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    Quote Posted by holcaul (here)
    Ukraine-Russia Is REALLY About The Demise Of US Hegemony, Petrodollar

    A fairly astute analysis from Kim Iversen (one of the very few mainstream journalists that make sense) of the future geopolitical implications of the current situation in Ukraine.



    Dear mods, I wasn't sure if this fits this thread per se.

    * This video is purely valuable for Kim Iversen's analysis. The other two guys are just a couple of rambling idiots.


    Thanks Holcaul.

    Although I am not a mod I'd like to let you know that I feel that your post and the video fits very well.
    Regarding your comment about Kim and the "other two guys" I would like to say that I fully agree with your assessment
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    Watch this story, pounced on by the mainstream news, to see (a) what the truth is and (b) what happens next.

    https://bloomberg.com/news/articles/...t-ukraine-says

    Europe's Largest Nuclear Power Plant on Fire as Russia Attacks

    And from https://www.rt.com/russia/551189-ukr...-nuclear-plant

    Ukraine accuses Russia of ‘shelling’ nuclear power plant

    But RT's report goes on to state that
    Moscow had informed the international nuclear authorities on Tuesday that Russian forces had secured the territory around the plant and it was operating normally.

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    I watched both vids this morning before work. I just got home to share the second video with many I know and now it has been deleted. Agreed, SPOT ON!

    Did anyone download or is it available anywhere?

    I absolutely agreed with everything said.

    Thanks in advance for any help with this.

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Satori (here)
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    This guy has a good point. Why all of a sudden are Americans crying for the poor Ukrainians now? Most Americans don't even know what's really going on there. Well, this guy knows that OUR medias are not telling us. (Does everyone on the planet know how horrible our medias are?)

    We should all be ashamed of how we haven't known and maybe even didn't care. Not our problem, right?

    This young man knows what's going on in the Ukraine. Hear him and please don't be offended.

    I agree, I just finished watching this, Chester had shared it here, too.

    This young man is fiercely clear and powerful in his convictions.

    He expounds on a whole range of the history involved easily covering 20 years and and other nations that are connected that few are mentioning.
    Please do watch and understand this video.

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    Quote Posted by Michel Leclerc (here)
    Quote Posted by s7e6e (here)
    Absolutely SPOT ON:

    This — is the rallying cry.

    Brain, heart and body – only when they get in synch, we can muster the courage it takes.

    May God walk with him.
    Do watch and understand this video too.
    Yes, excellent. The first video nails the history, and the second video nails the present.

    Regarding whether Ukraine is being destroyed by Russia, in this video 'Coach Red Pill' described how he traveled yesterday from Kiev to Kharkiv (500km/300m to the west) — by train.

    He was surprised the train was still running, and the lights were all off, but he arrived safely. (His previous video shows him walking down the deserted but totally intact main street in Kiev, a little nervous, but he was right there livestreaming on his iPhone in real time.)
    “To develop a complete mind: Study the art of science; study the science of art. Learn how to see. Realize that everything connects to everything else” – Leonardo Da Vinci

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    Quote Posted by justntime2learn (here)
    I watched both vids this morning before work. I just got home to share the second video with many I know and now it has been deleted. Agreed, SPOT ON!

    Did anyone download or is it available anywhere?

    I absolutely agreed with everything said.

    Thanks in advance for any help with this.


    https://sp.rmbl.ws/s8/2/1/h/y/p/1hypd.gaa.mp4


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    They seem to be lying, but something interesting happened, they are now seem to be taking down their own sites to prevent exposing the lies

    https://t.me/asbmil/420
    Quote Spokesman of the press service for the nuclear power plant declares that there is no thread of radiation spread.

