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    https://twitter.com/charlesfowler/st...174230528?s=20





    https://twitter.com/randb176/status/...525166595?s=20



    https://twitter.com/GusSkarlis/statu...231174661?s=20




    https://twitter.com/Dick71224996/sta...017167872?s=20





    (older but relevant info I think)

    https://www.dw.com/en/frankfurt-used...aks/a-37841830


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    Frankfurt used as remote hacking base for the CIA: WikiLeaks

    WikiLeaks documents reveal CIA agents were given cover identities and diplomatic passports to enter the country. The base was used to develop hacking tools as part of the CIA's massive digital arsenal.

    WikiLeaks released a trove of CIA documents on Tuesday that it claimed revealed details of its secret hacking arsenal.

    The release included 8,761 documents that it claimed revealed details of "malware, viruses, trojans, weaponized 'zero day' exploits, malware remote control systems and associated documentation."

    The leaks purportedly revealed that a top secret CIA unit used the German city of Frankfurt am Main as the starting point for numerous hacking attacks on Europe, China and the Middle East.

    Frankfurt base

    WikiLeaks reported that the group developed trojans and other malicious software in the American Consulate General Office, the largest US consulate in the world. The programs focused on targets in Europe, the Middle East and Africa.

    The documents revealed that CIA experts worked in the building under cover and included advice for life in Germany.

    "Do not leave anything electronic or sensitive unattended in your room," it told employees, also advising them to enjoy Lufthansa's free alcohol "in moderation."

    The Frankfurt hackers, part of the Center for Cyber Intelligence Europe, were said to be given diplomatic passports and a State Department identity. It instructed employees how to safely enter Germany. A WikiLeaks tweet published an section of the Frankfurt information.

    The consulate was the focus of a German investigation into US intelligence capabilities following the 2013 revelation that NSA agents had tapped Chancellor Angela Merkel's phone.

    German daily "Süddeutsche Zeitung" reported the building was known to be home to a vast network of intelligence personnel including CIA agents, NSA spies, military secret service personnel, Department of Homeland Security employees and Secret Service employees. It reported the Americans had also established a dense network of outposts and shell companies in Frankfurt.

    Televisions turned into bugs

    An intelligence expert who examined the dump, Rendition Infosec founder Jake Williams, told news agency Associated Press the documents appeared legitimate.

    Bob Ayers, a retired US intelligence official currently working as a security analyst told AP the release was "real bad" for the agency.

    Jonathan Liu, a spokesman for the CIA, told AP: "We do not comment on the authenticity or content of purported intelligence documents."

    According to WikiLeaks the documents revealed that the CIA could remotely activate certain Samsung smart televisions equipped with cameras and microphones to turn them into bugs.

    Smartphones hacked

    WikiLeaks also claimed that if the CIA had hacked a cell phone, it could then bypass encryption methods used by popular chat programs such as Whatsapp, Telegram, Signal and Confide. This prompted some concern at first online that all such messaging "Apps" were no longer effectively encrypted - but the exploit only applied to people whose phones are already compromised. According to the leaks, the CIA has undocumented exploits on popular smartphone models.

    In a series of tweets NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden said deliberately leaving vulnerabilities in software and hardware open left public users susceptible to attacks.

    Snowden said the documents appeared to be genuine.

    The documents also revealed that the CIA had the ability to conduct false flag attacks using malware stolen from other nations.

    According to WikiLeaks the trove showed that the CIA had lost control of its arsenal of hacking tools.

    WikiLeaks said it was given the files by an anonymous source who wanted to shed public light on the hacking programs.

    The collection of documents vastly outnumbered the trove on the NSA released by Snowden.

    < more at link>
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    https://www.de-cix.net/en/about-de-c...s-peak-traffic

    Quote DE-CIX Frankfurt hits 10 Tbps peak traffic

    Last night, for the first time, we reached 10 Terabits per second peak traffic at DE-CIX Frankfurt.

    We cannot say for sure what caused the peak (might be a combination of the Champions League, the US election, software upgrades, lockdown in Germany), but the traffic developments this year have been extraordinary due to the unpreceded situation we are living in. When we hit 8.3 Tbps in February, we predicted that we would reach 9 Tbps towards the end of the year. Instead, we exceeded that mark a mere two weeks later. And now we are at 10 Tbps – and what is usually the peak season in winter when people spend more time indoors is just around the corner.
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    BREAKING NEWS TODAY: THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW


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    Quote “There’s Going to Be Evidence that Comes Forward in Next Few Days what Will Drastically Change the Playing Field” — Security Expert Behind Antrim County Audit Says Something Big Is Coming (VIDEO)

    On Friday night election technology and security expert Russell Ramsland joined Greg Kelly to discuss his company’s findings in their Antrim County, Michigan Dominion Voting Machines examination.

