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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

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    A message to all Americans from Putin



    https://t.me/rockynews/21987



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    By the language of the message this IS NOT from Putin. False information. He would not post such a message.

    You would be laughed out from politics if you presented this "viewpoint".
    This is "fringe" bait to entrap would be supporters to spread false information for then be harassed and discredited with.

    I would see this as likely construct from activists to troll or bait less discerning individuals who don't know the details of fact from fiction.

    This is the "pure conspiracy" viewpoint as discussed on "fringe" forums overall as a gathering of the small talk as hyperbole not taken seriously by any party but continuously being propagandized as the "truth".

    Meaning it's pure bull****.
    No way of telling , you could be correct or wrong .

    The content looks pretty much truthful to me.

    Viking
    The signature is a bit correct, but i think that was picked up from some other document

    Vladimir Putin will never sign something and put his name like that, is not correct

    He uses this form, is the standard and official one

    В.Нутин

    He would never sign any official or public statement with his full name like that, that's just not right at all

    And under the signature it says "ladimir" the V got cut off but the l is aligned correctly with the text above?

    Also think about this, where was this posted originally? He would have made an official TV statement of some kind, or post it on the official president's website. Everything Putin signs is recorded on the official logs

    You can find that here http://en.kremlin.ru/acts/news
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    • Is Moscow changing its strategy in Ukraine?

    Russia has not been able to capture any major Ukrainian city. More than a month after it first invaded its neighbor, in the past few days, several western reports have been doing rounds that Russia has changed its strategy in Ukraine.
    No need to follow anyone, only consider broadening (y)our horizon of possibilities ...

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    Quote Posted by shaberon (here)
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    The stain glass window is now, or was, on display in the London School of Economics.

    Bingo!

    How can you separate this from global geopolitics?

    (...)







    A little "remoulding work" courtesy of the LSE.

    (...)
    “Closer to our hearts!”

    “Sarcasm” comes from the Greek sarks, "flesh, meat" – and the verb sarkadzein, the direct originator of "sarcasm", means a dog’s tearing-off of flesh from the bone of a killed animal, thereby flashing its teeth — and hence the snarler’s baring of his upper lip, stiff or supple...

    Torture, as shown here, is another word for the same thing, when the animal is not yet dead.

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    much of which is about the irrational hatred of Russia among a certain group of American politicians, and their unflinching intention to destroy Russia by any means possible.



    This is a point that is hard to fathom. The American does not even have any plausible historical context to hate Russia. A Briton does even if it was just force fed to them. Why does the American take the British strategy when it was that country he revolted against in the first place?


    We try to keep in mind that the UK does not represent English or any other ethnic nationalism like the Bolshevik was not really Russian. The main meaning of "United" is found in the title of "James VI and I" when there were some innovative religious ideas coming up:


    According to Brackney (2012) and Fine (2015), the French Huguenot magistrate M. le Loyer's The Ten Lost Tribes, published in 1590, provided one of the earliest expressions of the belief that the Anglo-Saxon, Celtic, Scandinavian, Germanic, and associated peoples are the direct descendants of the Old Testament Israelites. Anglo-Israelism has also been attributed to Francis Drake and King James VI and I, who believed he was the King of Israel.


    And so we see these weird identity issues internal to themselves, which is not happening elsewhere. Not long afterwards, from Pepe Escobar's article in this post:

    Russophobia, massively imprinted in the West’s DNA, never really went away. Cultivated by the Brits since Catherine the Great – and then with The Great Game.


    She is an important marking moment. She was of critical interest to the historical St. Germain, and the outreach of the Dalai and Panchen Lamas:


    Since the days of Catherine the Great (1729–1796), the Romanov rulers had been considered by Russian lamaists as the incarnation of White Tara, a female bodhisattva typically associated with Buddhist tantric practice and considered an emanation of Chenresig (the bodhisattva who embodies the compassion of all Buddhas), and the protectress of the Tibetan people.

    According to Kalmyck and Buryat Buddhism:

    ...the Empress of Russia, Catherine the Great (r. 1762–96) is said to have been recognized by Buryats as an emanation of the goddess for legitimating in 1764 the institution of the Pandito Khambo Lama, the supreme head of Buddhism in Russia. Another popular version, albeit also contested by historians, states that it was the empress Elizabeth (r. 1741–62), who was proclaimed the first Russian reincarnation of White Tara for recognizing Buddhism as one of the legitimate religions of the Russian Empire. Other sources indicate that even earlier Russian monarchs were referred to as White Tara among Mongols.


