WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

[JackMcThorn]

I think it would be worth pointing out that the ruble is worth 54.4o to 1 amerikan to-day or 57.16 to 1 euro.


https://russische-botschaft.ru/de/20...-june-16-2022/


From the above interview of Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov which is worth a read:

Question: How would you characterise relations with the UK now? Saying they are bad would be putting it mildly.

Sergey Lavrov: I think there is no room for manoeuvre left in the relationship. Boris Johnson and Elizabeth Truss say publicly that they must defeat Russia and bring it to its knees. Come on, do it!

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/ReadovkaWorld/st...14064277098497

https://readovka.world/news/101972

Сriminal case and 3 years of prison to German journalist for Donbass civilians interview

Alina Lipp is a journalist from Germany, the author of the Telegram channel "Neues aus Russland" ("New from Russia"), in which she covers the special operation from the scene, from Donetsk. The information she shares with her subscribers in German and in Russian is significantly different from what is written in foreign media, including German. She transmits first-hand information to her audience - the civilian population in the Donbas has been subjected to genocide by the Ukrainian military for eight years, and the barbaric shelling of residential quarters is not carried out by "Russian aggressors", but by "victims of a treacherous attack" – Ukrainians.

It would seem that the German media has one opinion, but Alina has another, because this is freedom of speech. But democratic and "honoring human rights" Germany turned out to have a different understanding of this freedom. At first, Alina and her father discovered that their bank accounts were blocked, and recently the girl received an official letter from the prosecutor's office notifying that a criminal case had been initiated against her.

- So, Alina, what are the charges that you have been charged with?

- I received a letter from the German Prosecutor's Office. This letter says that a criminal case has been opened against me because I support the Russian special operation. In Germany, a special operation is considered a crime, and a person who supports a crime, according to the law, there is article 140, is given three years in prison for this. Otherwise you have to pay a monetary fine. The letter says that, for example, I say in my Telegram channel that the population of Donbass supports the fact that Russia has launched a special operation. I also said that for several years Ukrainians have been killing civilians in the Donbass, and that this is genocide. And it turns out to be a crime for Germany, so they took 1,600 euro from my bank account and didn't even tell me about it. I only found out a month later why the money was taken from my account.

- Your father's account was also blocked. Has he been harassed in any way for being your father?

- No, they just closed my father's bank account and that's it.

- In a recent interview, you said that there is actually more freedom in Russia than in Germany. Does your case turn out to be a vivid confirmation of that?

- Of course, and this is not the only such case. Unfortunately, this has been happening in Germany for several years now. I have been doing journalism for several years, and, I would say, for five years they have been closing more and more channels - mostly on YouTube, deleting them or deleting videos. Then, about two years ago, they started closing bank accounts for journalists who simply had a different opinion, different from the state one. And it even got to such an extent that our main journalist from alternative media fled with his family to another country, his bank account was closed. He tried to open a new account in all EU countries, but they all refused him. This means that they have such power, a decree "no, we do not open an account for this person all over Europe." Therefore, of course, I said that there is more freedom of speech in Russia than in Germany.

- Did this journalist cover the situation in Ukraine or other issues?

- Various questions. He was just critical, telling things that were uncomfortable for the state. He didn't spread fake information, he had reliable sources, everything was exactly as he said. But this, of course, was simply not convenient for the state. And, of course, when he talked about topics that concerned Russia, it was also uncomfortable for them. Because for about 15 years, I would say, only in a bad way they talked about Russia in Germany, from the word at all.

- That is, the messages about Russia, which were written, let's say, in the wrong key, overlapped?

- Yes, and there is, for example, one person who wrote for Der Spiegel. In 2014, he started writing more neutrally. Not even pro-Russian, but really neutral about these events in Ukraine. And for this, he was fired and forced to sign a contract under which he cannot write for the next five years or even more, and he is paid for it.

- After your story, it is difficult not to recall the numerous cries of our supposedly liberal citizens that there is a totalitarian Mordor in Russia, and in Europe, in the same Germany, there is democracy, freedom of speech, human rights, and legality. They mostly go there or dream of leaving, they believe that they will find their freedom there. What would you say to people with such views?

- Well, look at my case! I've been here in Donbass for six months. I'm just filming what I see. I don't spread fake information, I interview civilians and translate them into German. And they closed my bank account because of this, closed my father's bank account and opened a criminal case? They'll imprison me in Germany for three years. Where is freedom of speech here? No, it's simple.

It should be said that such a "stab in the back" from Germany did not affect Alina's desire to continue to adhere to objectivity and tell what is really happening in the Donbass. She continues to work in Donetsk, which is being shelled daily by the Ukrainian Armed Forces, communicates with local residents actively – the feed of her channel, which has more than 175 thousand subscribers, is regularly updated with new posts, which tells about the situation not only in the frontline zone, but also in Europe in two languages.

