WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

[Ravenlocke]

From Moon Of Alabama,

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/0...scalation.html

June 17, 2022
Ukraine - The U.S. Is Moving Towards Escalation

The catastrophic economic consequences of the 'western' proxy war with Russia are setting in. As a result the high inflation, caused by supply side constrains due to sanctions and a far too much spending, will ruin the middle classes of many countries.

To those who did not wear blinders and who knew of the real economies of the 'west' and Russia this was very predictable and predicted:

The U.S. is pushing its European 'allies' to commit economic suicide by sanctioning everything Russia. The U.S. should be more careful. It is one of the biggest buyers of Russian oil and its aircraft industry depends on titanium from Russia. Russia surely knows who is trying to hurt it the most and it surely knows how, and has the means to, hurt back.
The hurt has not at all reached its peak. This winter will be very difficult for Europe. Poor countries are even worse off. Many will experience hunger crises and riots.

Today the Russian president Vladimir Putin held a speech at the Petersburg economic forum. The transcript isn't out yet but here are excerpts from a Twitter thread:

The Eurasianist @Russ_Warrior - 12:58 UTC · Jun 17, 2022
⚡President Putin at #SPIEF2022: "The United States, having declared victory in the Cold War, declared themselves the messengers of God on earth, who have no obligations, but only interests. They seem not to notice that new powerful centers have formed on the planet"

Putin at #SPIEF2022: "The changes in the world are fundamental, pivotal and inexorable. And it is a mistake to believe that you can sit out at the time of rapid changes, wait out that supposedly everything will return to normal, everything will be as before. It won't!"
"There will be a deep degradation in Europe, current elites are going to be replaced" — President Putin at #SPIEF2022 "Their wrong policies will lead to an increase in nationalist and extremist sentiments in European society."
"The world was systematically driven into a huge global crisis by the countries of the so-called "G7" — President Putin at #SPIEF2022.
"The EU has totally lost its political sovereignty, its elites are dancing to someone else's tune, causing harm to their own population"
❗"Hunger in the poorest countries will be on the conscience of the West and the so-called European democracies" - President Putin at #SPIEF2022
"This problem has not arisen today, not in the last 3-4 months, and it is not #Russia's fault. We would be pleased to be so omnipotent. The situation has been getting worse for years, due to activities of those who planned to break trade flows," President Putin stressed
❗"Everyone who wants to continue to work/cooperate with Russia is being threatened by the United States" - President #Putin "However, this shows if real leaders are at the helm of a country or not", the president stressed.
"Russia is entering the coming era as a powerful sovereign country and only strong sovereign states can have their say in the emerging world order, or are doomed to remain or become a colony," President Putin concluded his speech at #SPIEF2022
Every word of that is true. Maybe Putin reads Moon of Alabama as I have made many of those points again and again.

It will not only be the current elite of Europe that will be replaced. The U.S. will see similar changes. Biden and the Democrats are toast:

The survey of 1,541 U.S. adults, which was conducted from June 10-13, found that if another presidential election were held today, more registered voters say they would cast ballots for Donald Trump (44%) than for Biden (42%) ...
Since Biden took office, no previous Yahoo News/YouGov poll has shown him trailing Trump (though Biden’s most recent leads have been within the margin of error, like this one is for Trump). One year ago, Biden led Trump by 9 percentage points. In 2020, Biden won the White House by more than 7 million votes.

Yet Biden’s job approval rating has been atrophying for much of the last year, and the new survey shows that it has never been weaker. A full 56% of Americans now disapprove of the president’s performance — the highest share to date — while just 39% approve. Three weeks ago, those numbers were 53% and 42%, respectively.

On average, Biden’s job approval scores are now a few points worse than Trump’s were at the parallel stage of his presidency.

Among all Americans, Trump (43%) now has a higher personal favorability rating than Biden (40%) as well. Meanwhile, nearly two-thirds of independents (64%) have an unfavorable opinion of Biden, and just 28% say they would vote for him over Trump.

