care not to catch the virus under any circumstances.

"To those who don't respect the rules, I wish they could have a week of what I felt, a week of feeling as bad as I have been," he told me.

"Perhaps then they understand that they cannot underestimate the many warnings and mandatory rules we have been given."

The doctors carrying out the follow-up and testing programme say they simply do not know enough about the virus to predict what is going to happen next.

"It's something very different, that changes the body of the patient," Dr Gianluca Imeri explained to me.

"We've also seen forms of asthma develop after coronavirus infections. We for sure know the damage of coronavirus is caused by inflammation, and asthma and other respiratory diseases are inflammatory diseases, and there are also some inflammatory diseases in our body that can be developed and triggered by coronavirus.

"Simple coronavirus pneumonia is something that patients will recover completely from, from a radiological point of view, but probably the biggest change is inflammation. I mean, we have seen inflammation in all of their bodies, vascular systems, and respiratory systems, so we think we have to tackle inflammation in these patients even when they recover from the acute phase of the disease."

So little is known of the virus that any long-term planning is guess work.

Doctors believe that even the youngest and mildest infected are at risk of their lives being changed forever, and it could take years to become apparent. Whole workforces could become less productive as a consequence.

The advice from Italy is simple: Don't get infected.

[XelNaga]

Posted by DaveToo (here)
Am I crazy?
Am I suicidal?

Since the very beginning of the pandemic I have shunned all TV and MSM fear porn about the killer virus.

I have three university degrees, so someone can't claim I am uneducated.

Why do I have no fear when I am out and about in the public?
Why do I see no need to wear a face mask?
Why do I ignore markers on the floor for social distancing and directions to follow in store aisles?
Why do I not cower and keep a distance as others approach me when I walk?

What's wrong with me?
Does anyone know?

There is nothing wrong with you my friend. I would say that everything is more than alright with you.

You see through all the lies, manipulations and b.s. This whole thing is just a scam.

I'm the same like you in this regard, don't wear a mask, not avoiding people and damn sure have no fear to shake hands with someone.

Without any intention of being insulting to anyone, I would say that those people who are afraid and who wear masks are the crazy and suicidal ones.

[TomKat]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
I follow Chris Martenson closely. His video channel is here. I've watched every one of his 150 videos since the third week of January. When it comes to the science, and the statistics, and all the various reports from reliable medical sources, I'd take his research over that of everyone else combined.

Martenson is highly critical of the media, the WHO, the Fed, and the HCQ studies that have been designed to fail. He's also personally certain the virus has been engineered (and he explains why, in great detail). He's one of the brightest people on YouTube.

I checked out Martenson's youtube channel, and he's relying on the mainstream media for his information.

I suspect there is a covid virus, but it's not airborne and doesn't spread easily. Nobody has done, or will do, a study, but I suspect almost all the PCR positives are from people who have had flu shots.

I wouldn't be surprised to find that people who are publicly sceptical about covid, like Boris Johnson, are given the real covid virus, if they can be gotten to. With over 12k different intelligence agencies in the US alone, it's possible some have agents in the field promoting covid panic in this way.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by TomKat (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
I follow Chris Martenson closely. His video channel is here. I've watched every one of his 150 videos since the third week of January. When it comes to the science, and the statistics, and all the various reports from reliable medical sources, I'd take his research over that of everyone else combined.

Martenson is highly critical of the media, the WHO, the Fed, and the HCQ studies that have been designed to fail. He's also personally certain the virus has been engineered (and he explains why, in great detail). He's one of the brightest people on YouTube.

I checked out Martenson's youtube channel, and he's relying on the mainstream media for his information.

No, he's not. He cites scientific papers frequently. His videos are a digest of the most significant reports, including many that are easy for most to miss. And he's highly skeptical of the mainstream media's role in distorting or falsifying information.