If "democratic" Germany wanted in such a way, by opening a criminal case and actually stealing her bank savings, to intimidate the girl and make her silent, then they failed. Alina does not lose her spirit and, without lying, admits that she likes it even more here in the Donbass, even in conditions of constant danger, than in Germany.

[Mashika]

There are no nazis in Ukraine, only kids being brainwashed to act/believe nazi stuff, but they are NOT nazi.. yet

https://t.me/sputniknewsus/15778

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=8SK9r52RNKo

NOTE: Uploaded to my channel since the Telegram source is banned all over the world, for 'a good reason' as you can see on the youtube video. You don't want people to see those things, doyou!?

[Mashika]

Posted by Goba (here)
I am flabbergasted by the number of people who fall for the Russian agitprop. Russia has always used the same names and the same channels to get their word out. They did not become reliable or even truthful overnight only because the US in similar ways has b/s-ed the world.

Or Germany, or the entire western world

What people here who seem to love taking sides for the perceived underdog Russia do not realize is this: NOBODY here wants to live in Russia - at least not as long as it is in its current political state which is VERY close to Germany in the 1930s.

This is lamentable, you have no idea what you say here, and actually there is one thing, nobody in Russia wants weak people to come live around, with all their ridiculous lamentable approaches to life, like safe spaces and a constant cry for attention and special treatment, that's for entitled weak people. So you may have a point there, no one wants to go live in Russia, among all those people who can't handle reality and lie to themselves and live in a bubble outside of the reality of this planet

Russia is not only not winning, it has already lost. It may even keep the Donbass which it has thoroughly ground to rubble - but it will NEVER ever get to the state of limited prosperity it enjoyed pre-war. Not even their most wealthy members.

In fact it will revert to something akin to 1990s industry without the western tech it now cant import.
Of course for those who live outside Moscow it makes little difference because those who die for the motherland are poor and mainly uneducated villagers without many other options to get funds outside the army.

This is projection at its best, wishful thinking and just plain born out of hate, but unlike in the western world in which Russia gets censured and banned, you at least get a voice here. I bet that's 'flabbergasting' lmao, since you don't find the terrible censure monster even if you have already assumed this is a pure Putin bootlicker thread somehow :D

Given the extreme imbalance in weaponry and manpower in favor of Russia one can only ask: how long will the RT believers predict the fall of Ukraine. It should have been evident months ago. Yet in the last 4 weeks the front lines have moved only marginally in Russia's favor.

No one here quotes or references RT, this just shows something bad on your side, you came here with a talking point about Russian propaganda erasing reality and brainwashing people, yet it shows the total opposite of you. But i don't know if you understand how you ended up on the wrong side of that talking point or argument, or how it completely works against you right now

There is an old rule of war some German generals told Hitler before he decided to invade Russia: You can invade with a small number but you can only hold with a vastly superior number of armed forces. Some say it has to be 4:1, some 6:1 - but in any case Russia has none of these numbers.
If the Ukrainians keep fighting there can only be one loser, the one that has lost already - Russia. And if NATO keeps supplying munitions the Ukrainians may even entirely rip apart any conventional power Russia once had. If that happens some elements of the Russian federation may rethink their plans for independence.

This is again just more hate and wishful thinking, are you perhaps born in a family that used to be on the Nazi German side? Only asking, not judging, by the way

In general you did not say anything the mainstream fake media has not said a thousand times

I wonder if your youtube sources are reliable, it would have been great if you had linked to them so we can see them as well. I do know a lot of people that are Russian and post videos on youtube lamenting they can't monetize their channels anymore and complain about the issues using facebook and other sites, it does look like they are not able to discern between they having to live without that money and the lives of people in Donbass. It doesn't really show informed people, more like very entitled idiots. Which in a way may actually show why they are so western-aligned at this point. It's the "me me me me me" effect

- What about me?
+ No, what about me?
- I said it first!
+ I don't care, what about meeeeeee

Sometimes, politicians are so childish, and dumb, and then they have followers. Politicians having followers and fans is one of the major reasons this entire world is a joke

There are no people here quoting RT or being a Putin fan, most of the info posted here comes from people on the ground in Donbass. It's plainly in the open and you can verify for yourself who and what is being posted

But you came and insulted and assumed and then threw out there a lot of stuff that is just plain mainstream media talking points, and you did not reference any sources or proved any of it. If you post your sources about what you said, then it's possible it would be taken more seriously, maybe?

But as said no one seems to be wanting to censure you

Here a good few question you may like to answer, if possible.

1. How do you know what RT says or does, wasn't it banned on your country?
2. Why are you looking at that site at all, if your government told you not to?
3. Do you also go read SputnikNews?
4. Why are you at all reading or watching Russia propaganda, aren't your views all very much set about this entire issue?

ETA: I wish you would not come out like this, with that much hate or Russian-hating side. I don't think you understand what is truly going on out there and that, at least for me, is very saddening, as if you would not 'take sides' based on that kind argument, but more on your own research and validation, then this could be a very different conversation, even if you would still don't believe that there's a lot more going on.