    Ramsland’s intelligence team analyzed 16 Dominion Voting Machines in Antrim County where thousands of votes flipped from President Trump to Joe Biden on November 3, 2020.

    Their report was devastating. Dominion was caught switching votes and intentionally generating a high number of ballot errors that were then transferred offsite for adjudication.

    On Friday night Ramsland told Newsmax that the Trump campaign will likely not win in the courts because the lawsuits are being dismissed before evidence is even being heard.

    Ramsland then told Greg Kelly, “But I think there’s going to be some information that comes forward in the next few days that is going to drastically change the playing field. The real question will be will people report on it.”
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    Default Re: MASSIVE FRAUD: Major Lawsuits (update: all foiled so far)

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    DOMINION

    An unbiased by-county analysis of over 3000 U.S. counties shows Joe Biden received 5.6 % more votes in counties using Dominion Voting Systems. "If a network system of computers was used to fraudulently affect vote counts...the results would look exactly like this."

    https://twitter.com/KanekoaTheGreat/...46603785183232


    FULL SUMMARY:
    https://gofile.io/d/WtDVhe

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    WASHINGTON, DC ◊ JANUARY 6th ◊ JERICHO MARCH ◊ AROUND THE CAPITOL ◊ BE THERE

    State of the Nation

    The Political Context

    Every Republican U.S. Senator and Member of the House knows that if Joe Biden successfully steals POTUS and the Democrat Party successfully steals the Georgia Senate races, it’s over for them—FOREVER!

    Except the hardcore RINOs, every Republican knows in their bones that if the Democrats own the POTUS and Congress on January 20, 2021, there will be communist-run purges across America. And, that the real conservatives will be the first to go, especially those who vigorously supported President Trump.

    Given this context, the true GOPers in the U.S. Congress know that January 6th is their big day. It’s the day they can lower heaven as the Democrats try their hardest to raise hell.

    On Wednesday, January 6th, both chambers of Congress will meet to officially count and certify the electoral votes cast by the Electoral College. In the process, Republicans in the Senate and House can voice their strenuous challenges to the transparently fraudulent electoral vote tallies submitted by all the battleground states.

    Watch Out for the Explosion of Election Theft Truth
    in the U.S. Congress on January 6th!

    Because the mainstream media has been systematically maintaining a total media blackout on the unparalleled Democrat vote fraud and swing state election theft, the vast majority of Americans are unaware of the steal. Hence, the conservatives in Congress can use their pulpits to scream from the top of their lungs that:

    THEY WILL NOT ACCEPT AN
    ELECTION OUTCOME THAT
    WAS BLATANTLY STOLEN

    Exactly how each conservative Congressman proclaims that remains to be seen; nevertheless, there will be many who will speak truth to power like never before. And so they will because they had better for their one survival

    JERICHO MARCH

    Now while they are bringing down the house with their forceful declarations about the naked election theft, the Patriot Movement can show up in force and surround The Capitol.

    Of course, we call these powerful marches — JERICHO MARCHES — because their intent is to bring down the walls of every globalist institution the marchers surround en masse as they march around them “blowing their ram horns”. In this way, the walls of The Capitol will shake and sway as never before. The fearful Democrats inside will then feel the wrath of We the People as never before.

    Look it, people, there have been many marches in DC conducted by the Right. However, this is the BIG one. This January 6th JERICHO MARCH is the one that can literally turn the tide against the ongoing communist revolution carried out by the Left and their Democrat leaders. See: RED ALERT: Democrat-Run COMMUNIST TAKEOVER PLOT to Unleash Bolshevik Violence after Election Day

    How so?

    How can a JERICHO MARCH produce such an immense sea change of public opinion at just the right time?

    Here’s how.

    While the Republicans are aggressively trumpeting a Trump victory in both Senate and House, the JERICHO Marchers can surround The Capitol, with their horns blowing as loud as those at biblical Jericho, and show the Congress just what awesome people power sounds like.

    What else needs to be said?

