WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

[Natasha]

Big Picture about Russia and Ukraine
I want to share personal views because MSM is absolute BS, we all know that and especially in this conflict if you follow any 'official' news you are misled and know nothing what is happening. I am following RT in English, if you clean a bit Russian biases in their news it is not comparable (meaning much better) than any western media controlled by 6 families including my local MSM that are controlled by the same powers in Serbia. The other source that I follow and I cannot recommend because it is in Serbian language. Namely, local journalist went 10 days ago to report from DNR and LNR and he is posting different interviews and just ordinary life scenes from these two war torn regions in Ukraine. That is the most helpful for me to understand what is really going on.
Remote viewers/channelers/intuitives that I follow for some time have interesting comments about Russia/Ukraine situation and provide bigger and more complex idea what is really happening:
Dick Allgire and Edward Riordan shared their remote viewing session about 2/22/2022 and shared quite interesting points and intel about Russia/USA/WWII etc. Here is the link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sa-tqmOSue4
Penny Kelly shared that her intuition says Ukraine is just start up, Russia will go after NATO and it's headquarters in Israel :-) she knows it is not there and her vision led her to connect NATO and Israel as next targets. Here is link for that interview:
https://rumble.com/vvn183-livestream...eyondmyst.html
Janine who is tarot reader in Canada spoke with Jean Claude about war in Ukraine and they draw very interesting links, with Kazakhstan conflicts, much bigger **** that Russia is cleaning in Ukraine and not talking about it, etc.
Here is that link:
https://rumble.com/vvt54r-livestream...eyondmyst.html

Hope you will find these inputs interesting.
Natasha

[jaybee]

Putin's speech .....

https://www.infowars.com/posts/putin...ato-expansion/

“Any further expansion of the North Atlantic alliance’s infrastructure or the ongoing efforts to gain a military foothold of the Ukrainian territory are unacceptable for us,” he says, adding “those who aspire to global dominance have publicly designated Russia as their enemy.”

Russian president even explains how US government’s illegal military invasions of Iraq, Libya, and Syria over the years culminated into instability in Europe and are directly related to current breakdown of international law and diplomacy.

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Russian President Vladimir Putin delivered a lengthy speech on Thursday explaining his justification for invading Ukraine, claiming Russia was left with “no other option” to ensure its national security after decades of deception by the “US instrument” known as NATO.

Regardless of one’s sentiments about Putin or his actions, this is history being made in real time.

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Full transcript:

Respected citizens of Russia! Dear friends!

Today, I consider it necessary today to speak again about the tragic events in Donbas and the key aspects of ensuring the security of Russia.

I will begin with what I said in my address on February 21, 2022. I spoke about our biggest concerns and worries, and about the fundamental threats which irresponsible Western politicians created for Russia consistently, rudely and unceremoniously from year to year. I am referring to the eastward expansion of NATO, which is moving its military infrastructure ever closer to the Russian border.

It is a fact that over the past 30 years we have been patiently trying to come to an agreement with the leading NATO countries regarding the principles of equal and indivisible security in Europe. In response to our proposals, we invariably faced either cynical deception and lies or attempts at pressure and blackmail, while the North Atlantic alliance continued to expand despite our protests and concerns. Its military machine is moving and, as I said, is approaching our very border.

Why is this happening? Where did this insolent manner of talking down from the height of their exceptionalism, infallibility and all-permissiveness come from? What is the explanation for this contemptuous and disdainful attitude to our interests and absolutely legitimate demands?

The answer is simple. Everything is clear and obvious. In the late 1980s, the Soviet Union grew weaker and subsequently broke apart. That experience should serve as a good lesson for us, because it has shown us that the paralysis of power and will is the first step towards complete degradation and oblivion. We lost confidence for only one moment, but it was enough to disrupt the balance of forces in the world.