The problem is, if you close yourself to anything that goes against that preset belief, then it follows that you will consider every single thing that doesn't fit as 'Russian propaganda and lies', and then there's no possible way to have an honest/open conversation in which facts, and not feelings, are inspected

There are lots of videos and articles posted here, how about documenting them wrong with actual proof and/or evidence? That would be a game changer for sure! Do you have evidence other than mainstream media and old cultural cold war era misconceptions? I don't know, but i won't hold my breath waiting for it, and if you post stuff please don't rehash already debunked stuff from the Ukrainian side, like the gosht of kiev or similar embarrassing lies.

Very honestly, i think you are going to ignore this petition

And that, is very sad

ETA:

I suppose that when you say "nobody here wants to live to Russia", you somehow got upset about this article

"78% of UK citizens are seriously considering emigrating to Russia"
https://en.news-front.info/2022/06/2...rer=google.com

But i don't understand why you would be bothered by it at all, let them chose, if that's even true. It seems preposterous to me, honestly, 78%? Doesn't look realistic but who knows. I wonder how many other sites picked up this, and maybe it's a kind of joke or coming from one of those 'fake news' sites like the 'Russian' Moscow Times Who knows

[BMJ]

The Economic Fallout From The Ukraine Russian War

Stephen Andrew MP for Mirani on facebook 24.6.22

SANCTIONS ARE HURTING US, NOT RUSSIA

The West banned Oil imports from Russia and the price of oil immediately skyrocketed.

Australia’s RBA Governor, Philip Lowe, said on Tuesday that oil prices have risen 66% since last year.

Australia, he said, is facing the highest level of inflation seen in “many years”.

Now countries worldwide are being hit with crippling fuel shortages.

Many are scrambling to put in place national transportation emergency measures, including the UK, Australia, Canada and US.

Air travel has been smashed as airports across the UK, US and Europe cancel up to 60 percent of their flights because they don’t have enough jet fuel.

Can someone please explain how all this is a moral victory against Putin?

As far as I can see, all it has done is make Putin, the Saudis, Iran and Venezuela much, much richer - and us, a lot poorer.

Why?

Because higher oil prices only make them richer. The loser won’t be Putin, it will be US – the so-called ‘advanced economies’ of the West.

And it’s not just oil. Thanks to sanctions, commodities are up dramatically across the board: potash, fertilisers, wheat - wheat is huge. Nickel went up 250% in 2 days after sanctions were first announced.

Who’s going to pay for all this? You are.

It will be the biggest tax increase of your lives. And by the way, it could soon get worse.

Why?

Because, contrary to what you’ve been told, a large section of the world has not joined the West’s boycott and Russia is still able to sell its oil, wheat and gas on global markets.

Here’s the bigger truth.

World trade and the global financial system benefit countries like Australia, the most. That may not be fair, but it’s true. It is the basis of Western power and wealth. So if you destroy it in an effort to ‘get Putin’, who are you really destroying?

You’re destroying the West, and that’s what’s happening right now.

When you attack and destabilise world trade and the global financial system, you are attacking and destabilising Western economies, NOT Putin.

The West’s response to the invasion of Ukraine is probably the single most damaging thing any group of leaders has ever done to their own countries and the world.

Not to Putin. To their own people. And a lot of small countries who didn’t deserve it.

One day when all the hysteria finally lifts, I think we will review this moment with clear heads and when we do, we will be horrified.

Link: https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid...93290746129747

[Goba]

I absolutely do not hate Russia or Russians, quite the opposite, I have a lot of Russians friends, both in Germany and in India where I mostly reside these days. I do not even hate Putin although I am sure he has devolved into a rigid if not senile clown quite literally clinging to his position much like Stalin did.

Most of my Russian friends agree with me and some even predicted what has happened when I was still of the opinion "Putin aint that stupid". Little did I know.

Given the pictures and clips available on the net AND given the fact that most experts agree that all Russia really has in military advantage is its old and proven (re: Grosni) methodology to raze a place to the ground by indiscriminately plastering it with artillery I do not understand why you would believe propaganda outlets like this Ritter person or "The Saker" who funny enough does not even live in the "motherland". Their Agitprop machine runs overtime. A few days ago I could read on DW (a gov. German outlet) that a Russian Iskander had killed FIFTY Ukrainian generals that held a meeting somewhere. Then this funny "we can also make bunker busters" clip you already figured is a fake. Russian mouthpieces lie when they move their lips. Thats what they are paid for. Sometimes its "nobody wants to built a wall" like in Berlin and sometimes its "Invasion of Ukraine is a western conspiracy theory". Your hate for the "Anglo Saxon" gang makes you blind to that fact. Fog of war is on EVERY side.

As I stated in my earlier posts I planned to do a long trip thru Russia by bike From India crossing parts of China as inspired by friends I have in Finland - I add the YT on the bottom of this post. Now that is of course cancelled. I would likely not want to spend that much time in a country I hate.