    More "officially" in the twentieth century there was Agvan Dorzhiev:

    By the 1890s Dorzhiev had begun to spread the story that Russia was the mythical land of Shambhala to the north; that its Czar might be the one to save Buddhism and that the White Tsar was an emanation of White Tara, raising hopes that he would support Tibet and its religion. Dorzhiev had suggested to the Tibetans that Russia seemed to be embracing Buddhist ideas since their recent advances into Mongolia and might prove a useful balance to British intrigues.

    In 1909 Dorzhiev got permission from the Tsar to build a large and substantial Buddhist datsan or temple in Saint Petersburg.



    At this time however the western Ivy League and Oxbridge were spreading Eugenics. This impulse is American enough such that:

    Ten years after Virginia passed its 1924 sterilisation act, Joseph Dejarnette, superintendent of Virginia’s Western State Hospital, complained in the Richmond Times-Dispatch: “The Germans are beating us at our own game.”


    Quite so, because the German:

    ...closely followed the writings of Leon Whitney, president of the American Eugenics Society, and Madison Grant, who extolled the Nordic race and bemoaned its “corruption” by Jews, Negroes, Slavs and others who did not possess blond hair and blue eyes.

    One day in the early 1930s, Whitney visited Grant to show off a letter he had just received from Germany, written by the corporal, now out of prison and rising in the German political scene. Grant could only smile. He pulled out his own letter. It was from the same German, thanking Grant for writing The Passing of the Great Race. The fan letter called Grant’s book “his Bible”.



    I guess maybe the American is anti-Russian because he's just anti- "whoever is over there" and probably does not even know enough about the Russian to actually have a racist hatred in the way we would normally understand that. But he knows how to manipulate Ukranian Zionazism where people really do feel this way. Meanwhile, I am having a hard time seeing how the foreseeable future empowers either the British state or its private dynasties. I can't miss how it has, for several centuries, and maybe this is the "glass ceiling" for it.


    Much like the Ukranians, the Nazis acted out American ideas mostly thanks to American financial investments and industrial supplies. The strange reality is that the Nazi Reich had at least managed to restore the country by violating American financial treaties. Despite the idea of ethnic cleansing, they were in a certain sense improving their land from a condition of ruin, and so were in a certain way successful until Hitler proved to be one of the most autistic if not echolailic military commanders ever. This same strategy has been forwarded to Ukraine.


    And so we are witnessing grand investments in proven losing strategies. Nothing but bad plans everywhere! I just don't understand how in a buzzard's nightmare something like this could have seriously been expected to project NATO hegemony or even line the pockets of one of the Queen's favorite pervs.



    On the side of what Russian can and is doing with evidence, this whole time since the coup has already been under Investigation:

    "Since 2014, according to the events in Donbass and Ukraine, the Investigative Committee has opened more than 500 criminal cases involving 180 individuals," Bastrykin said.


    These are administrators, governors, military, Right Sector, saying that there was this level of criminality being pursued before any action was taken. As far as how much it may blossom as they go, looking around Donbass:


    Bastrykin specified that since February 17, investigators of the Central Office of Russia’s Investigative Committee have initiated more than 80 criminal cases.


    What they cannot do is anything more than what is politely referred to as "demand explanations" along with China. It is the "more to it" of the Limited Hangout committed by The Daily Mail:


    Aside from Hunter Biden, the Russian Defence Ministry found the US Agency for International Development (USAID), George Soros' Open Society Foundations, and the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention also financed the research, which took place in 31 laboratories across 14 settlements in Ukraine.


    ...one of the companies linked to these laboratories was founded by US President Joe Biden's son Hunter and Christopher Heinz, the stepson of former US Secretary of State John Kerry. According to Russia’s Radiation, Chemical and Biological Defense Troops chief Igor Kirillov, they managed to trace the scheme of interaction between US government bodies and Ukraine's biolabs. The Rosemont Seneca $2.4 billion capital investment fund managed by Hunter Biden was among the companies involved in the financing of these activities.