    Once again, Ukrainian officials are making up their own statistics and data-- to cause panic and call for a no-fly zone.

    http://npp.zp.ua/en/safety/arms radiation levels live -- from the facility itself. No evidence of raised levels. Live data from 4 mins ago.
    npp.zp.ua is the official site for the power plant

    But now the official site is down!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zapori...ar_Power_Plant
    Quote 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine
    See also: Battle of Zaporizhzhia and Siege of Enerhodar
    Units 1 to 4 remained operational on 25 February 2022, while Units 5 and 6 were shut down.[10]

    On 28 February 2022, during the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Russia claimed to have captured the plant as well as Enerhodar. The mayor of Enerhodar, Dmitri Orlov, later denied this claim.[11]

    On 3 March 2022, Russian forces attempted to take control of the power plant. Orlov later announced on Telegram that some of the buildings located in the nuclear plant are burning due to artillery strikes carried out by Russian forces.[12][13][14][15] Ukrainian foreign minister Dmytro Kuleba warned that, if the plant were to experience an unplanned release of radioactivity, the fallout could be 10 times larger than the Chernobyl disaster.[16]
    That's a lie, the officials at the plant say the admin building got hit by something, and that's it, no other building is "burning due to artillery strikes".

    How come the officials of the plant are refuting the Ukrainian government narrative, but then few minutes after they posted their report, the entire website gets shutdown and no one can see any updates anymore?

    Here's a video, it's just some smoke and it clearly wasn't artillery strikes
    https://t.me/rian_ru/150916

    Why did the site go down so conveniently? It was just live some time ago, are they blocking it so no one can spot that everything is normal?

    It's funny how they will now have to start censuring themselves

    https://t.me/sputnikKZ/17248
    Quote There was a fire at the Zaporozhye NPP

    Ukrainian media published footage from surveillance cameras.

    According to the State Emergency Service of Ukraine, the fire occurred outside the NPP, one of the power units was turned off at the station.

    The press service of the station reported that the radiation background has not been changed
    -

    Also just passing by

    I see something very odd happened with a weirdo lol... do i need a restraining order?

    When i posted that last video i got it from instagram and i did not had time to check it, i had to catch a plane so i just posted it on my channel so i could embed it as a youtube video. I did not validate it, too bad. But that crazy conspiracy that it was just a clear attack on me is hilarious, way too much but more than that it looks like some kind of pathological stuff going on.

    Anyways, i landed some time ago and need to sleep for a bit so hope you are all doing great and i'm glad this thread keeps going, there's so many lies going on it's amazing to watch, but hopefully here people looking for answers will open their eyes and find some truths




    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Watch this story, pounced on by the mainstream news, to see (a) what the truth is and (b) what happens next.

    https://bloomberg.com/news/articles/...t-ukraine-says

    Europe's Largest Nuclear Power Plant on Fire as Russia Attacks

    And from https://www.rt.com/russia/551189-ukr...-nuclear-plant

    Ukraine accuses Russia of ‘shelling’ nuclear power plant

    But RT's report goes on to state that
    Moscow had informed the international nuclear authorities on Tuesday that Russian forces had secured the territory around the plant and it was operating normally.
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    Can't embed a telegram post so, you'll have to click to see three identical photos illustrating 3 different stories, geographically.

    Journalism at it's . . . .best ?

    https://t.me/drawandstrikechannel/31694
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    Quote Posted by Michel Leclerc (here)
    Quote Posted by s7e6e (here)
    Absolutely SPOT ON:

    This — is the rallying cry.

    Brain, heart and body – only when they get in synch, we can muster the courage it takes.

    May God walk with him.
    Does anybody have any ideas where I might find this video elsewhere on the Internet? It was an exceptional synopsis of the overall picture of what's going on and I wanted to share it with a friend, and of course it is now unavailable.

    **EDIT never mind... found it two posts up! Thanks Bill!

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    [QUOTE=norman;1486440]
    Quote Posted by norman (here)


    Don't spill your coffee, this is quite a shocker for post covid MSM.

    https://rumble.com/vw5twz-covid-dinn...b-26-2022.html

    I know this seems a million miles away from Ukraine, but . . . . .

    Source: https://www.rumble.com/video/vtjnvl
    I must have missed the announcement.
    Who made it and when?

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    Update on the Nuclear Power Plant

    https://t.me/orda_kz/19403
    Quote There was a fire at the Zaporozhye NPP in Ukraine due to shelling.

    "Europe must wake up now: the largest nuclear power plant in Europe is on fire," Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said in a video message.

