Avoiding the Experimental Vaccine

[Sue (Ayt)]

Posted by Old Student (here)
I think you should check your sources. It is a vaccine, the IP was filed as a vaccine, it was approved as a vaccine, and its intended use is as a vaccine. The disinformation floating around that the companies filed IP for these vaccines as genetic therapies is not true. They do indeed cause the body to create antibodies against Covid.

Very well, actually, they are more than 90% effective, and are actually quite a bit safer than either the Sabin vaccine for polio or the current state of the art tetanus shot.

They have chosen to call it a vaccine, but that is rather duplicitous, seeing that it is a first and unprecedented delivery method of prevention, and differs from how vaccines have been traditionally known to the public. It seems to me that their use of the word "vaccine" may have been chosen precisely for that reason.

Also:
"People who had COVID-19 had an 84% lower risk of becoming reinfected and a 93% lower risk of symptomatic infection during 7 months of follow-up, according to findings from a large, multicenter study published late last week in The Lancet."
and
“In a commentary in the same journal, Florian Krammer, PhD, of the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai in New York City, said that although natural infection tends to induce lower and more variable antibody concentrations than COVID-19 vaccines, "the findings of the authors suggest that infection and the development of an antibody response provides protection similar to or even better than currently used SARS-CoV-2 vaccines.”
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-pers...reinfection-84

Somehow, it seems that both the disease and the vaccine are having similar effects, especially now that the side effect reports are piling up. Most traditional vaccines do not cause the same drastic symptoms as the disease they supposedly prevent.

[Old Student]

He added, "The SIREN study adds to a growing number of studies, which demonstrate that infection does protect against reinfection, and probably in an antibody-dependent manner."

Krammer pointed out that the researchers didn't link quantitative antibody measurements to protection against infection afforded by natural infection versus vaccines, a topic that should be a priority for future studies.

Krammer also noted that, "Establishment of antibody titres as a correlate of protection and defining a protective titre would be extremely important for public health considerations and for patient management," he wrote. "A correlate of protection and a protective threshold would also allow for the development of additional SARS-CoV-2 vaccines based on small immunogenicity-based phase 3 trials rather than large and costly field efficacy trials, which are becoming exceedingly difficult to perform."

The study you are citing had to jump through hoops to make the more limited conclusions about reinfection it made. By contrast, the vaccination trials did not, nor did the data on infections of previously uninfected and unvaccinated people. This is because the tests on the two groups to determine infection were considerably different, among other reasons why they used the proportional hazards frailty model for their analysis.

[Delight]

Posted by Old Student (here)
Society has a right to do what it needs to do to end the pandemic. That's called public health. Just like when I used to treat people sick and injured at public events, if a child had a headache, we put on masks and stayed six feet away and asked the child to touch their chin to their chest. We do what we do to keep meningitis from spreading before we treat the child.

I perceive an investment in belief in public health systems in posts from old Student. It is really hard to have been a part of this whole "medical model" and then be told (shown) it is INVERTING its mission so instead of protecting health, it's MANDATES are destroying the health of the public. You are old and I know you may be fixed in your thinking? However, the truth is still the truth independent of how you wish it to be. You may not watch this weekly delivery of FACT but it IS out there.

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ON THE OTHER HAND, what if "Old Student" is one of those people being paid to Fight "disinformation". The INVERSION of this word's definition is "Disinformation is any information that may contradict the narrative being promoted". There are MILLIONS of dollars being paid to TROLLS who create "organic" opportunities such as joining a forum (a form of social media) and posting what one is told to be posting.

Social media is weaponized, public health is weaponized, MSM is weaponized, the GOVERNMENT is weaponized, SCIENCE and Medicine is weaponized.
The target is the future.

[Arcturian108]

Posted by Old Student (here)
I think you should check your sources. It is a vaccine, the IP was filed as a vaccine, it was approved as a vaccine, and its intended use is as a vaccine. The disinformation floating around that the companies filed IP for these vaccines as genetic therapies is not true. They do indeed cause the body to create antibodies against Covid.

Very well, actually, they are more than 90% effective, and are actually quite a bit safer than either the Sabin vaccine for polio or the current state of the art tetanus shot.

I personally know of three people who died as a direct result of getting the Covid jab. It appears to me that this 'vaccine' is not only not safe, but is downright dangerous. We may know more about the problems in the next two years, but I for one am completely avoiding those who are 'vaccinated' as they could be shedding the spike protein, which will likely kill them, and anyone close to them.

