WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/ChannelOne_eng/s...83077757345792

https://twitter.com/ChannelOne_eng/s...30162954964992

https://twitter.com/ChannelOne_eng/s...30427363938304

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/TobiAyodele/stat...57051224784898

https://twitter.com/TobiAyodele/stat...57055570198529

https://twitter.com/TobiAyodele/stat...57066940956673

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/stat...58964435697671

https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/stat...58970504859648

https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/stat...25444757704707

https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/stat...25449837006848

[Ravenlocke]

June 18-19 Rybar update in English

https://twitter.com/Levi_godman/stat...65830863622144

https://twitter.com/Levi_godman/stat...36314698698758

[Bill Ryan]

This was reported on a Russian website 2 days ago. If true, this is sure to go well.

• https://en.topwar.ru/197931-vlasti-p...-vozrasta.html

Polish authorities, upon request from Kyiv, decide to deport Ukrainian men of “mobilization” age

From June 27, 2022, Poland will start searching for and deporting male citizens of Ukraine aged 18 to 60. This is reported immediately by a number of Ukrainian resources. In principle, given the growing involvement of Warsaw in the events in Ukraine, such actions look quite natural.

It all started with the fact that the Polish authorities received a corresponding letter signed by the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine Dmitry Kuleba. The head of Ukrainian diplomacy asked Warsaw to identify and deport to Ukraine all Ukrainian male refugees in the "mobilization" age. There are hundreds of thousands of them on the territory of Poland, and other European countries.

Videos of the so-called ugly behavior appear regularly on social networks. "refugees" who swear and fight with local residents in various European countries. We see, for example, fiery "patriots" of Ukraine - physically strong young men who for some reason chose not to serve in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but to attack Austrian taxi drivers. And this is just a single case, chosen as an example, but in fact there are many more.

The Polish authorities decided to meet Kyiv halfway and demanded that potential recruits of the Armed Forces of Ukraine aged 18-60 either return to Ukraine or leave Poland for other countries. Otherwise, they will be deported by the Polish police. Of course, those who have the opportunity will choose the second option, so we should expect Kuleba to contact the authorities of the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Germany, Austria and other states of Eastern and Central Europe soon.

But the very fact of such a development of events suggests that Ukraine is not doing as well as the Ukrainian authorities and Western media are trying to show. There is clearly a shortage of combat-ready human resources. Apparently, it is so great that Kyiv needs even those Ukrainian citizens who were clearly not going to participate in hostilities and preferred to leave the country.

It is also interesting how the search and deportation of Ukrainian deviators fit into the pseudo-humanistic rhetoric of the European Union, as well as all kinds of liberal-pacifist public. If a person is against the “war”, he left Ukraine, but he is caught in Poland and sent to serve in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, then how does this fit in with the situation with other refugees? After all, they don’t catch “conscripts” from Eritrea, Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan and other African and Asian states in European countries? It seems that only in relation to Ukraine the standards of maximum involvement of European governments work.

On the other hand, those “ardent patriots” of Ukraine who in European countries damage cars with Russian numbers, attack drivers, make scandals in Russian cuisine cafes and bully local residents in every possible way, would do well to show their prowess in a combat situation. Perhaps, after the decision of the Polish government, the agility of such persons will decrease: they will not want to detect themselves and fall into the field of view of the local police, so they will stop going to all sorts of pro-Ukrainian actions and generally actively declare themselves.

[Ravenlocke]

Probably because of this?????

https://twitter.com/Obserwujacy/stat...92761225428998

[Mashika]

Posted by Journeyman (here)

Posted by Mashika (here)
Morons lmfao

Money.. Wake up, morons..

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Posted by Journeyman (here)

Posted by Mashika (here)

Posted by Journeyman (here)

Posted by Mashika (here)
No really! Another day another Moron

What's the name of the good lost soldier? Nobody cares to know or say. Not even the guy that "lost a good man". Morons

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/6130

Obviously the first casualty of war is truth and we're surrounded by propaganda at the moment as we saw with the reporting around the Snake island battle or the actions of Lyudmilla Denisova but it clearly goes both ways. Read this 'quote'

"lost a lot of good men last week. I need to get out of here as soon as possible," he writes.

