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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    I watched this with interest, and Paul Craig Roberts always has to be respected. But here, I think he's wrong.

    The Russians don't care at all what the western media says about them, and the real western powerbrokers aren't influenced by the media either, as they understand the entire thing perfectly well — including Russia's very measured response to all the provocation.

    Of course, there are hawks among the US neocons, but NATO is not as strong as it likes to pretend it is. One thing that's been very visible is how effective the Russian military machine is, and how ineffective western weapons are in a "real" war against a strong adversary.

    The neocons may rattle their sabers and make a lot of noise, but as best I can see they're really doing this for one another. Everything I believe I know and understand suggests that Russia is in full control of all this, militarily, financially, and geopolitically.

    And most of the world's nations are quietly behind them. However the western media tries to frame this, all politicians with any perception of reality at all (but maybe that excludes many in Europe, and of course Biden himself!) will understand this very clearly.
    I agree fully Bill. What Paul Craig Roberts calls Russian strategic mistakes etc. aren’t strategic mistakes at all. If Russia had taken the Donbass region in 2014, the whole world would have condemned them. Now – apart from the US and their golden billion slaves and vassals – the whole world is either neutral or blatantly behind them. They can oppose the West at their own pace by building their forces of economic warfare. Moreover, and contrary to what the West thinks: they are not losing the information war in the world, they are only losing it in the G7 world and their full-fledged media propaganda arm. Once they have achieved the goal of creating that economic-geopolitic "second pole" and promoted a new "non-aligned" third pole, their non-nuclear military capability towards the West will be supplied for for by China if need be. In the Second World War, Japan and Germany were antipodes: divided geopolitically right from the start, so Germany was defeated by the American-armed Soviets, and Japan by the Americans. This time around, Russia and China are not divided but geopolitically united and will be able to sustain conventional attacks from the West (where the US will be seriously hampered by the Europeans’ unwillingness to be "Ukrainised") as well as from the East (where neither South Korea nor Japan will elect to be slaughtered by invading forces from China). The real danger is the metamorphosis into a nuclear exchange, which is possible at any moment, to start with tomorrow. The Neocons might reason "if we can’t be the hegemonic power, then nobody will be": the "Samson option", which their good friends in Israel know everything about. The key to this is that the US citizens must themselves rise up and disarm their warlords. I am not so sure they will have the courage to do this. Time is short.
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    An excellent and thought-provoking (for me!) analysis from Alexander Mercouris on every aspect of the bang-up-to-date military situation. I definitely don't post and share every video I watch (there'd be too many!), but for those interested in the finer strategic and tactical details of the conflict, while it's a full hour long, this might be very interesting.


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    Quote Posted by Tintin (here)
    Here's the most recent Wednesday briefing by Maria Zakharova from which I've extracted her updates on Ukraine. I always find them refreshingly candid, honest and informative:

    Briefing by Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova, Moscow, June 29, 2022

    Source: MFA Russian Federation website

    Update on Ukraine

    Almost the entire territory of the LPR, a considerable part of the DPR, all of the Kherson Region and big parts of the Kharkov and Zaporozhye regions, (...) This is not the first time that the Dutch authorities have shown their unwillingness to act properly as a country hosting international events as they extend their confrontational approach in bilateral relations to multilateral formats.

    We condemn this practice.
    My God, how... superior, from the first word until the last. What a lively, “felt”, inspiring text. How “refreshingly candid, honest and informative” as your rightly call it, Tintin.

    The wry humour of it. This sentence made me burst with laughter: “In an attempt to intimidate our journalists with the specter of punishment, the Kiev regime is demonstrating a new level of lawlessness and misanthropy.”

    “Of misanthropy!”

    How strong you must be to call all the Mafia-style warfare Russians are facing "misanthropy”. Hannibal Lecter chews people out of misanthropy. Khmer Rouge squash people’s heads out of misanthropy. SS gasses Jews, Gypsies and menloving men out of misanthropy.

    I forgot to clear the nettles in my fence out of misanthropy. I walked on the lady’s dog’s paw out of misanthropy. I skinned the prisoner of war out of misanthropy.

    The “unbearable lightness” of it.

    Superior – to keep one’s wit amidst the deranged horror and the craving for ugliness, evil and lies.

    And... how ashamed I am of the Dutch authorities. I am Belgian, and hence a citizen of the dismembered Seventeen Provinces (dismembered into Belgium and the Netherlands, that is). What slaves they are (the Belgians are no better). How they stoop.
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    Is it over or a joke?

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    Quote Posted by justntime2learn (here)
    Is it over or a joke?