[Delight]

Only if you have a death wish, is the jab for you. Stephanie Seneff is a trust worthy scientist.


Source: https://www.bitchute.com/video/1CrhQExKfEOw/

[Old Student]

Wow. I try to use my ability to read carefully medical papers, and my ability to do statistics to engage in a discussion with you about what seems to me to be very loose and not carefully done gathering of facts,"these aren't called vaccines by the companies that make them," when in fact they are, and now I'm invested in some kind of plot?

The story you quoted, Delight, is from event medicine, which I did for 15 years. The other "investment" I have was that I was on my company's MERT (Medical Emergency Response Team) for several years -- and part of that time was during SARS, which maybe should now be called SARS-CoV-1 since we are on '2'. It was my task as the only research person on the MERT, to track all the information about the disease and keep people informed. My boss at that time took an unauthorized trip to visit his relatives about 1 mile from a major outbreak and did not report it. So I got to also learn something about non-compliance.

The difference between me and some other people when we all go read the SIREN study, is that if I don't know a particular term in epidemiology or research methods, I can go read the math, learn the technique, and then go back to the study and see what it says in detail. I can do that because I am "invested" in mathematics. My career (I'm retired) was as a research and development mathematician. I'm not the best at it but probably better than about 99% of the average room full of people.

And I can do some other things really well. Like track down a patent -- as I did when wondering claimed that the companies that make the mRNA vaccines don't call them vaccines. I have patents, and filing patents requires you to be able to track down other patents because you have to cite prior art.

As for my "investment" in the current vaccine, I believe people should get vaccinated, so we can put this disease in the past and move on. That is the only way that will happen. Otherwise, people will continue to sicken and die of this and the whole world will be constantly fighting off a disease we have in our power to end. And I know something about the history of public health, in particular, that governments can and do require people to follow public health measures and could if they want require people to be vaccinated.

[Sue (Ayt)]

Posted by Old Student (here)
He added, "The SIREN study adds to a growing number of studies, which demonstrate that infection does protect against reinfection, and probably in an antibody-dependent manner."

Krammer pointed out that the researchers didn't link quantitative antibody measurements to protection against infection afforded by natural infection versus vaccines, a topic that should be a priority for future studies.

Agreed. It should.

Krammer also noted that, "Establishment of antibody titres as a correlate of protection and defining a protective titre would be extremely important for public health considerations and for patient management," he wrote.

Yes, I would agree it is extremely important to figure this out, too, prior to draconian measures being implemented with a potential for dire ramifications.

The study you are citing had to jump through hoops to make the more limited conclusions about reinfection it made. By contrast, the vaccination trials did not, nor did the data on infections of previously uninfected and unvaccinated people. This is because the tests on the two groups to determine infection were considerably different, among other reasons why they used the proportional hazards frailty model for their analysis.

Respectfully, I am not versed in the "proportional hazards frailty model" you speak of, Old Student. Perhaps you can expand on this?

Having read some of the vaccine efficacy studies put out by the pharma researchers, to me they appeared to be statistically juggled, too, due to some factors like length of study, samples studies (ages, conditions, etc.)

Posted by Old Student (here)

As for my "investment" in the current vaccine, I believe people should get vaccinated, so we can put this disease in the past and move on. That is the only way that will happen. Otherwise, people will continue to sicken and die of this and the whole world will be constantly fighting off a disease we have in our power to end. And I know something about the history of public health, in particular, that governments can and do require people to follow public health measures and could if they want require people to be vaccinated.

At this point in time, do you also believe enough time, observation, and study of this dis-ease has been done to reach the conclusion that getting vaccinated will "put this disease in the past?" Do you also believe that this vaccine, as it stands now, has the power to end it? And do you believe this vaccine, at this point in its development, should be mandated? Could there not be something holistically important in natural immunity that is being missed, before man starts messing with the individual spike protein production in our systems?

“Man makes plans . . . and God laughs.”
― Michael Chabon

[Karen (Geophyz)]

Posted by Old Student (here)
Wow. I try to use my ability to read carefully medical papers, and my ability to do statistics to engage in a discussion with you about what seems to me to be very loose and not carefully done gathering of facts,"these aren't called vaccines by the companies that make them," when in fact they are, and now I'm invested in some kind of plot?