[wondering]

Chris, I am sorry to see this posted here, even to say it is fear porn. Why take up so much space for fear porn. I am appalled by it. Diane

[greybeard]

Posted by wondering (here)
Chris, I am sorry to see this posted here, even to say it is fear porn. Why take up so much space for fear porn. I am appalled by it. Diane

Ok I wont do it again Dianne.
I suppose I posted it in part because Bill implied we have a belief system here.
Im open minded -- I guess we have to see the other side of the story to fully realise what we are up against.
Apologies Chris

[Delight]

Posted by greybeard (here)

Posted by wondering (here)
Chris, I am sorry to see this posted here, even to say it is fear porn. Why take up so much space for fear porn. I am appalled by it. Diane

Ok I wont do it again Dianne.
I suppose I posted it in part because Bill implied we have a belief system here.
Im open minded -- I guess we have to see the other side of the story to fully realise what we are up against.
Apologies Chris

So far, I have not met anyone who has anyone who has died or even HAD covid and yet we are told that even those with mild cases are having horrible consequences and this report is from Italy which is an epicenter of forced vaccination.

BECAUSE so many are using "social responsibility" to excuse forced masks, mandatory vaccination and even incarceration, in the LIGHT of no personal experience, I would say:

"There is some thing wrong with you if you believe this" WITHOUT extraordinary proof.

Whom do YOU know who is representative of being affected by this extraordinary disease? What in the daily life YOU SEE demands loss of "life as we have lived" IN GENERAL to suit a projected (but not happening) degree of loss of life in particular? Should we all be BELIEVING this is true when we have seen no evidence that what is said is so???

The answer is "Yes we should believe and fear for others abstract danger to be "socially responsible". I think there IS something wrong when people think critiques are wrong. Does _____ have your interests in mind when she shames you for daring to doubt?

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by greybeard (here)
I suppose I posted it in part because Bill implied we have a belief system here.

Nope, not quite. This is what I wrote:

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
We're in the territory of belief systems now.

What that meant — and I should have been more precise — is that some (but not all) members appear to have a belief system about all this, which they feel the need to defend, or persuade others to adopt, by endlessly posting articles or videos that support their viewpoint.

Some of them (including yourself, Chris), post FAR more than almost anyone else. (I rarely post about this now myself.)

And as I shared here, the issues involved are complex, because there are two major factors at play here:

1. Facts, or research-based evidence, about the virus. (Yes, it's a real thing. I've lost count of how many times I've explained that since January.)
2. Ideological, value-based opinions about the various regulations, controls, recommendations, and mandates — and this is a totally different thing. And yes, that's all very important. I don't dismiss any of that in the least.

The problems start when people start posting bad science to support their opinions about the agendas at play (and of course, those are real, too), and important issues about personal freedoms.

So it's all a combo of individual free choice, assessment of and response to personal risk, and social responsibility to others. That's not an easy circle to square. None of those line up neatly.

It's entirely possible to have

• A nasty virus on the loose, AND
• Real issues about individual rights and social responsibilities.

In my opinion, there's been VERY little intelligent, nuanced discussion bearing in mind ALL these non-aligning factors. Most people currently posting have a values-based position.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Bill.

I have run up against this myself and conceded that there is most likely some kind of virus or something. It does seem to affect some people far more than most others. It may not be as related to age and co-morbidity as we thought at first.

So where is it? And how many are affected? Is it more deadly than the seasonal flu? Why are our hospitals empty? Why? Why? Why?

Even if there is a pandemic, why are we waiting for a vaccine? It is so hardly infectious and barely lethal that it makes more sense to go for herd immunity quickly. Isolate the at risk groups but the rest go about business as usual. To wait for a vaccine makes no sense to me, especially if the authorities have no clear understanding of this bug in the first place. Don't need to understand it, is that it, just splice some stuff together to target a particular spike on a particular virus and hope for the best?

It is the fear that I would address, and the panic. The media sensationalizes any little thing, but without any investigative reporting, what is the value in that?

With the above in mind what should the focus then be?

[greybeard]

I tend to post expert fact rather than my own opinion Dr Rashid for example.
I dont have a fixed opinion as the dust is still falling.

I would rather that David Icke is wrong and its just a conspiracy theory but I have the suspicion that he is right.

All the Drs videos that have been pulled from u tube lends strength to what is being said by these Drs.
Which is that the mortality rate is no worse than season flu -- its different but every year the flu is different.

However its just possible that this winter will see an "advanced" version which will be more deadly--- they want to keep us on the hook.

Their swan song is "Get the inoculation" -- be it flu jab or vaccine and all will be well.
They are also saying that the vaccine might not be long lasting and will have to be repeated.