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    Very sad😔

    https://twitter.com/coope125/status/1543904340611678209





    https://twitter.com/coope125/status/1543890140036304896
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    It was a joke as explained here,

    https://twitter.com/ThisIsAndro/stat...41321596993536



    https://twitter.com/spriteer_774400/...53356300980224
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    https://twitter.com/spriteer_774400/...57519944585216


    https://twitter.com/uasupport999/sta...42411424088065


    https://twitter.com/Kler_Lacombe/sta...32148310110208
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    https://twitter.com/ParabellumSRB/st...47759723618307


    https://twitter.com/ParabellumSRB/st...48068571209731


    https://twitter.com/Idelija2/status/1543953622194655233
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    https://twitter.com/Animosteles/stat...30636125233153



    https://twitter.com/Animosteles/stat...30638671167488

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    https://twitter.com/coope125/status/1543911091121672192


    https://twitter.com/coope125/status/1543909715327025153


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    In Kherson

    https://twitter.com/Levi_godman/stat...60267939364866



    https://twitter.com/ILRUSSO1/status/1543967831162851328


    Sergey Eliseev


    https://twitter.com/Catuvolcus/statu...64062511190017

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    • NYT 'Bombshell' - CIA Massively Engaged On-Ground In Ukraine:

    In another case of who is leaking and why, the New York Times has revealed that the CIA is heavily involved in training and advising Ukraine in its war with Russia. As former CIA official Larry Johnson writes, this is a very selective leak from the US government. So we need to read between the lines to answer why. Also today...one day before NATO's Madrid summit the talk is all about escalation.
    No need to follow anyone, only consider broadening (y)our horizon of possibilities ...

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    This reminded me of the wonderful line in Dr Strangelove.
    You can't fight in here, this is the War Room!
    https://globaltimes.cn/page/202207/1269756.shtml

    US, Russian envoys clash over Ukraine crisis at Beijing forum as Chinese experts call on major powers to control ‘spillover effect’




    Russian and Western diplomats clashed over the Russia-Ukraine conflict at a forum in Beijing on Monday, as Russia's Ambassador to China Andrey Ivanovich Denisov pushed back against a claim made the US Ambassador to China Nicholas Burns that Russia's military operations in Ukraine posed the biggest threat to the current world order.

    The rare, tense exchange at the 10th World Peace Forum underscored the escalating geopolitical tensions among major powers, Chinese experts noted, while calling on major powers to find a way of controlling the spillover effect of the conflicts and focus on areas of common interest, including safeguarding peace and the current international order underpinned by the UN Charter and international law.

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    Scott Ritter speaking at the Ron Paul institute, today (4 July). Just 25 minutes, but energized, emphatic, and presenting a compelling argument that the US military is far weaker than it once was, NATO is far weaker than it once was, while the Russians have a formidable military machine that won't and can't be beaten — and therefore pretending otherwise is asking for a very great deal of trouble.


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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Scott Ritter speaking at the Ron Paul institute, today (4 July). Just 25 minutes, but energized, emphatic, and presenting a compelling argument that the US military is far weaker than it once was, NATO is far weaker than it once was, while the Russians have a formidable military machine that won't and can't be beaten — and therefore pretending otherwise is asking for a very great deal of trouble.
    Hey Bill. Am conflicted about the east-west mil balance presently, too much propaganda going round. Thought you might like this though.

    Edit: to correct vid

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    A livestream that started 40 minutes ago, featuring former CIA analyst Larry Johnson with The Duran. I've not actually seen Larry Johnson on video before, and so far I have to say I'm impressed.




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    From Russia Today (and a number of other sites), published yesterday. I'll copy the whole article for those unable to access RT.
    Conscription letters served at Ukrainian churches

    Religious Worshippers have been ordered to attend military enlistment offices

    Officials were seen distributing conscription notices outside a church in the western Ukrainian city of Lviv on Sunday, a member of the nationlal parliament has claimed.

    Ukraine declared a general mobilization of men aged 18 to 60 shortly after Russia launched its military campaign against the country in late February. The law does not specify where notices must be handed out, but they all must be served in person.

    Nikolay Knyazhnitsky, a member of the European Solidarity party, criticized the practice of serving notices at places of worship in a Facebook post.

    “It’s Sunday in Lviv. People are traditionally going to church. And someone had an idea to serve notices from military enlistment offices outside of church,” Knyazhitsky wrote.

    “Outraged priests are making phone calls. They have a reason to be outraged.”

    “There are many ways to invite people to an enlistment office. [Like serving a notice] at home, or a workplace. You certainly shouldn’t do it at church,” he added. “People go there for spiritual protection and support. It’s not a place where one has to walk around and serve notices in the middle of a prayer.”

    At the same time, the lawmaker mentioned that “many people” want to join the Ukrainian Armed Forces but are “getting turned down.”

    Last week, police and military officials inspected more than 400 establishments in Kiev, including night clubs, and served notices to 219 military-aged patrons.

    Most military-aged men are barred from leaving Ukraine under a presidential decree issued in February. A group of MPs introduced a bill last month that would make it illegal for men aged 18 to 60 to leave Ukraine during martial law.

    On Sunday, MP Georgy Mazurashu proposed granting more exemptions to military-aged men seeking to travel outside of the country, including those with small children or certain work contracts abroad.

    The authorities have not released the precise numbers on mobilization, but Deputy Defense Minister Anna Malyar said last month that “hundreds of thousands” had been mobilized.

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