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    I've been trying for months to get through to my 18yr old daughter who's away at uni to not get the vaccine. She's just told me on the phone she's definitely getting it as it's the right thing to do as everyone else is taking it 😭..I can't stop crying. I feel like I've lost her already because she believes the lie ..I don't know what to do 💔💔💔


    The only thing I can possibly suggest — which always sounds reasonable to me! — is to draw attention to this very probably being an irreversible decision.

    One can always delay, and then choose to get the shot later. But once you've had the shot, you can't go back in time and undo that.

    And there's good reason to delay. Not to refuse, and dig in hard. Just to delay.

    That's because (as most reading this know) there may well be serious safety issues which aren't yet well or widely understood, and more work is being done on this all the time.

    It's about science (properly done) — which is about collecting data and always reviewing one's best hypothesis. And in this 'experiment', NOT all the data has been collected yet, by any possible measurement.

    The question to pose is this:
    Suppose this has long-term effects? How would you know this early?
    The remedy for that is simply to wait a while longer. You could even make a deal with her: wait three months, look at all the available information, and then if she still wants to take the shot, you'll never mention it again.

    This is lovely, sound advice Bill. Thank you. I guess this is invaluable. not only as a thoughtful way of talking things through with our loved ones and folk ready to get jabbed, but also, what you've expressed is helpful for those of us un-jabbed who have to navigate the awkward and frankly horrible "Which vaccine did you get?" conversation. This is something we can raise in our defence.

    Janette, perhaps you could gently talk to your daughter about Eric Clapton and his thoughts on his daughters getting jabbed and infertility. Isn't it that the spike protein is nearly identical to a protein that helps attach the fetus to the womb lining? I'm sure I read that earlier on.
    Hi Bassplayer1 yes I watched the Eric Clapton video recently which might be helpful as he was thinking he was doing the right thing too and now he can't play guitar. The turnaround from him being willing too really regretting taking it is all too real to deny ..Thank you. My heart goes out to re your husband taking the jab 💜I've been doing alot of asking the universe for her protection too and anybody else who's taken it..in this life and beyond xx sending you positive healing 💖xx

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    I've been trying for months to get through to my 18yr old daughter who's away at uni to not get the vaccine. She's just told me on the phone she's definitely getting it as it's the right thing to do as everyone else is taking it 😭..I can't stop crying. I feel like I've lost her already because she believes the lie ..I don't know what to do 💔💔💔


    The only thing I can possibly suggest — which always sounds reasonable to me! — is to draw attention to this very probably being an irreversible decision.

    One can always delay, and then choose to get the shot later. But once you've had the shot, you can't go back in time and undo that.

    And there's good reason to delay. Not to refuse, and dig in hard. Just to delay.

    That's because (as most reading this know) there may well be serious safety issues which aren't yet well or widely understood, and more work is being done on this all the time.

    It's about science (properly done) — which is about collecting data and always reviewing one's best hypothesis. And in this 'experiment', NOT all the data has been collected yet, by any possible measurement.

    The question to pose is this:
    Suppose this has long-term effects? How would you know this early?
    The remedy for that is simply to wait a while longer. You could even make a deal with her: wait three months, look at all the available information, and then if she still wants to take the shot, you'll never mention it again.

    Thank you Bill 💖..yes I was thinking of asking her to wait . She's coming home next Sat ,taking a gap year. Maybe a face to face chat is better. I want to send her the video interview with Mike yeardon ,he's done a few I think. Can't seem to find any on threads xx
    The 'highwire' with Del BigTree is a solid production, and he has a channel on Bitchute which you can subscribe to and browse many topics concerning SARS-Cov2 and the Vaccine: this one is a couple of weeks old from Mike Yeadon, Mike is interviewed regularly on this Highwire show:
    Source: https://www.bitchute.com/video/8KLmLNzkVD2k/
    Many thanks Mike x

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    I'll add this one from Dr Andrew Kaufman explaining how it's all a fraud,

    Heartfelt Hugs Janette x
    Actually — if I may! — I disagree. Here's why.

    Andrew Kaufman may or may not be right in his views, but it's VERY VERY likely to be way too much for any pro-vaxxer to accept or even consider. That's why I recommended Byram Bridle, who's a vaccinologist and stands by the efficacy of all vaccines — except for this one. That means it's far far easier for anyone who's pro-vaxx not to dismiss him out of hand.

