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    Fundamentals of Russia’s Nuclear Deterrence State Policy

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    The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia published yesterday the English text of "Basic Principles of State Policy of the Russian Federation on Nuclear Deterrence."The document was approve on 2 June but was available only in Russian language. This is the first Russia makes public a document in the field of nuclear deterrence.


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    Basically, this document covers strategic planning as well official perspective on the essence of nuclear deterrence. Furthermore, it includes military dangers and threats to be neutralised by nuclear deterrence. And finally, it lays the principles of nuclear deterrence and nuclear use conditions.

    Below is the full text of the document:

    I. General Provisions
    1. These Basic Principles represent a strategic planning document in the area of ensuring defence and reflect the official view on the essence of nuclear deterrence, identify military risks and threats to be neutralized by implementation of nuclear deterrence, the principles of nuclear deterrence, as well as the conditions for the Russian Federation to proceed to the use of nuclear weapons.

    2. The guaranteed deterrence of a potential adversary from aggression against the Russian Federation and/or its allies is one of the highest state priorities. Deterrence of aggression is ensured by the entire military strength of the Russian Federation, including its nuclear weapons.

    3. The State Policy of the Russian Federation on Nuclear Deterrence (hereinafter – “the State Policy on Nuclear Deterrence”) is a set of political, military, military-technical, diplomatic, economic, information and other measures, coordinated and united by a common design, implemented through reliance on forces and means of nuclear deterrence to prevent aggression against the Russian Federation and/or its allies.

    4. State policy on Nuclear Deterrence is defensive by nature, it is aimed at maintaining the nuclear forces potential at the level sufficient for nuclear deterrence, and guarantees protection of national sovereignty and territorial integrity of the State, and deterrence of a potential adversary from aggression against the Russian Federation and/or its allies. In the event of a military conflict, this Policy provides for the prevention of an escalation of military actions and their termination on conditions that are acceptable for the Russian Federation and/or its allies.

    5. The Russian Federation considers nuclear weapons exclusively as a means of deterrence, their use being an extreme and compelled measure, and takes all necessary efforts to reduce nuclear threat and prevent aggravation of interstate relations, that could trigger military conflicts, including nuclear ones.

    6. The normative and legal foundation of these Basic Principles is formed by the Constitution of the Russian Federation, universally recognized principles and norms of international law, international treaties of the Russian Federation on defence and arms control, federal constitutional laws, federal laws and other normative and legal acts and documents that regulate defence and security issues.

    7. The provisions of these Basic Principles are mandatory for implementation by all federal government bodies and other government bodies and organizations that are involved in ensuring nuclear deterrence.

    8. These Basic Principles may be further specified depending on the external and internal factors that influence defence implementation.

    II. Essence of nuclear deterrence
    9. Nuclear deterrence is aimed to provide comprehension by a potential adversary of the inevitability of retaliation in the event of aggression against the Russian Federation and/or its allies.

    10. Nuclear deterrence is ensured by the presence in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation of the combat-ready forces and means that are capable to inflict guaranteed unacceptable damage on a potential adversary through employment of nuclear weapons in any circumstances, as well as by the readiness and resolve of the Russian Federation to use such weapons.

    11. Nuclear deterrence is ensured continuously in peacetime, in periods of a direct threat of aggression and also in wartime, up until the actual use of nuclear weapons.

    12. The main military risks that might evolve into military threats (threats of aggression) to the Russian Federation due to changes in the military-political and strategic situation, and that are to be neutralized by implementation of nuclear deterrence, are as follows:

    a) build-up by a potential adversary of the general purpose forces groupings that possess nuclear weapons delivery means in the territories of the states contiguous with the Russian Federation and its allies, as well as in adjacent waters;

    b) deployment by states which consider the Russian Federation as a potential adversary, of missile defence systems and means, medium- and shorter-range cruise and ballistic missiles, non-nuclear high-precision and hypersonic weapons, strike unmanned aerial vehicles, and directed energy weapons;

    c) development and deployment of missile defence assets and strike systems in outer space;

    d) possession by states of nuclear weapons and (or) other types of weapons of mass destruction that can be used against the Russian Federation and/or its allies, as well as means of delivery of such weapons;

    e) uncontrolled proliferation of nuclear weapons, their delivery means, technology and equipment for their manufacture;

    f) deployment of nuclear weapons and their delivery means in the territories of non-nuclear weapon states.