At Asia Times David Goldman sees signs of Biden changing course on Ukraine:

A compromise in Ukraine with significant territorial concessions to Russia – the only conceivable way to end the war – would humiliate Washington.
A negotiated solution to the Ukraine war, though, is not impossible. Washington could continue to portray itself as the defender of Ukraine’s sovereignty while encouraging European leaders to do the dirty work and force Ukraine into negotiations with Moscow.

A possible hint in this direction came on June 14 from the US Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Colin H. Kahl, who declared: “We’re not going to tell the Ukrainians how to negotiate, what to negotiate and when to negotiate. They’re going to set those terms for themselves.”
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The United States won’t tell Ukraine what to do, Undersecretary Kahl declared. But that doesn’t prevent other governments from making Zelensky an offer he can’t refuse. Zelensky adviser Oleksiy Arestovych told Germany’s Bild-Zeitung on June 16 that German Chancellor Scholz, French President Macron and Italian President Draghi might deliver such a demand to Zelensky during their current visit to Kyiv.

I hope that they did so. But today, without any announcement, the British prime minister Boris Johnson, undoubtedly on order of Biden, appeared in Kiev to lobby for more war just like he did at the end of March when he told Ukraine's president Zelensky to ditch the negotiations with Russia.

That is why I fear that Michael Brenner is right and that Biden will escalate the war by attacking somewhere else:

Necessity is the mother of invention — or so it is said. However, grasping what is “necessary” can be a very slippery business. An actual recasting of how one views a problematic situation normally is a last resort. Experience and history tell us that, as do behavioral experiments.
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So, you are stuck with the albatross of a truncated, bankrupt Ukraine hung around your neck. There is nothing that you can do to cancel these givens — except a direct, perhaps suicidal test of force with Russia. Or, perhaps, a retaliatory challenge elsewhere. The latter is not readily available — for geographic reasons and because the West already has expended its arsenal of economic and political weaponry.
Over the past year, the U.S. attempted to foment Maiden style regime changes in Belarus and Kazakhstan. Both were foiled. The latter was with the connivance of Turkey, which deployed a contingent of bashi bazouks from the stock of Syrian jihadis it keeps on call in Idlib (to be deployed as President Recep Erdogan did more successfully in Libya and Azerbaijan).

There remains one conceivable sensitive target: Syria. There, the Israelis have become increasingly audacious in goading the Russians by airstrikes against Syrian infrastructure as well as military facilities.

Now, we see signs that Moscow’s tolerance is wearing thin, suggesting that further provocations could spark retaliation which Washington then could exploit to ratchet up tensions. To what avail? Not obvious — unless the ultras in the Biden administration are looking for the kind of direct confrontation that they’ve avoided in Ukraine, until now.

The implication is that the denial option and the incremental adjustment option are foreclosed. Serious rethinking is in order — logically speaking.

The most worrisome scenario sees the frustration and anger and anxiety building in Washington to the point where it encourages a reckless impulse to demonstrate American prowess. That could take the form of an attack on Iran in the company of Israel and Saudi Arabia — the region’s new odd couple.

Another, even grimmer prospect would be a contrived test of wills with China. Already we see growing evidence of that in the bellicose rhetoric of American leaders from U.S. President Joe Biden on down.

The Pentagon is not ready for a war on China. Iran is too strong and would respond to an attack by launching its huge missile arsenal on Israel and U.S. allies in the Gulf. This leaves Syria. It is unlikely by chance that the Wall Street Journal reported yesterday that the U.S. is coordinating Israeli airstrikes in that country:

WASHINGTON—Israel secretly coordinates with the U.S. on many of the airstrikes it carries out in Syria as the allies face a battlefield crowded with militant groups, Iranian-backed militias and foreign militaries, according to current and former U.S. officials.
I expect those airstrikes, like last week's attack on the airport of Damascus, to intensify with the hope to divert Russian attention from Ukraine.

Russia is of course 100% prepared for that but U.S. miscalculations that led to this are many and I do not expect that tendency to change anytime soon.

