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    https://twitter.com/SDyorin/status/1502994539782541313


    https://twitter.com/SDyorin/status/1503003452129038340

    https://twitter.com/SDyorin/status/1503017862109315073

    https://twitter.com/SDyorin/status/1503022933219938311
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    [...]

    But again in my own view, the damage with regard to supply chains (including grain/fertilizer supplies) and the whole western economy, has probably already been irreversibly done. I'd bet a LOT that this was always the principal goal.

    Biden's refusal to turn on the tap of US domestic oil production (almost certainly under someone's orders) says it all. The takedown of America is accelerating fast, and Putin will be all too happy to help it along.

    [...]
    ...

    ... America, You’re About To Be Poor—So Please Don’t Lash Out At Us 14:51

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    https://twitter.com/StanM3/status/1503009567902511104


    https://twitter.com/m_suchkov/status...66733036003330
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    Quote Posted by Ravenlocke, quoting Stan, quoting AFP (here)

    Polish President Andrzej Duda said Sunday the use of chemical weapons by Moscow in its invasion of Ukraine would be "game-changing" and require a rethink of the conflict by NATO
    A crystal clear, right-in-our-faces, False Flag alert. (Of course!)

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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    [...]

    But again in my own view, the damage with regard to supply chains (including grain/fertilizer supplies) and the whole western economy, has probably already been irreversibly done. I'd bet a LOT that this was always the principal goal.

    Biden's refusal to turn on the tap of US domestic oil production (almost certainly under someone's orders) says it all. The takedown of America is accelerating fast, and Putin will be all too happy to help it along.

    [...]
    ... America, You’re About To Be Poor—So Please Don’t Lash Out At Us 14:51

    Mar 13, 2022
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    Gonzalo Lira


    Yes. This guy (who I now follow closely for in-country Ukraine updates) comes over occasionally like a bit of an amiable buffoon, but he's VERY VERY bright, highly aware, personable, totally authentic, really easy to listen to even when his videos are longer, and in this one I'm quite convinced (regrettably!) that he's 100% right.

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    This was yesterday and I believe Zelensky had cut off water supply to Crimea at/before the war started.

    https://twitter.com/SDyorin/status/1502527722861563904


    https://twitter.com/peterpobjecky/st...65832397246466
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    Quote Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
    This was yesterday and I believe Zelensky had cut off water supply to Crimea at/before the war started.

    https://twitter.com/SDyorin/status/1502527722861563904
    Yes, that's correct. For Crimea, this is a huge thing.

    Zelenskyy had purposefully blocked the canal, and water had become a huge problem in Crimea. The area of cultivated farmland dropped from 130,000 hectares in 2013 to just 14,000 in 2017. In 2021, water was only available to residents for three to five hours a day. Restoring the water supply was one of Russia's many tactical objectives.

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    On the Sunday morning talk shows this morning they are reporting Russians killed journalist. Everything here on the news is being pinned oh the Russians and I don't watch hardly any news at all. One thing that's happening for sure, the covid narrative and daily death count on the news here seems to have magically disappeared , time for the next crisis huh. There is a weird twist to this, cat food in a can is extremely hard to find anywhere. Dry bag food is available but not canned. Maybe the journalist should start a narrative on that , it would be safer.

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    Buitenhof 13-03-2022 Interview Russian ambassador in Netherlands on Ukraine---- Dutch national television ' interview ' with Russian ambassador starts at 0.45 seconds after dutch introduction--16 minutes long sabotaging a fair discussion

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    Buitenhof 13-03-2022 Interview Russian ambassador in Netherlands on Ukraine-[...]--- Dutch national television ' interview ' with Russian ambassador starts at 0.45 seconds after dutch introduction--16 minutes long sabotaging a fair discussion
    same play book as applied way back in 2014: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?
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    • YouTube Censoring Anti-Ukraine War Coverage:

    YouTube has released a new series of restrictions on user content, revealing that any perceived “misinformation” about the war in Ukraine or even content that “trivializes” the seriousness of the conflict or its impact will be barred from the platform. For all intents and purposes, the online video network is giving itself space to censor any content that diverges from the official US/NATO position on the war. Jimmy and American comedian Kurt Metzger discuss this latest example of creeping social media silencing of voices that conflict with official narratives.
    No need to follow anyone, only consider broadening (y)our horizon of possibilities ...