Then look at the original screenshot...

Completely turned the meaning on its head! How many will just read this persons spin on this rather than the original tweet? How many other times have they twisted words to fit their objective?

Ask your government, they are so good at it they must have an explanation for you, other than the reality you can see in a 100 videos they block around your media day by day

You think the UK government is running that telegram channel as some kind of controlled opposition?

Whatever i think, and whatever you and all the other idiot retarded people out there think, has nothing to do with reality and what is happening around these places.

We.Don't.Care.... Wake.Up.

I think you've misinterpreted my initial post highlighting the deception within the source you quoted as a personal attack and this misunderstanding has influenced your subsequent replies.

I've highlighted it not to score points, or to attack you for posting it, but to flag it up to fellow members here so that they're not deceived and also to illustrate what I believe to be an important point. That the reporting of this war has attracted some very dubious and dishonest characters on all sides of the conflict and that we, as readers, have to carefully assess the sources we're using and call them out where justified, regardless of whether their views coincide with our own.

Why not take a step back, look again at my initial post and the post it refers to and ask yourself how you would feel if someone took a quote from you and reversed the meaning, putting words in your mouth that you never said. You've written about your own experiences in a military role I think? If you had written that you were anxious to get back to join your comrades and someone had taken those words and instead said you were desperate to get out of there and abandon them how would you feel about it? Would that be the action of an honest, trustworthy reporter? Or is it a callow, low trick worthy of the propagandist? Should we overlook such behaviour when it suits us to, or should we try to set a basic standard of honesty and integrity and demand that not only of ourselves, but from those we look to for information?

I expect emotions to be running high at present and don't care what names you throw in my direction, but I do hope you can take a break and a step back, reread my initial post and look again at the source you quoted and the outright dishonest way they've put words in someone else's mouth.

Either way, this will be my last post in this thread.

Yes i did misunderstood you, i'm terrible sometimes like that and i'm very sorry for it, please forgive. There's a lot going on and i don't think i'm on the right mindset at this time to see it all without getting angry or upset

I'm truly sorry that happened

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
this is sure to go well.

And this, too. (Jeez!)

One more thing to needlessly irritate the Russians (and divide the local Ukrainians, too), but it's really a kind of suicide policy from the Nikolayev council. Russia will now be guaranteed to take over the whole place before then.

• https://tass.com/world/1468013

Russian language to be outlawed at Nikolayev schools from September 1

From September 1, there will be no electives, courses, primary school classes instructing in Russian, or design of the educational environment

The Ukrainian city of Nikolayev will ban the Russian language at schools starting on September 1, Yekaterina Stokolyas, a member of the Nikolayev city council’s executive committee, said on Saturday.

"Yesterday, the executive committee voted to ban the use of the Russian language in secondary educational institutions in Nikolayev. From September 1, there will be no electives, courses, primary school classes instructing in Russian, or design of the educational environment," she wrote on Facebook (the Internet platform banned in Russia since it is owned by the Meta Corporation deemed extremist by Russian authorities).

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/spriteer_774400/...65373042696192

https://twitter.com/spriteer_774400/...66316102688769

[Mashika]

Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/stat...47346439573505

https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/stat...51480996020225

[url]https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/status/1538850705552842752

Just think about it for a moment, the Ukrainian government is trying to destroy the very same cultural identity of Ukraine at any chance they have. Those are not Ukrainian people, those are US people

Novhorodske -> New York

It is embarrassing just to think about it lol... "New York" is the new name of the town.. It went from Novgorod to New York.

Why do i feel second hand embarrassment right now?