In his latest talk about The causes and consequences of the Ukraine war (vid) John Mearsheimer also speaks of why he thinks that an escalation is likely, and what the potential results might be. Without the Q&A it is only one hour long and well worth your time.

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/spriteer_774400/...42019187167233

https://twitter.com/CzechPremysl/sta...39718162522113

[Kryztian]

From: "Turkey Rains on NATO’s Parade" by Scott Ritter
June 14, 2022

The article begins discussing how Finland and Sweden, long considered neutral countries, are "happily" joining NATO, however, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogon has a plan to upset the whole process. From: https://libya360.wordpress.com/2022/...-natos-parade/

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Enter Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who decided he would crash Stoltenberg’s scripted moment. Not all NATO members were in accordance with the bid by Finland and Sweden to join the alliance. Since NATO is a consensus-driven organization, all it takes to ruin this made-for-TV moment was one disaffected member. That member was Turkey.

“As all NATO allies accept Turkey’s critical importance to the alliance,” Erdogan wrote in a guest essay he penned for The Economist on May 30,

“it is unfortunate that some members fail fully to appreciate certain threats to our country. Turkey maintains that the admission of Sweden and Finland entails risks forits own security and the organization’s future. We have every right to expect those countries, which will expect NATO’s second-largest army to come to their defense under Article 5, to prevent the recruitment, fundraising and propaganda activities of the PKK [the Kurdish People’s Party], which the European Union and America consider a terrorist entity.”

Erdogan called for the extradition from Sweden of “members of terrorist organizations” as a pre-condition for Turkey considering its application for NATO membership. Erdogan also demanded that both Sweden and Finland end their respective arms embargoes against Turkey, imposed in 2019 in response to Turkey’s incursion into northern Syria that targeted Kurdish groups affiliated with the PKK.

“Turkey stresses that all forms of arms embargoes — such as the one Sweden has imposed on my country — are incompatible with the spirit of military partnership under the NATO umbrella. Such restrictions not only undermine our national security but also damage NATO’s own identity.”

As things stand, neither Finland nor Sweden appears prepared to accede to Erdogan’s demands. Despite high-level meetings between delegations from both Finland and Sweden with Turkish officials, no headway appears to have been made.

According to Fahrettin Altun, an adviser to Erdogan, neither Finland nor Sweden have put anything discernable on the table. Turkey, Altun told a Swedish newspaper, needs more than just words. “It is not right that Finland and Sweden waste NATO’s time at this critical moment,” Altun declared.

Complicating matters further is the fact that Turkey appears to be on the cusp of launching a major military operation into northern Syria specifically targeting the very Kurdish group — the People’s Protection Units, or YPG — that Erdogan accuses both Finland and Sweden of supporting.

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Full article at : https://libya360.wordpress.com/2022/...-natos-parade/

[shaberon]

While we just...don't go into the details...of something that has seen hundreds KIA every day, since, April? Pretty sure we posted that well over a month ago. Somebody flipped a switch and we saw "a few" anti-personnel attacks turn into hundreds on a daily basis. We understand human liquidation, right...I mean most of the confessions are aware about this, aren't they? Doesn't seem like a big secret that lives are tossed in the trash as a course of business.


Chances are, that if you can read this, your government only wants you for your money. It hates you.


Exactly how long anyone can cover their eyes in the wake of its desires being gone:



ST. PETERSBURG, June 17. /TASS/. Taking the podium at the plenary session of the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum (SPIEF) on Friday, Russian President Vladimir Putin said the era of a unipolar world order has come to an end despite attempts to preserve it at all costs.

"A year and a half ago, when speaking at the Davos Forum, it was stressed again that the era of the unipolar world order was over," the Russian head of state said, noting that now he also would like to begin his address with this, "there is no getting around this."

"[This era] is over despite all the attempts to revive it and hold on to it at any cost. This is a natural process, these changes are a natural course of history because it is difficult to combine the planet’s civilizational diversity, the wealth of cultures with political, economic and other models. These models don’t work here, the models that bluntly, without any alternatives, are being imposed upon from one center," the Russian leader added.