    So from the view of a Buddhist--Russian alliance since the time of Empress Catherine, we are just still kind of scratching our heads about why no one at least would take the warning. There, you see it. There, it goes. A whole heap of it has got to be violently overthrown these days. As far as we can tell, it cut off a NATO proxy war at the eleventh hour. As to what may satisfy the "demands for explanations", we are looking at one of the worst imaginable types of crimes essentially being charged in a courtroom that has no authority. The group being accused so far has the worst examples of statesmanship ever recorded in all of known history. How it could come up with any kind of acceptable statement is beyond our wildest dreams.

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    Quote Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
    • Is Moscow changing its strategy in Ukraine?
    Russia has not been able to capture any major Ukrainian city. More than a month after it first invaded its neighbour, in the past few days, several western reports have been doing rounds that Russia has changed its strategy in Ukraine.
    The Russian flat out said Phase One of its strategy was completed. Therefore, it would stand to reason it is progressing into Phase 2. I don't trust an iota of western media. Sky News which is based in england is constantly reiterating that the Russian is not doing well. Their experts believe their own narrative as if it were dogma. It is really strange to see the media's belief systems in action, as if they are not only convincing the consumers of media, but that they indeed are convincing themselves.

    One example is the media's obsession with civilian casualties. The numbers are fairly low thus far, but the media hammers the point as if there should be zero casualties, which is nonsense and impossible to achieve.

    Any posts from the mainstream media are certainly subject to a cynical eye.
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    Quote Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
    • Is Moscow changing its strategy in Ukraine?

    Russia has not been able to capture any major Ukrainian city. More than a month after it first invaded its neighbor, in the past few days, several western reports have been doing rounds that Russia has changed its strategy in Ukraine.
    A mainstream clip (even though it's from India) that I suggest can be disregarded. Russia's not trying to "capture any major cities".

    Mariupol isn't a "major city" in Ukraine, but it was a major Russian target. Lack of mention of Mariupol in any news report says everything about the teleprompter text that's being read.

    And many analysts (who are not in the pay of the CIA ) point out that Russia is not being "isolated". Russia has support, in various important forms, from a number of geopolitically significant countries. It may be the US and much of Europe that will end up isolated, certainly economically and in terms of commodity supply.

    Regarding the special military operation, as best I know according to all the reliable information shared here in the last few weeks (which has been VERY high quality, for which I think everyone who's been posting,) things have been going pretty much to plan for the Russian forces, and (compared to other recent conflicts) very quickly too.

    But this post is just a general comment, possibly of interest only to non-member guests who are taking a look at this valuable thread. I'd expect that everything in this post is well-known at this stage by all Avalon members reading this.

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    Quote Posted by Malisa (here)
    Also think about this, where was this posted originally? He would have made an official TV statement of some kind, or post it on the official president's website. Everything Putin signs is recorded on the official logs
    Right, it immediately didn't seem to me like anything Putin would say or write, unless it was a very bad translation. (I was going to ask you to comment, but you beat me to it )


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    I post this barbarity without comment. (None is necessary )

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    Wade Frazier wrote just now on his thread:

    Quote Posted by Wade Frazier (here)
    I want to ignore Ukraine, but Biden’s unhinged comments this weekend are hard to ignore. I just read this article by Glenn Greenwald, on Biden’s comments. Dr. Strangelove is alive and well in the USA.
    Here's the article. Well worth reading, but it's quite long and I'll only copy a brief extract, a few paragraphs that summarize the main point.
    ~~~

    Biden's Reckless Words Underscore the Dangers of the US's Use of Ukraine as a Proxy War

    As grave of a threat as deliberate war is, unintended escalation from miscommunication and misperception can be as bad. Biden is the perfect vessel for such risks.

    Along with its NATO allies, the U.S. has flooded Ukraine with billions of dollars of sophisticated weaponry, with at least some of those arms ending up in the hands of actual neo-Nazi battalions integrated into the Ukrainian government and military. It is providing surveillance technology in the form of drones and its own intelligence to enable Ukrainian targeting of Russian forces. President Biden threatened Russia with a response “in kind” if Russia were to use chemical weapons. Meanwhile, reports The New York Times, “C.I.A. officers are helping to ensure that crates of weapons are delivered into the hands of vetted Ukrainian military units."