Very few people would argue that Russia today has more in common with Germany in its 30s than with the USA (including all its shortcomings). Moreover the gang of thiefs that run Russia today have done very little to use Russias vast riches to create an equal or even only not impoverished public. In that they very much differ from the Germany of the 30s and without having much sympathies for Hitler he at least solved that problem (before he started the war).

Of course everyone if free to believe whatever they want. None of us has access to 100% reliable sources. So its a thing of weighting probabilities. I guess my sources have me weight them much against Russia.
Funny enough even the central bank of Russia agrees with me: THEY predict a 10 year recession as result of the war.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=UPVgM9Ampco

[Mashika]

Posted by Goba (here)
I absolutely do not hate Russia or Russians, quite the opposite

I have a lot of Russians friends, both in Germany and in India where I mostly reside these days.

I have a lot of American friends living in Russia, in Mexico, in Venezuela and other places like that, they mostly moved outside the US because they did not like it and speak horrors about their country. This means nothing to me, i know what you are trying to say. So now it is not people living in Russia but people who are NOT living in Russia for some reason. Could they, possibly, have moved out after the USSR dissolved in the early 90's, because their families belonged to a certain class that was not 'sold out enough'? Are they soviet bolsheviks? Are they part of a certain group of soviet bolsheviks that we don't name by name but we all know who they are?

Like the 'Cubans' living in the US because they had to run away from the country once the people got fed up with their abusive crap and sent them away and now they play victims and shamelessly try to take back a country that never belonged to them in the first place

Do your friends feel upset about songs like this? Perhaps?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=6VqiMQoMXmw

I do not even hate Putin although I am sure he has devolved into a rigid if not senile clown quite literally clinging to his position much like Stalin did.

This is the kind of stuff that people say when they mean the opposite of it all, i don't even know why you added it, it weakens your position very much. It doesn't allow you to be taken seriously

So everything after that, is pointless to even read. I hope you understand why, but i will not wait or hold my breath

I did not read anything after that, because you clearly were following an inner hate and tried to troll and be fed, so i supposed this is "how the story ends"

Domo Arigato

[Goba]

Alina Lipp is such a great case in point. Of course Germany like all civilized countries upholds international law with regards to "support of war crimes" (at least as long the US is not involved). By intentional law Russia is the aggressor in this hot war there can be no doubt, not even among the followers of the Putin narrative. Much different to what was reported in that post above the truth as reported by the German NDR yesterday is this: (use the translator of your choice). In Germany you are considered innocent until proven guilty. The fact that the police and the DA has started INVESTIGATING her is based on her activity and I can only hope that she loses the case. Its quite obvious that she has zero understanding of what "sovereign country" means.
Its quite funny how the left and the green scream every time someone utters conservative positions and then hauling them in front of a judge and blocking all accounts is fine - but if their agenda clearly supports a criminal act of war and mass killing - then OMG what a dishonest country Germany is, how can they judge this heroic young female supporting the fight for "Russian Mir" - in a sovereign country that does not WANT Russian Mir!

here is the verbatim report as of yesterday:

Die Zentralstelle für Hasskriminalität im Internet bei der Staatsanwaltschaft Göttingen hat Ermittlungen gegen die YouTuberin Alina Lipp aus Lüneburg aufgenommen. Lipp soll im Internet dazu aufgerufen haben, sich mit dem russischen Angriffskrieg gegen die Ukraine zu solidarisieren. Das sei eine Straftat nach Artikel 13 des Völkerstrafgesetzbuchs so ein Sprecher der Staatsanwaltschaft, da damit Straftaten gebilligt werden. Lipp war früher Kommunalpolitikerin der Grünen und macht inzwischen in sozialen Netzwerken offenbar Propaganda für Russland. Die Staatsanwaltschaft hat eigenen Angaben zufolge auch Geld der Lüneburgerin beschlagnahmt, da sie damit offenbar rechtswidrige Taten habe finanzieren wollen.

[Mashika]

Posted by Goba (here)
Alina Lipp is such a great case in point. Of course Germany like all civilized countries upholds international law with regards to "support of war crimes" (at least as long the US is not involved). By intentional law Russia is the aggressor in this hot war there can be no doubt, not even among the followers of the Putin narrative. Much different to what was reported in that post above the truth as reported by the German NDR yesterday is this: (use the translator of your choice). In Germany you are considered innocent until proven guilty. The fact that the police and the DA has started INVESTIGATING her is based on her activity and I can only hope that she loses the case. Its quite obvious that she has zero understanding of what "sovereign country" means.
Its quite funny how the left and the green scream every time someone utters conservative positions and then hauling them in front of a judge and blocking all accounts is fine - but if their agenda clearly supports a criminal act of war and mass killing - they OMG what a dishonest country Germany is, how can they judge this heroic young female supporting the fight for "Russian Mir" - in a sovereign country that does not WANT Russian Mir!

here is the verbatim report as of yesterday:

Die Zentralstelle für Hasskriminalität im Internet bei der Staatsanwaltschaft Göttingen hat Ermittlungen gegen die YouTuberin Alina Lipp aus Lüneburg aufgenommen. Lipp soll im Internet dazu aufgerufen haben, sich mit dem russischen Angriffskrieg gegen die Ukraine zu solidarisieren. Das sei eine Straftat nach Artikel 13 des Völkerstrafgesetzbuchs so ein Sprecher der Staatsanwaltschaft, da damit Straftaten gebilligt werden. Lipp war früher Kommunalpolitikerin der Grünen und macht inzwischen in sozialen Netzwerken offenbar Propaganda für Russland. Die Staatsanwaltschaft hat eigenen Angaben zufolge auch Geld der Lüneburgerin beschlagnahmt, da sie damit offenbar rechtswidrige Taten habe finanzieren wollen.

Its quite obvious that she has zero understanding of what "sovereign country" means.

This is way way beyond lmao

The fact that someone is stupid enough to consider this some kind of 'law abiding fact" coming from the west... It is truly a thing to behold, after the many times those countries have stepped over all the human laws and killed millions of people

Amazing.. And thanks for it, it clearly shows how brutal it has, the mentality come all until today. Or maybe the brutality never left, only 'transformed itself' until it was fit for other people under a we are Nazi but 'we changed' more acceptable fake-reality?

But you could not know about it, as of course you live inside the bubble

Did you know that most German people did not understand truly what their army was doing in Europe? And that they thought they were the ones being attacked, just like Ukraine people does? But look into it for yourself dude

I shall ask once again, prove any of the videos posted here wrong, or as fake. And the articles as well, prove them wrong without any doubt

Can you? I wonder

[Mashika]

Posted by Goba (here)
Alina Lipp is such a great case in point. Of course Germany like all civilized countries upholds international law with regards to "support of war crimes" (at least as long the US is not involved). By intentional law Russia is the aggressor in this hot war there can be no doubt, not even among the followers of the Putin narrative. Much different to what was reported in that post above the truth as reported by the German NDR yesterday is this: (use the translator of your choice). In Germany you are considered innocent until proven guilty. The fact that the police and the DA has started INVESTIGATING her is based on her activity and I can only hope that she loses the case. Its quite obvious that she has zero understanding of what "sovereign country" means.
Its quite funny how the left and the green scream every time someone utters conservative positions and then hauling them in front of a judge and blocking all accounts is fine - but if their agenda clearly supports a criminal act of war and mass killing - then OMG what a dishonest country Germany is, how can they judge this heroic young female supporting the fight for "Russian Mir" - in a sovereign country that does not WANT Russian Mir!

here is the verbatim report as of yesterday:

Die Zentralstelle für Hasskriminalität im Internet bei der Staatsanwaltschaft Göttingen hat Ermittlungen gegen die YouTuberin Alina Lipp aus Lüneburg aufgenommen. Lipp soll im Internet dazu aufgerufen haben, sich mit dem russischen Angriffskrieg gegen die Ukraine zu solidarisieren. Das sei eine Straftat nach Artikel 13 des Völkerstrafgesetzbuchs so ein Sprecher der Staatsanwaltschaft, da damit Straftaten gebilligt werden. Lipp war früher Kommunalpolitikerin der Grünen und macht inzwischen in sozialen Netzwerken offenbar Propaganda für Russland. Die Staatsanwaltschaft hat eigenen Angaben zufolge auch Geld der Lüneburgerin beschlagnahmt, da sie damit offenbar rechtswidrige Taten habe finanzieren wollen.

It would serve you well to listen to this song, lookup the lyrics, translate it and understand the concept of "si hablamos de matar mis palabras matan"

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=pjPA7CXutDw

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%ADctor_Jara

Víctor Lidio Jara Martínez (Spanish pronunciation: [ˈβiktoɾ ˈliðjo ˈxaɾa maɾˈtines]; 28 September 1932 – 16 September 1973)[1] was a Chilean teacher, theater director, poet, singer-songwriter and socialist[2] political activist tortured and killed by the dictatorship of Augusto Pinochet. He developed Chilean theater by directing a broad array of works, ranging from locally produced plays to world classics, as well as the experimental work of playwrights such as Ann Jellicoe. He also played a pivotal role among neo-folkloric musicians who established the Nueva Canción Chilena (New Chilean Song) movement. This led to an uprising of new sounds in popular music during the administration of President Salvador Allende.

Jara was arrested by Pinochet forces shortly after the Chilean coup of 11 September 1973, which overthrew Allende. He was tortured during interrogations and ultimately shot dead, and his body was thrown out on the street of a shantytown in Santiago.[3] The contrast between the themes of his songs—which focused on love, peace, and social justice—and the brutal way in which he was murdered transformed Jara into a "potent symbol of struggle for human rights and justice" for those killed during the Pinochet regime.[4][5][6] His preponderant role as an open admirer and propagandist for Che Guevara and Allende's government, in which he served as a cultural ambassador through the late 1960s and until the early 1970s crisis that ended in the coup against Allende, marked him for death.