So, you can rewind a couple of years, pretend you didn't create a G8 by exclusion, and so on, whatever.

The inability of our public speakers to catch up here, is embarrassing.



It is a bit ironic that "The NWO" already has not been, for a period of time, yet there are those who would assure us this must be a mistake. Whatever.

This is what is happening in the direction of your deported non-elite Ukrainians, back in the never-ending Heart of Darkness:


DR Congo Says Rwanda ‘Will Have a War’ If It Wants One, Severs All Bilateral Agreements



They are also wanting to deploy an east African corps in venture with something I was not aware anyone was paying for:


...in close coordination with MONUSCO, the 14,000-strong United Nations peacekeeping force in the eastern Congo.


That's Brussels's previous work, isn't it?


Thanks for all the social engineering so that places like Ukraine and Congo now have much more advanced weaponry compared to what was going on 400 years ago.


Now there are a few places who really are contenders of grand conflicts that are all about that same age. Where they stand is:


Indonesia -- who knows

Congo -- nothing new

Ukraine -- possibly something done about it by Russia

Ireland -- resolved by bombing banks in The City


Anyone can review those from the 1600s on up, and try to tell me it is not social engineering and capitalists wars and insurgencies. It would be very shocking if anything else was the case.

I still have not heard of high level suicides, but, I bet someone with "acumen" might be able to find a legitimate statistic showing "rats abandoning the ship" of American investors/investment or something similar in other countries. What about businesses that are themselves impacted by anti-Russia sanctions? I don't remember anything about that being important.


Bye-bye, eastern front, or whatever exactly it is called. Soon you will just be a few pockets of resistance. I would say it is not a particularly good idea, but, no one has been consulting me on any of this. It is, as far as I know, a bad idea that makes a lot of statistics.

[Bill Ryan]

Very interesting mercenary statistics, reported by the Russian Foreign Ministry. They state that they track every mercenary that enters Ukraine.

The numbers apparently include not only fighters, but also those in the country to train Ukrainian fighters, or to assist in repairing equipment.

Total: 6,956. 1,956 died, 1,779 left Ukraine.

1. Poland: 1,831. 378 died, 272 left Ukraine.
2. Canada: 601. 162 died, 169 left Ukraine.
3. US: 530. 214 died, 227 left Ukraine.
4. Romania: 504. 102 died, 98 left Ukraine.
5. UK: 422. 101 died, 95 left Ukraine.
6. Georgia: 355. 120 died, 90 left Ukraine.

It wasn't stated how many mercenaries have been captured, some of whom (presumably) are now facing execution.

I ran the math. What was interesting there is the numbers of mercenaries from the US who were killed (40%) or left Ukraine (43%). There's barely any of them left: just 90 of them, a mere 17%.

In contrast, the Poles appear to be the most determined to stay and fight (only 15% left), while only 21% of them have been killed.

Of the total, just over half (54%) are no longer active (i.e. killed or left).

My source for the numbers: this new video by Alex Christoforou. The original announcement should be quite easy to find.

[Michi]

The German Chancellor Olaf Scholz appears to be justifying non-fulfilled promised weapon delivery to the Ukraine but he lacks "having the balls" to put an end to it.
https://www.politico.eu/article/scho...ne-talk-putin/

Interestingly multiple open letters adressed to Olaf, urging him to cease weapon delivery.
https://www.euractiv.com/section/pol...rt-to-ukraine/

Fun fact: German public busses wear a banner (when idle) saying "Stop the war".


Duh! How do you stop a war by feeding ammunition?!

[Mashika]

See this? I'm not the only one seeing this behavior and poor performance. And this is why i don't understand how Scott Ritter came up with the idea that Ukraine has the strongest and most professional army in Europe, and that it could easily take out a country like Germany. Just, how?

https://t.me/ZradaXXII/5938


It makes me thing that Scott Ritter, for all he has going, is looking at this from some kind of exceptionalism bubble that hides the reality of the 'on the ground' situation from him. Is he looking at stats and reports + performance reviews of limited groups that are nowhere near the war zone, maybe?

