WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

[shaberon]

Posted by marielle (here)
The comments are especially good at the Saker site.

Some are. I pull several tips from there. It is moderated a little differently and in some cases can get quite rude. You can relatively quickly determine that you will be ousted for even referring to any Zone A media. If you sound anything like it, you may get warned and then banned. Doesn't really matter if you were rude or not. The narrative is framed, that would be correct. And because of that, it is a lot "cleaner" in an intellectual sense.

There is a bit much commenting on what would/should be done, but if you stick to the points and ideas, you are listening to something that has been almost thoroughly Zio-filtered, which we are not used to.


That is an impression I have been trying to make, when you exit this Zone, the conversation is really not even the same.

Before this got big he specifically said that his "reliable sources" are getting fewer and fewer. And so we have limited opportunities to make any sense in the English language thanks to all the censoring and so forth.


There is a whole lot going on, and we have no reason to really doubt statements such as paramilitaries trying to escape in civilian clothes:


93 of them have been liquidated overnight, the locations of the rest have been established by the bearing of radio conversations. The issue of their destruction is a matter of a short time,” said the head of the National Defense Control Center of the Russian Federation, Colonel-General Mikhail Mizintsev.

[Spiral]

This mornings good news from telegram;

Almost 14,400 people were evacuated to Russia from various dangerous areas in Ukraine in the past 24 hours without Kiev’s assistance, Russian National Defense Control Center head Colonel General Mikhail Mizintsev said on Friday.

"Without the participation of the Kiev government, a total of 14,397 people were evacuated to Russia from various dangerous areas of Ukraine and the people’s republics of Donetsk and Lugansk. Among them were 2,781 children. The overall number of evacuees since the start of the special military operation now stands at 297,858, including 63,465 children," he said.

According to Mizintsev, 181 foreigners from nine countries were evacuated to Crimea without the Ukrainian side’s participation, including citizens of Nigeria (32), Uzbekistan (23), Kazakhstan (17), Lebanon (seven), Sri Lanka (six), Pakistan (four), Serbia (one) and Tunisia (one), as well as 90 citizens of Ukraine.

The foreigners in Ukraine were having particular trouble with the Nazis, esp those with darker skin.

There are lots of videos of people recounting how many people the nazis have murdered, they were shooting anyone trying to flee.

[shaberon]

Posted by mountain_jim (here)

That is not bad.

Yes, NED. I am not sure to what extent it is itself illegal, but, it is expensive and exposed. Organ harvesting, mostly voluntary.


I am starting to wonder if perhaps the most courageous moment in history is represented by these snippets:



At a UN Security Council meeting, the Russian envoy said there is evidence of "dangerous military-biological activities" in the centre of Eastern Europe. Nebenzia said that the aftermath of these activities could have "splashed out" beyond the borders of not just Ukraine, but the entire region.

"The scale of impact, including among the population of European countries, in this case is even difficult to imagine. It is possible that even the [impact caused by the] coronavirus epidemic could pale compared to this," the Russian envoy said.

The Russian Defence Ministry earlier accused the Pentagon of funding biological research in Ukraine in order to create bioweapons and conduct studies on the spread of dangerous infections and viruses.


Crimean Congo hemorrhagic fever, leptospirosis and hantaviruses...




Well the U. N. Court system is...probably expensive. Bringing all this evidence right into the Security Council within a matter of days sounds rather drastic. Usually nobody takes these allegations seriously! And this is not a place for voting because they would always veto the other guy's stuff. They are in the "last chance saloon" and in walks someone with a meeting full of what sounds like damnation.


Maybe "we'll review this for seventy-five years" will satisfy the accusation. Think so? I bet that's what they're waiting to hear. Could take a lot of time. Allright. It takes one day to absorb this feedback from the experienced veterans of Iraq:


This is unlike anything ever seen before. Damage inflicted by the Russian military is overwhelming. There is nothing you can do.


