WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1562160244851183617

[Ravenlocke]

https://www.rt.com/russia/561355-vol...unal-mariupol/

Zelensky ‘has reasons to fear’ tribunal – Moscow

President Vladimir Zelensky fears that his complicity in war crimes will be exposed during a planned trial of Ukrainian troops, the speaker of the Russian State Duma, Vyacheslav Volodin, has claimed. This is why he threatened to cut off all talks with Moscow if Russia’s ally in Donbass goes ahead with plans to launch a tribunal in Mariupol later this month.

Writing on social media on Tuesday, Volodin said “everybody” is looking forward to the tribunal, except Zelensky, “who considers it unacceptable.”

“He and the Kiev regime have reasons to be afraid,” he added. “He and his inner circle ordered to bomb, shoot and kill peaceful citizens: the elderly, women, children. That is why Zelensky is doing everything to prevent the tribunal.”

The lawmaker was referring to a statement Zelensky made on Monday about the scheduled trial of Ukrainian troops captured by the Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR), an ally of Russia. The Ukrainian leader called the proceedings a “despicable show trial” and “the line beyond which any negotiations are impossible.”

READ MORE: Zelensky warns against putting neo-Nazis on trial
The DPR captured hundreds of Ukrainian soldiers during the battle for the city of Mariupol, including members of the notorious Azov Battalion, which has in its ranks fighters openly displaying neo-Nazi views and sympathies. Some of them have been accused of committing serious crimes during intensive fighting against DPR militias and Russian troops.

Volodin called for the trial to be held publicly, “so that the world community will know about the crimes against humanity committed by the Kiev regime.”


https://www.rt.com/russia/561277-zel...lks-pow-trial/

Zelensky warns against putting neo-Nazis on trial

There will be no more peace talks with Russia if captured Ukrainian Neo-Nazis are subjected to a “show trial,” the country's President Vladimir Zelensky has claimed.

The authorities of the Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) have previously said that they are planning tribunals for suspected war crimes committed by Ukrainian troops, including members of the Azov Battalion, whose ranks include fighters with openly nationalist and neo-Nazi views.

“If this despicable show trial takes place… This will be the line beyond which any negotiations are impossible. Russia will cut itself off from any negotiations,” Zelensky said in a video address early Monday, adding that such a trial would be a violation of international law.

Zelensky’s statement comes after photos appeared on social media allegedly showing large cages being installed on the stage of the Mariupol Philharmonic. Ukraine’s military intelligence service, the GUR, said that the cells will be used to house Ukrainian troops captured by Russian and Donbass forces during the siege of the Azovstal steel plant in Mariupol. They were largely drawn from the Azov Battalion.

DPR head Denis Pushilin told TASS this month that “active preparations” for the proceedings were underway. “The first tribunal will most likely be held in Mariupol. It will be organized by the end of summer,” he said.

The peace talks between Russia and Ukraine have been stalled since spring.

Russia sent troops into Ukraine on February 24, citing Kiev’s failure to implement the Minsk agreements, designed to give the regions of Donetsk and Lugansk special status within the Ukrainian state. The protocols, brokered by Germany and France, were first signed in 2014. Former Ukrainian President Pyotr Poroshenko has since admitted that Kiev’s main goal was to use the ceasefire to buy time and “create powerful armed forces.”

In February 2022, the Kremlin recognized the Donbass republics as independent states and demanded that Ukraine officially declare itself a neutral country that will never join any Western military bloc. Kiev insists the Russian offensive was completely unprovoked.

[Ravenlocke]

https://tass.com/politics/1497283?ut...m_social_share

Russian diplomat accuses Ukraine’s envoy of undermining interethnic accord in Kazakhstan

"Pyotr Vrublevsky's statements once again prove the terrorist, anti-human nature of the Kiev regime, especially against the background of the recent murder of Russian journalist Darya Dugina by Ukrainian special services," Maria Zakharova said


MOSCOW, August 23. /TASS/. Ukraine's Ambassador to Kazakhstan Pyotr Vrublevsky is openly engaged in undermining interethnic accord in his host country, Russian Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said in a commentary on Tuesday.

"It is impossible to imagine how an ambassador - a person who is supposed to strengthen bilateral relations - is openly engaged in undermining interethnic harmony in the host country, calling for the destruction of citizens of this country on ethnic grounds," the diplomat said in comments on public appeals from Vrublevsky to kill "as many Russians as possible." Over three million ethnic Russians live in the country to which he is the ambassador, she emphasized.

"The telling silence on the part of Kiev about these calls is very revealing. It can’t be called anything other than an endorsement," the diplomat stressed.

"Pyotr Vrublevsky's statements once again prove the terrorist, anti-human nature of the Kiev regime, especially against the background of the recent murder of Russian journalist Darya Dugina by Ukrainian special services," the diplomat said.

Moscow expects Nur-Sultan to react to the Ukrainian ambassador's public call to kill ‘as many Russians as possible’, the spokeswoman went on to say.

"We are sure that Nur-Sultan will react to these statements of the Ukrainian ambassador. We know that he has already been summoned to the republic’s Foreign Ministry. As far as we know, there are also petitions from the citizens of Kazakhstan that demand deportation of this ‘diplomat’ who violated not only elementary diplomatic rules and ethics, including the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations of 1961, but also Article 174 of the Criminal Code of the Republic of Kazakhstan, which envisages up to seven years in prison for ‘inciting social, national, tribal, racial, class or religious hatred’," the diplomat noted.