Let's rename a US city now as well

Washington -> Vashynhton -> Вашингтон

[Mashika]

How much dirt does the Ukrainian gov has on Biden, that he is willing to destroy the entire world to save his family and himself? It is becoming a joke just watching him twist so hard and bend backwards trying to please the Ukrainian masters. There must be way too much going on behind the scenes, imagine that, so how did the Ukrainian government managed to get Biden in such a position as to be the masters of the US? It is becoming now an obvious and public understanding that somehow Ukraine has something giant they are using against the US, and then we see how a puppet works to make the master happy

[shookid]

Posted by Mashika (here)
How much dirt does the Ukrainian gov has on Biden, that he is willing to destroy the entire world to save his family and himself? It is becoming a joke just watching him twist so hard and bend backwards trying to please the Ukrainian masters. There must be way too much going on behind the scenes, imagine that, so how did the Ukrainian government managed to get Biden in such a position as to be the masters of the US? It is becoming now an obvious and public understanding that somehow Ukraine has something giant they are using against the US, and then we see how a puppet works to make the master happy

I agree. I think it is evident that Biden is more concerned about protecting his son and name then us normies. The longer this drags out, the more we hear about Hunter's finances with questionable partners. Buckle up!

[Mashika]

Faina is more aware than most western regular adults, has seen war and has lived through a very hard childhood, and she's just 13 or so right now. And *she was put on the Ukrainian kill list not very long ago*, just imagine that, you are 13 and already on the kill list

No western politician has more experience in war than she does, and yet they 'don't have time' to listen to her. That fact puts the western government true nature in plain view

She gets dismissed because she's a kid, but those persons in the western government do not know that kids started the war against Ukraine in the first place, and what these kids have seen and gone through? Their ignorance of the reality of this world is beyond anything i could have imagined. They are, plainly said, ignorant and stupid

https://www.donbass-insider.com/2022...-not-genocide/

A year ago I asked the UN Security Council and UNICEF to work to stop Ukraine’s killing of children in the Donbass. Then there was a letter to President Zelensky, French President Macron, Pope Francis and Roger Waters. And now to the German chancellor Olaf Scholz. When I tried to reach them as serious politicians and public figures, I wanted only one thing: to be heard. That the killing of civilians in Donetsk and Gorlowka stops. But unfortunately the Chancellor is very busy and President Macron is on holiday. In their place, their assistants and butlers answer me. Maybe I’m doing all this for nothing. I don’t know. But I would like to believe that, apart from the politicians and the media, there are also normal people who don’t want war. Not in Germany, not in Europe. And one day they will surely find out that their governments have been telling them untruths all along. Well, I will keep fighting and writing. Maybe someone will listen to my appeal and save at least one child’s life in the Donbass.

Hello, Mr Scholz!

My name is Faina. I live in Lugansk, write plays and stories and try to fight for peace.

Eight years ago, on 26 May 2014, war broke out in my home country. And on 2 June, a Ukrainian plane bombed my hometown. During all this time, Germany and France acted as guarantors of peace, but could do nothing.

In one of your interviews you said that there was no genocide in the Donbass and that what was happening there was not genocide against the Russian population. Is the killing of children in the last 8 years not genocide? And the banning of the Russian language, the demolition of monuments to Pushkin, Chekhov, Bulgakov? Is that not genocide? Destruction and arrest of people who disagree with the authorities – isn’t that fascism? Isn’t the existence of the Mirotvorets website a violation of human rights?

I am a 13-year-old child and it is very difficult for me to influence the situation, so I have to ask adults for help. Mr Scholz, I would like to ask for your help and say that no weapons should be supplied to Ukraine, because this would only lead to more victims.

We may be considered separatists in Europe, but imagine if tomorrow a region in Europe wanted to talk about autonomy. And imagine instead of negotiating with them, for example, the government of Germany or Britain sends an army against them and starts bombing the capital of that region. Can you imagine something like that in Europe?

I would really like Germany not to get involved in a war, but to help solve the problem peacefully and get the Ukrainian president to come to the negotiating table.

Children cannot tell adults what to do. But they have a right to their view of things. And to ask for help.