    (Dr Geert Vanden Bossche is another who is similar, but he's very wordy and his interviews are quite long.)

    You gotta go at this little by little. You can't go sledgehammering people with depopulation agendas, bioweapons, evil cabalists, and "there-are-no-viruses-anyway". No-one will listen! It's just a matter of pragmatism.

    You introduce them to an intelligent regular doctor, who's clearly a likeable, reasonable person, saying he's changed his views and is very alarmed. (Dr Charles Hoffe, a family doctor in Lytton BC, is another, highly recommended.)

    Then let them think about that, and if they want to hear more, then you go to the next small step. Mike Adams, David Icke, Alex Jones or Clif High would be kinda at the very very end of the long list.
    There is a huge amount of wisdom in your post, Bill. If the immediate goal is to stop or at least delay injection it is way too much to go into things that took many of us years to digest, (in fact I am still working on some of them). There are quite a few courageous mainstream scientists speaking out now and they should more than suffice initially to at least question the validity of the lies they are being fed.Just being labeled the dreaded "antivaxxer" is enough for many to totally dismiss accurate facts. Besides, once the process of awakening is begun the progression of understanding seems to happen organically.

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    Pilots are pressured and threatened... Why are people being forced at all?


    Source: https://www.bitchute.com/video/402BFivjO4bV

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    I despair..my other twin daughter who lives with us along with her newly moved in boyfriend have booked their jabs for this Fri. I have shown her so much evidence this last year of the dangers and I really thought she'd be the one that would at least weigh it all up and decide mmm maybe I shouldn't go for it after all. Guess I don't know them as well as I thought..how can that be? Feel like a shi t mum,what a mess.

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    I despair..my other twin daughter who lives with us along with her newly moved in boyfriend have booked their jabs for this Fri. I have shown her so much evidence this last year of the dangers and I really thought she'd be the one that would at least weigh it all up and decide mmm maybe I shouldn't go for it after all. Guess I don't know them as well as I thought..how can that be? Feel like a shi t mum,what a mess.
    No no no Janette, not your fault at all... you did what you could but as the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. The peer pressure out there is unbelievably crushing and she's free to make her own choices, but I really feel for you and I bet you're the best mum ever.

    Maybe stress that once it's done it can't be undone?

    Big hugs. x

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    I sympathise entirely, but they are supposedly ‘grown up ‘ now, so you’ve done your best, cried into your pillow, you’ve not failed at all, just that peer pressure, damned media blackmail are at fault. A curse on those responsible for this evil purveyed on us all now. Keep strong xx
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    I despair..my other twin daughter who lives with us along with her newly moved in boyfriend have booked their jabs for this Fri. I have shown her so much evidence this last year of the dangers and I really thought she'd be the one that would at least weigh it all up and decide mmm maybe I shouldn't go for it after all. Guess I don't know them as well as I thought..how can that be? Feel like a shi t mum,what a mess.
    No no no Janette, not your fault at all... you did what you could but as the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. The peer pressure out there is unbelievably crushing and she's free to make her own choices, but I really feel for you and I bet you're the best mum ever.

    Maybe stress that once it's done it can't be undone?

    Big hugs. x
    Yes that's exactly it. Once that needle goes in you can't go back. What's upsetting more than anything though is what Trisha (think it was trisha,sorry if not ) about losing your connection to God ..but wouldn't the prime creator make us souls in a way that nothing or no one can sever that bond ..I think I know in my heart that's true 💜xx

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    I sympathise entirely, but they are supposedly ‘grown up ‘ now, so you’ve done your best, cried into your pillow, you’ve not failed at all, just that peer pressure, damned media blackmail are at fault. A curse on those responsible for this evil purveyed on us all now. Keep strong xx
    Thank you Avid 💜x

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    Retired vet, SSG. Douglas M. Ducote suffers with a traumatic brain injury. His medication is running out and it's time to renew the prescription. His appointment was scheduled for Monday until he received a call from the doctor’s office where he's been treated for the last 6 years.
    ”They called me today and asked if i had received the covid vaccination. I said “no” and i'm not going to. They said well we're sorry to tell you but we're no longer going to see any patients unless they have the covid vaccine.”
    • SSG. Douglas M. Ducote Sr.
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    Default Re: Avoiding the Experimental Vaccine