No joke, but just a few days ago, a Russian recon group met in the field an Ukrainian patrol, they pretended to be Ukrainians disguised as Russian soldiers trying to infiltrate the other side, they talked in Ukrainian to the ukros and finally they continued walking as if nothing was wrong, no one shot at them. Either the ukros did not realize they were had, or they decided to simply pretend they fell for it and avoid the fight

In both cases, they clearly were not in any way capable of being pros, so they were lost later once the recon group went back and reported their location, they were shelled out of this planet soon after

So I don't get it, honestly. All i see all over the place is lack of training, poor performance, lack of experience and plenty more bad stuff going on. And more people are constantly coming up with reports of the exact same thing

[Mashika]

Domo arigato, Mr. UkroNATO

https://t.me/asbmil/2228


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Those can be hacked, then taken over and then will be landed on Russian territory, at which point they will be reversed engineered, then whatever advanced tech they had is obsolete in a direct war with Russia
https://t.me/asbmil/2253



The above is also true for most other tech the US has right now, if delivered to Ukraine, it will most likely fall into Russian engineers hands at some point

The US would not be able to replace/update the tech so fast as to not fall behind even more in terms of advanced tech on the battle field, so they have to think carefully what and until when they can support Ukraine before they start giving away the most precious stuff they have, and truly/hard think about if they can do that and risk it all for nothing

[Mike Gorman]

Posted by Michi (here)
The German Chancellor Olaf Scholz appears to be justifying non-fulfilled promised weapon delivery to the Ukraine but he lacks "having the balls" to put an end to it.
https://www.politico.eu/article/scho...ne-talk-putin/

Interestingly multiple open letters adressed to Olaf, urging him to cease weapon delivery.
https://www.euractiv.com/section/pol...rt-to-ukraine/

Fun fact: German public busses wear a banner (when idle) saying "Stop the war".


Duh! How do you stop a war by feeding ammunition?!

You have isolated the key point here, if you will forgive my tone, there is such blatant hypocrisy from the western players, we really have abandoned any valid claims to the moral high ground: billions being poured into 'The War', it really is Orwellian in the truest sense. There is very little good will to stop the war, they seem intent on bringing it to the maximum conclusion: suicidal, intentional destruction for the elite to take shelter underground while the surface is 'cleaned' of the useless eaters? Whichever way you look, there is a pathological element which is not healthy at all at work here. (I know I am stating the obvious, forgive me)

[shaberon]

I guess this is a sign that the UK government hates you if you live there, since the PM skipped a Tory gathering, apparently alienating:



The “red wall” (also known as Labour's heartlands) is a term used to describe constituencies in England and Wales - mainly in the Midlands, Northern England and North-East Wales - which historically tended to support the Labour Party, which is denoted by the colour red.



in order to visit Kiev:

In response, Downing Street said Johnson met with Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky in Kiev to offer a major training programme for Ukrainian forces "to help sustain their heroic defence".


I don't live there, and, it sounds like they hate me, and, it looks like plans in action to get as many Ukrainians killed as possible.

If the UK government is not considered an "existential threat", I'm not sure what is.

[Mashika]

https://t.me/ZradaXXII/5957

[Mashika]

Are all politicians in the US 10 year old kids? I'm starting to believe that joke about the 3 kids stacked over each other in a trench coat is very much reality right now

"I fell from my bike, as a lot of people do at some point", but let me show you that i'm still good enough to be the 'Leader of the free world" by acting like a 10 year old that has to prove he still has it somehow

Jebus...

https://t.me/sputniknewsus/15545

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=fm2BCEpw7GE

Why is this so embarrassing? It's like watching a comedy show by now. Everything has to be a show of keeping face, everything has to be "i'm very cool" and acted and fake, but it's all about how people see you and not what you do, and the idiotic crowd yelling makes it even worse

It's the "Applause" sign behind the cameras on Tv shows so the people act their part (seals clapping in the aquarium)

[Ewan]

Alina Lipp, interviewed by Serbian colleague Miodrag Zarkovic.