As a result, the old treaties and agreements are no longer effective. Entreaties and requests do not help. Anything that does not suit the dominant state, the powers that be, is denounced as archaic, obsolete and useless. At the same time, everything it regards as useful is presented as the ultimate truth and forced on others regardless of the cost, abusively and by any means available. Those who refuse to comply are subjected to strong-arm tactics.

What I am saying now does not concerns only Russia, and Russia is not the only country that is worried about this. This has to do with the entire system of international relations, and sometimes even US allies. The collapse of the Soviet Union led to a redivision of the world, and the norms of international law that developed by that time – and the most important of them, the fundamental norms that were adopted following WWII and largely formalised its outcome – came in the way of those who declared themselves the winners of the Cold War.

Of course, practice, international relations and the rules regulating them had to take into account the changes that took place in the world and in the balance of forces. However, this should have been done professionally, smoothly, patiently, and with due regard and respect for the interests of all states and one’s own responsibility. Instead, we saw a state of euphoria created by the feeling of absolute superiority, a kind of modern absolutism, coupled with the low cultural standards and arrogance of those who formulated and pushed through decisions that suited only themselves. The situation took a different turn.

There are many examples of this. First a bloody military operation was waged against Belgrade, without the UN Security Council’s sanction but with combat aircraft and missiles used in the heart of Europe. The bombing of peaceful cities and vital infrastructure went on for several weeks. I have to recall these facts, because some Western colleagues prefer to forget them, and when we mentioned the event, they prefer to avoid speaking about international law, instead emphasising the circumstances which they interpret as they think necessary.

Then came the turn of Iraq, Libya and Syria. The illegal use of military power against Libya and the distortion of all the UN Security Council decisions on Libya ruined the state, created a huge seat of international terrorism, and pushed the country towards a humanitarian catastrophe, into the vortex of a civil war, which has continued there for years. The tragedy, which was created for hundreds of thousands and even millions of people not only in Libya but in the whole region, has led to a large-scale exodus from the Middle East and North Africa to Europe.

A similar fate was also prepared for Syria. The combat operations conducted by the Western coalition in that country without the Syrian government’s approval or UN Security Council’s sanction can only be defined as aggression and intervention.

But the example that stands apart from the above events is, of course, the invasion of Iraq without any legal grounds. They used the pretext of allegedly reliable information available in the United States about the presence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. To prove that allegation, the US Secretary of State held up a vial with white power, publicly, for the whole world to see, assuring the international community that it was a chemical warfare agent created in Iraq. It later turned out that all of that was a fake and a sham, and that Iraq did not have any chemical weapons. Incredible and shocking but true. We witnessed lies made at the highest state level and voiced from the high UN rostrum. As a result we see a tremendous loss in human life, damage, destruction, and a colossal upsurge of terrorism.

Overall, it appears that nearly everywhere, in many regions of the world where the United States brought its law and order, this created bloody, non-healing wounds and the curse of international terrorism and extremism. I have only mentioned the most glaring but far from only examples of disregard for international law.

This array includes promises not to expand NATO eastwards even by an inch. To reiterate: they have deceived us, or, to put it simply, they have played us. Sure, one often hears that politics is a dirty business. It could be, but it shouldn’t be as dirty as it is now, not to such an extent. This type of con-artist behaviour is contrary not only to the principles of international relations but also and above all to the generally accepted norms of morality and ethics. Where is justice and truth here? Just lies and hypocrisy all around.

Incidentally, US politicians, political scientists and journalists write and say that a veritable “empire of lies” has been created inside the United States in recent years. It is hard to disagree with this – it is really so. But one should not be modest about it: the United States is still a great country and a system-forming power. All its satellites not only humbly and obediently say yes to and parrot it at the slightest pretext but also imitate its behaviour and enthusiastically accept the rules it is offering them. Therefore, one can say with good reason and confidence that the whole so-called Western bloc formed by the United States in its own image and likeness is, in its entirety, the very same “empire of lies.”

