Avoiding the Experimental Vaccine

[Old Student]

What all of us at Avalon would much prefer is a TESTED vaccine, not some experimental solution that's using basic genetic engineering that's questionable in itself.

If this is the distinction between an emergency use authorization and full FDA approval, and that is what you would prefer and accept, then I have to look askance at all of the trafficking in videos (especially) and other things that were taken down ("censored" to use the expression in some circles). They were taken down because of cease and desist orders from that same FDA because they went over the line into dangerous.

I say that you just have to live this stuff to be able to wrap your head around the fact that the virus was released by someone on purpose and allowed to circulate.

I don't believe we've heard the whole story about how this virus started up either. But that's a long way from believing that someone released it on purpose. Just because people are trying to cover it up doesn't indicate purposefulness. More likely -- I do have some experience with the Chinese governments on both sides of the Taiwan Strait -- is that they need to have it have come from outside or there will be consequences from their own people. And in order to pretend it was foisted on China by the usual outsiders, you can't very well have it originate in Wuhan. SARS-CoV the original started in China, the government there has promised from the political level it wouldn't happen again, they found the 2002-3 epidemic totally embarrassing. They've been using state run media to tell people it came from outside China. So they'll fight tooth and nail to not have it come from Wuhan even without there being something nefarious afoot. Xi Jinping is gradually working on being the next official dynastic rule, this is a huge monkey wrench in his plans, and if it did come from sloppy behavior in the lab, that goes against all he's been feeding the Chinese, about them being in so many ways a superior race to the rest of the people in the world.

[onawah]

The context within which I was reading your post (however mistakenly), and your setting of traps here, your "gaming", and self-admitted deviousness, etc. led me to believe otherwise; understandably so, I think.
(You did write "this wasteland", not "that wasteland", after all. Another trap? )
I have invested far too much time and energy over the years into bringing good, credible research to this forum in a sincere wish to help alleviate confusion rather than add to it, and therefore find games and the picking of pointless fights unrewarding.
I will just spare us all from further unfruitful interactions and assign you and Old Student to my Ignore list, which will be best for all, I think.
I hope that answers your question.

Posted by helium (here)

Posted by onawah (here)
Iota, if you had any further doubts about Helium's view of Avalon, see: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1431447
...which may sum it up...
Helium: "I'd like to know how many others in this community react to the blatant propaganda spread by that newspaper in the same way I do. I seriously doubt there are many at all. This is a pretty place, but also a wasteland."

I didn't adequately specify the community I referred to. Read my post for *context* and it should be possible to see that I was speaking about the community that reads the local newspaper NOT the Avalon community. Keep looking and you'll find lots of ammo for further harassment. What do you gain from it, though? Is it fun?

[helium]

Posted by Old Student (here)

What all of us at Avalon would much prefer is a TESTED vaccine, not some experimental solution that's using basic genetic engineering that's questionable in itself.

If this is the distinction between an emergency use authorization and full FDA approval, and that is what you would prefer and accept, then I have to look askance at all of the trafficking in videos (especially) and other things that were taken down ("censored" to use the expression in some circles). They were taken down because of cease and desist orders from that same FDA because they went over the line into dangerous.

I say that you just have to live this stuff to be able to wrap your head around the fact that the virus was released by someone on purpose and allowed to circulate.

I don't believe we've heard the whole story about how this virus started up either. But that's a long way from believing that someone released it on purpose. Just because people are trying to cover it up doesn't indicate purposefulness. More likely -- I do have some experience with the Chinese governments on both sides of the Taiwan Strait -- is that they need to have it have come from outside or there will be consequences from their own people. And in order to pretend it was foisted on China by the usual outsiders, you can't very well have it originate in Wuhan. SARS-CoV the original started in China, the government there has promised from the political level it wouldn't happen again, they found the 2002-3 epidemic totally embarrassing. They've been using state run media to tell people it came from outside China. So they'll fight tooth and nail to not have it come from Wuhan even without there being something nefarious afoot. Xi Jinping is gradually working on being the next official dynastic rule, this is a huge monkey wrench in his plans, and if it did come from sloppy behavior in the lab, that goes against all he's been feeding the Chinese, about them being in so many ways a superior race to the rest of the people in the world.

First I want to agree that a lot of stuff floating around the web could be considered dangerous from the FDA's point of view. Problem is, our FDA had (has) the most to lose from information being freely disclosed, regardless of the veracity of that info. The bogus info, the truly stupid, useless videos and websites, were never a threat to medicine. The FDA was given a mission and they got on with it. That mission was to suppress valid medical science.

Also agreed that there is no smoking gun at this time to prove that the release was done purposefully. However the coverup is so insanely ubiquitous and contrived that it's difficult to avoid such a conclusion. Especially when the events matched perfectly the onset of the chinese new year with massive numbers of travelers moving out of the country to spread the virus. This outbreak could definitely have been foisted upon the chinese by an outside force. I think it's entirely safe to assume malfeasance, though, based on what is obvious from impartial observation.

The worst of the spread of what at one time was NOT a pandemic in the US was the suppression of medical intervention. But unless the suppression was successful the emergency authorization for the many expensive vaxxes could not be implemented. And so we can easily trace the events and the government decrees that led to suppression of drugs that could have saved lives while medical science caught up sufficiently to work out formal treatment protocols. Testing itself was botched on purpose as part of the medical suppression. To have watched this happen with my own eyes was and is excruciating.