    If you can be there, be their with your horn — any horn, or instrument, or trash can top, or conch shell, or war drum … … …

    http://stateofthenation.co/?p=42430

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    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    I can only speak for myself and the situation here.
    Normally I smile at the idea that America is the saviour of the world -- however this evil is affecting the whole world and me too.
    I believe that Trump has it in mind to drain the swamp and if he is succesful there will be a knock on effect to the UK and every other country that is affected by Draconian measures --It comes from the same source worldwide --its not just an American problem.
    So I wholeheartedly support this fight against this tyranny.
    I had just had not appreciated how widespread the tentacles of this malevolence is.
    The corruption is everywhere.
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    That's the Domino theory (see Reagn, or neoconservatism) . Knock down too many countries to communism and it weakens the others.

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    Quote the walls of The Capitol will shake and sway as never before. The fearful Democrats inside will then feel the wrath of We the People as never before.

    Look it, people, there have been many marches in DC conducted by the Right. However, this is the BIG one. This January 6th JERICHO MARCH is the one that can literally turn the tide against the ongoing communist revolution carried out by the Left and their Democrat leaders. See: RED ALERT: Democrat-Run COMMUNIST TAKEOVER PLOT to Unleash Bolshevik Violence after Election Day
    http://stateofthenation.co/?p=42430

    I'm glad pieces like this are more and more calling this what it is, a war between the Left and the Right. Best just call a spade a spade and be done with it.

    Now I do want to point out an important nuance here from one of the sentences above:
    Quote The fearful Democrats inside will then feel the wrath of We the People as never before.
    Make no mistake that in saying "We the People", the march won't by any stretch of the imagination represent all the people of this country; it will represent the Right, and Team Trump. There won't be many democrats or people on the Left high fiving each other and pushing their chests out proud for this event.

    This will represent roughly half of the nation, with the other half watching on and thinking "this is ridiculous, enough already, let it go it's over".

    I'll be watching though, should be something to see with the horns and all.

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    Default Re: MASSIVE FRAUD: Major Lawsuits (update: all foiled so far)

    Id say by April 2021, maybe even April fools day, we will all have our answer as to what the reality of all this is. So lets see what happens.

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    I think it wrong to say this is Republicans against Democrats or Right Vs Left.
    That was in the post Gracy speaks of.
    This is about free speech Vs censorship, Draconian control Vs freedom, its about honest elections
    Trump is very clear about this as is General Flyn and the legal team.

    I dont think the event should go ahead at least not under the description/definition that was given in the post https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1397649
    submitted by my friend Viking.

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    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    I think it wrong to say this is Republicans against Democrats or Right Vs Left.
    That was in the post Gracy speaks of.
    This is about free speech Vs censorship, Draconian control Vs freedom, its about honest elections
    Trump is very clear about this as is General Flyn and the legal team.

    I dont think the event should go ahead at least not under the description/definition that was given in the post https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1397649
    submitted by my friend Viking.

    Chris
    Hi Chris, yes absolutely spot on.

    And thank you.

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    Quote Posted by Gracy May (here)
    Quote the walls of The Capitol will shake and sway as never before. The fearful Democrats inside will then feel the wrath of We the People as never before.

    Look it, people, there have been many marches in DC conducted by the Right. However, this is the BIG one. This January 6th JERICHO MARCH is the one that can literally turn the tide against the ongoing communist revolution carried out by the Left and their Democrat leaders. See: RED ALERT: Democrat-Run COMMUNIST TAKEOVER PLOT to Unleash Bolshevik Violence after Election Day
    http://stateofthenation.co/?p=42430

    I'm glad pieces like this are more and more calling this what it is, a war between the Left and the Right. Best just call a spade a spade and be done with it.

    Now I do want to point out an important nuance here from one of the sentences above:
    Quote The fearful Democrats inside will then feel the wrath of We the People as never before.
    Make no mistake that in saying "We the People", the march won't by any stretch of the imagination represent all the people of this country; it will represent the Right, and Team Trump. There won't be many democrats or people on the Left high fiving each other and pushing their chests out proud for this event.

    This will represent roughly half of the nation, with the other half watching on and thinking "this is ridiculous, enough already, let it go it's over".

    I'll be watching though, should be something to see with the horns and all.
    But it's not though really Gracy is it. To try and pretend this is just politics again is just an act of denial imo.

    Where do you expect people who are not the biggest fans of totalitarianism and tyranny to side? Should we just keep out of it?

    I think it exactly the opposite of what you say it is.

    If it turns out Trump was a lie (although I'm not seeing much evidence so far) then it will be lesson learned.

    Other than that, as an ex socialist in a completely different country, I'd be out there on the march to stop the creeping advancement of corporate fascism (communism in the states).

    This is completely about good vs evil imho.