In June 2016, a Florida jury found former Chilean Army officer Pedro Barrientos liable for Jara's murder.[7][8] In July 2018, eight retired Chilean military officers were sentenced to 15 years and a day in prison for Jara's murder.[9]

Just the same

Learn or not. Do as you must, it is up to you in the end

[Goba]

Or you could just ask any FINNISH PERSON if he thinks their "winter war" was in vain and if they should have surrendered to Stalin and become part of Russia.

[Mashika]

Posted by Goba (here)
Or you could just ask any FINNISH PERSON if he thinks their "winter war" was in vain and if they should have surrendered to Stalin and become part of Russia.

You share something in common with all trolls, never dare to address directly any point made but just try to anger the person while running away from the truth

It's deplorable lmao

If you are going to say something about the FINNISH PERSON then you should start by something about all the millions of people Germany killed in WW2, isn't that something? LMFAO!

What do you have to say about the hundreds of thousands of Jews that Ukraine killed in WW2? Mostly Polish?

If you want to talk about history, you should at least know some of it, instead of using talking points, once again

See, Just now "the turns have tabled" around you lol

This is why being a troll is difficult, you usually don't know what you are talking about but lie and push forward stupid narratives, then you are found out

And a second question or observation

Since you don't have anything good to say about Nazi Ukraine. You had to go back in time to like 80 years ago to find something to criticize. You have no way to defend Nazi Ukraine, so you go so far back in the past to look for anything, that's "grasping at straws" argument

It just tells us that you have no idea what's truly going on in Donbass or Ukraine right now. You just came here to hate

You are dismissed, young padawan, you don't get to go to Jedi school, maybe next life

ETA: But i'll give you something, you at least were educated enough to this time quote me in your reply, we are making progress there in the manners department

[Goba]

I have to say I had not heard about that Lipp person before I read it here.
A very quick google search uncovers a few interesting facts: her father is Russian, she works for and is paid by a Russian news agency and has visited Moscow only days before the invasion where she met with all the other mouthpieces of Russian agitprop.

Those who speak German have an advantage:

https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/...riegerin-.html

https://www.volksverpetzer.de/analys...SAAEgL61_D_BwE

[Mashika]

Posted by Goba (here)
I have to say I had not heard about that Lipp person before I read it here.
A very quick google search uncovers a few interesting facts: her father is Russian, she works for and is paid by a Russian news agency and has visited Moscow only days before the invasion where she met with all the other mouthpieces of Russian agitprop.

Those who speak German have an advantage:

https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/...riegerin-.html

https://www.volksverpetzer.de/analys...SAAEgL61_D_BwE

Is your father German? That means you must be a Nazi! Or not?

Prove me wrong. This is a clear example of how nasty your 'western' style of narrative is. You are just trying to throw mud at her. No mention about what she found or exposed? Prove her wrong with videos or testimonies, not trying to 'find dirt'. But have you any?

I don't think you have, and once again, prove her wrong

I want to ask you to keep posting here, as every single post you make proves me correct in all i say, and every one else on this thread!

Thanks for your wonderful and invaluable contribution

Slava Germania! lmao!

[Mashika]

Posted by Goba (here)
I have to say I had not heard about that Lipp person before I read it here.
A very quick google search uncovers a few interesting facts: her father is Russian, she works for and is paid by a Russian news agency and has visited Moscow only days before the invasion where she met with all the other mouthpieces of Russian agitprop.

Those who speak German have an advantage:

https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/...riegerin-.html

https://www.volksverpetzer.de/analys...SAAEgL61_D_BwE

https://twitter.com/TeamPelosi/statu...66519097761794

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[Mashika]

Posted by Goba (here)
I have to say I had not heard about that Lipp person before I read it here.
A very quick google search uncovers a few interesting facts: her father is Russian, she works for and is paid by a Russian news agency and has visited Moscow only days before the invasion where she met with all the other mouthpieces of Russian agitprop.

Those who speak German have an advantage:

https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/...riegerin-.html

https://www.volksverpetzer.de/analys...SAAEgL61_D_BwE

I don't understand how you are so blind, unless you willed it to be, because even the beginning of the article proves you wrong in your assumption that this is not a narrative, nasty, paid for and willing to destroy her character piece

Beyond the front line, there are few journalists reporting on the Ukraine war. A German sends impressions from the other side. From Donetsk, she reports fully on the Kremlin course.

Where.Are.The.Other.Journalists.From.Germany.That.Can.Prove.Her.Wrong

All of them are posting from very far away, where they can't see anything going on in the ground, yet she's there and she, the only few that can 'send impressions from the other side" is the only one at wrong

How naive can people be to not see the issue here?