The story you quoted, Delight, is from event medicine, which I did for 15 years. The other "investment" I have was that I was on my company's MERT (Medical Emergency Response Team) for several years -- and part of that time was during SARS, which maybe should now be called SARS-CoV-1 since we are on '2'. It was my task as the only research person on the MERT, to track all the information about the disease and keep people informed. My boss at that time took an unauthorized trip to visit his relatives about 1 mile from a major outbreak and did not report it. So I got to also learn something about non-compliance.

The difference between me and some other people when we all go read the SIREN study, is that if I don't know a particular term in epidemiology or research methods, I can go read the math, learn the technique, and then go back to the study and see what it says in detail. I can do that because I am "invested" in mathematics. My career (I'm retired) was as a research and development mathematician. I'm not the best at it but probably better than about 99% of the average room full of people.

And I can do some other things really well. Like track down a patent -- as I did when wondering claimed that the companies that make the mRNA vaccines don't call them vaccines. I have patents, and filing patents requires you to be able to track down other patents because you have to cite prior art.

As for my "investment" in the current vaccine, I believe people should get vaccinated, so we can put this disease in the past and move on. That is the only way that will happen. Otherwise, people will continue to sicken and die of this and the whole world will be constantly fighting off a disease we have in our power to end. And I know something about the history of public health, in particular, that governments can and do require people to follow public health measures and could if they want require people to be vaccinated.

My brother died from the "vaccine". He would have been better off to get Covid, the virus with a 99% survival rate. You are wrong.

[Myristyl]

Posted by Old Student (here)
Wow. I try to use my ability to read carefully medical papers, and my ability to do statistics to engage in a discussion with you about what seems to me to be very loose and not carefully done gathering of facts,"these aren't called vaccines by the companies that make them," when in fact they are, and now I'm invested in some kind of plot?

The story you quoted, Delight, is from event medicine, which I did for 15 years. The other "investment" I have was that I was on my company's MERT (Medical Emergency Response Team) for several years -- and part of that time was during SARS, which maybe should now be called SARS-CoV-1 since we are on '2'. It was my task as the only research person on the MERT, to track all the information about the disease and keep people informed. My boss at that time took an unauthorized trip to visit his relatives about 1 mile from a major outbreak and did not report it. So I got to also learn something about non-compliance.

The difference between me and some other people when we all go read the SIREN study, is that if I don't know a particular term in epidemiology or research methods, I can go read the math, learn the technique, and then go back to the study and see what it says in detail. I can do that because I am "invested" in mathematics. My career (I'm retired) was as a research and development mathematician. I'm not the best at it but probably better than about 99% of the average room full of people.

And I can do some other things really well. Like track down a patent -- as I did when wondering claimed that the companies that make the mRNA vaccines don't call them vaccines. I have patents, and filing patents requires you to be able to track down other patents because you have to cite prior art.

As for my "investment" in the current vaccine, I believe people should get vaccinated, so we can put this disease in the past and move on. That is the only way that will happen. Otherwise, people will continue to sicken and die of this and the whole world will be constantly fighting off a disease we have in our power to end. And I know something about the history of public health, in particular, that governments can and do require people to follow public health measures and could if they want require people to be vaccinated.

Thank you for your post I found it interesting. For my part I am also able to examine the available evidence yet I have reached different conclusions to you. Here in the UK the lockdowns have been a disaster and will likely result in more devastation than if we kept calm and carried on. Having said that there is nothing quite like personal experience to inform ones opinion. We have seen our civil rights trashed and government overreach hitherto thought impossible.

Regarding the 'vaccines'. So far I know personally a fair number of people who have received it, most just one but some two. Some of these people are close to me and some are close relatives or friends of people I know yet do not know personally. Thus far I would say roughly 75% have experienced side effects. Most commonly these can be painful arms, legs(?!), headaches and feelings of general unease. More serious side effects have included:

1. One of my oldest friends had severe pain in his arms. Prescription painkillers prescribed.
2. My partners niece reported pain and stiffness in both arms and was worried because she could not raise her arms above shoulder height.
3. An older gentleman who collapsed upon his kitchen floor.
4. Constant nose bleed.
5. Painful and unusual periods.
6. All over intense body pain that lasted for three days
7. As above but with intense headaches described as 'the worst hangover imaginable'
8. Feeling as if one has contracted a flu. Bed rest required. (Our neighbour has had a few days off work immediately following the injection)
9. Two deaths within two weeks of taking the injection. One was early fifties and healthy. Apparently the death certificate reads covid.