And so if that day is over by the time I write this, then, it must be almost time for another day in the office of damnation.

This is why Chinese people are so highly trained to take it all with a straight face.

But that may be an understated pivotal moment because there is almost nothing that could possibly be said that could in fact be more serious.

[Mashika]

The Ukrainian government and associates believe that most, if not all, Russians are not "pure blood slavs" because they mixed with other cultures, therefore they are not 'clean' and must be cleansed out of the planet

I believe this same categorization covers most, if not all, the people in the US, but look at the little puppets clapping for it even in western countries

It is truly very clear now that most of the western people understand reality through a "tail wags the dog" reality

I sometime wrote a post about how ignorant and unprepared the US previous generations had caused new generations to be, i don't know where but may had been the China turmoil thread. But anyways, i was wrong, i thought they were just "unprepared" and that they could possibly fix it somehow, now i can see there's not turning back for Idiocracy, since it's now the new 'reality'

Even this guy proves it, i even feel sorry for him. Just look at him so hopeful and bsing his way out of reality word by word, like a kid caught stealing and eating the crayons or glue from another kid in kindergartner

https://sputniknews.com/20220319/us-...093998398.html

"We are profoundly disappointed and troubled by this apparent attempt to legitimize Bashar al-Assad... As Secretary [of State Antony] Blinken has reiterated, we do not support efforts to rehabilitate Assad; and we do not support others normalising relations", Price said in a statement on Friday. "We have been clear about this with our partners".

I would call a toxic partner... as in "Don't talk or look to other girls!", or the one that wants to check your phone just to be sure that you are not talking to someone else, or the one that demands a joint Facebook account so he can look at who are you talking or befriending online. That's not a "partner", that's a crazy person with several critical issues

He speaks from a high moral ground and high power position that doesn't exist anymore, but he still doesn't understand it, because he was raised on the "we are exceptional" way of thinking that is a fallacy that can't be sustained anymore. He can't grasp reality, because his education is lacking, doesn't allow him to consider or look at things from outside his bubble of "we are the best of the best of the best" caricature he grew up in. Why would someone assume they have the right to call on other people on how they do their business or what is convenient for them?

"What is best for me is what is convenient for you, trust me, i'm exceptional". If that sounds stupid and ridiculous plus other things that's because it is

I started feeling sorry for the guy and everyone who thinks the same, but then i remembered the millions of people who have died under this kind of stupidity and then i did not felt sorry anymore

So reality check is coming and he will be totally unprepared for it. Just recently we saw it when he was questioned about proof of his mumbling and he was tumbling all over the place with ridiculous childish excuses and unreasonable explanations, he's just not prepared for a world where things are not scripted, simple as that. He is not a real "grown up person", he's still playing pretend because no one told him that in real life you can't just act the part, you need to actually do the walk not just the talk

"The US government is three kids stacked over each other under a trench coat"

And so it is

I looked a bit at western media and i was feeling nasty about what i saw. I don't think i need to ever go back and read/watch anything from there, it's just garbage, 100% garbage, like vomit thrown up by a drunk person who later, like a dog, eats it again because they feels empty somehow. Just NO.

Even a guy who got his family killed by Ukranian shelling of a humanitarian corridor was put on tv so he would cry and blame Russia! Amazing how corrupt and rotten the media is, and this all comes from the US government of course. Let me repeat that "The Ukranian Nazis kill his family while they were at a humanitarian corridor, then he was told Russia did it, then he was put on TV so the entire US would see him crying about his wife and kid, only to pull heart strings and hate against Russia"

The US government and media is morally and soul corrupt beyond the turning back point

And corrupting the TikTok influencers is the lowest of the lowest, it shows clearly the US cares very little about young people, they will corrupt them if necessary along with the millions that listen to the influencers, no matter what the future becomes. No one seems to be thinking about the future consequences of these actions. But it is obvious a generation of fools and ignorants is on the way, beyond whatever you thought was the limit lmao. It just doesn't matter for the current controllers because they are old and "we don't care for those f*ckers, we'll be dead before s*it happens to them"

The US media said Russia was paying Tiktokers to distribute Russian propaganda, but they forgot one thing in their idiotic and ignorant rabid propaganda. TikTok banned Russians from posting content or doing live streams since before the "I was invited to the White House" lamentable thing happened! That's how stupid and low cognitive the US government is, they can't even get their simple facts to fit into a valid timeline?