Medicine has always been a sacred profession as far as I'm concerned. Huge portions of my life have been spent working overtime to bring new medical interventions to market. Think the very first automated defib. I designed and built test fixtures for the FDA compliance testing and final approval for those devices. Today I have a very difficult time believing that medical science could have been compromised as thoroughly as it has been this past year or so. I mean to the extent that when I fractured my left leg not long ago I could not find decent medical care. The entire system has been disrupted with MD's afraid to practice medicine. What's much worse is that the medical expertise that would protect us from dangerous vaxxes has been silenced. It is difficult indeed to see an entire industry that you once invested so much time, energy, and faith in become neutered and dead. All for the sake of - what? I ask not only 'who benefits' but what is it that they gain? In the end, whomever they are, they gain nothing. On the other hand, I've had my eyes opened, as many others have. And that is a good thing.

From a public health standpoint I wonder what you might have done if you'd had a free hand when that first infected individual walked off the airplane at SeaTac, or when the first infections were detected in British Columbia, just across the water from where I live. Would you have been following the science as I did, studying the first journal articles going into pre-print? Of course. When we discovered that depleted zinc and supplementation using an ionophore was a key to treatment wouldn't you be on that bandwagon? Of course. Except the bandwagon was hijacked right out from under us. What did you think of that cruise ship that was allowed to land and everyone disembark on the east coast early in the 'pandemic?' Personally, I couldn't believe it. Not long afterward New York was toast. From a public health standpoint I'd think that you'd be quite frustrated by now. If not incensed.

Sorry for this rant. I for one would like to hear more from you. How can emergency authorization be given to the vaxx when conventional options were available? Did you consider the use of hydroxychloroquine to be dangerous? Ivermectin? Quercertin? I'm not looking for a flame war. I'm simply curious. We certainly have a lot of evidence now that conventional medications are effective, and that natural antibodies are evident and protective. If an emergency authorization for a new med is approved, and there is evidence that the emergency med actually has a damaging effect on the body's innate immune system, how can it be justified?

[pueblo]

Good video.

Dr. Peter McCullough has been the world's most prominent and vocal advocate for early outpatient treatment of SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) Infection in order to prevent hospitalization and death. On May 19, 2021, he was interviewed regarding his efforts as a treating physician and researcher. From his unique vantage point, he has observed and documented a PROFOUNDLY DISTURBING POLICY RESPONSE to the pandemic -- a policy response that may prove to be the greatest malpractice and malfeasance in the history of medicine and public health.

Dr. McCullough is an internist, cardiologist, epidemiologist, and Professor of Medicine at Texas A & M College of Medicine, Dallas, TX USA. Since the outset of the pandemic, Dr. McCullough has been a leader in the medical response to the COVID-19 disaster and has published “Pathophysiological Basis and Rationale for Early Outpatient Treatment of SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) Infection” the first synthesis of sequenced multidrug treatment of ambulatory patients infected with SARS-CoV-2 in the American Journal of Medicine and subsequently updated in Reviews in Cardiovascular Medicine.

He has 40 peer-reviewed publications on the infection and has commented extensively on the medical response to the COVID-19 crisis in TheHill and on FOX NEWS Channel. On November 19, 2020, Dr. McCullough testified in the US Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs and throughout 2021 in the Texas Senate Committee on Health and Human Services, Colorado General Assembly, and New Hampshire Senate concerning many aspects of the pandemic response.

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Source: https://www.bitchute.com/video/kEpPR06r1rcn

[Tintin]

[Hermoor]

[Tintin]

I've now listened to this twice, and I'd also recommend The Last American Vagabond interview that Taylor Hudak conducted recently with Dr Roger Hodkinson. That was a great educational showcase.

Byram Bridle interview | ON Point with Alex Pierson: May 28th, 2021
Source: https://omny.fm/shows/on-point-with-...ge#description


Source: https://www.bitchute.com/video/nuM0G6PqgwIK

There is a download option on that page.

Description

Alex talks with Dr. Byram Bridle, an Associate Professor on Viral Immunology at the University of Guelph about new peer-reviewed studies that suggests there may be terrifying reasons side effects such as heart inflammation, VITT, and other serious issues may occur in those who have been vaccinated

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TLAV - Dr. Roger Hodkinson Interview - COVID-19 Vaccines, Infertility & Spike Protein Dangers

https://odysee.com/@Jadu200:7/Dr.-Ho...n-Dangers_HD:c

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The paper to which both are referring is the Ogata paper.

PubMed: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34015087/

Title: Circulating SARS-CoV-2 Vaccine Antigen Detected in the Plasma of mRNA-1273 Vaccine Recipients

Abstract: SARS-CoV-2 proteins were measured in longitudinal plasma samples collected from 13 participants who received two doses of mRNA-1273 vaccine. 11 of 13 participants showed detectable levels of SARS-CoV-2 protein as early as day one after first vaccine injection. Clearance of detectable SARS-CoV-2 protein correlated with production of IgG and IgA.