For balance, I spoke to two people I know who are due their second shot in the next week or so who reported no side effects save feeling a 'little sore' at the injection site.

Obviously this can be dismissed as anecdotal and therefore invalid (which I understand completely), however it is enough to give me pause. Nobody will be injecting myself or my family while I remain able to stop them.

I find it incredible that we even have to debate the topic of forced medication in these circumstances. It leads me to one of two conclusions: Either there is a sinister agenda at play (or group hysteria at best) or there is something so truly awful about the sars-cov-2 virus (in the long term) that our own government is willing, in an act of desperation, to risk using this novel and potentially dangerous technology despite the harm it will(is) causing to the public.

Here in the UK there is an almost evangelical desire to inject as many people as possible. As many of us have predicted media propaganda is starting to focus on people who are exercising their right to choose, name calling with terms like 'unvaxxed', 'deniers' and 'anti-vaxxer'. Things are getting very dark, very dark indeed.

[Old Student]

Either there is a sinister agenda at play (or group hysteria at best) or there is something so truly awful about the sars-cov-2 virus (in the long term) that our own government is willing, in an act of desperation, to risk using this novel and potentially dangerous technology despite the harm it will(is) causing to the public.

At least one truly awful thing about it is that it kills people. Here in the U.S. it has now killed over 600,000 people. Our worst war, the Civil War, killed only slightly more people.

One other truly awful thing is that 1/3 of those symptomatic and surviving are "long haulers" having symptoms of COPD, nerve damage, and vascular damage. The virus attacks ACE sites, the things that control your blood vessels for dilation and constriction.

I had the vaccine (Moderna) both shots, I said so before. On the second shot, I got a fever, and had complications from the fever (it would not have mattered what caused the fever to have had those complications). That probably ranks the top of the stories you are collecting -- I was sick for several days. Not from the shot, not from the fever, but from those complications -- I have a chronic problem with apnea and it triggered it for a very long bout.

That is not in any way proof that the vaccine is harmful, and I would look askance at any collection of arm aches, headaches, and fevers short term that would add up to severe symptoms. I had a cholera vaccine in the 1980s that caused worse (except that I did not have that kind of complications then), and typhoid shots are legendary for arm pain for weeks afterward.

Absolutely none of that is worse than letting the virus run rampant believing you'll get to herd immunity. If you are good at research, you should know that almost nothing gets to herd immunity without a vaccine. People who think otherwise should go look up smallpox, gonorrhea, polio, malaria, measles or any of the other diseases that absolutely don't go away without vaccines. This virus is ten times more deadly than the flue and about the infectiousness of the common cold or worse.

[Karen (Geophyz)]

Posted by Old Student (here)

Either there is a sinister agenda at play (or group hysteria at best) or there is something so truly awful about the sars-cov-2 virus (in the long term) that our own government is willing, in an act of desperation, to risk using this novel and potentially dangerous technology despite the harm it will(is) causing to the public.

At least one truly awful thing about it is that it kills people. Here in the U.S. it has now killed over 600,000 people. Our worst war, the Civil War, killed only slightly more people.

One other truly awful thing is that 1/3 of those symptomatic and surviving are "long haulers" having symptoms of COPD, nerve damage, and vascular damage. The virus attacks ACE sites, the things that control your blood vessels for dilation and constriction.

I had the vaccine (Moderna) both shots, I said so before. On the second shot, I got a fever, and had complications from the fever (it would not have mattered what caused the fever to have had those complications). That probably ranks the top of the stories you are collecting -- I was sick for several days. Not from the shot, not from the fever, but from those complications -- I have a chronic problem with apnea and it triggered it for a very long bout.

That is not in any way proof that the vaccine is harmful, and I would look askance at any collection of arm aches, headaches, and fevers short term that would add up to severe symptoms. I had a cholera vaccine in the 1980s that caused worse (except that I did not have that kind of complications then), and typhoid shots are legendary for arm pain for weeks afterward.

Absolutely none of that is worse than letting the virus run rampant believing you'll get to herd immunity. If you are good at research, you should know that almost nothing gets to herd immunity without a vaccine. People who think otherwise should go look up smallpox, gonorrhea, polio, malaria, measles or any of the other diseases that absolutely don't go away without vaccines. This virus is ten times more deadly than the flue and about the infectiousness of the common cold or worse.