As for our country, after the disintegration of the USSR, given the entire unprecedented openness of the new, modern Russia, its readiness to work honestly with the United States and other Western partners, and its practically unilateral disarmament, they immediately tried to put the final squeeze on us, finish us off, and utterly destroy us. This is how it was in the 1990s and the early 2000s, when the so-called collective West was actively supporting separatism and gangs of mercenaries in southern Russia. What victims, what losses we had to sustain and what trials we had to go through at that time before we broke the back of international terrorism in the Caucasus! We remember this and will never forget.

Properly speaking, the attempts to use us in their own interests never ceased until quite recently: they sought to destroy our traditional values and force on us their false values that would erode us, our people from within, the attitudes they have been aggressively imposing on their countries, attitudes that are directly leading to degradation and degeneration, because they are contrary to human nature. This is not going to happen. No one has ever succeeded in doing this, nor will they succeed now.

Despite all that, in December 2021, we made yet another attempt to reach agreement with the United States and its allies on the principles of European security and NATO’s non-expansion. Our efforts were in vain. The United States has not changed its position. It does not believe it necessary to agree with Russia on a matter that is critical for us. The United States is pursuing its own objectives, while neglecting our interests.

Of course, this situation begs a question: what next, what are we to expect? If history is any guide, we know that in 1940 and early 1941 the Soviet Union went to great lengths to prevent war or at least delay its outbreak. To this end, the USSR sought not to provoke the potential aggressor until the very end by refraining or postponing the most urgent and obvious preparations it had to make to defend itself from an imminent attack. When it finally acted, it was too late.

As a result, the country was not prepared to counter the invasion by Nazi Germany, which attacked our Motherland on June 22, 1941, without declaring war. The country stopped the enemy and went on to defeat it, but this came at a tremendous cost. The attempt to appease the aggressor ahead of the Great Patriotic War proved to be a mistake which came at a high cost for our people. In the first months after the hostilities broke out, we lost vast territories of strategic importance, as well as millions of lives. We will not make this mistake the second time. We have no right to do so.

Those who aspire to global dominance have publicly designated Russia as their enemy. They did so with impunity. Make no mistake, they had no reason to act this way. It is true that they have considerable financial, scientific, technological, and military capabilities. We are aware of this and have an objective view of the economic threats we have been hearing, just as our ability to counter this brash and never-ending blackmail. Let me reiterate that we have no illusions in this regard and are extremely realistic in our assessments.

As for military affairs, even after the dissolution of the USSR and losing a considerable part of its capabilities, today’s Russia remains one of the most powerful nuclear states. Moreover, it has a certain advantage in several cutting-edge weapons. In this context, there should be no doubt for anyone that any potential aggressor will face defeat and ominous consequences should it directly attack our country.

At the same time, technology, including in the defence sector, is changing rapidly. One day there is one leader, and tomorrow another, but a military presence in territories bordering on Russia, if we permit it to go ahead, will stay for decades to come or maybe forever, creating an ever mounting and totally unacceptable threat for Russia.

Even now, with NATO’s eastward expansion the situation for Russia has been becoming worse and more dangerous by the year. Moreover, these past days NATO leadership has been blunt in its statements that they need to accelerate and step up efforts to bring the alliance’s infrastructure closer to Russia’s borders. In other words, they have been toughening their position. We cannot stay idle and passively observe these developments. This would be an absolutely irresponsible thing to do for us.

Any further expansion of the North Atlantic alliance’s infrastructure or the ongoing efforts to gain a military foothold of the Ukrainian territory are unacceptable for us. Of course, the question is not about NATO itself. It merely serves as a tool of US foreign policy. The problem is that in territories adjacent to Russia, which I have to note is our historical land, a hostile “anti-Russia” is taking shape. Fully controlled from the outside, it is doing everything to attract NATO armed forces and obtain cutting-edge weapons.

For the United States and its allies, it is a policy of containing Russia, with obvious geopolitical dividends. For our country, it is a matter of life and death, a matter of our historical future as a nation. This is not an exaggeration; this is a fact. It is not only a very real threat to our interests but to the very existence of our state and to its sovereignty. It is the red line which we have spoken about on numerous occasions. They have crossed it.