Link to PDF: https://watermark.silverchair.com/ci...Cfgb3Rpfuo_BbS

[jaybee]

Posted by Tintin (here)
Description

Alex talks with Dr. Byram Bridle, an Associate Professor on Viral Immunology at the University of Guelph about new peer-reviewed studies that suggests there may be terrifying reasons side effects such as heart inflammation, VITT, and other serious issues may occur in those who have been vaccinated

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Good short video (in post above) covering some basic points... thanks

But I have to say it's mind boggling that ANY doctor or health expert would think that the mRNA 'vaccine' was going to stay in the shoulder /arm muscle and not go into the bloodstream...

I'm not a doctor but I could have told them that it wasn't going to stay in the upper arm muscle.... I mean really what the hell is going on that any doctor would think that...

I looked for a quote to illustrate the point...

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/323115#uses

Intramuscular injections have other advantages too. The muscles have a plentiful supply of blood, which helps ensure that the body absorbs the medication quickly. The tissue in the muscles can also hold more medication than fatty tissue.

[Old Student]

Also agreed that there is no smoking gun at this time to prove that the release was done purposefully. However the coverup is so insanely ubiquitous and contrived that it's difficult to avoid such a conclusion.

You are wildly underestimating what China believes it has on the line regardless of whether anything was done purposefully. And you need to factor in that the government there has virtually promised its people that they can find a foreign vector that is the "real source" of the virus. And how much of Chinese government is based on extreme nationalism and ethnicity, carefully cloaked in party principles or Confucianism or slogans like Belt & Road.

They really, really, really need this to not be even the slightest bit their fault. If for no other reason than that SARS-CoV, the original, in 2002, that spawned all the research and the mad scramble to figure out how to make a vaccine for a coronavirus (almost the equivalent of a "cure for the common cold") -- that "covid" -- was from China.

Today I have a very difficult time believing that medical science could have been compromised as thoroughly as it has been this past year or so.

Here's the thing. I can almost agree with this comment, but you and I see the corruption in two entirely different places. The vaxxes are not the result of short term research they've been under study since SARS-CoV "1". The for-profit medical industry? Anybody who watches daytime TV has seen the proliferation of tons of drugs that have been approved with dozens of side effects. That kind of approval requires that the drug be treating something life threatening or completely debilitating. And yet drugs that can cause PML or tardive are being hawked on TV with an "ask your doctor..." as if you should get them for the asking. Many of them are more deadly than many of the schedule I drugs, ironically.

But that's where I look askance at the industry. Doctors traditionally did infections, contagions and trauma, and they're really really good at those traditions. Nowadays, practice has shifted into chronic conditions and pain. And they're being treated as if they know just as much about those, which they don't. Not yet, anyway. And for-profit industries are allowed to fund specific basic research at universities.

But like I said, doctors are really good at infections, contagions, and trauma. And Covid is an infection and a contagion. This is what they really are good at. An epidemic of obesity, or clinical depression, not so much.

From a public health standpoint I wonder what you might have done if you'd had a free hand when that first infected individual walked off the airplane at SeaTac, or when the first infections were detected in British Columbia, just across the water from where I live.

First, to answer your question. I would have done what public health officials did in California at the first sign of community spread. Shut.It.Down.
A second point: I am not public health, I have done event medicine. I do trust public health. I believe it is the last thing in the world that should be politicized. I think it should be more like on Star Trek, where Beverly Crusher orders Jean-Luc Picard to bed.

Sorry for this rant. I for one would like to hear more from you. How can emergency authorization be given to the vaxx when conventional options were available? Did you consider the use of hydroxychloroquine to be dangerous? Ivermectin? Quercertin?

1) EUA was granted to get the country vaccinated. There were no "conventional options" there was no alternative vaccination, the numbers were absolute disaster looming. It isn't just that the numbers were high, there was a trend that at each peak the trough was also higher. Such sustained numbers invites new strains, in addition to all the people it was killing (more than one 9/11 per day).
2) Hydroxychloroquine failed to work when tested more rigorously. Those who proposed it were just sharing an anecdotal result hoping to add to the possible methods, but when actually tested in a small study (meaning statistically sound but not very big), it failed to work.
3) Quercertin was proposed as an anti-inflammatory -- to be used during treatment not as a preventative. Results were inconclusive, it failed replication of the Chinese study.
4) Ivermectin, I hadn't heard of, so I looked it up. The paper claiming efficacy was leaked somehow before peer review. South American scientists failed to be able to replicate or show any efficacy and the paper was retracted.

Other treatments (because all of the above are proposed treatments, none convey immunity or prevent contracting the disease):
dexamethasone -- needs to be timed but can counteract cytokine storm. Note that people do also die of cardiovascular failure if they survive the storm regularly.
monoclonal antibodies -- these work. They are not widespread because of bad rollout and because they require transfusion not just a shot.
Hanging patients in prone position.
Waiting as long as possible before tubing patients.

We certainly have a lot of evidence now that conventional medications are effective, and that natural antibodies are evident and protective.

As above on effective medicines. None of them is a "cure" none of them is a prophylactic, all of them are treatments for people who have become very sick.

Natural antibodies are protective. Getting the disease to get them is flirting with death. Especially if you are older or have other medical conditions.

A disease that fails to completely die out as would happen with herd immunity due to vaccines, will become endemic and will also mutate. So far, the belief that those mutations will be milder or less infectious has been proven dead wrong.