So.. how Russian TikTok'ers can do propaganda, if they can't post new content or anything at all since way before the US did their nasty thing? I bet no one in the US or the west knows that TikTok banned all Russian TikTokers from posting content on the platform since 2/3 weeks ago

Anyways, the corruption of the young people in the US will leave the entire country under control of retarded people who can't figure out how to put gas on their cars or turn off the tv at all, and this is by design of your own government

There is a difference between us, definitely, and i'm not bragging or insulting, the insult is made by your own government. I'm just saying 'we are not the same' because i can see it and it hurts to see it. US young people are not like us, they are just stupid and no one will try to fix it because it works for the benefit of most other countries in the world by now

Going to quote myself here, i'm sorry. Still this remains true more than ever
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1387947

What i see is this, most people in the west keep looking into communism as a danger, while most eastern young (8 to 28 or so) keep looking into how the communist view is obsolete and retarded, and push for a new view which the west is not even aware of

By the time the west realizes that they were not looking at the right place, it will be too late, because most young people in the east believe the old communist views are done for, and they have their own views, which are not even acknowledged on the west, by own choice, or lack of. There is a complete view which is out of sync with reality

While in the east most people learn about real hard history and prepare for a hard future (see the Russian youth army, or the Nashi), in the US at least more kids the same age can not even write their own language, much less understand implications of wars or politics and so

While in the East a Nashi or youth army kid can disassemble a rifle and reassemble in 30 seconds, in the US kids can only watch Tiktok all day and talk half English written sentences and play with guns on games, while the eastern kids play with real guns and go take advanced classes of history, math and science

Current US army stands around 1+ million soldiers, just alone, in Russia, the youth army is closing in on that number. This means, kids from 8 years to 17 are in the numbers of 800 thousand, all well prepared, all with high education, all ready for combat, and same in China and other eastern countries

While in the east most people learn about real hard history and prepare for a hard future (see the Russian youth army, or the Nashi), in the US at least more kids the same age can not even write their own language, much less understand implications of wars or politics and so

And here we are, but in a way worst way that it thought it could possibly be

Now i'm going to say this

By what i see in all the countries that are basic lapdogs of the US is this: The entire young people will become idiotic, dumb and useless unless they go vote or go die in war in name of the few children born out of people who are directing this current 'crisis'

We'll see a very dumb, but well organized army of stupid useful fools, with the 1% at the top laughing at them, it's a re-spawn (some may call it great reset), but it doesn't matter, it's just "we'll remain in control and you will be even more stupid than you were before, just look at you bunch of idiots, lmao! think about it! You can't because if you think you are cancelled!" and then "Wait, did i said that or just thought about it?" oh no! What do you mean i said it in front of the entire world, "I was hacked! That wasn't me! Russian disinformation!"


ETA:

I wish i could say "I'm sorry" for the above, but i can't and i won't. Because that kind of enabling stupidity has caused thousands of deaths and suffering most people will never learn about. But i do know about it all

So no, i will not apologize ever for calling stupid or idiots or imbeciles the people who must be called stupid, idiots and imbeciles

If anything, i will agree with one thing, the way and how i feel/speak, can be considered my 17 year old self from back then. I don't think ever grew out of that anger phase and all that caused it. So very much inside and sometimes outside, i'm still 17 in that way.