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    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...le-oval-office


    Quote Trump And Sidney Powell Meet For Friday Night Huddle In Oval Office
    Tyler Durden's Photo
    BY TYLER DURDEN

    President Trump and attorney Sidney Powell met for a Friday night huddle in the Oval Office, according to the New York Times - which claims they discussed the idea of Powell becoming a special counsel to investigate voter fraud "according to two people briefed on the discussion" (and how were they privy?).

    The report goes on to claim that Rudy Giuliani, Trump's personal lawyer who publicly distanced their legal team from Powell's efforts to prove widespread election fraud through rigged Dominion Voting Systems machines, opposed the idea - despite rumors that the former NY Mayor sought to have the Department of Homeland Security to seize voting machines to analyze them.

    Mr. Giuliani joined the discussion by phone, while Ms. Powell was at the White House for a meeting that became raucous at times, according to one of the people briefed on what took place. Other administration officials drifted in and out of the meeting, two of the people briefed said, and the White House counsel, Pat A. Cipollone, pushed back on the ideas being proposed.

    Ms. Powell accused other Trump advisers of being quitters, according to the people briefed. -New York Times

    The notion of Powell becoming a special counsel reportedly "sent shock waves through the president's circle," as Trump has been in contact with her in recent days despite the campaign's public distancing. According to the Times, her claims that Dominion machines were used to rig the election are 'baseless' - despite claims to the contrary.

    The Times also notes that President Trump has pushed outgoing Attorney General William Barr to appoint a special counsel to investigate election fraud, as well as a separate one to investigate Biden family corruption centered around Joe Biden's son, Hunter - whose laptop contained evidence that Joe was involved in Hunter's Ukrainian and China dealings. These claims were backed up by two former Biden family business associates in both sworn affidavits and electronic evidence.

    Does any of this matter if the Supreme Court won't even look at the evidence?

    https://twitter.com/Wizard_Predicts/...726956032?s=20



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    China really is counterfeiting US money! It explains why they can write a $350 million to corrupted US officials without batting an eyelash....


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    I noticed the attacks and smear campaigns have begun on Sidney Powell.

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    I think it wrong to say this is Republicans against Democrats or Right Vs Left.
    That was in the post Gracy speaks of.
    This is about free speech Vs censorship, Draconian control Vs freedom, its about honest elections
    I have to agree. This is something much larger than typical party affiliation/ideology. Both parties have lost their way. It would seem 75% of those in the Halls on Power on the so-called right are also okay with censorship, draconian control and taxation (among other things) without representation.

    Anyone who condones a banana-Republic-like theater that installs leaders via the pretext of a sham elections has lost their way.

    America waged a revolution against the greatest power on earth for far less....

    I would say it's really about those ideals the American people secured back in 1776 vs. serfdom and slavery and a boot on a human face forever. If we must say the underlying ideology of those factions represent right vs. left then so be it; although there was a time in the not-too-distant past when the left embraced free speech, condemned censorship, and marched for freedom.

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    This will represent roughly half of the nation, with the other half watching on and thinking "this is ridiculous, enough already, let it go it's over".
    You are talking about the left and the MSM the last 4 years when people just hated Trump and went on a 4 year tantrum, screaming: it’s a Russian conspiracy? Yes, that thought you mentioned crossed my mind too, like...every day...

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    Quote the walls of The Capitol will shake and sway as never before. The fearful Democrats inside will then feel the wrath of We the People as never before.

    Look it, people, there have been many marches in DC conducted by the Right. However, this is the BIG one. This January 6th JERICHO MARCH is the one that can literally turn the tide against the ongoing communist revolution carried out by the Left and their Democrat leaders. See: RED ALERT: Democrat-Run COMMUNIST TAKEOVER PLOT to Unleash Bolshevik Violence after Election Day
    http://stateofthenation.co/?p=42430


    Quote Posted by Gracy May (here)
    I'm glad pieces like this are more and more calling this what it is, a war between the Left and the Right. Best just call a spade a spade and be done with it.

    Quote Posted by One (here)
    But it's not though really Gracy is it. To try and pretend this is just politics again is just an act of denial imo.
    Quote Posted by One (here)
    This is completely about good vs evil imho.
    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    I think it wrong to say this is Republicans against Democrats or Right Vs Left.
    That was in the post Gracy speaks of.
    This is about free speech Vs censorship, Draconian control Vs freedom, its about honest elections
    Quote Posted by T Smith (here)
    This is something much larger than typical party affiliation/ideology. Both parties have lost their way.
    Okay, well you guys can say that and that's fine, but the creators of the Jan. 6th march on the Capitol and many others often quoted and touted here, seem to have not gotten the memo. It's very clear that the Left must be destroyed, and it's the Right that's going to do it, if not even the highest courts in the land will see things their way.