This brings me to the situation in Donbas. We can see that the forces that staged the coup in Ukraine in 2014 have seized power, are keeping it with the help of ornamental election procedures and have abandoned the path of a peaceful conflict settlement. For eight years, for eight endless years we have been doing everything possible to settle the situation by peaceful political means. Everything was in vain.

As I said in my previous address, you cannot look without compassion at what is happening there. It became impossible to tolerate it. We had to stop that atrocity, that genocide of the millions of people who live there and who pinned their hopes on Russia, on all of us. It is their aspirations, the feelings and pain of these people that were the main motivating force behind our decision to recognize the independence of the Donbas people’s republics.

I would like to additionally emphasize the following. Focused on their own goals, the leading NATO countries are supporting the far-right nationalists and neo-Nazis in Ukraine, those who will never forgive the people of Crimea and Sevastopol for freely making a choice to reunite with Russia.

They will undoubtedly try to bring war to Crimea just as they have done in Donbas, to kill innocent people just as members of the punitive units of Ukrainian nationalists and Hitler’s accomplices did during the Great Patriotic War. They have also openly laid claim to several other Russian regions.

If we look at the sequence of events and the incoming reports, the showdown between Russia and these forces cannot be avoided. It is only a matter of time. They are getting ready and waiting for the right moment. Moreover, they went as far as aspire to acquire nuclear weapons. We will not let this happen.

I have already said that Russia accepted the new geopolitical reality after the dissolution of the USSR. We have been treating all new post-Soviet states with respect and will continue to act this way. We respect and will respect their sovereignty, as proven by the assistance we provided to Kazakhstan when it faced tragic events and a challenge in terms of its statehood and integrity. However, Russia cannot feel safe, develop, and exist while facing a permanent threat from the territory of today’s Ukraine.

Let me remind you that in 2000–2005 we used our military to push back against terrorists in the Caucasus and stood up for the integrity of our state. We preserved Russia. In 2014, we supported the people of Crimea and Sevastopol. In 2015, we used our Armed Forces to create a reliable shield that prevented terrorists from Syria from penetrating Russia. This was a matter of defending ourselves. We had no other choice.

The same is happening today. They did not leave us any other option for defending Russia and our people, other than the one we are forced to use today. In these circumstances, we have to take bold and immediate action. The people’s republics of Donbas have asked Russia for help.

In this context, in accordance with Article 51 (Chapter VII) of the UN Charter, with permission of Russia’s Federation Council, and in execution of the treaties of friendship and mutual assistance with the Donetsk People’s Republic and the Lugansk People’s Republic, ratified by the Federal Assembly on February 22, I made a decision to carry out a special military operation.

The purpose of this operation is to protect people who, for eight years now, have been facing humiliation and genocide perpetrated by the Kiev regime. To this end, we will seek to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine, as well as bring to trial those who perpetrated numerous bloody crimes against civilians, including against citizens of the Russian Federation.

It is not our plan to occupy the Ukrainian territory. We do not intend to impose anything on anyone by force. At the same time, we have been hearing an increasing number of statements coming from the West that there is no need any more to abide by the documents setting forth the outcomes of World War II, as signed by the totalitarian Soviet regime. How can we respond to that?

The outcomes of World War II and the sacrifices our people had to make to defeat Nazism are sacred. This does not contradict the high values of human rights and freedoms in the reality that emerged over the post-war decades. This does not mean that nations cannot enjoy the right to self-determination, which is enshrined in Article 1 of the UN Charter.

Let me remind you that the people living in territories which are part of today’s Ukraine were not asked how they want to build their lives when the USSR was created or after World War II. Freedom guides our policy, the freedom to choose independently our future and the future of our children. We believe that all the peoples living in today’s Ukraine, anyone who want to do this, must be able to enjoy this right to make a free choice.