Faina Savenkova

I received thee following answer:

Ответ Шолца - Answer of Scholz

Dear Faina,
Thank you for your letter of 27 May 2022 to Chancellor Olaf Scholz. Please understand that it is unfortunately not possible for the Federal Chancellor to reply to you personally. The unusually large number of letters does not allow this. However, you may rest assured that the Chancellor pays great attention to the expressions of opinion and will of the people who address him in this way. All letters are evaluated and incorporated into the formation of political opinion.
I thank you for sending me your personal reflections. They have been noted here.
Yours sincerely
On behalf of
Nadine Wachter

--


She has 'the eyes' of a war zone child, and that's very upsetting to me



I can tell you this, ignorant government fools, you are creating a monster that you will not be able to handle later on, because of your own stupidity. She won't be a kid forever, she will grow up strong and smart, and you won't be able to stop her and others like her. Your demise comes from your own actions and stupidity, we are all the same here, and have the same feelings around this reality that you think 'doesn't exist', fools

And that frustration and your lack of care and will to hurt us is why she's going to probably end up like me at some point in life

[ExomatrixTV]

Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)

• 'The Old World Order Is Over': These Are The Key Points From Putin's Speech:

Western sanctions against Russia have had no effect. The economic blitzkrieg had no chance of success from the start. Russian President Vladimir Putin said this Friday at the International Economic Forum in St. Petersburg in a speech that lasted more than an hour.

Putin called the sanctions "insane" and "ill-considered", and said they hit the EU especially hard. “The sanctions have exacerbated social and economic problems and made food, electricity and fuel more expensive.”

“The European Union has completely relinquished its political sovereignty. Its bureaucratic elites are dancing to someone else's tune and doing whatever they are told, harming their own population and economy," Putin said.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=elt-bfwkWuo

The 'blind belief' in renewable energy sources and the suspension of energy contracts with Russia led to an energy price spike last year. Meanwhile, the United States and the EU have printed trillions of dollars and euros during the corona pandemic, the Russian leader said.

The policies pursued by European and American leaders are exacerbating inequalities and fueling further divisions. This will inevitably lead to a growth of populism and radical movements, major social and economic changes, decline and – in the near future – other elites, the Russian leader said.

• Hampered by the West

Sanctions against Russia lead to increasing food insecurity. If a famine breaks out in the poorest countries "it is the fault of the US government and the European bureaucracy."
Russia stands ready to send food to Africa and the Middle East, where famine is most likely, but is "hampered by the West."

• Old world order gone

Putin reiterated that Russia sent troops to Ukraine in February to protect its citizens and residents of Donbass from genocide by Kiev and neo-Nazis protected by the West.


The president also said that the old world order is over and that Russia is entering a new world order as "a powerful and modern country." The rules of that new world order are set by 'strong and sovereign states'.

• Important reading

What the West Doesn't Realize: Putin is seen as a hero across much of Africa, Latin America and Asia. He is doing what other government leaders do not dare or cannot do: he has taken up battle with the imperialists in Washington, which they have cursed,' responds journalist Eric van de Beek.

“Putin explains that the US New World Order has come to an end. An important lecture, which only ended up in the margins in the western media,” adds journalist Joost Niemoller.
Investigative journalist Patrick Savalle states: “Putin's historic speech. The old world order is over. Western leaders have deceived their peoples. Colonialism has failed.”

• source (Dutch 🇳🇱 + Multi-Language Options). 🦜🦋🌳

• Connecting The Dots: 20th of June 2022

Source: https://www.bitchute.com/video/8PC0nWpZw0Mg

sources:

• weforum.org/agenda/2020/09/emissions-fell-during-lockdown-keep-that-way
• theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/29/could-covid-lockdown-have-helped-save-the-planet
• greatreset.com
• bbc.com/news/world-europe-61838543

[Michel Leclerc]

Posted by Mashika (here)

(...)

The taste of a giant gulp of blood out your mouth as you try to breath while life is being drained out of you, is something i don't wish for anyone at all ever. You have no idea how that feels. So go in peace

And i hope you never, ever get to experience that stupidity.

With due respect Mashika, what is for you the "stupidity” in this context? I infer from your sentence that you have experienced “that”. Is that experience a “stupidity”? But why do you call it that way, then, instead of “a horrible experience", for instance?

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Michel Leclerc (here)

Posted by Mashika (here)

(...)

The taste of a giant gulp of blood out your mouth as you try to breath while life is being drained out of you, is something i don't wish for anyone at all ever. You have no idea how that feels. So go in peace

And i hope you never, ever get to experience that stupidity.