    13. The Russian Federation implements its nuclear deterrence with regard to individual states and military coalitions (blocs, alliances) that consider the Russian Federation as a potential adversary and that possess nuclear weapons and/or other types of weapons of mass destruction, or significant combat potential of general purpose forces.

    14. While implementing nuclear deterrence, the Russian Federation takes into account the deployment by a potential adversary, in the territories of other countries, of offensive weapons (cruise and ballistic missiles, hypersonic aerial vehicles, strike unmanned aerial vehicles), directed energy weapons, missile defence assets, early warning systems, nuclear weapons and/or other weapons of mass destruction that may be used against the Russian Federation and/or its allies.

    15. The principles of nuclear deterrence are as follows:

    a) compliance with international arms control commitments;

    b) continuity of activities ensuring nuclear deterrence;

    c) adaptability of nuclear deterrence to military threats;

    d) unpredictability for a potential adversary in terms of scale, time and place for possible employment of forces and means of nuclear deterrence;

    e) centralization of governmental control over the activities of federal executive bodies and organizations involved in ensuring nuclear deterrence;

    f) rationality of structure and composition of nuclear deterrence forces and means and their maintaining at the minimal level sufficient for implementing the tasks assigned;

    g) maintaining permanent readiness of a designated fraction of nuclear deterrence forces and means for combat use.

    16. The nuclear deterrence forces of the Russian Federation include land-, sea- and air-based nuclear forces.

    III. Conditions for the transition of the Russian Federation to the use
    of nuclear weapons
    mass destruction against it and/or its allies, as well as in the event of aggression against the Russian Federation with the use of conventional weapons when the very existence of the state is in jeopardy.

    18. The decision to use nuclear weapons is taken by the President of the Russian Federation.

    19. The conditions specifying the possibility of nuclear weapons use by the Russian Federation are as follows:

    a) arrival of reliable data on a launch of ballistic missiles attacking the territory of the Russian Federation and/or its allies;

    b) use of nuclear weapons or other types of weapons of mass destruction by an adversary against the Russian Federation and/or its allies;

    c) attack by adversary against critical governmental or military sites of the Russian Federation, disruption of which would undermine nuclear forces response actions;

    d) aggression against the Russian Federation with the use of conventional weapons when the very existence of the state is in jeopardy.

    20. The President of the Russian Federation might, if necessary, inform the military-political leadership of other states and/or international organizations about the Russian Federation’s readiness to use nuclear weapons or about the decision taken to use nuclear weapons, as well as about the fact that nuclear weapons have been used.

    IV. Tasks and functions of federal government authorities, other government bodies and organizations for implementing state policy on nuclear deterrence
    21. Overall direction of state policy in the area of nuclear deterrence is carried out by the President of the Russian Federation.

    22. The Government of the Russian Federation implements measures to carry out the economic policy aimed at maintaining and developing nuclear deterrence assets shapes and exercises the foreign and information policy in the area of nuclear deterrence.

    23. The Security Council of the Russian Federation shapes the basic principles of military policy in the area of nuclear deterrence, coordinates the activities of federal executive bodies and organizations involved in implementation of the decisions adopted by the President of the Russian Federation and related to ensuring nuclear deterrence.

    24. The Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation, acting through the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, directly plans and carries out organizational and military measures in the area of nuclear deterrence.