In this context I would like to address the citizens of Ukraine. In 2014, Russia was obliged to protect the people of Crimea and Sevastopol from those who you yourself call “nats.” The people of Crimea and Sevastopol made their choice in favour of being with their historical homeland, Russia, and we supported their choice. As I said, we could not act otherwise.

The current events have nothing to do with a desire to infringe on the interests of Ukraine and the Ukrainian people. They are connected with the defending Russia from those who have taken Ukraine hostage and are trying to use it against our country and our people.

I reiterate: we are acting to defend ourselves from the threats created for us and from a worse peril than what is happening now. I am asking you, however hard this may be, to understand this and to work together with us so as to turn this tragic page as soon as possible and to move forward together, without allowing anyone to interfere in our affairs and our relations but developing them independently, so as to create favourable conditions for overcoming all these problems and to strengthen us from within as a single whole, despite the existence of state borders. I believe in this, in our common future.

I would also like to address the military personnel of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

Comrade officers,

Your fathers, grandfathers and great-grandfathers did not fight the Nazi occupiers and did not defend our common Motherland to allow today’s neo-Nazis to seize power in Ukraine. You swore the oath of allegiance to the Ukrainian people and not to the junta, the people’s adversary which is plundering Ukraine and humiliating the Ukrainian people.

I urge you to refuse to carry out their criminal orders. I urge you to immediately lay down arms and go home. I will explain what this means: the military personnel of the Ukrainian army who do this will be able to freely leave the zone of hostilities and return to their families.

I want to emphasize again that all responsibility for the possible bloodshed will lie fully and wholly with the ruling Ukrainian regime.

I would now like to say something very important for those who may be tempted to interfere in these developments from the outside. No matter who tries to stand in our way or all the more so create threats for our country and our people, they must know that Russia will respond immediately, and the consequences will be such as you have never seen in your entire history. No matter how the events unfold, we are ready. All the necessary decisions in this regard have been taken. I hope that my words will be heard.

Citizens of Russia,

The culture and values, experience and traditions of our ancestors invariably provided a powerful underpinning for the wellbeing and the very existence of entire states and nations, their success and viability. Of course, this directly depends on the ability to quickly adapt to constant change, maintain social cohesion, and readiness to consolidate and summon all the available forces in order to move forward.

We always need to be strong, but this strength can take on different forms. The “empire of lies,” which I mentioned in the beginning of my speech, proceeds in its policy primarily from rough, direct force. This is when our saying on being “all brawn and no brains” applies.

We all know that having justice and truth on our side is what makes us truly strong. If this is the case, it would be hard to disagree with the fact that it is our strength and our readiness to fight that are the bedrock of independence and sovereignty and provide the necessary foundation for building a reliable future for your home, your family, and your Motherland.

Dear compatriots,

I am certain that devoted soldiers and officers of Russia’s Armed Forces will perform their duty with professionalism and courage. I have no doubt that the government institutions at all levels and specialists will work effectively to guarantee the stability of our economy, financial system and social wellbeing, and the same applies to corporate executives and the entire business community. I hope that all parliamentary parties and civil society take a consolidated, patriotic position.

At the end of the day, the future of Russia is in the hands of its multi-ethnic people, as has always been the case in our history. This means that the decisions that I made will be executed, that we will achieve the goals we have set, and reliably guarantee the security of our Motherland.

I believe in your support and the invincible force rooted in the love for our Fatherland.

[kfm27917]

https://thesaker.is/day-3-of-the-rus...e-open-thread/

[jaybee]

Posted by XelNaga (here)
Hi Friends,

I'm not sure if this information was posted already, or even how relevant it is but, intelligence agencies of Serbia are saying that members of muslim terrorist organisations from Albania and Bosnia are fighting in this war as mercenaries for Ukraine.

I have no reason to doubt this information, as our intelligence agencies are really good at their job, and have no habit of releasing unverified infos.