[iota]

first of all to the whole Hellium business, of course Natalie AND i were correct in drawing the assumptions that we did based on the information given BY Hellium

it just turns out that there was "more" to the story not being disclosed and its not my place to do it ... but suffice it to say that the reasons for support are more than is evidenced in public. i would not have disclosed this publicly if the inexplicable support had NOT been public as well

i will drop this because i'm not very good at saying anything other than what i know to be true

my only parting admonition will be:

the NEXT time i or someone gives you a compliment?

perhaps a simple "Thank you" or silence would be MOST appropriate

instead of allowing EGO to rule and retort and retort and retort to say:

"woman you are mistaken about me!! i'm NOT awesome! i'm a devious bastard!

NO, NO, NO!! ME? ... Mistaken? ...... > heavens NO!!

why i did ALL of that ON PURPPOSE!!"

AND

"let me now explain to you point by point the clever traps i set,

to bait for the purpose of controversy,

information i was WELL aware of but withheld

KNWING it could create CHAOS

because in the end i think we should play more games here!"

Just take it for granted that THOSE activities/disclosures will NOT be met with a word of encouragement? but rather a WT*????

WE did NOT KNOW THAT and would NOT have responded to THAT if you had just been SILENT

sometimes it is BEST to walk away from computer because if YOU KEEP ON RESPONDING (repeatedly)

just take it for granted that someone WILL RESPOND BACK

As for Old Student's response:

Posted by Old Student (here)

What all of us at Avalon would much prefer is a TESTED vaccine, not some experimental solution that's using basic genetic engineering that's questionable in itself.

If this is the distinction between an emergency use authorization and full FDA approval, and that is what you would prefer and accept, then I have to look askance at all of the trafficking in videos (especially) and other things that were taken down

("censored" to use the expression in some circles).

They were taken down because of cease and desist orders from that same FDA because they went over the line into dangerous

so let's just talk about this point for a moment

WHO is the FDA and what RIGHT do they have to CENSOR?

Censorship is NOT:

"the expression used in some circles"

CENSORSHIP IS what is taking place!

if something was patently FALSE? then simple identification and disclosure of Truth would suffice

the obliteration of ALL opposing views and denial of intelligent adults to examine ALL information available and formulate their own opinions IS CENSORSHIP

and a right NO agency HAS over sovereign BEINGS

i, for one, will NOT have my beliefs dictated nor be treated as an ignorant fool OR a child that MUST be "regulated" in what i will be ALLOWED or NOT to consider

arms have been taken up for such affronts
and i can certainly understand that

ONLY those who have been subjugated, SILENCED, "groomed", "programmed" TO:

OBEY > ACQUIESCE > COMPLY

or are otherwise "unsure" of themselves and therefore looking TO or trusting an external source outside of themselves?

STILL > blindly obey and comply

the REST OF US? > take exception to these CENSORSHIP practices

so please label it not "expression used" EVER again as that IS FALSE

so IF you choose to? you are choosing to participate in this deception, propaganda and that will be CLEAR to ALL

now let's take a closer look at the FDA itself

one of the first articles i see says:

Stakeholders can’t sue FDA over NAC warning letters

Keyword: > Stakeholders

also here is a video fpr FDA Registration and US Agent Representation.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=7sT_SDsFGVA

by NO stretch of the imagination can it be alleged that the FDA is NOT an unbiased government agency .. there are articles even in mainstream media that actually report in writing in black and white that THAT is laughable


FORBES article here

When you ask anyone involved in drug R&D about pro-industry bias on the part of the FDA, they laugh

.

that SAME article in fact states:

"Caroline Chen of ProPublica has written a provocative article challenging the objectivity of the FDA in its approval of new drugs. Entitled:

“FDA Repays Industry by Rushing Risky Drugs to Market”,

Chen contends that the agency is beholden to the biopharmaceutical industry which pays three quarters of the FDA’s budget used for the drug review process.

This is an astounding number. Is any other federal agency supported to this extent by the industry it regulates?"

Read full article here:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnlam...his-a-problem/

please take a moment to reflect on THAT

THREE QUARTERS of the FDA budget is derived FROM the biopharmaceutical industry

in my estimation? that alone would disqualify ANY notion of the FDA acting as an UNBIASED agent and further, complete RECUSAL would be more appropriate as long as this factor is allowed to continue

EVEN Governors that are typically ALIGNED with the CONTROL DOMINATION PROGRAMMING of the Social Narrative question the FDA ... here is one article that states:

Governors Question Credibility of FDA as Americans Wait for COVID-19 Vaccine

and they show this pic:

must be pretty blatant and OBVIOUS when EVEN THAT guy breaks rank and questions the FDA agency i think ....

"The governors of two of the most populous states in the union have cast doubts about the integrity of the Food and Drug Administration’s approval process for the forthcoming COVID-19 vaccine.

California Gov. Gavin Newsom announced on Monday that he would be establishing a commission in California to review each vaccine’s safety after the FDA approves the first vaccine. He told reporters that his state “won’t take anyone’s word” for the safety of the vaccine — even if that “anyone” is the highly respected, career medical professionals at the FDA.

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo similarly cast doubts about the veracity of the FDA’s approval process. He told ABC News on Sunday that he was “not confident” in the safety of pending COVID-19 vaccines.

“You’re going to say to the American people, ‘Now here’s a vaccine. It was new. It was done quickly. But trust this federal administration and their health administration that it’s safe and we’re not 100% sure of the consequences?’ I think it’s going to be a very skeptical American public about taking the vaccine, and they should be,” Cuomo said.