Part 2

[Mashika]

Fake soldiers fighting fake wars come to Donbass, then they think they will be 'glorious', then they find out how true war is like and they go back home because "there were not enough support or this or that"

Grown up kids are still kids, just older in looks. This is not the movie you were thinking about, moron. You don't have a clue what you will face around here, but you will learn soon enough, just like the others. Dumb dumb

https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/11416


Stay at home, innocent 30 year old kids.

This is not the war you think you are going to

[Mashika]

Another instance of mediocrity, lack of careness, lack of professionalism

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A pair of Su-25 attack aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force attacked the positions of their units near the village of Shirokoe, Dnepropetrovsk region.

https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/11419

[Mashika]

For future 'i'll be a hero' western soldiers, understand this, you come to Donbass to die, no one will remember you, if ever you will be a small quote somewhere on a random 'no-one-reads' website and forgotten by all but your most direct family

Stop being stupid, this is not the war on Iraq or related places, this is a real war against a very real army. Here you will die the most horrible death and you will be sent home like a roasted chicken, if you are found at all in the first place. This is a real war, and you will die, because you are not prepared for it, you are not ready for it, you are a dumb kid who has never seen pain the way we see it, and who does not understand how things truly are in this world because you were sheltered away from them in your entire life!

This is not a game, or a time to be a hero just because everyone else is saying 'we should go there'. Stop being an idiot, remain at home and make your country a better place, keep safe and stop the madness!

You don't have an idea how far behind you are in this 'war' game. No you are not strong, you think you are, but you are not, you are a unable to understand the pain and suffering that goes on here, you are thinking you can overcome everything because you are 'different' but you aren't. Stop being an idiot, your parents will miss you, your friends will do, your sister or brother will do too, and you will be gone because you are a fool thinking you are indestructible because you are 'exceptional', you are not, you dumb dumb. You are not, stay home fool, you don't belong here, you are not prepared for this

Stop trusting idiots, stay home Don't you see reality? Looook, there is nothing glorious or heroic about this, it's plain stupidity.

Already understand that you are not prepared, even if you are top of the line in your team. You were trained to be fighting somewhere else, in the middle east, not against a real modern army.

Think fast and think smart, survive and lead your family and country into a better future, stop being an idiot already. There is no glory in this, only stupidity.

This is not your war

https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/11392


I'm sorry for this, but guys reading need to get it already, this is not what they think it is, they are being lied, this is a run for death only, they have no idea and they need to get it once and for all

[pounamuknight]

The empire flexes

Double tap in the imperial nuts & bolts

[ExomatrixTV]

• European Politician Drops Truth Bombs About Ukraine War

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=xBdhW4nrNAI

Clare Daly, from Dublin, Ireland, is frequently a lone voice of conscience in the European Parliament, excoriating her neoliberal colleagues to pursue diplomacy over war and to consider the impact decisions they make have on everyday people in Europe and across the globe. In her latest philippic, Daly demanded that the Parliament consider following up on overtures by Italian, German and French leaders in aggressively pursuing peace in Ukraine as the threat of a global food shortage looms. Jimmy and American comedian Kurt Metzger discuss the inevitable conclusion to the Ukraine War and just how much global damage will ensue before the violence ends.

[Mashika]

No really! Another day another Moron

What's the name of the good lost soldier? Nobody cares to know or say. Not even the guy that "lost a good man". Morons

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/6130

[Mashika]

"Codename Spartacus" joined in 2014

"Codename" lol, and now they call it "Call sign" or similar, why do i feel so old? lmao! Oh the old names

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/6134


Did i became ancient history? oh noooooo lmfao!

Anyway, this is me, I'm Volunteer Nashi Captain Mariya Alisa, code name "Mashika"

Code name... oh!...