    For the sake of argument however, let's say that not one member here has even the slightest inclinations towards the Right, it's solely good vs. evil. Even under those conditions what you're doing is hitching your good vs. evil wagon to America's hard Right Wing that Trump has absolutely electrified.

    That's the vehicle you're employing, and partnering with, to see that evil is vanquished. Left and Right are bandied about here all the time (it's all over the place), with virtually all links going to hard Right Wing sites. Why is it so difficult to just simply say "yes, this is the vehicle to victory" if nothing else?

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    Quote the walls of The Capitol will shake and sway as never before. The fearful Democrats inside will then feel the wrath of We the People as never before.

    Look it, people, there have been many marches in DC conducted by the Right. However, this is the BIG one. This January 6th JERICHO MARCH is the one that can literally turn the tide against the ongoing communist revolution carried out by the Left and their Democrat leaders. See: RED ALERT: Democrat-Run COMMUNIST TAKEOVER PLOT to Unleash Bolshevik Violence after Election Day
    http://stateofthenation.co/?p=42430


    Quote Posted by Gracy May (here)
    I'm glad pieces like this are more and more calling this what it is, a war between the Left and the Right. Best just call a spade a spade and be done with it.

    Quote Posted by One (here)
    But it's not though really Gracy is it. To try and pretend this is just politics again is just an act of denial imo.
    Quote Posted by One (here)
    This is completely about good vs evil imho.
    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    I think it wrong to say this is Republicans against Democrats or Right Vs Left.
    That was in the post Gracy speaks of.
    This is about free speech Vs censorship, Draconian control Vs freedom, its about honest elections
    Quote Posted by T Smith (here)
    This is something much larger than typical party affiliation/ideology. Both parties have lost their way.
    Okay, well you guys can say that and that's fine, but the creators of the Jan. 6th march on the Capitol and many others often quoted and touted here, seem to have not gotten the memo. It's very clear that the Left must be destroyed, and it's the Right that's going to do it, if not even the highest courts in the land will see things their way.

    For the sake of argument however, let's say that not one member here has even the slightest inclinations towards the Right, it's solely good vs. evil. Even under those conditions what you're doing is hitching your good vs. evil wagon to America's hard Right Wing that Trump has absolutely electrified.

    That's the vehicle you're employing, and partnering with, to see that evil is vanquished. Left and Right are bandied about here all the time (it's all over the place), with virtually all links going to hard Right Wing sites. Why is it so difficult to just simply say "yes, this is the vehicle to victory" if nothing else?
    While I sleep at night in safety,good men and woman have died protecting me.whistle blowers and white hats and countless others made great sacrifice ,and they lost.
    the insidious infiltration of our society was carefully planned over a long period of time and is coming to a head now.i can go back to sleep or I can do my tiny part that is all.each must make that choice be it the voice of reason and temperance and cool heads like you gracy or take the fight to swamp with pitchfork and torch.
    But to do nothing when you see the growing threat, that is a crime generations will pay for in servitude and loss of freedom.

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    Okay, well you guys can say that and that's fine, but the creators of the Jan. 6th march on the Capitol and many others often quoted and touted here, seem to have not gotten the memo. It's very clear that the Left must be destroyed, and it's the Right that's going to do it, if not even the highest courts in the land will see things their way.

    For the sake of argument however, let's say that not one member here has even the slightest inclinations towards the Right, it's solely good vs. evil. Even under those conditions what you're doing is hitching your good vs. evil wagon to America's hard Right Wing that Trump has absolutely electrified.

    That's the vehicle you're employing, and partnering with, to see that evil is vanquished. Left and Right are bandied about here all the time (it's all over the place), with virtually all links going to hard Right Wing sites. Why is it so difficult to just simply say "yes, this is the vehicle to victory" if nothing else?
    I'm confused. Why are we pigeon-holing these concepts to the left/right? Can you define what the "right" is, as you understand it?

    I'm talking about freedom--as those explicitly enumerated in the Bill of Rights--vs. serfdom, as the living conditions of those living under Communist China, North Korea, Eritrea, Turkmenistan, etc.

    Can't we just say liberty vs. oppression? Or would that render our ideologies into cognitive dissonance if former is associating with the right and the latter to the left?
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