    There is an all out assault to get everyone jabbed. There are commercials on the TV, on the radio, just saw another one on the gas pump tv screen while I was pumping gas. Its like a slow drip on your head until you say uncle. I cannot believe the video above with the retired vet. WTF.

    https://halturnerradioshow.com/index...h-rfid-scanner
    WEIRD Video: Nurse Shows Friend How Vax Spot Can Be Scanned with RFID Scanner

    https://halturnerradioshow.com/index...bill-58-182-69
    Guy Got the "Jab" - Then Adverse Reaction, Hospital, Bill $58,182.69

    What's even more concerning is all the politicians are saying everything is back to normal, no more masks, its summer, And their treating this like an insatiable appetite to jab and jab more like they are insane , WHEN THE SCIENCE supports nothing at this point for an experimental test of something in a tube that they want to inject you with. If it doesn't seem right , you are correct, it isn't right, none of this makes any sense. I always say "Never Assume" , every time you do it ends up in trouble.

    There are many however that are awake , this was today in england!
    Hundreds of Thousands Take to the Streets in London to Protest And Fight for Their Children- over 500 thousand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    https://vaccineimpact.com/2021/hundr...heir-children/
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    Steve Kirsch was a man who was jabbed and all of his daughters were jabbed and it galvanized him to try to help humanity.


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    Steve Kirsch was a man who was jabbed and all of his daughters were jabbed and it galvanized him to try to help humanity. Tweet.
    Are the Covid-19 vaccines “safe and effective”?
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    Are there any risks associated with the COVID-19 vaccines currently authorized on an emergency use basis by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA)?  Presently three genetic-based vaccines have been authorized via the emergency order including two mRNA-based vaccines (Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech) as well as the adenovirus-based Johnson and Johnson product.  Developed at historical speed under Operation Warp Speed, the mRNA-based technology foretells enormous implications for healthcare including the prospect of vaccines for cancer. 

    An amazing research prowess has unfolded in response to the COVID-19 pandemic heralding profound breakthroughs that’ll benefit society for years to come.  Governmental authorities have declared the vaccines both safe and effective and as TrialSIte recently reported based on a change of law that waives the need for informed consent with investigational products.  Both the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and FDA have declared that the risk-benefit analyses strongly indicate the risks of not getting a vaccination outweigh any risk of vaccination.

    They argue that the risks associated with COVID-19 are materially greater.  Moreover, health authorities are on record that there is absolutely no correlation associated with the COVID-19 vaccines to any deaths as indicated by the CDC declaration. But have they sufficiently probed and pursued granular investigation into their own data? Have they undertaken the comprehensive  analyses associated with what in the CDC VAERS is now close to 6,000 deaths.  Are all of these unrelated to the vaccines?

    Steve Kirsch, the founder and executive director of the COVID-19 Early Treatment Fund (CETF),  a regular contributor to the TrialSite recently conducted a more systematic and thorough analysis of the VAERS and CDC adverse event and death numbers reported in conjunction with the COVID-19 vaccines. 

    The results are disturbing to say the least.  TrialSite offers no opinion here other than the presentation of the highly successful MIT-trained engineer who has invested millions of his own funds into early stage treatment options targeting COVID-19. What follows is a summary of his deep dive into VAERS presented in this video.
    The Presentation

    The Kirsch presentation starts with an introduction to the CDC Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System known as VAERS with a review of some key indicators including reported deaths. Open to the public, he reveals by June 4th the following adverse events were associated with the COVID-19 vaccines:
    A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines.
    @ 12:15 into the presentation Mr. Kirsch reveals a data distribution revealing a dramatic spike in deaths associated with the COVID-19. Moreover in this data analysis it’s revealed that the majority of deaths occur closer to the actual time of the vaccination event indicating a higher probability of a causal relationship.

    @ 12:49 he presents the data findings indicating that overwhelming the incidents of heart attacks associated with the VAERS COVID-19 vaccine spike within a day to three days after the vaccination event.  He also emphasizes that the indication of Myocarditis/Pericarditis actually increases with vaccination as age decreases which is counter intuitive in that young people should have less probability of experiencing such heart related troubles. Is the vaccine causally connected to this data?

    @ 15:51 in the presentation Kirsch depicts again the growing numbers of deaths corresponding to the release of the vaccines under emergency use authorization by mid-December 2020. At

    @ 18:55 he reveals a corresponding increase in excess deaths reported by the CDC. 