    25. Other federal executive bodies and organisations participate in the implementation of decisions adopted by the President of the Russian Federation and related to ensuring nuclear deterrence in accordance with their authority.

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    Russian gas company Gazprom will declare a force majeure on at least one European market and stop sending that market gas. This is a big deal. It is according to a letter that Reuters reported on Monday. That market is reportedly Germany, which has already had to make big curbs in energy use. Is that coming for all of us in the West?

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    ASI forum in Moscow,

    https://twitter.com/spriteer_774400/...79042764787715


    https://twitter.com/ivan_8848/status...31280673247232


    https://twitter.com/PelmeniPusha/sta...28268970065921



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    https://twitter.com/spriteer_774400/...80171124867072
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    Scott Ritter says the USA and NATO cannot beat Russia

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    What a ridiculous pro Russian echo chamber this is.
    Some guy on twitter has information from the polish secret service - yeah right. Scott Ritter who has been wrong so many times (apart from being a convict) is gobbled down as if he was the new messiah. Russia is winning!!!

    Its quite amusing to see how easy it is to get caught up in ones bubble of beliefs by simply ignoring all FACTS that point in a different direction.
    maybe I can update you on some of those.

    The US conglomerate of services (cia, nsa, military whatever) came up with a number of 2500 functional tanks BEFORE the "special MO", of those all the modern ones have been destroyed and as of latest info only about 800 are left in total.

    Ukraine keeps shooting down Russian aircraft almost on a daily basis because the Russian generously have not eliminated their air defenses - which would be priority one for anyone with a functioning military mind - but they have destroyed all the Ukrainian training centers?? with WHAT? They have run out of precision munitions a while ago. What they have left is able to hit a 150-200m radius. But maybe they got thru the defense and THEN also got lucky with a hit. But ever time?

    4 HIMARS (four!!) are forcing the Russian mighty fleet to leave their ports and escape to a save distance. Well, save as long as the USA does not deliver 300km range munitions that hit within a 5 meter radius.

    Since my last msg here and my prediction of a Ukrainian victory in 2023 only 4 weeks have passed. what Russian gains on the map do you see? TINY ones, and in areas where they are 10-1 superior in artillery. At the same time they loose 200 men in combat and on average 20-50 by behind-the-lines OPs of the Urkainian special forces EVERY DAY. And in Kherson the Ukraine even makes small advances.

    In the meantime Finland and Sweden became Nato members as Turkey had been bribed into giving up its resistance. Btw: not single member of nato was ever forced to join, not directly nor indirectly. Nato as an alliance has also never started a war or attacked anyone (not counting the misguided attempts to save muslims in Kosovo). Even now they are very conservative in the support of Ukraine. And still Russia is not getting anywhere.

    Russia is now so desperate that it has to "borrow" munitions from Belarus. And ONLY because the USA forbade the Ukrainians to shoot at stuff outside Ukraine those trains arrive. However, bridges and train tracks and even munition depots accidentally blow up inside Russia. Corruption and low motivation to kill ones neighbors who have never been a threat must really undermine the state of willingness to fight for a USSR 2.0.

    It is so funny to hear Putin talk about the west exploiting other countries when the USSR which he wants to re-establish did exactly that for the entirety of its existence. And if you tried to do something about it - Russian TANKS where the surefire result. Poland (sold out to Stalin by the British), Hungary and East Germany can tell about it! and Grosni, and Aghanistan, and Georgia ... but hey, Putin is the good guy here!

    But back to the war at hand: what do you think happens if the US and Britain deploy not 4 or 5 but 50 Himars systems which I am sure are not operated by Ukrainians but by US special forces in Ukrainian Uniforms. The same way Russian special forces "worked" in Ukraine since 2014. Combined with the superior US military recon abilities (satellites that can read a newspaper from space can certainly get a fix on every munitions depot). That will be the end of the Russian experiment in Ukraine and Putin can count his blessings if he politically survives.