So does the vaccine. Again. My brother took the poison jab. We were speaking on the phone when he was struck down with a blood clot. He DIED. DEAD, not coming back gone. THAT is proof to me that the "vaccine" as you call it, is harmful. There are MANY documented accounts. I will not let anyone put this poison in my body. I have an immune system to protect me. You should be ashamed of yourself to promote this poison to anyone.

[onawah]

Vaccines have been causing more harm than good since their inception.
You can have no credible proof at all for your statements.
There are and always have been safe and effective, more natural remedies and ways to prevent viruses, etc. and this has been proven over and over again.
The COVID jabs are not vaccines in any case, they are a gene-altering "experiment" which are quite obviously part of a depopulation plan.
You can't have studied much of the evidence that other members have been laboriously recording here for years, including Bill Ryan, and still take that stance.
I can only conclude you are a shill for Big Pharma, whether consciously or not.

Posted by Old Student (here)

Either there is a sinister agenda at play (or group hysteria at best) or there is something so truly awful about the sars-cov-2 virus (in the long term) that our own government is willing, in an act of desperation, to risk using this novel and potentially dangerous technology despite the harm it will(is) causing to the public.

At least one truly awful thing about it is that it kills people. Here in the U.S. it has now killed over 600,000 people. Our worst war, the Civil War, killed only slightly more people.

One other truly awful thing is that 1/3 of those symptomatic and surviving are "long haulers" having symptoms of COPD, nerve damage, and vascular damage. The virus attacks ACE sites, the things that control your blood vessels for dilation and constriction.

I had the vaccine (Moderna) both shots, I said so before. On the second shot, I got a fever, and had complications from the fever (it would not have mattered what caused the fever to have had those complications). That probably ranks the top of the stories you are collecting -- I was sick for several days. Not from the shot, not from the fever, but from those complications -- I have a chronic problem with apnea and it triggered it for a very long bout.

That is not in any way proof that the vaccine is harmful, and I would look askance at any collection of arm aches, headaches, and fevers short term that would add up to severe symptoms. I had a cholera vaccine in the 1980s that caused worse (except that I did not have that kind of complications then), and typhoid shots are legendary for arm pain for weeks afterward.

Absolutely none of that is worse than letting the virus run rampant believing you'll get to herd immunity. If you are good at research, you should know that almost nothing gets to herd immunity without a vaccine. People who think otherwise should go look up smallpox, gonorrhea, polio, malaria, measles or any of the other diseases that absolutely don't go away without vaccines. This virus is ten times more deadly than the flue and about the infectiousness of the common cold or worse.

[Rawhide68]

Personaly I have had 2 friends did that jab having problems


1. My frst friend Sue a nurse, after second jab , some 6 to 8 weks ago she went in to what was expected fever hard flu symtoms.
Last time she reached out to me was, " I have had these "shingles" bältros in Swedish

2. Another not so close friend of mine but quite recent Suzi.
I sent her a mess, she answered I'm still recovering from the Vaccine, I'll call you l8er

I take this too serious some times , but WTF

[Delight]

Posted by Old Student (here)
Absolutely none of that is worse than letting the virus run rampant believing you'll get to herd immunity.

OMG. I fear YOU, not the virus.
IMO you are a mind controled Manchurian Candidate. You would murder people in the name of Public Health.

Investigational Vaccination of Pregnant Women
by Dr. Peter McCullough | May 25, 2021Peter McCullough

The USFDA as well as the vaccine manufacturers excluded pregnant women and those of childbearing potential who could not guarantee contraception from the registrational trials of the COVID-19 vaccine. This was done to protect the safety of the mother and the baby from the unknown effects of the investigational vaccine. Regulatory practice always calls for the exclusion of groups not studied from receiving new products when they are released to the public.

In a gigantic break from this safe and reasonable practice, with no proof of benefit or evidence of safety, the CDC recommends that pregnant women volunteer for the vaccine. It is known that COVID-19 is in general mild and self-limiting in pregnant women, does not cause fetal malformations, and when presenting with severe symptoms, can be treated with drug therapy including hydroxychloroquine, antibiotics, steroids, and aspirin.