With due respect Mashika, what is for you the "stupidity” in this context? I infer from your sentence that you have experienced “that”. Is that experience a “stupidity”? But why do you call it that way, then, instead of “a horrible experience", for instance?

Forgive me for this (if necessary!), but let me explain what I'm pretty sure she meant.

The meaningless loss of any life is 'stupid'. So, in this current situation, is a meaningless way for a person to die — a Ukrainian soldier, maybe, in the front lines with no food, ammunition or hope, with his dead friends in the ditch with him at his feet, defending a lost cause, who is someone's son, or husband, or father, with all their life in front of them if it were not for the war.

And 'stupid' decisions by our so-called leaders — almost every one of them any or all of ignorant, cowardly, and/or corrupt — that get good, honest people into these terrible, inescapable, life-ending situations.

In those and countless other ways, a huge amount of what we see, hear about and read about in the world out there is 'stupid'. There may be many other words to use, but that may well be one of the most fitting.

The topic of another thread, maybe this one — Why humans are unintelligent: it's all about belief — is why so many apparently intelligent people (good grades, good education, the best law school, etc etc) are systematically wrecking this planet, and the entire human race, right before our eyes.

[Michel Leclerc]

Thank you Bill. One can have many opinions about the relative importance of the causes of what people call "stupid".

I personally think that the root cause is moral depravity, outright evil: doing to others what you forbid anyone to do to yourself. Ignorance is excusable; it is moral depravity that leads people to use intelligence to harm.

Another cause of harm to others and oneself is what is maybe too easily called psychosis, but anyhow: a soul fracture resulting from harm experienced, leading people to do things which the "Father" may maybe "forgive because they do not know what they are doing".

Blanketing all that with the word "stupid" does not help. You can be sure that our enemies call Mashika’s analysis and red-blooded stand "stupid", as they will call your analysis "stupid" – because they know how intelligent they are and smirk at our amateur level chess playing.

If the end game of what we are witnessing leaves all Ukrainians and Donbasians dead, Europe and half of Russia and a few other countries a wasteland, will we then still say that all that happened because our leaders were stupid? Or will we say that half of them were evil and the others psychotic? And maybe, to the extent that we will then have proved that we were unable to fight them when it was possible, will we then call ourselves stupid, or will we rather concede that we are psychotic ourselves and maybe just a little less than half of us, evil?

Maybe you are less witness to that than I am: in the semi-rural, semi-small city world I live in in Southern France, the only judgment I hear my neighbours express about their, and indirectly my, political leaders is that they are "corrupt" and that they are "stupid". That very judgment, that is essentially a suppression of personal responsibility resulting from moral callousness, paralyses us and prevents us from revolutionising the system.

But I meant something else with my question to Mashika. I will take that up with her in a Private Message, as I should maybe have done in the first place. Thank you for implicitly suggesting so.

[Mashika]

Posted by Michel Leclerc (here)
Thank you Bill. One can have many opinions about the relative importance of the causes of what people call "stupid".

I personally think that the root cause is moral depravity, outright evil: doing to others what you forbid anyone to do to yourself. Ignorance is excusable; it is moral depravity that leads people to use intelligence to harm.

Another cause of harm to others and oneself is what is maybe too easily called psychosis, but anyhow: a soul fracture resulting from harm experienced, leading people to do things which the "Father" may maybe "forgive because they do not know what they are doing".

Blanketing all that with the word "stupid" does not help. You can be sure that our enemies call Mashika’s analysis and red-blooded stand "stupid", as they will call your analysis "stupid" – because they know how intelligent they are and smirk at our amateur level chess playing.

If the end game of what we are witnessing leaves all Ukrainians and Donbasians dead, Europe and half of Russia and a few other countries a wasteland, will we then still say that all that happened because our leaders were stupid? Or will we say that half of them were evil and the others psychotic? And maybe, to the extent that we will then have proved that we were unable to fight them when it was possible, will we then call ourselves stupid, or will we rather concede that we are psychotic ourselves and maybe just a little less than half of us, evil?