Make of that whatever you want, but as said, i won't apologize for knowing the truth and how nasty things truly are

[Mashika]

I read about this a lot now, "Russia is stopped and can't move forward, they lack armament and/or resources"

This is very inaccurate, simply because people posting this are either 1. Not anywhere close to being knowledgeable about war strategy and 2. They want to fool people into believing this to gain time and do nasty stuff behind the scenes

If Russia's army wanted to take down Ukraine in the way the US and NATO does, there would be no Ukraine by now, simply look at this

Where are the Tsirkon missiles? Doesn't look like not 1 of those has been fired yet against Ukraine

Where are the bombers like the Tupolev Tu-95 or Tupolev Tu-160? Those are massive destructive bombers, nothing remains after one of those go by

So, where are they? Not one of them went by yet, think why this is

Where are all the Sukhoi planes, the Su-35, the Su-34? So far you only see Su-25 which are ancient way more than the Su-34, where are the new planes?

No where because there's no need to deploy them... Think fast, it has been determined that deploying a limited army that matched a similar limited army from 30/35 years ago was all that was needed

I wonder if people truly considering there's a reality behind the "Russia's army has been slowed down by the fierce fight of the Ukrainians" are truly capable of doing a search on the web on their own

There has been no hypersonic missile yet been fired against Ukraine, and there have been no bombers of high level deployed, and neither have been modern capabilities been deployed, Russia's army is fighting with a purposely deployed army which matches a 30+ year old tech level, including 1970's equipment in lots of instances

But in the required instances, such as the NATO "hidden" base that everyone knew about that got hit, modern warfare was used and it was done in less than 30 minutes, with 200 mercenaries dead, it was clear what happened there

The only reason this hasn't happened other places is because the Nazi keep people as human shields and hostages And every idiot out there supporting them also supports the killing and crimes against humanity that is being performed against innocents by the Nazi groups in Ukraine

Long story short: You defeat Ukraine with an army deployment which was top of the line almost 40 years ago, you don't need to deploy your modern army because it's a waste of time and effort/resources


This should be obvious, but somehow is not!

[Mashika]

People in the West should be asking this

Where is the OSCE? Why are they not documenting war crimes and not doing anything at all?
Where is the UN truly? Or other groups? They are missing! Why?

It's because they can't go there and document the reality, because other people/groups are also documenting it and then if they go and lie in front of the world or "miss" information other people easily got, they will be exposed for that they are, a fake useless organization

That's why you don't hear anything from them but "we are worried" or the usual "concerned"

And then they ignore the evidence provided through them since almost a decade ago

That's the basics of this framework of reality most people in the west live under

Today and yesterday in Yasynuvataya, lots of shells and other attacks went in, destroying lots and lots of homes, hurting lots of people but not killing much of them as they mostly have been taken out in time. Still their homes were totalled, in possibly like 100's

This won't make the news on the west, and if it does, it will be totally lied about without any kind of morals or like a beast, it will say "Russian's bomb small town in Ukraine" just like they did with the bombing of Ukraine into Donetsk just few days ago.

The Ukrainian bombing of Donetsk? It was published with the pictures of the dead in Donetsk with a title saying that it happened in Kiev and that it was Russia who bombed and killed those people. They turned it around shamelessly, even picking up the pictured of the dead people on the streets! How rotten can western media be? I bet there's a low even lower than this

Soul corruption is a wonder to see in real time, it truly is

[Mashika]

Someone forgot to take out the "other" patch? .. he he he

Needs confirmation but at this point it just all looks very plausible, not the first time this happens by the way

[Mashika]

There is a video showing a Russian hypersonic missile hitting Ukraine, it's probably a fake because:

- It doesn't show the explosion, even when the camera looks at it all the way down. The explosion had to be massive for an hypersonic missile, but we hear the explosion and not see it?
- Missile seems way too hot compared to other samples, it's not leaving a trace behind it unlike other samples
- Video cuts off immediately after the missile is about to hit the ground, but we get to see the location where it "hit" without an explosion going on
- Don't hear the flying, whistling sound of it as it would otherwise for a missile coming down (there is always a sound if you are watching from some place away from the hit point)