    The U.S. is, by definition, waging a proxy war against Russia, using Ukrainians as their instrument, with the goal of not ending the war but prolonging it. So obvious is this fact about U.S. objectives that even The New York Times last Sunday explicitly reported that the the Biden administration “seeks to help Ukraine lock Russia in a quagmire” (albeit with care not to escalate into a nuclear exchange).

    Indeed, even “some American officials assert that as a matter of international law, the provision of weaponry and intelligence to the Ukrainian Army has made the United States a cobelligerent,” though this is “an argument that some legal experts dispute.”

    Surveying all this evidence as well as discussions with his own U.S. and British sources, Niall Ferguson, writing in Bloomberg, proclaimed: “I conclude that the U.S. intends to keep this war going.” UK officials similarly told him that “the U.K.’s No. 1 option is for the conflict to be extended and thereby bleed Putin.”

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    With regard to the above, I was under the impression that the blue armband signifies Azov or other nationalist battalions, rather than Ukranian Armed Forces....would this be correct?

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    With regard to the above, I was under the impression that the blue armband signifies Azov or other nationalist battalions, rather than Ukrainian Armed Forces....would this be correct?
    This report might be helpful — but maybe Malisa can confirm?
    Exclusive: Change of colours in Ukraine camp to foil infiltration by Russia's saboteurs
    Ukrainian soldiers and citizen volunteers have switched from their distinct yellow armbands to blue to prevent Russians from infiltrating their camps.
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    This livestream from The Duran is still continuing (two and a half hours and counting), but I post it here because after 5 minutes Alexander Mercouris (who's in the UK, has his own quirky style that not all might appreciate, but knows a LOT about global finance and European history) compares what's happening in Eastern Ukraine to the First World War Battle of the Somme.




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    The house of a neo-nazi leader discovered in Berdyansk, Ukraine 05:11

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    While advancing through southern Ukraine, RT along with Russian troops found a house of a neo-nazi leader in Berdyansk. As a surprise to no one conducting the denazification campaign in Ukraine, the fascist-inspired symbols are not even covert.

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    The Duran - I searched for a cogent meaning for 'Duran' and there are several options, but this one: a purposeful or industrious undertaking (especially one that requires effort or boldness). Seems the most likely, the two guys are cooperative and very unlikely partners, but it just works! They have been doing an excellent job in my opinion, and gaining greater exposure, good luck to them.

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    ...I guess maybe the American is anti-Russian because he's just anti- "whoever is over there" and probably does not even know enough about the Russian to actually have a racist hatred in the way we would normally understand that. But he knows how to manipulate Ukrainian Zionazism where people really do feel this way. Meanwhile, I am having a hard time seeing how the foreseeable future empowers either the British state or its private dynasties. I can't miss how it has, for several centuries, and maybe this is the "glass ceiling" for it.

    Much like the Ukrainians, the Nazis acted out American ideas mostly thanks to American financial investments and industrial supplies. The strange reality is that the Nazi Reich had at least managed to restore the country by violating American financial treaties. Despite the idea of ethnic cleansing, they were in a certain sense improving their land from a condition of ruin, and so were in a certain way successful until Hitler proved to be one of the most autistic if not echolailic military commanders ever. This same strategy has been forwarded to Ukraine.

    And so we are witnessing grand investments in proven losing strategies. Nothing but bad plans everywhere! I just don't understand how in a buzzard's nightmare something like this could have seriously been expected to project NATO hegemony or even line the pockets of one of the Queen's favorite pervs....

    ....The group being accused so far has the worst examples of statesmanship ever recorded in all of known history. How it could come up with any kind of acceptable statement is beyond our wildest dreams....
    Either we believe that the Peter Principle has reached the very top levels of the power structure, or this incompetence is deliberate. I tend very much towards the latter scenario, I don't believe these people lost their touch, they've simply done what their forbears have done repeatedly in the past. They've prepared the next bolthole, secured their assets, seeded the way and they are going to morph into their next iteration, whilst the ship goes down on their latest empire. 'The West' is being deliberately steered into the sidings, economically, culturally and eventually militarily and the puppet masters will be long gone when the proverbial hits the fan.
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    Quote Posted by Journeyman (here)
    Either we believe that the Peter Principle has reached the very top levels of the power structure, or this incompetence is deliberate.
    A note here for any who might not understand the reference:

    The Peter Principle states that in any organizational hierarchy, people are promoted based on their success in previous posts — until they reach a level at which they're no longer competent.