    The Head of State stressed that Ukrainians have always kept the nuclear power plant safe, "so that there would be no provocations, so that no one could go to the station, so that no one could seize this station, replace it and then blackmail the whole world with a nuclear catastrophe."
    Watch the video on the telegram post, the building is being shot at from the ground, exposing the lie that it was artillery attach from Russia, since at the time this happened the Ukrainian military was in control of the plant. Look at how close it is being shot at, it' right there next to the building

    See that tracer line inside the red oval i draw?


    Now look at this image, that's where the attack is coming from on the left and then the explosions on the building. This is sabotage, these are not artillery shells falling from above, this is a controlled attack on that building. That's why *only* the admin building, which is not related to the control of the power plant or can cause any harm was attacked.


    They can't risk a true nuclear disaster, but they can give a fake one so the west media uses it to demonize russia

    Look at the video on the telegram post and follow the red circles and you'll see very clear what truly happened. Cameras don't lie, that's why they maybe took down the power plant website entirely now

    I made a backup of the video but unfortunately i don't have much time now to keep updating, so please check for yourselves

    ETA:

    Important to mention that it was said it was artillery shells, such as cannons are used when attacking a position to demolish locations and take over. Tanks like the ones on that video are usually not referred in that way, self-propelled artillery does. So it doesn't make sense to say it that way

    And second, if they had already taken control of the plant, why shoot like that? It's a bit odd unless they wanted to take down people in that building

    In any case it shows that it's not true that several building were burning the way they said. It confirms what the officials at the plant said, that it was not inside the actual power plant and that it was the admin building only. No danger or damage was done to the actual power plant reactors, unlike what media is trying to lead people into believing
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    Quote Posted by norman (here)
    I was wrapped up in the notion that the globalist planned this "WAR" and I was strategising it all out up in front on that basis ( compulsory false flag n all ), then about 24 hours ago, it dawned on me that it's more than possible that they DIDN'T.

    I'm now thinking the closest they got to being up front and privi to it being about to happen was their intel sources telling them it was coming. I think they were caught with their pants down...


    Without being aware of what you may mean in great detail, it sounds to me like you are on the right track in the main.


    The British Empire has been trying to bait and bog down Russia, the USSR, and then Russia again, for quite some time. So, of course, the agitprop was indeed trying to cause Russia a problem, lose resources, or "do something" about Ukraine sooner or later.

    Just because they have done so, certainly does not mean they are "taking orders" from the Pope or something crazy like that. It probably is at an unusual or inconvenient time for the remains of the Empire. In many cases, these are the same people that hide in bunkers and literally spend millions of dollars trying to figure out how to keep their own security personnel from turning against them.


    Now as much as one would be correct to associate Jackson Hole Wyoming 2019 to the Great Reset, you only have to go back one year (Davos 2018 I think) to realize this was the response to the announcement:


    Gentlemen, capitalism as we know it is dead.


    From there, a sales pitch for a new brand, anything you will buy. But if it gets de-dollarized, or, for example, Saudi Arabia goes south, then this whole effort is going to lose its grip rather quickly.

    What happens a few months from now when people in Indonesia witness the trials of Azov officers? The west, or petrodollar system, etc., has not won any friends for quite a while.

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    Quote Posted by Gwin Ru (here)
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    ... Lt Col Roy Potter agreeing with Col. Macgregor:

    Wednesday 2 Mar 2022 Update 46:05

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    roypotterqa

    https://youtu.be/QH5O1oeCfL8
    in this video Roy Potter references a number of times GMIs... I'm unfamiliar with this terminology. Anybody know what this means? Genetically Modified Injections?
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    Many of you will be aware of the individual from the United States (New York) who is known as: Lionel, this guy used to be radio personality, he operates as a lawyer in some capacity, he possesses a prodigious vocabulary, and he also has a very sharp, critically thinking mind - Lionel used to appear on RT and Fox News as a media analyst; most recently he has built a considerable following on YouTube and has taken the 'shock Jock of the 21st Century' vibe to a new altitude.
    Lionel is my age, 63 going on 64 and we share many attributes:
    1. a great love of classic rock and guitar music of the 50's/60's/70's & some of the 80's (the 80's was a fizzle musically speaking)
    2. A great interest in politics and the world at large
    3. A facility with the English language and a love of words
    4. A massive dislike of current media and journalism - or should I say the disintegration of journalism as a respected profession.
    Lionel has really 'taken flight' in Ego terms - he is massively in love with himself as an analyst and as a commentator of popular culture, and because of this he pisses a lot of folks off; much like Cliff who is another enormous ego who proclaims to know how the world is put together and how it is falling apart according to schedule!
    I don't have a problem with egotism and self love, only when this is based on fatuous self regard and emptiness does it offend me-those who seek to attack and smear others in order to elevate themselves, then I have a problem with it.
    Anyway Lionel has some interesting perspectives on all of this Russia/Ukraine event, as you might expect, he says that we have never been here before, that the current chess pieces in play represent the New World Order asserting its plan, of course the details to this are considerable and I am not going to pretend to 'know' ultimately what is going on, but I recognize truth in what Lionel is saying, along with some other astute observers, this is not an invasion and this is not Russia challenging the west, all the rest is NATO/NWO narrative.
    Anyway here is a brief taste of Lionel's view:

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    I'm now thinking the closest they got to being up front and privi to it being about to happen was their intel sources telling them it was coming. I think they were caught with their pants down and that explains the panicky undoing of the mind trance of the covid doom and gloom alienation from the people that they were in due to their premature tyrannical flagilletions and post democracy/technocratic dreaming. Their psy experts screamed at them their psy pants were down, A completely wrong public mind wash for a war.

    Tell me I'm wrong, but that's how it feels to me now.

    THIS ! . . . was on MSM TV , "Saturday Night Live"

    Don't spill your coffee, this is quite a shocker for post covid MSM.

    https://rumble.com/vw5twz-covid-dinn...b-26-2022.html

    I know this seems a million miles away from Ukraine, but . . . . .

    Source: https://www.rumble.com/video/vtjnvl
    It would seem the entranced are beginning to question not only the narrative, but also their paradigm of consciousness. This seems like a positive thing. I didn't see this as mocking the sane--their typical modus operandi--but rather poking fun at themselves for daring to contemplate they may all be delusional.

    And yes, I agree. SNL is 100% propaganda, and isn't the least bit funny. Which is why this skit is very interesting to say the least and may suggest a paradigm shift afoot...

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    Goldman Sachs ( Gollum Sucks as I call them ) are buying Russian junk bonds like they are going out of fashion.

    Hey, Joe Biden .. hey, Federal Reserve -- IS THAT PATRIOTIC .?

    As always the gangsta bankers are backing both sides - but expect you to pick a side

    No wonder they do not teach real history in schools these days

    I'm hoping a few of us are wise ................... and have seen this movie before

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    I'm hearing from guy's 'in the know' associated with banks and funds across Europe and the US, that the buying of Russian debt has become the new modern day 'gold rush' over the last few days.

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    This is what I was getting at earlier. Here were a couple of things that may be better than "rumor" which will soon verify themselves if true.


    According to an author named Auslander near the Black Sea:


    The mass graves in Novorossiya will be, and in three locations are being, opened to remove the thousands of civilians entombed in them.

    Novorossiya and Russia has the lists of each and every one who was involved in the slaughter, rape and pillage of Novorossiya, of every orc who pulled a trigger or yanked a lanyard to fire in to Novorossiya from the moment Minsk 1 was signed. The war crimes trials will go on for a while. Novorossiya does have the death penalty.

    The Nazi Azov Battalion is now in a cauldron in Mariupol, surrounded by NAF (Novorossiya Armed Forces) and Russian Army. The nazis are not allowing any civilians out, as they are wont to do they are using the tens of thousands of civilians trapped in the city with them as human shields. Unconfirmed rumors of the orcs shooting civilians trying to leave are extant but so far I have not seen one verifiable video as being definitely in Mariupol.

    Other orc units are being put in cauldrons north of Lughansk City.

    Either way, the nazi orcs in and around Novorossiya will be shown no mercy, they are NOT members of Ukraine Army.