Yes I post a lot on this subject and perhaps I have too much time in my hands but the information is evolving -- its not ground hog day as far as what I post. We are at war--a spiritual war - and this is my way not acquiescing.
What I post tends to give hope and reduce fear at least that is my intention.

Chris

Ps some of these people who post their videos are aware that their life is at stake --as is their livelihood out of respect for them I listen to their expert knowledge.
They are invariably at the coal face --seeing patients -- in the deep end --they have first hand information, experience.
We are getting hit night and day with coronavirus media information -- I turn on local wireless to hear music and within moments its Corona in my face.
In order to counter this propaganda I listen to spiritual talks, meditate and post relevant videos

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
Bill.

I have run up against this myself and conceded that there is most likely some kind of virus or something. It does seem to affect some people far more than most others. It may not be as related to age and co-morbidity as we thought at first.

So where is it? And how many are affected? Is it more deadly than the seasonal flu? Why are our hospitals empty? Why? Why? Why?

Even if there is a pandemic, why are we waiting for a vaccine? It is so hardly infectious and barely lethal that it makes more sense to go for herd immunity quickly. Isolate the at risk groups but the rest go about business as usual. To wait for a vaccine makes no sense to me, especially if the authorities have no clear understanding of this bug in the first place. Don't need to understand it, is that it, just splice some stuff together to target a particular spike on a particular virus and hope for the best?

It is the fear that I would address, and the panic. The media sensationalizes any little thing, but without any investigative reporting, what is the value in that?

With the above in mind what should the focus then be?

Many thanks, Ernie — just a few points here in response.

It's all confusing — still. That's why (I suspect) many people feel they have to adopt a limited but fairly rigid position. It's hard work being blown around by (and having to reconcile) so much differing information!

There's a lot that's not yet understood:

• Why children hardly seem to be affected.
• Why some young-ish people, healthy as jumping beans, get hit really hard.
• Why some people can get it twice. (This is now confirmed.)
• Why there can be persisting neurological issues. The mechanisms are unknown. (Lung damage, too, and other lasting serious issues, but those are better understood.)
• Why some people develop antibodies while others don't, and why those antibodies don't seem to [necessarily] prevent a recurrence of the virus.

There's a lot of downright dishonesty:

• The faking of numbers and falsifying of death certificates.
• HCQ studies that have been outright designed to fail.
• The media campaign against HCQ. (Which all the real evidence suggests is safe, cheap and effective.)
• The TOTAL SILENCE from any medical authorities, anywhere, of anything whatsoever to do with the ability of each person to strengthen and support their own immune system. (This is such an enormous red flag it's hard to describe its size. )

What I think we know:

• It originated outside of China. (It's now been confirmed in Barcelona in March 2019, long before Wuhan.)
• It's engineered. 100% for sure. Personally, I very strongly suspect it was released as a weapon, even if not initially designed as such, and China has been framed.
• Whether opportunistic or planned, its advent is DEFINITELY being used to further a host of global control agendas.
• There's now a more serious strain on the loose, called D614G.
• It's not a respiratory disease, it's a blood-clotting disease.
• The results of antibody tests are conflicting and confusing. But the significance of these so far seems to suggest that no vaccine may actually work. (It might be like the common cold, changing all the time: so no resistance, or vaccine, may be possible.)
• The WHO is either incompetent, criminally complicit, or both.
• Some ICUs really do seem to be near-empty. But certainly not all. The wife of a friend of mine here is a nurse, and reports that the ICU is at full capacity where she works. She can be trusted.
• Fauci and Gates cannot be trusted (at all).

What I additionally strongly suspect:

• The conflict, lack of preparedness, disorganization, and sheer chaos in the US from January onwards has been deliberately engineered to add more pressure to the failing social system there, and to attack Trump indirectly. It's all too neat. (At least!)

What I'm worried about:

• Something else very major will happen, or become visible, before November.