The only vaccines allowed in pregnant women are biologically inactive: influenza, tetanus, diphtheria, and pertussis. Thus, it is up to each woman to do her research on this very important decision in pregnancy or childbearing years. As of May 7, 2021, 275 miscarriages have been reported to the CDC in women who were needlessly vaccinated. Given the strict nature of reporting including penalties for false reports, it is estimated that only 1-10% of safety reports are logged by the CDC after vaccination.

Thus, at this time, American women have probably lost >2000 babies to the COVID-19 and that number will continue to rise until either the vaccines are pulled from the market or pregnant women are excluded. This week’s report has an excerpt from Dr. McCullough and Tucker Carlson on Tucker Carlson Today May 8, 2021, and expert opinions from Drs. Malthouse, Stricker, and Gilbert, giving caution about the untested vaccine in pregnant women.

There is no more urgent message from The McCullough Report, under no circumstances should a pregnant woman feel forced to comply with CDC recommendations on vaccination with the investigational COVID-19 vaccine that has no proven benefit or guarantee of safety for the mother or the fetus. Please do your own research and carefully discuss this with your doctor(s).

References:
– https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...pregnancy.html
– https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data

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[Hermoor]

Posted by Rawhide68 (here)
My frst friend Sue a nurse, after second jab , some 6 to 8 weks ago she went in to what was expected fever hard flu symtoms.
Last time she reached out to me was, " I have had these "shingles" bältros in Swedish

Thank you for telling us Rawhide.

This 'shingles' thing is very serious and gets no (or virtually no) coverage in the general media.

My uncle lives in a very busy and densely populated area of Glasgow. Shortly after his first jab he developed a severe case of shingles. It almost killed him, he is still recovering many months later.

The doctors and nurses told him it was the worst case of shingles they had ever seen.

They also told him they had been inundated by bad cases of shingles in the area. The case numbers were AN ALL TIME HIGH.

My uncle spoke with other sufferers in his neighbourhood. They all contracted shingles shortly after their first jab. All of them are now refusing to take a second jab.

Probably the most alarming point for me is very experienced doctors and nurses clearly stated shingles cases were at an all time high in the community and they were struggling to cope with an inundation of numbers.

Yet none of this inundation made the local news, let alone regional or national news.

I find the whole situation most unsettling.

[Old Student]

OMG. I fear YOU, not the virus.
IMO you are a mind controled Manchurian Candidate. You would murder people in the name of Public Health.

Since you are accusing me of being a murderer, I think that is permission to speak freely.

I think you are spreading dangerous quack medicine to people who may just use that to make decisions that will cause them medical harm. So this person you think is a Manchurian Candidate capable of murder thinks you are practicing medicine without a license and medically negligent.

I was here for a civil discussion, I accept it that there are a lot of people, especially on this topic thread, who do not agree with my views. It's quite a different thing for a conspiracy propagator to tell me I commit murder.

[EarthGirl]

So what are you here for Old Student ?

In a civil discussion then we would surely discuss openly the amount information that is freely available to anyone that would care to look further into the adverse reactions that folk post (from their own free admission) as to what is happening to them after the 'jab' ?

Or are they simply imagining it and assigning it to their own free imagination... ?

Posted by Old Student (here)

OMG. I fear YOU, not the virus.
IMO you are a mind controled Manchurian Candidate. You would murder people in the name of Public Health.

Since you are accusing me of being a murderer, I think that is permission to speak freely.

I think you are spreading dangerous quack medicine to people who may just use that to make decisions that will cause them medical harm. So this person you think is a Manchurian Candidate capable of murder thinks you are practicing medicine without a license and medically negligent.

I was here for a civil discussion, I accept it that there are a lot of people, especially on this topic thread, who do not agree with my views. It's quite a different thing for a conspiracy propagator to tell me I commit murder.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Old Student (here)
I think that is permission to speak freely.

You have permission. Please speak to Karen. We're waiting.

[Delight]

Posted by Old Student (here)

OMG. I fear YOU, not the virus.
IMO you are a mind controled Manchurian Candidate. You would murder people in the name of Public Health.

Since you are accusing me of being a murderer, I think that is permission to speak freely.

I think you are spreading dangerous quack medicine to people who may just use that to make decisions that will cause them medical harm. So this person you think is a Manchurian Candidate capable of murder thinks you are practicing medicine without a license and medically negligent.

I was here for a civil discussion, I accept it that there are a lot of people, especially on this topic thread, who do not agree with my views. It's quite a different thing for a conspiracy propagator to tell me I commit murder.