    Also something I was unaware of from Tom Luongo:



    It means simply that Russia has now, in effect, begun the remonetization of gold for domestic purposes. By removing the VAT on gold purchases Russian citizens can now offset their currency risk with gold and stabilize the domestic monetary situation...It’s the beginning of the process of draining physical gold from the global market and control over its price by the ponzi schemes that are the COMEX and the LBMA.



    That was a big deal something like a 20% tax which obviously prevented gold purchasing by nearly anyone. Sort of like a switch that was on a timer until now.

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    ZALENSKY HAS ORDERED ALL PEOPLE FLEEING UKRAINE SHOT ON SIGHT.

    Posted By: Watchman
    Date: Thursday, 3-Mar-2022 19:34:03
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    THE FOLLOWING VIDEO WAS A LIVE STREAM FROM A MARRIED COUPLE WHO CAME ACROSS A MASSACRE AT A ZELENSKY CHECK POINT IN MARIUPOL. THE LIVE STREAM CUTS AS THEY ARE SHOT. RUSSIA TRIED TO SET UP SAFE CORRIDORS FOR PEOPLE TO LEAVE THROUGH. OBVIOUSLY YOU DO NOT TAKE THE SHORTCUT!!!

    I think a Putin "shock and awe" might have been a better idea. I hope Putin sees this and takes appropriate action.
    A majority of the videos you see embedded here come off my own servers. You can always right click to save them. This is definitely one of those, it documents a serious war crime.

    They are just pulling people and shooting them on the spot, leaving their cars abandoned and bodies strewn. Your browser does not support the video tag.

    http://198.46.190.126/videos/zalenskymassacre.mp4

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    "There is a real danger to the nation when a free press is replaced with corporate media that stifles and censors dissent. Rather than a free press, we now have a Ministry of Propaganda that acts as an echo chamber for the latest diktats from the White House. The systematic creation of false narratives by corporate media, designed to serve the purposes of the federal government, have so misinformed the American public about world events that we find the nation ready to go to war with Russia.

    This is suicidal course for not only the U.S. and the EU, but for civilization as a whole, because this would likely end in a nuclear war that will destroy all nations and peoples. "
    Steven Starr

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    Ukraine & Nukes
    March 3, 2022

    After a New York Times reporter grossly distorted what Putin and Zelensky have said and done about nuclear weapons, Steven Starr corrects the record and deplores Western media, in general, for misinforming and leading the entire world in a dangerous direction.



    U.S. troops arrive at Nuremberg International Airport on Feb. 28 to join the NATO Response Force. which was activated for the first time in history in a collective defence context. (NATO)

    By Steven Starr
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    The New York Times recently published an article by David Sanger entitled “Putin spins a conspiracy theory that Ukraine is on a path to produce nuclear weapons.” Unfortunately, it is Sanger who puts so much spin in his reporting that he leaves his readers with a grossly distorted version of the what the presidents of Russia and Ukraine have said and done.

    Ukrainian Volodymyr Zelensky’s recent statements at the Munich conference centered around the 1994 Budapest Memorandum, which welcomed Ukraine’s accession to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) in conjunction with Ukraine’s decision to return to Russia the nuclear weapons left on its territory by the Soviet Union.

    In other words, the Budapest Memorandum was expressly about Ukraine giving up its nukes and not becoming a nuclear weapon state in the future. Zelensky’s speech at Munich made it clear that Ukraine was moving to repudiate the Budapest Memorandum; Zelensky essentially stated that Ukraine must be made a member of NATO, otherwise it would acquire nuclear weapons.

    This is what Zelensky said, with emphasis added:

    “I want to believe that the North Atlantic Treaty and Article 5 will be more effective than the Budapest Memorandum.

    Ukraine has received security guarantees for abandoning the world’s third nuclear capability [i.e. Ukraine relinquished the Soviet nuclear weapons that had been placed in Ukraine during the Cold War]. We don’t have that weapon. … Therefore, we have something. The right to demand a shift from a policy of appeasement to ensuring security and peace guarantees.

    Since 2014, Ukraine has tried three times to convene consultations with the guarantor states of the Budapest Memorandum. Three times without success. . . I am initiating consultations in the framework of the Budapest Memorandum. The Minister of Foreign Affairs was commissioned to convene them. If they do not happen again or their results do not guarantee security for our country, Ukraine will have every right to believe that the Budapest Memorandum is not working and all the package decisions of 1994 are in doubt. . .