    Kirsch goes on @ 26:13 to discuss the imperative to consider a time out in the process to at least investigate these safety data signals. 

    @ 28:09 Kirsch raises the imperative for informed consent under the Declaration of Helsinki. Although as TrialSite reported the law was changed in 2016 thus waiving the need for informed consent with investigational products deemed safe.

    @ 32:22 Mr. Kirsch discusses early treatment options for COVID-19.  He shares that considerable research has gone on pointing to a number of potential treatments for early onset COVID-19 that can serve to help combat COVID-19. 

    A risk-benefit comparison @ 41:50 showcases at least one argument that early stage treatments currently under study should be accelerated.

    The presenter offers a plethora of other information that merits review for those interested in a debate on this topic.

    Kirsch commented on the findings “The narrative is that the COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective but the truth is that the data points to an otherwise alternative conclusion.”  Kirsch declared that “if anyone was paying attention they would have picked up these safety signals by the end of January.”

    article continues

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    All the forces of corporatism unite to help you get your delicious vaccination along with your along with your GMO-filled factory farmed "Happy Meal."


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    All the forces of corporatism unite to help you get your delicious vaccination along with your along with your GMO-filled factory farmed "Happy Meal."

    These people are brain dead. I almost want to say they deserve what's coming to them. I'm that upset with this whole situation. But they do not deserve it. They've been tricked into believing they are getting treatment or preventing treatment. How about those enforcing this genocide? Just because they've been tricked into this madness as well, that absolves them from accountability?

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    This is another significant callout for taking action in support of those employees of industries, unions included, that are mandating taking a shot in order to continue in their careers:

    From The New Mexico Freedoms Alliance, June 28, 2021:

    "Dear supporters of freedom in New Mexico,

    This is a CALL FOR ACTION related to segregation and discrimination based on vaccination status at Sandia National Labs.
    ---------------------------------

    THE SITUATION: Sandia National Labs has implemented policies that punish employees who have not received the COVID-19 injections. Vaccinated employees receive incentives such as money towards healthcare and lanyards that say, “Because I’m essential, I’m Vaccinated.” Meanwhile, unvaccinated employees:

    *must wear masks and stay socially distanced, even at offsite team celebrations
    *must wear masks in government vehicles, even if alone in the vehicle
    *must undergo ongoing COVID-19 testing
    *must undergo daily health screening
    *must undergo COVID-19 testing 1-3 days before out-of-state travel
    *must quarantine for 7-10 days upon return from out-of-state travel, with the quarantine time coming out of vacation time, flextime, or unpaid leave
    are not allowed to participate in team award photos

    In addition to being discriminatory, Sandia’s policies are leading to a hostile work environment. People are getting vaccinated against their own will because of the discriminatory and coercive policies. Unvaccinated people are being snitched on for breaking any of the above protocols. Unvaccinated employees are being shamed and bullied by vaccinated employees.

    Legal action is being pursued through New Mexico Stands Up. However, legal action is notoriously slow and many employees’ livelihoods and health are at-stake in the meantime.

    It is best to make your own email unique rather than just pasting this whole list into your message.

    All people have a right to make their own medical choices, free from coercion, threats, or discrimination.

    It is discriminatory to require only unvaccinated employees to wear masks and socially distance.

    Sandia touts itself as being supportive of inclusion and diversity, yet these policies are discriminating against people who may choose not to undergo COVID-19 injections.

    If COVID-19 vaccinations are effective, then the vaccinated have no reason to be concerned about whether or not others are vaccinated.

    The CDC has acknowledged that none of the COVID-19 injections have been properly tested on pregnant or nursing women, people with autoimmune disease, or immunocompromised people.

    The CDC has specifically warned that people with allergies should not receive the COVID-19 injections.

    The clinical trials for COVID-19 vaccines are ongoing, and there are no long-term safety studies on COVID-19 vaccines. It is unknown whether there are negative effects that may develop 6 months from now, a year from now, or longer.

    All three of the COVID-19 injections utilize technology that has not previously been approved for use in vaccines.

    Many people already have robust natural immunity from previous COVID-19 infection and therefore have no reason to take the vaccination.
    There are other effective and safe strategies for prevention and treatment of COVID-19."

    Source:
    http://xn5m6.mjt.lu/nl2/xn5m6/0q0y.h...OWV6tsByL-0vmo

    (Within the article there are listings of those who may be contacted at S.L. to voice your concerns.)