    Time will tell. Meanwhile closer to home the Euro has lost 20% of its value which is bad for anyone planing to do a trip outside the Euro zone but good for a country that thrives off export. And what country would that be? of the 1.3 trillion euros export annually about 30 where done with Russia. This will get much less now but at the same time Germany will not pay as much to Putin for oil and gas. And maybe, just maybe, the green/red "government" we currently have consisting mainly of people with a rather dreamy world view and very little experience in the real world can still see the flaws in the "all green" energy policy and get back to producing the safest nuclear reactors in the world. Or something better. I hear fusion is around the corner. and then there are the salt reactors. And wind and solar aint bad if batteries get cheaper and better which they are. so the future looks bright. without gas and oil from Russia. I am not saying we have no problems, we do, but compared to Russia ours are tiny.

    I keep saying: if the west keeps up the support for Ukraine they simply can not lose this conflict. Its a number game. Even if one does not count in military wisdom that one needs a 3:1 superiority in troops to hold a country.

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    I keep saying: if the west keeps up the support for Ukraine they simply can not lose this conflict. Its a number game. Even if one does not count in military wisdom that one needs a 3:1 superiority in troops to hold a country.
    You're not very bright are you?

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    You're not very bright are you?
    you already ran out of arguments so you have to revert to ad hominem? That was quick

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    You're not very bright are you?
    you already ran out of arguments so you have to revert to ad hominem? That was quick
    Since I asked you a question, not made a statement, I will have to rest my case on the question and make a statement, You sir, are not very bright, perhaps then your popular and empty answer might have any merit.

    Try again, now, this time with less goosestepping.

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    The Goba insight:

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    The US conglomerate of services (cia, nsa, military whatever) came up with...
    vs.

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    What a ridiculous pro Russian echo chamber this is...
    I for one like Goba's Slava Ukrainian wisdom of the conflict. A welcome mainstream addition. But also reminds me of why I don't like much TV news

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    • Putin Assures Destruction of “Western Globalist Elite”
    WILD speech from Putin as he continues to lambast the “Liberal-Globalist Order” every time he steps in front of a microphone. Whether you are a fan of Putin or not, you are still going to want to hear what he said.

    Putin appeared at the ASI forum “Strong Ideas for a New Time”. A collection of 200 Russian elites and local leaders/representatives.

    Putin points out the unfairness of the “Western Oligarchy”, (Deep State) and their total dominance of the world. Highlighting how their rule has impeded the advancement of all human civilization.
    He goes on to correctly assert that the “globalist and supposedly liberal ideology is increasingly acquiring the features of totalitarianism.”

    How can you not agree with him? Put aside that he’s the leader of Russia. Is what he saying not 100% correct? Sounds exactly like something Trump would say.

    Putin would conclude that “no matter how much Western and globalist elites strive to preserve the existing order, a new era is dawning, a new stage in world history.”

    Kinda sounds to me like Putin is saying ‘nothing can stop what is coming’, and that we are witnessing the destruction of the ‘old guard’. He remains consistent in his public appearances that the downfall of the Western Elite/Liberal-Globalist World Order is “impossible to stop”.

    If I were to take the transcript of this speech, and handed it to every single Trump supporter, and told them Trump said it, nearly 100% would support it. If I told them Putin said it, many of them would turn their noses up in disgust.

    Why should we disregard what Putin is saying, when what he is saying is correct? That’s just illogical. Russia is not wrong just because they are Russia, and the US are not right just because they are the US. All the evidence points to Russia’s allegations being legitimate. If you can’t accept this, you are a victim of decades of nationalist propaganda.

    I’m not saying Russia are innocent. No country is. But what they are saying about the US is correct, and ignoring their allegations just because they are our enemy, is not a sustainable foreign policy.