“You’re going to need someone other than this FDA and this CDC saying it’s safe,” he later added. "

full article here:
https://accountablescience.com/gover...id-19-vaccine/

[Old Student]

I will just spare us all from further unfruitful interactions and assign you and Old Student to my Ignore list.

I'm honored and have also done the same for you.

[iota]

Posted by Old Student (here)

I will just spare us all from further unfruitful interactions and assign you and Old Student to my Ignore list.

I'm honored and have also done the same for you.

SEE? ... THIS is the kind of ENDLESS retorts that are TROLLING, antagonize people and beget responses you REALLY don't want

you do NOT seem to be actually "UNintelligent" so i would say your intelligence and ability to comprehend the English language would make you WELL AWARE that you have antagonized people

in an INSENSITIVE MANNER since there has BEEN LOSS of LIFE here

WHO DOES THAT?

WHAT IS YOUR PRUPOSE?

ARE YOU AT LEAST PAID FOR THIS?

OR JUST INDIVIDUALLY INSENSITIVE, ANTAGONISTIC BENT, DEPRAVED, HUMAN BEING?

and can WE maybe take up a GOFUND collection or something to make you STOP?

How much are they paying and let's see if maybe we can top it?

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Old Student (here)
I think that is permission to speak freely.

You have permission. Please speak to Karen. We're waiting.

We're still waiting.

And waiting, and waiting.

Why might people reading this thread think you don't want to respond to this?

[Delight]

Sharing some resources I found here. Had not ever seen some......

⁣Free Multi Format Downloads

⁣The Vaccine Watchman 1888
by Stokes, W. D
https://archive.org/details/b30478637

The Poisoned Needle 1957 by ⁣Eleanor McBean ⁣ 283 pages
⁣https://archive.org/details/the-poisoned-needle

⁣Swine Flu Expose ⁣1977 ⁣by Eleanora McBean 71 pages
⁣https://archive.org/details/Sw....ineFluExposeEleanora

⁣Vaccination, the silent killer : a clear and present danger 1977 ⁣Eleanor McBean 132 pages
⁣https://archive.org/details/vaccinationsilen00hono

& More TRUTH

⁣25 Years Old Newspaper Article About the Wuhan Bug... (plus current situation update)
⁣https://youtu.be/CzSyk-kjMrM


⁣The 1918 “Spanish Flu”: Only The Vaccinated Diedhttps://salmartingano.com/2020..../05/the-1918-spanish

⁣Did a Military Experimental Vaccine in 1918 Kill 50-100 Million People Blamed as “Spanish Flu”?
⁣https://vaccineimpact.com/2018..../did-military-experi

⁣Bacteria were the real killers in 1918 flu pandemic
⁣https://www.newscientist.com/a....rticle/dn14458-bacte

⁣https://manfromatlan.blogspot.....com/2017/01/vaccine-

⁣Swine Flu Expose = ⁣SWINE FLU ANOTHER MEDICALLY-MADE EPIDEMIC
⁣http://www.whale.to/a/mcbean2.html

⁣COVID-19: Another Chapter in the History of Deception and Secrecy
⁣https://salmartingano.com/2020..../05/covid-19-another

⁣‘Professor Lockdown’ Modeler Resigns in Disgrace
⁣https://www.nationalreview.com..../corner/professor-lo

⁣The media, Facebook, Google, YouTube, and other “privately” owned communications outlets have become the self-proclaimed “guardians” (censors) of information.



On April 26, 2020, Twitter suspended the account of a publicly traded biotech company for sharing information about a non-medicinal UV light therapy for COVID-19.

⁣YouTube and Twitter Censor Pharma Company Researching UV Light Treatment for Chinese Virus
⁣https://www.breitbart.com/tech..../2020/04/26/youtube-

⁣“The medical profession is being bought by the pharmaceutical industry, not only in terms of the practice of medicine, but also in terms of teaching and research. The academic institutions of this country are allowing themselves to be the paid agents of the pharmaceutical industry. I think it’s disgraceful.”Arnold RelmanFormer Editor of the New England Journal of Medicinehttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p....mc/articles/PMC11260



⁣The Germ Theory Deception - Viruses, 5G , Vaccines ...
⁣http://entityart.co.uk/the-ger....m-theory-deception-v


ALL TOO CONVENIENT =

The main drug produced by the owners of ⁣Apotex Inc., was ⁣⁣Hydroxychloroquine.

The Mysterious Death Of Apotex Founder Barry Sherman, Manufacturer of Covid-19 REMEDY
⁣https://capforcanada.com/the-m....ysterious-death-of-a

⁣Barry and Honey Sherman: The mystery of the strangled billionaires
⁣https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42864082

⁣Who Killed the Billionaire Founder of a Generic Drug Empire?
⁣https://www.bloomberg.com/feat....ures/2018-apotex-bil

⁣The “Deadly” Hydroxychloroquine Publishing Scandal
⁣https://off-guardian.org/2020/....06/23/the-deadly-hyd


⁣Thousands of Doctors: Yes, Hydroxychloroquine Works Against Wuhan Coronavirus
⁣https://townhall.com/tipsheet/....katiepavlich/2020/04

⁣Finally, States Are Retracting Hydroxychloroquine Bans
⁣https://townhall.com/columnist....s/christinaherrin/20

⁣Hydroxychloroquine Has about 90 Percent Chance of Helping COVID-19 Patients
⁣https://aapsonline.org/hcq-90-percent-chance/

⁣Study finds 84% fewer hospitalizations for patients treated with controversial drug hydroxychloroquine
⁣https://www.washingtonexaminer.....com/news/study-find

[Delight]

Posted by Delight (here)
More coming to light everyday.

https://twitter.com/arkmedic/status/1398803725272043520

This leaked #Pfizer study from the EMA shows that the #vaccine particles are hugely sequestered into the ovaries.