That would make sense.... because this whole situation has been engineered by the Globalists who want a one world dictatorship style government - and part of that appears to be giving muslims an Islamic State, or at least it was - and that's why Globalist forces like the Obama Administration was covertly arming and training ISIS and why muslims were flocking to Syria to fight because they knew what was promised.... but Russia stepped in and put a stop to that - so I can see why they would now go and fight for the Globalist neo Nazis in Ukraine because if the Globalists win they could get their Islamic State - as an initial step before 'they' try and bring in a One World Religion but that would be a manipulation and social engineering for the future - (if they get their way)

[Michel Leclerc]

Posted by Johnnycomelately (here)
(...)
About me: I can believe that Ukraine is a cesspool. I also don’t trust Russian leadership, nor any world leadership actually. Your news of 13k dead in E Ukraine, with western talkers & media silent, does not surprise me. However, I hold anyone, including you, in suspicion. Nothing personal.

Dear Johnnycomelatetothecesspool,

Have you considered a slight variation of your penultimate sentence, which I would recommend:

“However, I hold anyone, including myself, in suspicion.”

?

My own ethical principle is: “I hold everyone, myself in the first place, in suspicion of callousness because of man’s limited capacity for empathy, and ignorance because of man’s limited knowledge of facts and intellectual capabilities.”

Just a portion of realism, or wisdom, acquired by living in a cesspool.

[jaybee]

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I just want to pull this out of Putin's speech that I posted from the InfoWars site in a previous post ... because the stakes now could not be higher... and Western Leaders + organizations (complete with all the WEF etc 'penetrations' - ) could get us all killed in a war that escalates out of control...

I would now like to say something very important for those who may be tempted to interfere in these developments from the outside. No matter who tries to stand in our way or all the more so create threats for our country and our people, they must know that Russia will respond immediately, and the consequences will be such as you have never seen in your entire history. No matter how the events unfold, we are ready. All the necessary decisions in this regard have been taken. I hope that my words will be heard.

[Gwin Ru]

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More war updates

The propaganda is in overdrive. I am trying to filter the BS. As usual I will correct any errors that are made. Credit cards that draw from Russian banks have been reported to have stopped working abroad, but they still work in Russia.

TWO DAYS AGO I REPORTED THAT UKRAINE BLEW A DAM IN A FALSE FLAG BLAMING RUSSIA.
 
I WAS WRONG. RUSSIA BLEW THE DAM BECAUSE IT WAS BUILT FOR THE EXPLICIT PURPOSE OF CUTTING WATER OFF TO CRIMEA, WHICH DESTROYED THEIR AGRICULTURE AND LIMITED WATER USAGE IN RESIDENCES TO 4 HOURS PER DAY. So blowing the dam was GOOD NEWS and Russia took full credit for it.

There is a rumor that a Russian army major has been captured in an ambush, but the rumor might be morale boosting crap for Ukraine.

Two different journalists in different cities - a French journalist in Donetsk and a rumored second I have not been able to track down yet have witnessed Ukrainians shelling their own people (what's new? That's a big reason why Putin went in) - - - NEW is that now they are blaming Russia because Russia is there to blame.

REPEAT: This story is obviously true and is probably happening "everywhere" because Ukraine has been shelling it's own people for most of 10 years now. That's so "not new" that trolls claiming the reporters are lying look stupid.

Ukrainian soldiers are blocking roads and preventing people from leaving some of the cities now. "Human shields??? or draft fodder?

[Johnnycomelately]

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Posted by Michel Leclerc (here)

Posted by Johnnycomelately (here)
(...)
About me: I can believe that Ukraine is a cesspool. I also don’t trust Russian leadership, nor any world leadership actually. Your news of 13k dead in E Ukraine, with western talkers & media silent, does not surprise me. However, I hold anyone, including you, in suspicion. Nothing personal.

Dear Johnnycomelatetothecesspool,

Have you considered a slight variation of your penultimate sentence, which I would recommend:

“However, I hold anyone, including myself, in suspicion.”

?