    In conclusion, Putin is confident the Liberal-Globalist world order are being destroyed and soon will be replaced by a new, multi-polar world order. I think that sounds like a great idea. Trump seems to think so as well. None of us can know for sure what the future holds, but it can’t be worse than the current status quo.

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    Keep in mind the Biden admin BANNED RT news at the beginning of the war. If you try to click on RT's Telegram page, you will see a "This channel can't be displayed because it violated local laws".

    The "local laws" being they are talking about the massive secret the global deep state are so desperately clinging onto.

    This is why. Biolabs. Biden. Soros. And now apparently linked to nuclear weapons. All of it is coming to light.

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    WILDE speech by Putin, who continues to denounce the “Liberal-Globalist Order” every time he stands in front of a microphone. Whether you're a fan of Putin or not, you'll still want to hear what he said, Clandestine writes .

    Putin appeared on the ASI forum “Strong Ideas for a New Age”. A collection of 200 Russian elites and local leaders/representatives.

    Putin points out the unfairness of the “Western Oligarchy”, (Deep State) and their total domination of the world. Emphasizing how their rule has hindered the progress of all human civilization.

    He further rightly claims that the “globalist and so-called liberal ideology is increasingly taking on the features of totalitarianism.”

    How can you not agree with him? Do not consider that he is the leader of Russia. Is what he says not 100% correct? It sounds exactly like something Trump would say.
    Putin concludes that “as much as the Western and globalist elites strive to maintain the existing order, a new era is dawning, a new phase in world history.”

    It sounds to me like Putin is saying “nothing can stop what is to come”, and that we are witnessing the demise of the “old guard” . He remains consistent in his public appearances that the demise of the Western Elite/Liberal-Globalist World Order is “unstoppable” .

    If I were to take the transcript of this speech and hand it over to every Trump supporter and tell them that Trump said it, almost 100% would support it. If I told them Putin said it, many of them would turn their noses in disgust.
    Why should we ignore what Putin says, if what he says is right? That's just illogical. Russia is not wrong just because they are Russia, and the US is not right just because they are the US. All the evidence points to Russia's claims being legitimate. If you cannot accept that, you are the victim of decades of nationalist propaganda.
    I am not saying that Russia is innocent. No country is. But what they say about the US is correct, and ignoring their claims just because they are our enemy is not a sustainable foreign policy.

    In short, Putin is convinced that the liberal-globalist world order is being destroyed and will soon be replaced by a new, multipolar world order. That seems like a great idea. Trump seems to think so too. None of us can know for sure what the future holds, but it can't be worse than the current status quo.
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    Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov talks Ukraine, sanctions and nuclear war | July 20, 2022

    Source: rt.com


    Source: https://www.bitchute.com/video/oX03L3Vkf6sY


    Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov spoke about Russia’s military campaign in Ukraine, sanctions and the confrontation with the West in an interview to RT and Sputnik on Wednesday.


    Speaking with RT Editor-in-Chief Margarita Simonyan, the minister explained why, despite a promising start, peace talks with Ukraine effectively broke down in spring.

    He shared his views about the risks of a nuclear war with the West and how Western-supplied heavy weapons affect the fighting on the ground in Ukraine, as well as decision-making in Moscow regarding the conflict.

    Lavrov also discussed the effects of the sanctions on the European economy and the delivery of Russian gas to EU member states.
    "Earth is currently restricted today for normal development of timeline progress. With us telling you everything would change everything."

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    ASI forum in Moscow,

    https://twitter.com/spriteer_774400/...79042764787715



    ASI forum Strong Ideas for a New Time

    Vladimir Putin attended the plenary session of the forum Strong Ideas for a New Time organised by the autonomous non-profit organisation Agency for Strategic Initiatives, established to promote new projects.

    July 20, 2022, 16:40, Moscow

    The forum Strong Ideas for a New Time is aimed at implementing ideas that can make a significant contribution to achieving Russia’s national development goals by 2030. The application process ended on May 20; there are more than 311,000 participants from all regions of the country.