[Gwin Ru]

Here is another one that's truly chilling: Antibodies dwindle down to none after a few months... which means that vaccines are useless (their main purported job being that they help generate antibodies) and as useless are the passports or immunity certificates, etc. and, furthermore, it leaves little hope for groups - small or large - to ever achieve any kind of herd immunity unless constantly re-triggered into asymptomatic infections:


Scientists Discover That The One Big Assumption That Everyone Has Been Making About COVID-19 May Be Dead Wrong

IWB July 13, 2020
by Michael Snyder

Over the past several months, there has been a tremendous amount of debate about almost every aspect of the COVID-19 pandemic. People have been eager to debate about the severity of the virus, they have been eager to debate about the wisdom of the lockdowns, and they have been eager to debate about the effectiveness of wearing masks. But the one thing that everyone could pretty much agree on is that eventually this pandemic would end. Virtually all of us assumed that one way or another eventually most of the population would develop COVID-19 antibodies and that once we got to that point the pandemic would fizzle out. Unfortunately, it appears that was not a safe assumption to make.

Yes, those that have had COVID-19 do develop antibodies.

But two new scientific studies have discovered that those antibodies start to fade very, very quickly.

For example, a study that was recently conducted in China found that more than 90 percent of COVID-19 patients experience steep declines in COVID-19 antibodies “within 2 to 3 months”…

A new study from China showed that antibodies faded quickly in both asymptomatic and symptomatic COVID-19 patients during convalescence, raising questions about whether the illness leads to any lasting immunity to the virus afterward.

The study, which focused on 37 asymptomatic and 37 symptomatic patients, showed that more than 90% of both groups showed steep declines in levels of SARS-COV-2–specific immunoglobulin G (IgG) antibodies within 2 to 3 months after onset of infection, according to a report published yesterday in Nature Medicine. Further, 40% of the asymptomatic group tested negative for IgG antibodies 8 weeks after they were released from isolation.

And a very large study that was just conducted in Spain found that some patients that had initially successfully developed antibodies “no longer had antibodies weeks later”…

A large study from Spain showed that antibodies can disappear weeks after people have tested positive, causing some to question how possible it will be to attain herd immunity.

A study published in medical journal Lancet showed 14% of people who tested positive for antibodies no longer had antibodies weeks later.

Needless to say, this is absolutely devastating news, and it has very serious implications for vaccine development…

Such findings have implications for vaccine development, since the efficacy of a vaccine hinges on the idea that a dose of weakened or dead virus can prompt your body to generate antibodies that protect you from future infection. If those antibodies are fleeting, a vaccine’s protection would be fleeting too.

Short-lived antibodies also diminish hopes of achieving widespread or permanent herd immunity.

If antibodies can fade in some patients within weeks, and if just about everyone loses them after a few months, that would render any vaccine almost completely useless.

And if these findings are confirmed, we can pretty much forget about ever achieving “herd immunity”.

Instead, we are potentially facing a future in which COVID-19 will be with us permanently, and people will need to understand that there is a possibility that they will be able to get infected repeatedly.

Sadly, there is evidence that this is already starting to happen for some patients. In a recent article for Vox, a doctor in Washington D.C. named D. Clay Ackerly shared that one of his patients got infected with COVID-19 again three months after being infected the first time…

“Wait. I can catch Covid twice?” my 50-year-old patient asked in disbelief. It was the beginning of July, and he had just tested positive for SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19, for a second time — three months after a previous infection.

And in that same article, Dr. Ackerly explained that other doctors are starting to see similar cases….

Recent reports and conversations with physician colleagues suggest my patient is not alone. Two patients in New Jersey, for instance, appear to have contracted Covid-19 a second time almost two months after fully recovering from their first infection. Daniel Griffin, a physician and researcher at Columbia in New York, recently described a case of presumed reinfection on the This Week in Virology podcast.

If you stop and really think about what all of this means, it will chill you to the core.
It means that COVID-19 is never going away.

And every time you get it, the more severe it is likely to be. Each time it will do even more permanent damage to your system until it finally finishes you off.

I seriously wish that what I was telling you was not true. I do not want to have to worry about a potentially deadly virus every time I leave my house.

But sticking our heads in the sand and pretending that everything is going to be okay somehow is not going to do us any good.

In fact, denial can kill you.

A 37-year-old Ohio man named Richard Rose originally thought that all of the fuss about COVID-19 was just “hype”, and he angrily insisted that he would never buy a mask. The following is what he posted on Facebook on April 28th…

‘Let make this clear,’ he wrote, in a post that was shared 10,000 times.