Maybe you are less witness to that than I am: in the semi-rural, semi-small city world I live in in Southern France, the only judgment I hear my neighbours express about their, and indirectly my, political leaders is that they are "corrupt" and that they are "stupid". That very judgment, that is essentially a suppression of personal responsibility resulting from moral callousness, paralyses us and prevents us from revolutionising the system.

But I meant something else with my question to Mashika. I will take that up with her in a Private Message, as I should maybe have done in the first place. Thank you for implicitly suggesting so.

Mostly everything has a side of stupidity on this reality, even dogs and cats sometime get frustrated by our lack of understanding, while we think we are usually the smarter ones

Imagine a soldier on the field that gets grazed by a bullet on the leg and then finds out that the BTR left without him, then he looks at the road and sees 20 km or so of walking alone in the afternoon, with a bleeding leg and no way out, then he realizes he can't walk over that road because he will be 'handled' by the enemy, so he has to do the run through the fields, and possibly twist an ankle over there since fields are uneven and full of holes and other stuff

That's a stupid situation to be in lol, but it is more stupid that he even managed to land himself into it in the first place. Stupid life choices

Everything in this reality has a side of stupidity to it, you just need to look and you can find it, most people never try to look up for it so they don't see it, but it's there all the time

When a dog poops in front of you and he looks in your direction and into your eyes, the dog is expressing trust and is looking at you as he/she is in a vulnerable situation and you are the only person that dog trusts, so he looks for you to feel safe and protected. But a lot of people think he's looking at you because you are looking at him and he's somehow ashamed you are watching him poop in public. And that's dumb and stupid reasoning of a very unaware person in the end

Stupidity permeates reality in every place, you just have to watch carefully and it's there all the time

So see, everything around the war situation is stupid:

- Stupid choice to join the army
- Stupid president who choses to go to war instead of just letting people be
- Stupid commander who sends you to the field without food or ammo
- Stupid captain who orders the BTR to leave without you
- Stupid choice to leave the food rations on the BTR because you did not want to carry that weight and now you are without food and having to walk 20 kilometers while hoping you can find some water and feeling very tired
- Stupid war is stupid




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Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Michel Leclerc (here)

Posted by Mashika (here)

(...)

The taste of a giant gulp of blood out your mouth as you try to breath while life is being drained out of you, is something i don't wish for anyone at all ever. You have no idea how that feels. So go in peace

And i hope you never, ever get to experience that stupidity.

With due respect Mashika, what is for you the "stupidity” in this context? I infer from your sentence that you have experienced “that”. Is that experience a “stupidity”? But why do you call it that way, then, instead of “a horrible experience", for instance?

Forgive me for this (if necessary!), but let me explain what I'm pretty sure she meant.

The meaningless loss of any life is 'stupid'. So, in this current situation, is a meaningless way for a person to die — a Ukrainian soldier, maybe, in the front lines with no food, ammunition or hope, with his dead friends in the ditch with him at his feet, defending a lost cause, who is someone's son, or husband, or father, with all their life in front of them if it were not for the war.

And 'stupid' decisions by our so-called leaders — almost every one of them any or all of ignorant, cowardly, and/or corrupt — that get good, honest people into these terrible, inescapable, life-ending situations.

In those and countless other ways, a huge amount of what we see, hear about and read about in the world out there is 'stupid'. There may be many other words to use, but that may well be one of the most fitting.

The topic of another thread, maybe this one — Why humans are unintelligent: it's all about belief — is why so many apparently intelligent people (good grades, good education, the best law school, etc etc) are systematically wrecking this planet, and the entire human race, right before our eyes.

I think this is vey correct, thanks

It's all how i feel about this entire war thing right now

[Mashika]

- That's a nice resume you have, and i can see you graduated from a very good school, but there is a gap in your education, you finished 2 years late, can i ask why?
+ Sure you can! i took some time off in middle school to go to Ukraine and kill some people, after that i continued my normal life and education, as you can see

Stupidity (and laughter) ensues

[Mashika]

I propose Sergey Lavrov as the next president of the United States of America

Or as an alternative, but equally good, Maria Zakharova, she would be a better president than PedoBiden or Killary, for sure

On top of their high education and top level understanding of world affairs, they are actual grown up and fully functional adults

https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/11490