    During the plenary session, ASI General Director Svetlana Chupsheva, Presidential Special Representative for Digital and Technological Development and Director of the Young Professionals division at ASI Dmitry Peskov, and Chairman of VEB.RF and Chair of the ASI Expert Council Igor Shuvalov showed Vladimir Putin the projects that experts had given the highest score.

    ------------------------

    The speech, in full, transcribed:

    Source: http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/69039

    President of Russia Vladimir Putin: Friends,

    I would like to begin by saying that I am very happy to be with you today.

    Through you, I would like to greet and thank all those who have submitted their proposals to the forum Strong Ideas for a New Time, to thank the team of the Agency for Strategic Initiatives for organising the forum, and to express appreciation for the work of our regions, which have contributed to the implementation of the ideas presented at the first ASI forum, held in late 2020.

    It is obvious that there is growing demand for the mechanism proposed by ASI for identifying, selecting and supporting civil projects and initiatives. As we were walking here with Svetlana Chupsheva, she said that, regrettably, an all-embracing and effective mechanism for selecting projects had not yet been created at the state level. But it is good that ASI is doing something like this. We will make increasingly broad use of this practice.

    This mechanism is fully consonant with the tasks of our internal development and the time when truly revolutionary transformations are gaining momentum and getting stronger. These enormous changes are irreversible, of course. National and global processes are underway to develop the fundamentals and principles of a harmonious, fairer and more community-focused and safe world order as an alternative to the existing world order, or the unipolar world order in which we lived, and which, because of its nature, is definitely becoming a brake on the development of our civilisation.

    The model of total domination by the so-called golden billion is unfair. Why should this golden billion, which is only part of the global population, dominate everyone else and enforce its rules of conduct that are based on the illusion of exceptionalism? It divides the world into first and second-class people and is therefore essentially racist and neo-colonial. The underlying globalist and pseudo-liberal ideology is becoming increasingly more like totalitarianism and is restraining creative endeavour and free historical creation.

    One gets the impression that the West is simply unable to offer the world a model for the future of its own. Indeed, it was no accident that the golden billion attained its gold and achieved quite a lot, but it got there not because it implemented certain concepts. It mainly got to where it is by robbing other peoples in Asia and Africa. That is how it was. India was robbed for an extensive period of time. This is why the elite of the golden billion are terrified of other global development centres potentially coming up with their own development alternatives.

    No matter how much the West and the supranational elite strive to preserve the existing order, a new era and a new stage in world history are coming. Only genuinely sovereign states are in a position to ensure a high growth dynamic and become a role model for others in terms of standards of living and quality of life, the protection of traditional values and high humanistic ideals, and development models where an individual is not a means, but the ultimate goal.

    Sovereignty is about freedom of national development, and thus, the development of every individual. It is about the technological, cultural, intellectual and educational solvency of a state – that is what it is. No doubt, responsible, active and nationally minded and nationally oriented civil society is the most important component of sovereignty.

    I am convinced that in order to be strong, independent and competitive, we need to improve the mechanisms for people to participate in the country’s life and to make them more open and fairer. That includes mechanisms for direct democracy and people's involvement in addressing the critical problems facing society and the public.

    The way forward is to rely on our people’s creative potential, to team up with you and people like you who are not with us today. How many thousands participated, did you say?

    Svetlana Chupsheva: 19,000.

    Vladimir Putin: Some 19,000 people took part in the forum. We can achieve the results we are seeking only if we rely on this powerful potential.

    I consider your forum a key platform for an open and meaningful dialogue. Moreover, the Agency for Strategic Initiatives has always brought together people of a particular type. Thinking, proactive and goal-oriented people who are willing to make a significant contribution to making Russia a successful, prosperous and comfortable country for the people who strive to achieve self-fulfillment and to live dignified lives.