    I am initiating consultations in the framework of the Budapest Memorandum. The Minister of Foreign Affairs was commissioned to convene them. If they do not happen again or their results do not guarantee security for our country, Ukraine will have every right to believe that the Budapest Memorandum is not working and all the package decisions of 1994 are in doubt.”


    Sanger’s Times article implies that it was a “conspiracy theory” that Zelensky was calling for Ukraine to acquire nuclear weapons. Sanger was not ignorant of the meaning of the Budapest Memorandum, rather he chose to deliberately ignore it and misrepresented the facts.

    President Vladimir Putin, along with the majority of Russians, could not ignore such a threat for a number of historical reasons that The New York Times and ideologues such as Sanger have also chosen to ignore. It is important to list some of those facts, since most Americans are unaware of them, as they have not been reported in the Western mainstream media. Leaving parts of the story out turns Putin into just a madman bent on conquest without any reason to intervene.

    First, both the provinces of Donetsk and Lugansk in the Donbass region voted for independence from Ukraine in 2014 in resistance to a U.S.-backed coup that overthrew the elected president Viktor Yanukovych in February of that year. The independence vote came just eight days after neo-Nazis burned dozens of ethnic Russians alive in Odessa. To crush their bid for independence, the new U.S.-installed Ukrainian government then launched an “anti-terrorist” war against the provinces, with the assistance of the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion, which had taken part in the coup. It is a war that is still going on eight years later, a war that Russia has just entered.

    During these eight years, the Ukrainian Armed Forces and Azov have used artillery, snipers and assassination teams to systematically butcher more than 5,000 people (another 8,000 were wounded) — mostly civilians — in the Donetsk Peoples Republic, according to the leader of the DPR, who provided these figures in a press conference recently. In the Luhansk People’s Republic, an additional 2,000 civilians were killed and 3,365 injured. The total number of people killed and wounded in Donbass since 2014 is more than 18,000.

    This has received at most superficial coverage by The New York Times; it has not been covered by Western corporate media because it does not fit the official Washington narrative that Ukraine is pursuing an “anti-terrorist operation” in its unrelenting attacks on the people of Donbass. For eight years the war instead has been portrayed as a Russian “invasion,” well before Russia’s current intervention.

    Likewise, The New York Times, in its overall coverage, chose not to report that the Ukrainian forces had deployed half of its army, about 125,000 troops, to its border with Donbass by the beginning of 2022.



    The importance of neo-Nazi Right Sektor politicians in the Ukraine government and neo-Nazi militias (such as the Azov Battalion) to the Ukrainian Armed Forces, also goes unreported in the mainstream corporate media. The Azov battalion flies Nazi flags; they have been trained by teams of U.S. military advisers and praised on Facebook these days. In 2014, Azov was incorporated in the Ukrainian National Guard under the direction of the Interior Ministry.

    The Nazis killed something on the order of 27 million Soviets/Russians during World War II (the U.S. lost 404,000). Russia has not forgotten and is extremely sensitive to any threats and violence coming from neo-Nazis. Americans generally do not understand what this means to Russians as the United States has never been invaded.

    So, when the leader of Ukraine essentially threatens to obtain nuclear weapons, this is most certainly considered to be an existential threat to Russia. That is why Putin focused on this during his speech preceding the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Sanger and The New York Times must discount a Ukrainian nuclear threat; they can get away with doing so because they have systematically omitted news pertaining to this for many years.

    Sanger makes a very misleading statement when he writes, “Today Ukraine does not even have the basic infrastructure to produce nuclear fuel.”

    Ukraine is not interested in making nuclear fuel — which Ukraine already purchases from the U.S. Ukraine has plenty of plutonium, which is commonly used to make nuclear weapons today; eight years ago Ukraine held more than 50 tons of plutonium in its spent fuel assemblies stored at its many nuclear power plants (probably considerably more today, as the reactors have continued to run and produce spent fuel). Once plutonium is reprocessed/separated from spent nuclear fuel, it becomes weapons usable. Putin noted that Ukraine already has missiles that could carry nuclear warheads, and they certainly have scientists capable of developing reprocessing facilities and building nuclear weapons.