    My comments:

    As I have friends who've retired from this and other labs, I doubt they are surprised by any of this. Whatever anyone has assumed to be any amount of personal protection or freedoms under any law in the u.s. or internationally, as an employee of a corporate controlled laboratory that exerts its control over all governmental regulatory agencies, state and federal, the illusions you've long held should now be gone.

    This has nothing to do with your nda's, nor should they ever be violated without legal cause, a matter only you and your conscience can address. This is about you and your humanity, your right to choice and your health, your duty to the oaths you may have taken and the future of the generations that follow YOU.
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    Quote Posted by Hym (here)

    THE SITUATION: Sandia National Labs has implemented policies that punish employees who have not received the COVID-19 injections. Vaccinated employees receive incentives such as money towards healthcare and lanyards that say, “Because I’m essential, I’m Vaccinated.” Meanwhile, unvaccinated employees:

    *must wear masks and stay socially distanced, even at offsite team celebrations
    *must wear masks in government vehicles, even if alone in the vehicle
    *must undergo ongoing COVID-19 testing
    *must undergo daily health screening
    *must undergo COVID-19 testing 1-3 days before out-of-state travel
    *must quarantine for 7-10 days upon return from out-of-state travel, with the quarantine time coming out of vacation time, flextime, or unpaid leave
    are not allowed to participate in team award photos

    .
    The question here is:
    Why are they afraid of unvaccinated people if they are? Shouldn't they be immune to it? Whats the point of vaccination if they're still afraid of the illness?

    Idk if I'm missing something or I'm stupid, but I just can't wrap myself around that one

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    Dr. Peter McCullough warns: Covid vaccinations of pregnant women an "atrocity" and "shameful"

    https://www.brighteon.com/fc2aa0fe-e...3-47e6b6ab9d97

    This interview with Mike Adams and Dr. McCuliough is a gem even if you have seen others by this most courageous man. I highly recommend.

    Source: https://www.brighteon.com/embed/fc2aa0fe-eae0-4c32-bc23-47e6b6ab9d97
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    A question by I am B:

    "The question here is:
    Why are they afraid of unvaccinated people if they are? Shouldn't they be immune to it? Whats the point of vaccination if they're still afraid of the illness?

    Idk if I'm missing something or I'm stupid, but I just can't wrap myself around that one."

    The fact is that the shot is not a vaccine.

    It has been stated by the shot creators and the sales force in government getting well paid to sell it that the shot will only reduce the severity of the symptoms and, by the obvious negative space created by inference, cannot prevent the spread or acquisition of any virus. It's an in-your-face rebuke of the science it purports to represent.

    We then know that by clinical definition it is not a vaccine, as a vaccine supposedly prevents the spread and the acquisition of a viral pathogen. It's always been about controlling a population and not ever about the true prevention of any illness.

    It is also a fact that, as you have stated, a real vaccine would prevent the vaccinated from the harm that any real, novel (not man made), naturally occurring virus would present. The opposite is the truth in many ways.

    The unvaccinated, or more directly stated, those whose immune systems and natural biological strengths have not been injured by vaccines, spread and shed only a minute amount of harmful matter because their own systems have the strengths to neutralize any attacks before the then altered pathogens are excreted from their bodies and possibly infecting anyone else. It is why we are even here, alive as a species on this planet.

    The diabolical, greed based attack that has earnestly been directed upon humanity for the last 170 years, in the form of patented vaccinations and pharmaceuticals, along with the immoral attack on herbology, fundamental nutrition, electromagnetic awareness, and the needs of a healthy, socially engaged heart, where there is never any social distance-implied or direct.....

    Is all in direct opposition to the very strengths that our biology has evolved into becoming, forever, genetic alterations notwithstanding...

    These newer, draconian mandates (an apt term when you realize where it comes from) negate the basic strengths of human biological survival. It cannot be more clear than that.
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    A man’s injection site glows under blacklight, also there’s a spot on the arm and a portion of the vein lights up on his hand. I wasn’t able to find the original tiktok. I created the snapshots from Max Igan’s vid @ 19 minutes.

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    Surprise ending. (23 seconds)


    https://twitter.com/21WIRE/status/1411951384912613380

    Off topic but worth the watch. (34 seconds)


    https://twitter.com/21WIRE/status/1412291457390727168

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