    I am positive that, as professionals, you have ideas about how to improve the state of affairs in technology, education and healthcare and to make things better for our companies, researchers and engineers, and so on. You have meaningful ideas that have been tested. We must work together to bring them to life. Some things have already been done, and I hope we will spend some time discussing them. However, these newly proposed ideas must be implemented as well.

    Of course, today we will be able to discuss only some of your ideas and projects. But I want you to know right from the outset that all constructive and sound proposals will be considered. It is imperative to make full use of the mechanisms for implementing the socially significant projects put forward by our citizens, which is being created by the Government, Vnesheconombank – Mr Shuvalov will confirm this – and the Agency for Strategic Initiatives, along with regional involvement.

    I would like to emphasise that it is important to do more than organise the training of the teams and fund them accordingly. It is critically important to create, as soon as possible, pilot legal frameworks in specific areas, to test every aspect of the efforts to introduce effective, bold and even out-of-the-box ideas that are ahead of their time and use them as the basis for carrying out systemic changes throughout the country.

    This particular approach has made it possible to launch the truly useful projects that were presented at your first forum in November 2020. I will give you a quick example. An initiative that was put forward at the previous forum gave start to pilot operation of autonomous marine vessels, which will be an important step towards developing unmanned vehicles in Russia, using satellite navigation and making advances in AI technology.

    The day before yesterday, our colleagues and I discussed in detail the creation of proper conditions for developing and implementing such advanced technologies that enjoy high demand at a meeting of the Council for Strategic Development and National Projects. I am sure that you also have breakthrough ideas that will be implemented. Let us discuss them today.

    I will spend a moment discussing public and social projects aimed at saving our nation, demographic development and, of course, the upbringing, as they usually say, of the youth, but I think education is a lifelong process and people should use new knowledge to evolve throughout their lives. So, I believe upbringing has much more to it than the upbringing of the youth.

    I would like my colleagues in the Government and the governors to hear me – such sincere initiatives that are often promoted even by small teams of enthusiasts certainly need the interested, weighty support of the managerial teams in the regions, on site, because the experience received in one region is valuable and useful for the entire country. Of course, this is true of the experience is valuable, if is implemented, if it works effectively and brings specific results for the region in question and the country.

    Let me recall that at the previous forum, representatives from the Novgorod Region search movement spoke about their efforts to go into schools. A very interesting initiative. As you know, genius lies in simplicity. They go to schools and tell the students about the history of their land by giving examples of their fellow residents, examples of heroism – this is much more interesting and effective than just sitting at a desk in school and thumbing through a textbook even if it is well written by specialists, historians and teachers. This live contact with history, especially if presented professionally, beautifully and creatively, certainly has a much stronger impression on people and affects all their lives.

    I would like to emphasise that to move forward into the future we need to remember our great, glorious past, rely on our traditions and be proud of our achievements. And, once again, we must move forward by all means. It is absolutely unacceptable to rest on our laurels, look back to the past and be happy at recalling what our fathers, grandfathers and grandmothers did. No. We must certainly rely on this enormous experience and the achievements of our nation, our peoples – our advantage lies in the multi-ethnic and multi-religious nature of our country – but we must of course look to the future and move only forward.

    It is symbolic today, that this forum is taking place at this unique facility. I think all of you are happy to be here, at GES −2. It unites our history, the successes of the domestic engineering school and modern technology. They were used to make this unusual, creative space that reflects the spirit of today’s new era.

    I am sure this atmosphere will set a good direction for our discussion and motivate us to search for creative, unconventional approaches to resolving the tasks facing our country.

    Thank you very much for your attention.

    <…>
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    Quote Posted by Rizotto (here)
    There is a bizarre report in some media of "Mystery as 'Russian soldiers are killed' in 'unexplained incident' at occupied Ukrainian nuclear power plant that left troops 'so scared they ran around the station in panic' "

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...wer-plant.html

    Details are scant. What is this about?
    I think your earlier speculation on its bizarreness is accurate The report is riddled with unsubstantiated claims such as (paraphrasing) "..50,000 Russian troops believed to have been killed since the beginning of the conflict.." etc. This looks like it was cooked up in a propaganda silo somewhere as part of a made for TV pilot. "...soldiers running around in a panic, starring..."