And they knew just where nonolipids like to head

[Old Student]

And waiting, and waiting.

Why might people reading this thread think you don't want to respond to this?

I'm really not sure. I said what I wanted to say, so I'm really not sure what you're waiting for. I wasn't asking permission I was saying I had it and I would not hold back on Delight. I didn't. Is it that you thought I would say something more than that? No.

Delight re-posts stuff that is dismal from a scientific point of view. "Only if you have a death wish, is the jab for you. Stephanie Seneff is a trust worthy scientist." Really? Stephanie Seneff is an NLP researcher from MIT AI lab. She once wrote a fairly decent piece on what people didn't know about the actions of bloodstream cholesterol. She got pasted by the medical community for it (wrongly, I believe), and went completely off the deep end, signing on to anything and everything that was against that community. I can understand why she did that, but that doesn't make what she comes out with nowadays any less trash. I worked on NLP briefly, or more properly worked on standards affected by NLP research and had to read and follow NLP to do so. It's about as far from being knowledgeable about vaccines as any discipline under the sun.

@iota:

EE? ... THIS is the kind of ENDLESS retorts that are TROLLING, antagonize people and beget responses you REALLY don't want

you do NOT seem to be actually "UNintelligent" so i would say your intelligence and ability to comprehend the English language would make you WELL AWARE that you have antagonized people

I said nothing at all to onawah, he just included me in his screed to Helium. So I responded. If that's trolling, it's the first time I've ever heard of a troll being trolled for a response before he's said anything to said person.

As for whether what I say antagonizes people, the feeling is mutual. I would like this disease to end. As in kaput, dead, smallpox non-existent. That won't happen where I am for one simple reason: People deciding not to get vaccinated.

The stats for this disease are that 1/3 of those infected get long haul symptoms (permanent disabilities of some form, some mild, some crippling). That puts the figures for this (Worldometer stats) at 610,000 dead, 27,939,000+ cases * 1/3 = 9,313,000+ injured. Those are for the U.S. I have relations as do quite a lot of people with India. The death toll there is (top of the bell curve) 1.5 million, with low end 673,000 and high end 4.1 million dead.

This is a world wide disaster. You strike me as trying so hard you have to pass around stuff that the FDA has deemed harmful or capable of causing harm, to avoid getting to the end of the crisis.

You can yell troll or impolite or anything you want at me, my question is why? Why do you try so hard to keep us from getting rid of this scourge. My second question is, do you really think your civil rights allow you to endanger others? My third question is, have you ever lived where people die of disease regularly? Have you ever treated someone who's dying?

Stop worrying about why I might want to try to talk some sense with regard to some of the sloppy science that shows up on this thread. I'm not interested in seeing it cause any death and destruction. That's all. It isn't nefarious, it's basic medicine.

[Delight]

Posted by Old Student (here)
Why do you try so hard to keep us from getting rid of this scourge. My second question is, do you really think your civil rights allow you to endanger others?

This is a trial experiment with EUA authorization only because treatments were suppressed. Many deaths were iatrogenic (think misuse of ventilators). The vaccinated can still catch and pass on Covid. NO ONE knows what the long term effects will be of the jab. Indications are that the very future of reproduction may be at risk.

Why is the vaccine being pushed? Why are people being paid to talk up the vaccine and shame those who are exercising the RIGHT to decline an experimental treatment? Make sure people get it because even with bad effects, its then just too late to complain...the one way door.

Lots of people have been educated to see (certain groups of) human beings as a scourge. The belief is that there are too many people. The very old are a burden and the very young a huge social investment. A Great Reset to The Fourth Industrial Revolution is the Savior. That is all laid out in plain view so we know the plan.

Some people are this plan's minions. Some are JUST NOT.

[helium]

Posted by Old Student (here)

This is a world wide disaster. You strike me as trying so hard you have to pass around stuff that the FDA has deemed harmful or capable of causing harm, to avoid getting to the end of the crisis.

You can yell troll or impolite or anything you want at me, my question is why? Why do you try so hard to keep us from getting rid of this scourge. My second question is, do you really think your civil rights allow you to endanger others? My third question is, have you ever lived where people die of disease regularly? Have you ever treated someone who's dying?

Stop worrying about why I might want to try to talk some sense with regard to some of the sloppy science that shows up on this thread. I'm not interested in seeing it cause any death and destruction. That's all. It isn't nefarious, it's basic medicine.

Helium respects your knowledge and experience. Obviously, though, you trust the FDA as well as the CDC and WHO? It does seem as if there is enough evidence that those three-letter agencies do NOT have the best interests of humanity in mind as the disaster unfolds.

I agree that there is a lot of sloppy science to be found on this forum. We are supposed to be astute enough to winnow the chaff. Of course some are not as capable as others in doing so. However this is a *learning* environment. We learn by sharing.