‘I’m not buying a ******* mask. I’ve made it this far by not buying into that damn hype.’

Sadly, he eventually got infected, and COVID-19 killed him on July 3rd…

Richard Rose, a 37-year-old man from Port Clinton, Ohio, recently died from coronavirus after slamming “hype” about the pandemic on Facebook.

Rose’s family told Cleveland CBS affiliate 19 News the US Army veteran died at home on July 3, just three days after testing positive for COVID-19.

He was a healthy 37-year-old man.

If the virus can take him down, it could potentially take just about anyone down.

So please take this pandemic seriously.

Over the past week, we have seen daily numbers soar to levels that we have never seen before, and some experts believe that the numbers will continue to go higher as we approach the end of the year.

And as I just discussed above, if those that have had the virus quickly lose immunity, there will be nothing to stop this virus from sweeping across the globe year after year.

Needless to say, a lot more scientific studies need to be conducted, and hopefully those additional studies will show that the studies that were done in China and Spain were completely wrong.

But at this point the outlook for fighting this virus is exceedingly bleak, and scientists assure us that it is just a matter of time before a pandemic that is even worse comes along.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Gwin Ru (here)
Antibodies dwindle down to none after a few months... which means that vaccines are useless (their main purported job being that they help generate antibodies) and as useless are the passports or immunity certificates, etc. and, furthermore, it leaves little hope for groups - small or large - to ever achieve any kind of herd immunity unless constantly re-triggered into asymptomatic infections:

Scientists Discover That The One Big Assumption That Everyone Has Been Making About COVID-19 May Be Dead Wrong

Gwin, thank you.... not good news, but I'd NOT read that, and it fully supports several of the assertions I made in my multi-point personal post just above.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Gwin Ru, quoting Michael Snyder (here)

If those that have had the virus quickly lose immunity, there will be nothing to stop this virus from sweeping across the globe year after year.

Actually, that's not technically accurate. Some may celebrate this note below, while others may be dismayed.

That's because if the R0 can be held <1, then it'll eventually die out by being unable to spread efficiently to others. But that (of course) requires a lot of well-organized NPIs (non-pharmaceutical interventions), a summary acronym for all the ways of stopping it from being spread from one person to others.

And that's where the conflicts of personal interest — for lack of a better term! — lie.

[Satori]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Gwin Ru (here)
Antibodies dwindle down to none after a few months... which means that vaccines are useless (their main purported job being that they help generate antibodies) and as useless are the passports or immunity certificates, etc. and, furthermore, it leaves little hope for groups - small or large - to ever achieve any kind of herd immunity unless constantly re-triggered into asymptomatic infections:

Scientists Discover That The One Big Assumption That Everyone Has Been Making About COVID-19 May Be Dead Wrong

Gwin, thank you.... not good news, but I'd NOT read that, and it fully supports several of the assertions I made in my multi-point personal post just above.

To my way of thinking, if what is contained in this article proves to be accurate, then social distancing, masks, etc... are a colossal waste of time and effort, providing only a relatively brief respite from the inevitable death of most of us.

The measures foisted upon us supposedly designed to prevent exposure to “covid 19 disease” are but a false sense of security at best.

So, go out and live each day as if it was your last. It may just be. If you believe the pitch in the article.

[Constance]

Back to the question of the children.

Why are our children so little affected by what is happening?

What is it about a childs immune system that is different to an adults?

Why should there be any difference?

What is it that we don't yet know or understand about nature?

I ask these questions purely for contemplation and they are rhetorical in their nature.

[TomKat]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
It's engineered. 100% for sure. Personally, I very strongly suspect it was released as a weapon, even if not initially designed as such, and China has been framed.

Last night's Coast radio had Dr. Eric Haseltine, formerly of the CIA. Discussing covid, "his information indicates that the COVID-19 virus is "not manmade" because the research indicates that it has "none of the hallmarks of a bioweapon," such as the way it mutates and its structure."

When he failed to mention gain-of-function research, I turned him off. They can say there's no genetic evidence it was made in a lab, but that isn't how it's done!

[Catsquotl]

Posted by DaveToo (here)
Am I crazy?

Does anyone know?

Stark raving mad.