So yes, thanks for posting all you have posted as it is invaluable, i got a lot of good understanding of how western propaganda works at street level, and i hope other people will too. It's amazing to behold. And i hope you don't edit your posts, as mods can see and very much return them to the previous state if needed. I wish for this to be in full out there for the entire world to see

That was so good to prove the point of the western narrative that i had to save it, here's a link, but i also got a full PDF of it for later

https://web.archive.org/web/20220624...riegerin-.html

It's just an amazing piece of work. I wonder if the writers of that stuff understand how much they expose about themselves with that kind of pieces

[Vangelo]

From ZeroHedge

"Russia is done with the West. The divorce is nearly complete"- Analysis

BY VBL
WEDNESDAY, JUN 22, 2022 - 17:16

Russia’s New Rules
Intro: We thought this latest missive by Tom Luongo very complementary to our recent post What Russia Thinks Will Happen Next. It’s always interesting when someone comes to similar conclusions using different (Political/realpolitik here) metrics. If you enjoyed our post, you should like this one as well.- GoldFix

Via Gold, Goats,'n Guns blog

Russia is done with the West. The divorce is nearly complete. In the past few days we’ve heard from all major Russian leaders the same thing, “The West will play by our rules now.”

You can decide for yourselves whether Russia is writing checks they can’t cash, but in the words of Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov telling the BBC bluntly, “We do not care about the eyes of the West.” Lavrov has always been the soul of politeness and discretion when dealing with European media.

His open hostility towards his BBC interviewer was not only palpable, it was hard to argue with. He followed that up with:

“I don’t think there’s even room for maneuver left anymore,” Lavrov replied.

“Because both [Prime Minister Boris] Johnson and [Foreign Secretary Liz] Truss say publicly: ’We must defeat Russia, we must bring Russia to its knees. Go on, then, do it.”

Russia’s leadership never talks in such openly blunt terms. It’s almost like Lavrov was channeling comedian Dennis Miller who used to say, “Feeling froggy, take that leap.”

See where it gets you.

IRussia knows it has the West on the ropes. We need what they produce and now they are determined to set the rules on who gets them and for what price. It knows that European leaders are puppets with Klaus Schwab’s hand up their asses.

And it knows Davos has zero leverage over Russia’s actions from here on out.

Which brings me to the statements linked above by Gazprom CEO Alexei Miller, speaking at a panel at the St. Petersburg Economic Investment Forum (SPEIF) who just put the situation in the starkest terms there is.

“The game of nominal value of money is over, as this system does not allow to control the supply of resources. …Our product, our rules. We don’t play by the rules we didn’t create.”

Miller’s statement should be thought of as a statement of principle across all theatres of operation for Russia. This doesn’t just apply to natural gas or oil. This is everything, all of Russia’s dealings with the West from here on out will be on its terms not the West’s.

This is clearly the biggest geopolitical middle finger in the post WWII period.

Miller is clearly laying out the rules for a new, commodity-centric monetary system, one based on what Credit Suisse’s Zoltan Poszar called ‘outside money’ — commodities, gold, even bitcoin — rather than the West’s egregious use of ‘inside money’ — debt-based fiat and credit — to perpetuate old colonialist behavior well past its use-by date.

I laid out the basic problem in an article from March after Russia soft-pegged the ruble to gold.

Today’s “Inside Money” standard, known colloquially as the Dollar Reserve standard, is actually what I like to call “Milton Friedman’s Nightmare.” It is nothing more than a system of competitively devalued and inflated debt-based scrips running around drinking each other’s milkshakes until everyone’s glass is empty.

Miller is definitely a glass full kinda guy now.

These comments came after Gazprom began cutting gas flows to Europe through the Nordstream 1 pipeline using the cover story of repaired gas turbines trapped in fascist Canada which couldn’t be shipped back to Siemens because of sanctions.

Now Germany and Canada are trying to figure out how to circumvent the sanctions to get these turbines back.

At the same time Miller pledged more gas to China (up 67% yoy through May) because Russia is interested in energy stability for its friends, while its enemies can starve.

Reuters is reporting that “Russia’s Gazprom increased gas supplies to China by 67% in the first five months of this year, the company’s CEO Alexei Miller said on Thursday.”

It was also on Wednesday that Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chinese President Xi Jinping held their second phone call since the Ukraine war began. Xi told Putin that China is “willing to continue to offer mutual support (to Russia) on issues concerning core interests and major concerns such as sovereignty and security,” as quoted in state broadcaster CCTV.

The arrogance of EU commissars never ceases to amaze me. These people all but declare war on Russia and then act shocked (Shocked, I say!) that Russia then treats them like that.

On the same day that four members of the EU Commission — France, Italy, Germany and Romania — approve fast-tracking Ukraine’s membership application, France’s Emmanuel Macron urges Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy to go to the bargaining table with Russia.

Even if Zelenskyy were to make those overtures to Russia, given his public statements on what his terms are, there would be absolutely zero chance that Russia would agree to show up for talks.