    Flimflam here

    UPDATE: perhaps I was hasty in my dismissal. Subsequent posts attest that kamikaze AFU drones did attack the plant. Still, some of the 'facts' in the article not pertaining to this incident are unsubstantiated.
    Last edited by Tintin; 21st July 2022 at 14:04. Reason: Superseded by responses - redundant post
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    Quote Posted by Goba (here)
    What a ridiculous pro Russian echo chamber this is.
    Some guy on twitter has information from the polish secret service - yeah right. Scott Ritter who has been wrong so many times (apart from being a convict) is gobbled down as if he was the new messiah. Russia is winning!!!

    Its quite amusing to see how easy it is to get caught up in ones bubble of beliefs by simply ignoring all FACTS that point in a different direction.
    maybe I can update you on some of those.
    Okay, I can't really reply as I'd quite like to (as a mod), so instead I'm going to channel Mashika.

    ~~~
    Oh no


    lmfao, looks like we have a pro EU troll here

    You obviously wouldn't know a fact about this situation if it bit you in the ***

    Have you ever been to Ukraine, no
    Have you ever been to Russia, no
    Do you know a thing about war, no
    Do you understand anything at all about this situation, no
    The only thing you got right by accident was
    Quote Russia is winning!!!




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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Goba (here)
    What a ridiculous pro Russian echo chamber this is.
    Some guy on twitter has information from the polish secret service - yeah right. Scott Ritter who has been wrong so many times (apart from being a convict) is gobbled down as if he was the new messiah. Russia is winning!!!

    Its quite amusing to see how easy it is to get caught up in ones bubble of beliefs by simply ignoring all FACTS that point in a different direction.
    maybe I can update you on some of those.
    Okay, I can't really reply as I'd quite like to (as a mod), so instead I'm going to channel Mashika.

    ~~~
    Oh no


    lmfao, looks like we have a pro EU troll here

    You obviously wouldn't know a fact about this situation if it bit you in the ***

    Have you ever been to Ukraine, no
    Have you ever been to Russia, no
    Do you know a thing about war, no
    Do you understand anything at all about this situation, no
    The only thing you got right by accident was
    Quote Russia is winning!!!



    This post just saved me a lot of work, lolololololololol

    I guess/think Troll from some Indian Soros farm.

    Edit: Where is Mashika?
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Goba (here)
    What a ridiculous pro Russian echo chamber this is.
    Some guy on twitter has information from the polish secret service - yeah right. Scott Ritter who has been wrong so many times (apart from being a convict) is gobbled down as if he was the new messiah. Russia is winning!!!

    Its quite amusing to see how easy it is to get caught up in ones bubble of beliefs by simply ignoring all FACTS that point in a different direction.
    maybe I can update you on some of those.
    Okay, I can't really reply as I'd quite like to (as a mod), so instead I'm going to channel Mashika.

    ~~~
    Oh no


    lmfao, looks like we have a pro EU troll here

    You obviously wouldn't know a fact about this situation if it bit you in the ***

    Have you ever been to Ukraine, no
    Have you ever been to Russia, no
    Do you know a thing about war, no
    Do you understand anything at all about this situation, no
    The only thing you got right by accident was
    Quote Russia is winning!!!



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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    Twenty minute video.

    Phil Giraldi

    Biden's secret war in Ukraine

    Ex CIA explains

    Some of his comments,

    American objective is to take out Putin

    Russia has won

    His worry is that Biden might slip up and there may be a false flag and American soldiers might get hurt

    Last edited by Ravenlocke; 21st July 2022 at 14:21.
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