OMG. What happens when people are indoctrinated into the cult of vaccination which has a core belief that immunity is NOW only possible through injected intervention. This cult is a PUPPET of some major malevolent force that hates health (when the fruits of its actions are seen). This cult has eviscerated common sense and historic practice. It apparenetly began when some people realized they could manufacture poisons and call them "life enhancing" and brainwash people to accept death and disability (for others hopefully) as a "necessary evil".

The lead up to the contemporary DANGER is an incremental inversion of expectations and intrusion into the personal freedom to make decisions. Now the choice is taken AWAY to prefer NATURAL immunity and prophylaxis like nutrition, vitamin supplementation, fresh air, exercise and EMOTIONAL support to protect and enhance health.

This first step then backed up by well tolerated "allopathic medicines" like Ivermectin and hydro chloroquine. There has been deliberrate sabotage of these measures JUST so an emergency use authorization would be justified. This is criminal. People have been brain washed to ignore any contradiction to the nonsense narrative and "take the jab". The same People are now taking genocidal next step to demonize those who decline.

I fear YOU, not the virus. I fear all the people who believe that it is not enough for YOU to choose a vaccine. YOU apparently believe I AM REQUIRED to do the same. It does not matter that it is illogical EXPERIMENTAL, FREE of ALL LIABILITY to the WHOLE DELVERY SYSTEM. It does not matter if I am left dead or permanently disabled, pressed under the weight of HUGE medical bills. It does not matter that there is major censorship and constant change in definition to buttress the LIE about covid's lethality and morbidity.

IMO you are a mind controlled Manchurian Candidate. You have bought every detail of a plan which has been detailed in MANY documents... civilization MUST be reset NOW. Reset includes population reduction.

If there were ZERO mandates and we could all just say no then I would feel sad when people took the jab and suffered but this is NOT the case. The carrot and stick coercion is of a scale never witnessed before. People who have an investment in the narrative think there is grounds for every measure that might be applied. If people die then the ends justify the means.

HOWEVER there is information on this forum collected over 18 months that Proves the jab as a means does not justify the ends of health and IN FACT for many many many is a KILL SHOT. By saying everyone SHOULD be vaccinated to satisfy "herd immunity" is absurd. Natural herd immunity is happening already. If forced to take the jab for the "good of all", despite harm, that means "murder is just an unintended consequence". It is the "price of risky business" that is MORE important than individual freedom, life, happiness.

This being the implication....
You would murder people in the name of Public Health.

All those who push the vaccine are culpable.

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Old Student, you are in the same profession (public health) as my brother who is a medical doctor. He uses the vernacular..vaccine...good...masks...good...do it for herd immunity...blah blah. He works for the government and has been indoctrinated for many years to believe in Big Pharma, BIG time. It is financially rewarding for him too. He feels he is leading great change. Ego booster. Hey, look to me for salvation!

My father died four days ago.
He was in a nursing home and close to 90. All residents received the "vaxx". He died from respiratory failure weeks later. Yes, yes we can all assume that death in a nursing home is the end game. No doubt in my mind that this injection was the accelerator. I am not privy to the details; this would only further alienate me and I see little point to do so at this point.
I am not grieving his death from this plane; nursing homes are depressing places. He was not comfortable and once was an active man --physically and intellectually. But I feel deep grief just the same. There is no way to prepare for the death of a parent.

Nature has been a great salve for me.
This is where I can be prayerful and take time to reflect and find healing. I cannot share these reflections with my family as our outlook is so fundamentally different. An alternate viewpoint is shot down and judged harshly. They accept whole heartedly the main narrative. I offer my views but it only incites anger. I have sent links in a way that is not dogmatic but hey....have you looked at this?

No formal funeral as the city is in lockdown. Masks and a five mile radius are the decree.
I am thankful to live in another State. The "herd" mentality is astonishing. Why do people, who have been vaccinated, have to socially isolate? And wear a mask?

I find the sharp intellect of Dr Dolores Cahill informative. She is an immunologist and biologist. There are many clips available for viewing. She is an integral part of The World Doctors Alliance which speaks to the dangers of what you are advocating
Murderer perhaps is a strong word but it is not so untrue, is it?
The phrase "conspiracy propagator" directed at a poster here is not truly appropriate, either. There is enough data now to show that the experimental gene alterator causes severe side effects that can result in death.