My problem is that there is an incredible amount of so-called science in the world beyond this forum that is just as sloppy and is causing great harm. I'm not attempting to change anyone's mind about what is real, moral, or justified. But from my point of view and there are others who agree with me, medicine has been hijacked - the kind of medicine you, I'm sure, have entrusted throughout your career. As I have.

If it were not for the fact that I've dealt personally with a great deal of death and human trauma I wouldn't be as focused on how it is that this world wide disaster we're discussing has become the deeper disaster that it is. Would I sacrifice myself for the greater good? Yes. I've done it many times. I'll do it again, and again. Without empathy we lose our humanity. It takes more than intellect to parse the events of this past year and a half. The events do not add up if you assume that actions taken by government agencies are for the good of all. Banning early treatment with known safe drugs that have proven to work is not something the FDA is going to be able to justify when the dust has settled on this mess. So I have to ask again, what is your opinion on the use of treatments based on ivermectin, HCQ, quercertin, etc.? Can you point to actual scientific research that demonstrates that they are ineffective? If so, I need to see it. Hopefully that research was not published in the Lancet.

The FDA had no basis whatsoever to ban early treatment with these drugs - other than to control the flow of both money and political power. I can't see it any other way without closing my eyes.

As far as the accusations of trolling and appearing insensitive I think they need to be set aside. They are off topic. They arise, though, because this forum has always held high standards for polite discussion. There are some who would throw these standards out the window to 'uphold' those standards. And there are those like you and I who stumble in this environment when we're called to go all the way back to basics to share complicated material with those who haven't had the experience or education we've had. All I can say is that tolerance works both ways.

[iota]

Old Student:

OMG! and a friend here was just on me that since "X" event? i needed to laugh again!

All right … what Bill was asking and wondering is where is your basic human decency? you could have just apologized given the situation that you have been speaking to SO callously .. NO "spiritual" person would lack empathy to THIS degree ..just sayin' ...

and believe it or not, i was kinda giving you the benefit of the doubt that there was a TEENIE chance you were for real and NOT that you are just posting from a long list of “Accepted Responses” to copy and paste that are just “Standard issue” irrespective of the fact they are MISinformation to promulgate a deceptive "Official Narrative"

QUESTION?

Is it ok if I break this down in pieces and posts?

Cause I can do a whole paper on each sentence that you wrote

And it COULD get tediously long ...

And THAT is what happened in my FIRST response btw so i just stopped


So … let’s begin

Shall we?

Posted by Old Student (here)
“I said nothing at all to onawah, he just included me in his screed to Helium. So I responded. If that's trolling, it's the first time I've ever heard of a troll being trolled for a response before he's said anything to said person.”

OS? ..... TROLL:

please let me know if you need clarification

I will have to take the time to perform the tedious (and decidedly unpleasant) task to pull up instance after instance where you HAVE DONE THIS ..

BUT .. if you insist …

NEXT POINT:

Posted by Old Student (here)
“ I would like this disease to end. As in kaput, dead, smallpox non-existent. That won't happen where I am for one simple reason: People deciding not to get vaccinated.”

Let’s just go to ONLY one hospital in this country currently held hostage by the assertion that WHAT you stated is a FACT rather than a TOOL to control and subjugate the people of this planet:

100% of people in hospital on COVID floor have been vaccinated




Source: https://www.bitchute.com/video/IqwfBJUoFKhZ/

Going easy here but for the sake of CLARITY

100% MEANS EVERYONE

As in GETTING VACCINATED did NOT only NOT bring this “disease to end” but the ENTIRE floor OF VACCINATED people HAVE COVID

Let me know if that needs a moment to compute, and I need to break down the rather CLEAR and OBVIOUS implications here ….

And SOME ASSISTANCE just in case …

Here is ONE comment from an individual who had NO “comprehension disability” as to the implications:

“So the hospitals are full of people who just got their 2nd vax. They're in the Covid ward which means they tested positive for covid.


And now they are trying to play catch up and smooth out the "not wearing the mask if vaccinated" indoors story.


Now the vaxed will spread it to the unvaxed. All the while the news is hysterically reporting of at a hysterical pitch that it's the highly contagious, infectious, new mutant covid.”

OR

(and apologies in advance if the WHO is your employer .. but they have sold you out)

Top WHO scientist says vaccinated travelers should still quarantine,
citing lack of evidence that COVID-19 vaccines prevent transmission

Business Insider reports:

"The World Health Organization's chief scientist, Dr. Soumya Swaminathan, has urged people to be cautious with their behavior even after receiving a COVID-19 vaccine.

Swaminathan told a Monday briefing there was not yet enough evidence from vaccine trials "to be confident that it's going to prevent people from actually getting the infection and therefore being able to pass it on."

She added that at least for now, even people who had received the vaccine should still quarantine when traveling to countries with lower coronavirus transmission rates.

Vaccine researchers in the US are trying to determine whether vaccines can stop the virus from spreading or are effective only at preventing symptomatic cases of COVID-19.

Article here:
https://www.businessinsider.com/who-...r=US&IR=T&op=1

ok ... a couple of sentences down more to go .. sigh ...

[iota]

Posted by Old Student (here)
“The stats for this disease are that 1/3 of those infected get long haul symptoms (permanent disabilities of some form, some mild, some crippling). That puts the figures for this (Worldometer stats) at 610,000 dead, 27,939,000+ cases * 1/3 = 9,313,000+ injured. Those are for the U.S. I have relations as do quite a lot of people with India. The death toll there is (top of the bell curve) 1.5 million, with low end 673,000 and high end 4.1 million dead.”