At this point I see nothing more than Russia continuing to grind out the Ukrainian army, taking what territory they want and then shepherding through local elections by the conquered territory to either become independent states or part of Russia.

It’s likely the latter at this point since Russia is now issuing Russian passports in regions they’ve taken from Ukraine, which the EU, of course, will refuse to honor until no one cares what they think anymore.

The rules are changing rapidly. Looking ahead there is a real danger that what Russia has set in motion leads to something no one wants to contemplate. Of course the West helped create this situation by forcing Putin’s hand to invade Ukraine, so who’s to blame about where this all leads to may, ultimately, be an irrelevant point.

Let’s hope the noises coming from the West about the sanctions having gone too far and the chest-beating of the worst US and British neocons is no longer being taken seriously by anyone with their fingers anywhere near the launch codes.

If that’s the case than these new rules will be grudgingly accepted only after a lot of borders have been redrawn, new alliances formed and a different world order established.

This morning at the President Putin declared the old world order dead. He finished his speech where he detailed how the West was committing suicide to suit the wishes of The Davos Crowd with the following definitive statement:

“Russia is entering the coming era as a powerful sovereign country. We will definitely use the enormous new opportunities that time opens up for us. And we will become even stronger.”

Putin is correct here. Russia is getting stronger by the day. The West took their best shot at destroying Russia and missed the mark. He clearly identified the real culprits for Europe’s and the US’s problems, subservience to an oligarch class who feel entitled to rule the world.

When the war started I wrote about what I thought Putin’s intentions were. Then it was speculation:

Russia held all the cards in the negotiations over Ukraine and we recklessly pursued a policy of insults and amateurish propaganda, refusing to believe Russia wouldn’t make her final stand.

By putting boots on the ground, planes in the air and missiles up the ass of every Ukrainian military installation across the country, Russia turned the ‘might makes right’ argument of the US and Europe on its head.

The game has changed because the rules have changed. It’s no longer a game of rhetorical chicken and virtue signaling.

Today it is fact. When Putin made his move on Ukraine the ultimate goal was the end of Russia treating the West as an equal and leading the Global South out of what he has called “vassalage.” The reason Putin is hated is because he realizes there are two types of countries, “sovereigns” and “vassals.”

It’s been his life’s work to make Russia into a ‘sovereign’ state free from the West.

From Russia’s perspective their military operation in Ukraine was their Declaration of Independence from the old ‘rules-based order’ of the post-WWII era. Justified or not, we are now in a new age.

The question is now, how many will survive into it.

* * *

[Goba]

Its not even funny how the supporters of the Russian side use words in one way when they used them in a toally different way in a different context.

What does declaring war mean? IMO it is the start of a shooting war. People die. It happens ONLY between different countries bc if it happens within the same it is called CIVIL WAR. This meaning excludes all measures and means that are NOT related to shooting, e.g. sanctions, propaganda etc.
Has "The west" declared war on Russia? NO. Not a shot was fired.
Has the west misused its stronger economic position to exploit Russia? Certainly. Is that war? no. Nobody gets shot.

If you think starting to kill people en masse is justified by acts of injustice towards people who speak the same language you do - then I have no further thing to say to you.

If you think starting to kill people if people of your own (or any) ethnicity are forced to flee their homes (in another country) - even if they have your passport - I have no further thing to say to you.

If you think starting to kill people en masse because access to some island place your country owns is blocked - I have no further thing to say to you.

The ONLY thing I would like you to consider is: Those are EXACTLY the reasons Hitler attacked Poland in 1939. Exactly. German where killed en masse in Poland, they where thrown into concentration camps and had to flee the country if they wanted to live. And Poland blocked access to Danzig, a "freie Reichsstadt" at the time although under "Völkerbund" administration it was by all intents and purposes a German city.

Funny how one guy is a good guy and the other is the worst who ever lived ...

[jaybee]

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IMO nothing that's happening in Ukraine at the moment can be understood properly without factoring in the aspirations of the Globalists who want a One World Government and a Global Digital Currency linked to a Chinese style Social Credit system linked to AI and 5G...

There can never be a One World Government while nations retain their sovereignty especially a huge country like Russia.... the Globalist Forces want regime change in Russia so they can basically take over the country from within - like they have in the West - the US (Globalists) took things up a notch with the coup in 2014 and creating a civil war situation in the East of the country - NATO has crept closer to the Russian border and pressurized Russia psychologically and militarily - but they have a problem now that Russia has acted to solve the problems on it's doorstep... with the Special Operation...

A hot world war will set back the Globalist's One World Technocracy/Dictatorship - maybe wreck it completely so while they want the regime change and they want Russia in the NWO fold they can't officially declare war and have to fight the proxy war in Ukraine -

Putin and his political allies obviously decided they had had enough and that attack was the best form of defense and they appear to have massive support in their country - 80% + ?

In the West we are being manipulated with a psychological operation to support Ukraine and WEF puppet Zelensky no matter what - even to our own detriment...

[Ravenlocke]

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