My own ethical principle is: “I hold everyone, myself in the first place, in suspicion of callousness because of man’s limited capacity for empathy, and ignorance because of man’s limited knowledge of facts and intellectual capabilities.”

Just a portion of realism, of wisdom, acquired by living in a cesspool.

I think your idea is sound, but no, no change necessary to what I said.

I do count callousness and ignorance among my known faults, all of which I strive to overcome. And suspicion of self is a useful, vital even, tool to discover (my) unknown faults. However, my critique in the comment you referenced is neither callous nor ignorant, IMHO.

I think that a good way to view our life here on sh**hole planet Earth is to imagine ourself as a tree, with branches going up and with roots going down. The branches are to yearn for Heaven, and the roots are to grasp and deal with life amongst our fellow imperfect humans.

Thank you for your communication. Cheers.

[Agape]

This situation was planned but delayed since 1989 and the dissolution of former Soviet Union.
I was a teenager back then so do not record the precise chronology of events but as far as meaning goes, I remember very well that Russia practically aimed to annex Ukraine and include it in its territory after the dissolution of the SU,
for many strategical reasons and amount of heavy artillery deposited in Ukraine.

Ukraine back then rejected all offers for subduction of their government and territory and fastly declared independent state and government ( which has been in mess ever since ).

This situation is also a failure of international politics to realise the unique situation of Ukraine among sovereign nations, while they repeatedly requested assistance .


I think that NATO has about one last chance to show support and offer hand in situation of human calamity before it turns to genocide.
Longer they let this “evolve” the situation will turn worse.


They are in chaos and grossly unprepared.

Couple observers and organisers on side of Ukrainians would certainly be of some help,

the time is now , not later.

As some statements above read as well , Russia may attack NATO states and territories inevitably in future if this conflict is allowed to overgrow to full fledged war.
In that case the cost of human force on all national levels will be huge and impact all of us.

It’s not the time to fight but to stop the fight now.




🙏

[Tyy1907]

Exactly. No matter how you slice it, present it, put lipstick on it, no one wins in a military conflict. Let's stop this nonsense before it gains more momentum.

[s7e6e]

The west MSM is using crisis actors to paint the picture they want. They used old pictures with a Kiev building damaged in a gas explosion and said it was a Russian attack. The tank that run over a car is Ukranian and hit the car by accident. What was cut from the footage were the tank occupants getting out and helping the car's occupant who btw survived.

So it's OK when we invade countless countries and wreak havoc but when Putin has the audacity to place his country so close to the tens of NATO military installations surrounding Russia, that's CRIMINAL.

What about the war for rare earth minerals? What about the tens of US run bio-weapon laboratories in Ukraine? What about the Biden and Pelosi's investments in the labs? What about Zelenskyy being a US puppet, selling his country to the globalists and instigating civilians to fight against Russian special forces with Molotov cocktails?

Can someone stop this spinning ball of lies? I want to get off now...

[BMJ]

Who better to hear from than the people on the ground in Ukraine, this gentlemen and his opinion on the invasion, ukraine and President Putin.

Link: https://t.me/Absolute1776/7275

[Kalamos]

Posted by BMJ (here)
Who better to hear from than the people on the ground in Ukraine, this gentlemen and his opinion on the invasion, ukraine and President Putin.

Link: https://t.me/Absolute1776/7275

I'm just over here thinking: WTF BS is THAT? IDK, I need to read this thread some maybe? Russia invading Ukraine is a good thing?

[Matthew]

It might be a quirk of the region but this last few days civilian training is being normalised in the press. Effect of war on the locals is being normalised in the press. Is that the payload?