    Then they just remain there, now incompetent in their most recent job. So the Peter Principle predicts that any hierarchy gradually gets filled down from the top with incompetent people. (And the theory isn't just a joke! )

    But no, in this case the apparent "incompetence" is deliberate. Biden himself may be incompetent (a perfect case study of the Principle!), but his controllers are psychopathic and are hell-bent on provoking a larger war. It's either all about the Great Reset, or about emasculating Russia (or both). But as I and many others have posted earlier, this is going to backfire significantly with the following results:
    • The economic sanctions on Russia and now China will greatly impoverish the US and most of Europe. Both food and fuel will be in short supply and will be much more expensive.
    • Russia is already forming strong economic (and military) alliances with China, India, and probably many other nations such as Iran, Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, and Brazil. That's between a third and half the world in terms of population, manufacturing capacity, and land area/natural resources.
    • So the globalist project of the "New World Order" (a one-world government) is being seriously damaged. (See General Mike Flynn's recent statements about this here, reported on Infowars: Putin Is Derailing The New World Order)
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    This livestream from The Duran is still continuing (two and a half hours and counting), but I post it here because after 5 minutes Alexander Mercouris (who's in the UK, has his own quirky style that not all might appreciate, but knows a LOT about global finance and European history) compares what's happening in Eastern Ukraine to the First World War Battle of the Somme.



    Gonzalo Lira joins the livestream at 2:17:35.

    He reports in real time that the situation in Kharkov is deteriorating, that maybe only 15% of the population is still there, and the local forces ("paramilitary thugs") are now more desperate and are panicking — with a consequent increase in brutality. "Things are spiraling out of control", he says.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Journeyman (here)
    Either we believe that the Peter Principle has reached the very top levels of the power structure, or this incompetence is deliberate.
    A note here for any who might not understand the reference:

    The Peter Principle states that in any organizational hierarchy, people are promoted based on their success in previous posts — until they reach a level at which they're no longer competent.

    Then they just remain there, now incompetent in their most recent job. So the Peter Principle predicts that any hierarchy gradually gets filled down from the top with incompetent people. (And the theory isn't just a joke! )

    But no, in this case the apparent "incompetence" is deliberate. Biden himself may be incompetent (a perfect case study of the Principle!), but his controllers are psychopathic and are hell-bent on provoking a larger war. It's either all about the Great Reset, or about emasculating Russia (or both). But as I and many others have posted earlier, this is going to backfire significantly with the following results:
    • The economic sanctions on Russia and now China will greatly impoverish the US and most of Europe. Both food and fuel will be in short supply and will be much more expensive.
    • Russia is already forming strong economic (and military) alliances with China, India, and probably many other nations such as Iran, Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, and Brazil. That's between a third and half the world in terms of population, manufacturing capacity, and land area/natural resources.
    • So the globalist project of the "New World Order" (a one-world government) is being seriously damaged. (See General Mike Flynn's recent statements about this here, reported on Infowars: Putin Is Derailing The New World Order)
    This is all driven by intentional, deliberate acts of destruction for the purpose of re-configuration of the global economic, political, military and cultural systems. "Remoulding [the World] nearer to the hearts['] desire." Much of the incompetence is a collateral and a natural, but perhaps unintended, consequence of the purposeful program and agenda of death and destruction.

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    This very touching little poem was posted as a comment on The Saker. It can be translated here. Malisa will understand.



    ~~~

    Двадцать четвертого февраля,
    Ровно в четыре часа,
    Киев бомбили, нам объявили,
    Что началася война.

    Кончилось мирное время,
    Нам распрощаться пора,
    Я уезжаю, быть обещаю
    Верным тебе навсегда.

    И ты смотри,
    Чувством моим не шути,
    Выйди, подруга, к поезду друга,
    Друга на фронт проводи.

    Дрогнет состав эшелона,
    Поезд помчится стрелой,
    Я из вагона — ты мне с перрона
    Грустно помашешь рукой.

    Пройдут года,
    И снова я встречу тебя,
    Ты улыбнёшься,
    К сердцу прижмёшься,
    Я расцелую тебя.

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    And while on the subject of the Russian language, and touching emotional scenes, this video is actually very lovely to see. (No translation is necessary here. )


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