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    https://www.cpr.org/2020/01/24/far-a...-military-aid/

    Far Away From Washington, Impeachment Means Little To US Troops Who Provide Ukraine’s Military Aid

    By American Homefront Project
    January 24, 2020
    A Ukrainian and American soldier talk through a potential battlefield scenario with the help of an interpreter at the Combat Training Center in Yavoriv, Ukraine. The Wisconsin National Guard is helping train Ukraine's military.
    The Ukrainian military base known as the Combat Training Center stands at the end of a road riddled with potholes in a quiet stretch of forest and marshland lined with fluffy cattails. For the next nine months, the base in Yavoriv, Ukraine will be home for more than 150 members of the Wisconsin National Guard helping train Ukraine's military.

    Men and women from Wisconsin are joined here by soldiers from Canada, Lithuania, and Poland, who are all working together to help train Ukraine's military to work directly with NATO.

    The United States has provided $1.5 billion in military aid to Ukraine since the country's war with Russia-backed separatists started in 2015. That military assistance helps buy rifles, medical supplies, and other items. It also supports the U.S. troops stationed in Ukraine.

    Although military aid to Ukraine has become entwined with the U.S. impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump, soldiers here say politics in Washington haven't changed the mission in Ukraine.

    "The political disruption that's going on doesn't affect our day to day operations, and it doesn't affect our relationship with our multinational partners, " said Lt. Col. Daniel Walsh of the Wisconsin Guard.

    The base — formally known as the International Center for Peacekeeping and Security — stands hundreds of miles away from the war in Ukraine's east. The base is far closer to Poland, just a short drive away, than the war front. But what happens here is a key part of both Ukraine's war efforts and the U.S. aid effort to the country.

    A collaborative process

    Many of the U.S. soldiers in Yavoriv have done previous tours in places like Iraq or Afghanistan. But this mission in Ukraine is markedly different.

    "In Iraq, we had weapons 24/7. Go to the bathroom; guess what's coming with you," said Maj. Kathrine Berberich of the Wisconsin Guard as she walked unarmed around the base in Yavoriv.

    Behind Berberich, a group of puppies born on the base frolicked by a line of olive green tanks. About a dozen dogs - mostly strays - have wandered onto the base and been taken in by soldiers. A sign on the base asking for donations to buy the dogs anti-flea treatments and rabies vaccinations shows pictures of adopted dogs with names like Socks and Sergeant Major. It notes that a black dog with light brown paws named Shoes is "not a big fan of hugs."

    Although Ukrainian troops do take part in battlefield exercises in Yavoriv, complete with demolitions and artillery fire, they also spend a lot of time in classrooms learning about subjects like NATO procedures in a potential battle. Ukraine's military is currently working to achieve full "interoperability" with NATO. The U.S. soldiers are in Yavoriv to help the Ukrainians meet that goal.

    On a recent afternoon, an interpreter helped American and Ukrainian soldiers communicate as they stood bent over a map showing a potential battlefield scenario. Working to strengthen the armed forces of U.S. allies is a huge part of what the U.S. military does overseas, Lt. Col. Walsh said.

    "I think it's in America's interest to promote democracy," Walsh said. "Ukraine is a fledgling democracy, and our job is to work with their military to help them achieve their political goals."

    The Wisconsin National Guard is the eighth group of U.S. soldiers who have rotated through Ukraine and worked with the Ukrainian military since 2015.

    Col. Michael Hanson, the Deputy Commanding Officer in Yavoriv, said that U.S. military aid is a collaborative process between American and Ukrainian soldiers.

    "What we try to do is sit down with them and say, 'What do you need? What does your army want?'" Hanson said. "And then we're using our expertise to help teach that."

    In addition to becoming interoperable with NATO, Ukraine has also sent strong signals that it wants to eventually become a NATO member.

    President Trump has criticized NATO for placing an unfair financial burden on the U.S. and pressured other member states to increase their defense spending. Col. Hanson, speaking about the mission here in Ukraine, said the sort of work that the U.S. military does in countries like Ukraine brings a great return on the financial investment that ultimately helps bolster U.S. security.

    "We are a nation that only has so much money, so we can only have a certain size military," Hanson said. "However, by being out here and building these partnerships, we've now taken a million-man army and turned it into a two-million-man army, and we're not even funding the other million people."

    Mission stresses mentorship and relationships

    The Ukraine mission has been an eye-opening experience for some lower-ranking soldiers from the Wisconsin Guard, many of whom are in their early 20s and have never left the United States before.

    "People from my generation in Ukraine want to fight for their country," said Payton Wehr, a 22-year-old driver from Wisconsin, referring to the young Ukrainian soldiers fighting in the country's war and the youth who took part in Ukraine's 2014 Maidan street revolution in Kyiv that ousted former president Victor Viktor Yanukovych.