This may be disinfo in a way to claim Russia is using illegal weapons of some sort against civilians or against legal war Vienna conventions

https://t.me/grey_zone/13213

[JackMcThorn]

Irish news reports the use of a hypersonic missile against an underground warehouse storing munitions. The Irish media is a little more tolerable than the english media. Sky news just presents a 'hate russia agenda', and focuses on destroyed residential areas. They say the Russian is not winning and is stalled, but every picture they show is complete destruction. If not for Malisa and Coach Redpill, I might not have understood what is actually going on.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ukraine/2022...onic-missiles/

[Mashika]

Please tell me this is not true

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=TreObw03Xfk

🇺🇲🤡 In the US state of Texas, a local official showed support for Ukraine with the help of rap

Saw it on Telegram here: https://t.me/intelslava/22846

Has to be fake, right?

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Malisa (here)
Please tell me this is not true

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=TreObw03Xfk

🇺🇲🤡 In the US state of Texas, a local official showed support for Ukraine with the help of rap

Saw it on Telegram here: https://t.me/intelslava/22846

Has to be fake, right?

It has to be! (If it's not, the world is [even] crazier than I'd thought. )

One giveaway might be that part of the clip seems to be filmed from a camera right in front of him, but in the other view (from behind him), no camera can be seen. (But assuming it's fake, it's still a lot of fun and very clever )

Posted by Malisa (here)
There is a video showing a Russian hypersonic missile hitting Ukraine, it's probably a fake because:

- It doesn't show the explosion, even when the camera looks at it all the way down. The explosion had to be massive for an hypersonic missile, but we hear the explosion and not see it?
- Missile seems way too hot compared to other samples, it's not leaving a trace behind it unlike other samples
- Video cuts off immediately after the missile is about to hit the ground, but we get to see the location where it "hit" without an explosion going on
- Don't hear the flying, whistling sound of it as it would otherwise for a missile coming down (there is always a sound if you are watching from some place away from the hit point)

Probably fake (too ). A real hypersonic missile (Mach 5 or faster) would be a very expensive, state-of-the-art, super-high-tech piece of equipment. The Russians wouldn't waste it on anything that a regular cruise missile could do — unless they wanted to demonstrate its capability to the west, which might just be possible.

There's just so, so, so much misinfo out there that it's not always easy to navigate it all. Everything claimed by anyone, anywhere, really needs to be looked at very carefully before instantly believing it. (But the Avalon community is really pretty good at that these days)

[Mashika]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Probably fake (too ). A real hypersonic missile (Mach 5 or faster) would be a very expensive, state-of-the-art, super-high-tech piece of equipment. The Russians wouldn't waste it on anything that a regular cruise missile could do — unless they wanted to demonstrate its capability to the west, which might just be possible.

The Tsirkon i believe is close to mach 10, around 9.xx

The destruction after impact would be as massive as a nuclear bomb, it would not go undetected around the world

Something else may have been sent, like a few Kliber or Iskander, but not a Tsirkon, it would be way too much at this point, even as a message or demonstration of sorts

(I hope... at least)

[Gwin Ru]

...

... a prayer-guided meteorite would do the trick too... only 1/4 joking...

[Mashika]

Ukrainian refugees who are moving to Russia found out that there's no more American soda due to sanctions, so they need to make sure they keep alive with their American life style for the time being



lmao! So sorry, just lightening up the mood a bit, but this is true from yesterday/today! :D

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Malisa (here)
Ukrainian refugees who are moving to Russia found out that there's no more American soda due to sanctions, so they need to make sure they keep alive with their American life style for the time being



lmao! So sorry, just lightening up the mood a bit, but this is true from yesterday/today! :D

The Americans have got it all wrong.... if they really wanted to bring down the Russian people, they should open up 1000 more McDonalds, plus Dunkin Donuts and as much soda as they could export in a special new giant pipeline.