Did you actually quote STATS?

as in direct implication (insinuation) that they have ANY (F)ACTUAL validity?

you truly ARE an amusing man ...

well … ok then

HERE is the infamous private corporation the CDC itself!

CDC ADMITS AT LEAST 96% OF DEATHS
ATTRIBUTED TO COVID19

WERE DEATHS FROM OTHER CAUSES

Source: https://www.bitchute.com/video/cvNloum9UHnK/

I’d have to search deeper in my personal records, but pretty sure I have the ACTUAL PDF and link that hospitals received with DIRECTIVE TO classify deaths AS COVID irrespective of evidence to the contrary in the EARLY stages of the initiation of the WORLDWIDE imprisonment

NOT to mention the fact that STUDY found:

"CDC Broke Federal Law By Manipulating COVID-19 Death Statistics

A study published in the journal Science, Public Health Policy & the Law recently claims that the CDC violated federal law by inflating COVID-19 fatality statistics

The study is titled “COVID-19 Data Collection, Comorbidity & Federal Law: A Historical Retrospective.”

it can be read here


AND From the Abstract:


"According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) on August 23, 2020, “For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19 , on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death.”

For a nation tormented by restrictive public health policies mandated for healthy individuals and small businesses, this is the most important statistical revelation of this crisis. This revelation significantly impacts the published fatalities count due to COVID-19.

More importantly, it exposes major problems with the process by which the CDC was able to generate inaccurate data during a crisis.

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Patrick Howley, writing for National File, reported:

The groundbreaking peer-reviewed research… asserts that the CDC willfully violated multiple federal laws including the Information Quality Act, Paperwork Reduction Act, and Administrative Procedures Act at minimum. (Publishing Journal – Institute for Pure and Applied Knowledge / Public Health Policy Initiative)

“Most notably, the CDC illegally enacted new rules for data collection and reporting exclusively for COVID-19 that resulted in a 1,600% inflation of current COVID-19 fatality totals,” the watchdog group All Concerned Citizens declared in a statement provided to NATIONAL FILE, referring to the Institute for Pure and Applied Knowledge study.

The research demonstrates that the CDC failed to apply for mandatory federal oversight and failed to open a mandatory period for public scientific comment in both instances as is required by federal law before enacting new rules for data collection and reporting.

“The CDC is required to be in full compliance with all federal laws even during emergency situations. The research asserts that CDC willfully compromised the accuracy and integrity of all COVID-19 case and fatality data from the onset of this crisis in order to fraudulently inflate case and fatality data,” stated All Concerned Citizens.

On March 24th the CDC published the NVSS COVID-19 Alert No. 2 document instructing medical examiners, coroners and physicians to deemphasize underlying causes of death, also referred to as pre-existing conditions or comorbidities, by recording them in Part II rather than Part I of death certificates as “…the underlying cause of death are expected to result in COVID-19 being the underlying cause of death more often than not.”

This was a major rule change for death certificate reporting from the CDC’s 2003 Coroners’ Handbook on Death Registration and Fetal Death Reporting and Physicians’ Handbook on Medical Certification of Death, which have instructed death reporting professionals nationwide to report underlying conditions in Part I for the previous 17 years.

This single change resulted in a significant inflation of COVID-19 fatalities by instructing that COVID-19 be listed in Part I of death certificates as a definitive cause of death regardless of confirmatory evidence, rather than listed in Part II as a contributor to death in the presence of pre-existing conditions, as would have been done using the 2003 guidelines.

“The research draws attention to this key distinction as it has led to a significant inflation in COVID fatality totals. By the researcher’s estimates, COVID-19 recorded fatalities are inflated nationwide by as much as 1600% above what they would be had the CDC used the 2003 handbooks,” stated All Concerned Citizens.

Then on April 14th, the CDC adopted additional rules exclusive for COVID-19 in violation of federal law by outsourcing data collection rule development to the Council of State and Territorial Epidemiologists (CSTE), a non-profit entity, again without applying for oversight and opening opportunity for public scientific review.

On April 5th the CSTE published a position paper Standardized surveillance case definition and national notification for 2019 novel coronavirus disease (COVID-19) listing 5 CDC employees as subject matter experts.

“This key document created new rules for counting probable cases as actual cases without definitive proof of infection (section VII.A1 – pages 4 & 5), new rules for contact tracing allowing contact tracers to practice medicine without a license (section VII.A3 – page 5), and yet refused to define new rules for ensuring that the same person could not be counted multiple times as a new case (section VII.B – page 7),” stated All Concerned Citizens.

By enacting these new rules exclusively for COVID-19 in violation of federal law, the research alleges that the CDC significantly inflated data that has been used by elected officials and public health officials, in conjunction with unproven projection models from the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME), to justify extended closures for schools, places of worship, entertainment, and small businesses leading to unprecedented emotional and economic hardships nationwide.”

Article here:
https://humansarefree.com/2021/02/cd...tatistics.html

and now? .. i fear i, myself, am going to grow old even just sifting through hundreds of references ALL disproving your points ..

and THAT is just going through MY personal records, you don't think i'm doing research from scratch do you? but i WILL continue .... on to next point >