    "It's been really empowering to see firsthand how people my age are working really hard to make a difference in Ukraine," Wehr said.

    Wehr befriended local Ukrainians on the base after asking them questions like where to get a good haircut or spray tan in this rural part of western Ukraine. She said the mission fundamentally changed how she thinks about the military's work abroad and her career going forward.

    "Our military does a lot more than combat deployments," Wehr said. "A lot of the focus is supporting other countries."

    U.S. soldiers in Yavoriv stress the importance of mentorship and relationships with Ukrainian soldiers. On a recent evening, some members of the Wisconsin Guard played a blues concert for Polish and Lithuanian soldiers who would soon be leaving. The chords of "Sweet Home Chicago" reverberated from inside a large tent decorated with a Green Bay Packers flag, as an international group of soldiers sat on folding chairs, some drinking beer, and the musicians played.

    "We're so grateful to the American instructors for everything they do here," said one Ukrainian soldier. "We love you," he added.

    This story was produced by the American Homefront Project, a public media collaboration that reports on American military life and veterans. Funding comes from the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.
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    Tulsi's latest take on the biolabs

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    https://twitter.com/catturd2/status/...3AQ42mfOPTAwgA



    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...e-talks-expect

    Quote Ukraine, Russian Negotiators Say "Significant Progress" Made In Ceasefire Talks, Expect Signed Deal In "Next Few Days"

    BY TYLER DURDEN
    SUNDAY, MAR 13, 2022 - 12:12 PM

    While we saw as recently as Friday what happens when the market gets overly optimistic that a Ukraine ceasefire is imminent, only to get the rug pulled from underneath it just hours later ...

    ... on Sunday - day 18 of the Russia-Ukraine war - we are getting the same distinct case of optimistic deja vu, as delegates from both sides of the Ukraine peace talks sounded positive ahead of more negotiations in the next few days. It remains to be seen if this is the start of a peaceful resolution to the war or just another false dawn.

    According to the Guardian, Ukrainian negotiator and presidential advisor Mykhailo Podolyak said talks had become more constructive.

    “We will not concede in principle on any positions. Russia now understands this. Russia is already beginning to talk constructively. I think that we will achieve some results literally in a matter of days,” he said in a video posted online.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...0806dde1f8d3b7

    https://twitter.com/Podolyak_M/statu...X68AjXDZFUxFAw



    At the same time, Leonid ****sky, member of the Russian negotiating delegation and head of the State Duma Committee on International Affairs also said there had been significant progress and they hoped to soon arrive at a “joint position”, Sky News reports.

    According to the state-owned RIA news agency said that when ****ski compared the state of talks now with those when they first started, there had been “substantial progress”.

    “According to my personal expectations, this progress may grow in the coming days into a joint position of both delegations, into documents for signing,”
    ****sky said. It was not clear what the scope of any such documents might be.

    As ****sky pointed out , the agreements between the parties will help reduce tensions and "save many people."

    Three rounds of talks between the two sides in Belarus, most recently last Monday, had focused mainly on humanitarian issues and led to the limited opening of some corridors for civilians to escape fighting. This comes a day after the French and German presidents, Emmanuel Macron and Olaf Scholz said Vladimir Putin did not show a willingness to end the war during a call on Saturday.

    The peace process is also getting a fresh kick start after Bloomberg reported that the U.S. and China will hold the first high-level, in-person talks since Russia’s full invasion of Ukraine, as the Biden administration continues to try to enlist Beijing to exert influence on its neighbor to end the crisis.

    National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan will meet in Rome on Monday with China’s top diplomat, Communist Party Politburo member Yang Jiechi, according to a person familiar with the details of the plan.

    President Joe Biden’s top advisers have been working to increase pressure on China to enforce sanctions on Russia’s economy imposed by the U.S. and its European and Asian allies. So far, U.S. officials have said they haven’t seen evidence that Beijing has tried to circumvent them, although that just means that they haven't looked hard enough.

    In any case, if China does agree to mediate talks, it would be seen as a significant development toward peace. Then again, since the Biden admin has little to gain from an accelerated return to normalcy ahead of the midterms - after all the inflationary impulse will be here to stay well into 2023 - especially if the president can no longer blame Putin for everything that is wrong in the US domestically, we expect that this glimmer of hope will be promptly dashed over the next 24-48 hours.
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    It’s interesting that the training center in Yavoriv that is mentioned in that article from 2020 in my previous post
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