[Gwin Ru]

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... the new caramelized gold... worth it's weight in real gold on the black market...

[ExomatrixTV]

• Ukraine's Anti Russian Stance Is a Zionist Masterplan By Sheikh Imran Hosein Before Five Years!

source


A Fb friend shared that in my Fb Group and am not sure to make of it ... Sheikh Imran Hosein claims Former ("Zionist Created") Soviet Union Empire gave Crimea & Eastern Ukraine to Ukraine as a "gift" but do not educate the masses why!

• en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imran_N._Hosein
• youtube.com/user/SheikhImranHosein/videos

cheers,
John

[Mashika]

I stand corrected, it has actually been an hypersonic missile what hit Ukraine today, i still don't believe that one video was true, specially the missing giant explosion moment even when the camera is directly looking at where it should have happened

But here you go, it was a true hypersonic missile (a Kinzhal missile) . Let's see if videos come out, and probably was not flying at top speed because again that would be massive like a nuclear bomb, and this one goes Mach 10

https://www.rt.com/russia/552284-kin...ssile-ukraine/

Russia fires hypersonic missiles in Ukraine
Moscow has deployed Kinzhal missiles for the first time since the start of its military operation

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
unless they wanted to demonstrate its capability to the west, which might just be possible.

So it seem that was the case

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Malisa (here)
There is a video showing a Russian hypersonic missile hitting Ukraine

Well, it may be real!

Reported on Russia Today: (I'll copy the whole thing for those who can't access the article)

• https://rt.com/russia/552284-kinzhal...issile-ukraine

Russia fires hypersonic missiles in Ukraine

Moscow has deployed Kinzhal missiles for the first time since the start of its military operation


MiG-31BM supersonic interceptors carrying the Kh-47M2 Kinzhal hypersonic air-launched ballistic missile

The Russian military has said it used its state-of-the-art Kinzhal hypersonic missiles to destroy an arms depot near the city of Ivano-Frankivsk in western Ukraine.

The strike with the air-launched missile system took place on Friday, Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said during a briefing.

It targeted “a large underground depot of missiles and aerial munitions of the Ukrainian forces” in the village of Deliatyn, he added.

Kinzhal, which means ‘dagger’ in English, was used by the Russian military for the first time since the start of the Ukrainian conflict on February 24.

Those munitions are said to be able to penetrate any existing air defenses by traveling at a whopping speed of up to Mach 10 and constantly maneuvering during their flight.

Kinzhal missiles are carried by MiG-31K supersonic interceptor aircraft, which NATO calls ‘Foxhound’.

The hardware is one of several hypersonic systems prepared for the country’s military in recent years, together with the Avangard glider, which is fitted on silo-based ICBMs, and Zircon (Tsirkon) missiles, developed for the navy.

Moscow sent its troops into Ukraine last month following a seven-year standoff over Kiev’s failure to implement the terms of the Minsk agreements, and Russia’s eventual recognition of the breakaway Donbass republics of Donetsk and Lugansk. The German- and French-brokered protocols had been designed to regularize the status of those regions within the Ukrainian state.

Russia has now demanded that Ukraine officially declare itself a neutral country that will never join the US-led NATO military bloc. Kiev insists the Russian offensive was completely unprovoked and has denied claims it was planning to retake the two republics by force.

[Mashika]

Don't have a doubt that this happened, Ukraine has been very likely hit by an hypersonic missile, but here's a couple things

1. I don't think it was at top speed, it would have been a crazy massive explosion seen from other places far away, there would be lots of videos right now as they have been from when Kliber missiles have strike last days
2. The video posted is suspicious



But what do i know, it may be real after all. I have never, and probably no one also has, seen an hypersonic missile in real time or much less actually being used at all