[Mashika]

Well Ukraine people better brace themselves, this is unexpected event

The ex-Nashi leadership (the bad part of it) has raised a call for all ex-nashi to regroup and build their own army. They believe Putin's army is not doing enough against Ukraine

These are people who i consider equal or even worse than the Azov, they are rabid animals, red beret Spetsnaz level deranged minds who take orders from no one. They are the reason the Nashi was disbanded back in 2012. They are brutal killers, they don't care for anything or anyone but themselves, pure Nazi on their own, the likes the Azov regiment has no idea about

We may be talking about 50+ thousand elements who may respond to the call, possibly more. They equal ISIS or similar groups in the way they handle things in the battle field

This is very unexpected, i don't know how this came to be so suddenly. They had been silent for lots of years since 2015

But we will see what happens, maybe they will be shutdown (i truly hope so)

After the Z-operation, a serious conversation with those "ours" (Nashi) who are now "speaking out" against Mother Russia is inevitable.

Believes the former commander of the brigade "Ghost" Alexei Mozgovoy, 4th brigade NM LNR Yuri Shevchenko

"A serious conversation" means a direct confrontation

The call was made through several private channels, i don't know if this will be pointed out on any main stream media

Those people will not listen to Russia or Ukraine or anyone else. I hope if this happens both Ukraine and Russia understand the problem and join against them.

That Nashi section is not fair game, they don't play by any rules but they own

Will be seeing you guys +

[XelNaga]

One can like or dislike Putin, agree or disagree with him, stand by him or against him, but this fact stil remains:
He is the most competent and the most intelligent president of any country at this time. That man is no fool, contrary to most US and EU leaders in the last couple of decades.

[9ideon]

Ukraine forms Foreign Legion.

Selenskyy asks for People from all over the World to come and join their fight against Russia.

Ukraine establishing foreign legion for volunteers from abroad - President -

KYIV (Reuters) - Ukraine is establishing a foreign "international" legion for volunteers from abroad, President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said on Sunday.

"This will be the key evidence of your support for our country," Zelenskiy said in a statement.

Source:

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/ukraine...ident/47384914

I have to say that this is a brilliant move by a desperate Nation. I also am of the conviction that this has not been coughed up by Zelenskyy, this comes from somewhere else. It is also a huge mistake.

[mizo]

Interesting viewpoints - via set of Tweets.

[Gwin Ru]

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... from Jim Stone:

More war updates

The propaganda is in overdrive. I am trying to filter the BS. As usual I will correct any errors that are made.

American in Kiev hotel explains the B.S. in America's MSM from the perspective of being in Ukraine. 20 minutes, well worth it.

COMPLETELY UNCONFIRMED RUMOR: A large number of U.S. warships have entered the Taiwan strait.

Financial director for Gazprom - Russia's largest company - committed suicide???? DOUBT IT, but that won't make him less dead.

JIMMY SCHUTO TO WOLF BLITZER ON LIVE TV:

WOLF: "The Ukranian forces are doing a great job of slowing down the Russian army"

Jimmy: "Yes, it has caused the Russians to outrun their supply lines".

You can't make this stuff up!!! When fighting a war, make sure you don't kick butt so bad your supply lines can't keep up!!! Yes, the truth has a way of seeping through the cracks.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1vdiEABLFoo

[BMJ]

Ukraine, Kazakhstan 2.0?

President Putin went into Kazakhstan to clean out the deep state now there seems to be a link to the Khazar and Ukraine.

So is President Putin move into Ukraine stage 2 of this deep state clean out?



Israel’s Secret Plan for a “Second Israel” in Ukraine

Republished Article

Originally published on 2014-12-08

Author: Wayne Madsen

Source: Strategic Culture Foundation

“Leaked report: Israel acknowledges Jews in fact Khazars; Secret plan for reverse migration to Ukraine”, Jim Wald, The Times of Israel, March 16, 2014."

Quote:
" The role of Jewish figures and that of the State of Israel in the Ukrainian crisis has not gone unnoticed considering that this community represents less than 1 percent of the population.

However, a secret report in the hands of the Netanyahu administration confirms that Ashkenazi Jews do not originate from the Levant, but are the descendants of the Khazars.

This little-known population founded a Jewish empire in the tenth century on the banks of the Black Sea. Therefore, some Zionists see in Ukraine a possible second Israel. "

Link: http://global-politics.eu/israels-se...srael-ukraine/