    In his Feb. 21 televised address, Putin said Ukraine still has the infrastructure leftover from Soviet days to build a bomb. He said:

    “As we know, it has already been stated today that Ukraine intends to create its own nuclear weapons, and this is not just bragging.

    Ukraine has the nuclear technologies created back in the Soviet times and delivery vehicles for such weapons, including aircraft, as well as the Soviet-designed Tochka-U precision tactical missiles with a range of over 100 kilometers.

    But they can do more; it is only a matter of time. They have had the groundwork for this since the Soviet era.

    In other words, acquiring tactical nuclear weapons will be much easier for Ukraine than for some other states I am not going to mention here, which are conducting such research, especially if Kiev receives foreign technological support. We cannot rule this out either.

    If Ukraine acquires weapons of mass destruction, the situation in the world and in Europe will drastically change, especially for us, for Russia. We cannot but react to this real danger, all the more so since let me repeat, Ukraine’s Western patrons may help it acquire these weapons to create yet another threat to our country.”


    NATO-US Refuse Binding Nuclear Treaties

    In his Times piece, Sanger states, “American officials have said repeatedly that they have no plans to place nuclear weapons in Ukraine.”

    But the U.S. and NATO have refused to sign legally binding treaties with Russia to this effect. In reality, the U.S. has been making Ukraine a de facto member of NATO, while training and supplying its military forces and conducting joint exercises on Ukrainian territory. Why wouldn’t the U.S. place nuclear weapons in Ukraine — they have already done so at military bases within the borders of five other European members of NATO. This in fact violates the spirit of the NPT, another issue that Sanger avoids when he notes that Russia has demanded that the U.S. remove nuclear weapons from the European NATO-member states.

    For years the U.S. proclaimed that the Ballistic Missile Defense (BMD) facilities it was placing in Romania and Poland, on the Russian border, were to protect against an “Iranian threat,” even though Iran had no nuclear weapons or missiles that could reach the U.S. But the dual-use Mark 41 launching systems used in the Aegis Ashore BMD facilities can be used to launch Tomahawk cruise missiles, and will be fitted with SM-6 missiles that, if armed with nuclear warheads, could hit Moscow in five-to-six minutes. Putin explicitly warned journalists about this danger in 2016; Russia included the removal of the U.S. BMD facilities in Romania and Poland in its draft treaties presented to the U.S. and NATO last December.



    I wonder if Sanger has ever considered what the U.S. response would be if Russia placed missile launching facilities on the Canadian or Mexican border? Would the U.S. consider that a threat, would it demand that Russia remove them or else the U.S. would use military means to do so?

    30 Years Ago

    Sanger states that today Russia takes a “starkly different from the tone Moscow was taking 30 years ago, when Russian nuclear scientists were being voluntarily retrained to use their skills for peaceful purposes.”

    Russians would reply that 30 years ago NATO had not moved to Russian borders and was not flooding Ukraine with hundreds of tons of weapons and the U.S. had not yet overthrown the government in Kiev to install an anti-Russian regime.

    While the Times is still considered the U.S. “paper of record,” during the last few decades it has devolved into the primary mouthpiece for the official narratives coming from Washington.

    There is a real danger to the nation when a free press is replaced with corporate media that stifles and censors dissent. Rather than a free press, we now have a Ministry of Propaganda that acts as an echo chamber for the latest diktats from the White House. The systematic creation of false narratives by corporate media, designed to serve the purposes of the federal government, have so misinformed the American public about world events that we find the nation ready to go to war with Russia.

    This is suicidal course for not only the U.S. and the EU, but for civilization as a whole, because this would likely end in a nuclear war that will destroy all nations and peoples.

    Steven Starr is the former director of the University of Missouri’s Clinical Laboratory Science Program, and former board member of Physicians for Social Responsibility. His articles have been published by the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, Federation of American Scientists and the Strategic Arms Reduction website of the Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology. He maintains the Nuclear Famine website.
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