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/stat...00727652794372

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/coope125/status/1562180170655666176

[Johnnycomelately]

Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
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https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/stat...72120888647680

Ravenlocke, I don’t agree with you (the tears). She answered properly. The clip had no mention of a first-strike, and MAD only works if the other side believes you will participate.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Johnnycomelately (here)

Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
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https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/stat...72120888647680

Ravenlocke, I don’t agree with you (the tears). She answered properly. The clip had no mention of a first-strike, and MAD only works if the other side believes you will participate.

There's not a single politician in Europe (with the probable exception of Viktor Orbán) who's anything other than any or all of

• A globalist puppet
• Incompetent
• Irresponsible
• Dishonest
• Extremely dangerous.

[Satori]

To me the implication of the question was whether she would launch the first strike, because, for example, if it was a retaliatory strike the notion of feeling physically sick would not be applicable. I believe many of us could muster the courage to push the button in retaliation. As, any normal person would already be feeling sick from the realization that a nuclear war had already been started and global destruction was imminent.

Further she did not answer the question, which is how would she feel. It’s apparent to me she is devoid of feelings. Which makes for a perfect lapdog politician.

Also, MAD works, if it works at all (which remains to be seen), when no country, or a person with such power, is willing to be the first to push the button(s). That has been proved on several occasions.

What was disturbing to me was the number of people who applauded her answer.

[Mashika]

Looks like things have escalated very suddenly in the past day or so

Previously, the army had been very careful to not carpet shell or carpet bomb, always being limited and always being careful to allow for the Ukros to surrender or retreat. But i saw these in the past day or so, now it is a "take no prisoners" approach and carpet bombing the hell out of the positions without any care

https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/20512


https://t.me/intelslava/35877



And just a couple hours ago this happened:
https://t.me/BellumActaNews/81576


Looks like someone took the gloves off now

[Johnnycomelately]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

There's not a single politician in Europe (with the probable exception of Viktor Orbán) who's anything other than any or all of

• A globalist puppet
• Incompetent
• Irresponsible
• Dishonest
• Extremely dangerous.

My response was about her reply, which was the point of that literally and functionally staged interaction. I don’t doubt that she is a politician who ticks your boxes, but that was a proper political position.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Mashika (here)

And just a couple hours ago this happened:

Russian Strategic Bombers are airborne over Ukraine

Looks like someone took the gloves off now

That may not refer to the old, but very serviceable, turboprop Tu-95 'Bears'. It might well include the highly sophisticated Tu-160s (first image) and Tu-22s (the second).

With the weapons they're equipped and designed to carry, they could do just about anything in Ukraine and after they'd done their job there'd be very little left on the ground at all.

[42]

"With the weapons they're equipped and designed to carry, they could do just about anything in Ukraine and after they'd done their job there'd be very little left on the ground at all."

Including, i assume, women, children and all those who are not "Nazis?"

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by 42 (here)
"With the weapons they're equipped and designed to carry, they could do just about anything in Ukraine and after they'd done their job there'd be very little left on the ground at all."

Including, i assume, women, children and all those who are not "Nazis?"

I was describing their capability.

As Alexander Mercouris often says, the Kremlin doesn't share Russia's military plans with me.

[42]

Their cabability and their culpabiility are two very separate topics.

[Mashika]

Posted by 42 (here)
Their cabability and their culpability are two very separate topics.

Unlike the Ukronazi state, the Russian Air Force has not hit indiscriminately on civilian zones

And if you would say they did, i would expect you to prove it with facts, not imaginary news, and neither the ones where you purposedly ignore the fact that the UkroNazi army embedded themselves between civilians and used them as human shields in schools and other locations

But we have not seen a real instance of the first case, unlike we see almost daily in Donetsk these days by the Ukros. And we have plenty of evidence (by videos uploaded by the very same UkroNazi army) that they do use schools and other civilian buildings as bases, and there's also plenty of recorded evidence that people were and still are being used as human shields on the side of Ukraine

It's funny that even in the videos that the UkroNazi state tried to use to prove that Russia had hit civilian targets, no later than a day before evidence came up that it had actually been used as a military base and then the news is silenced entirely on the west, everyone stops talking about it at unison (for some reason lol)

[pounamuknight]

Posted by Johnnycomelately (here)

Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
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https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/stat...72120888647680

Ravenlocke, I don’t agree with you (the tears). She answered properly. The clip had no mention of a first-strike, and MAD only works if the other side believes you will participate.

A functioning human being should physically recoil at the entire premise of such a dodgy manipulative question

But her emotionless answer... "Yes, I'll press the armageddon button." Truly frightening!

The fact UK's ridiculous mainstream media & pathetic oligarchs are publicly & proudly peddling nuclear war is a sad testament of where the empire's demonic hive brain is

We have to push back against these nutjobs before they drag us all down with them, imo

[42]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by 42 (here)
"With the weapons they're equipped and designed to carry, they could do just about anything in Ukraine and after they'd done their job there'd be very little left on the ground at all."

Including, i assume, women, children and all those who are not "Nazis?"

I was describing their capability.

As Alexander Mercouris often says, the Kremlin doesn't share Russia's military plans with me.

Apparently not.

[Mashika]

Posted by 42 (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by 42 (here)
"With the weapons they're equipped and designed to carry, they could do just about anything in Ukraine and after they'd done their job there'd be very little left on the ground at all."

Including, i assume, women, children and all those who are not "Nazis?"

I was describing their capability.

As Alexander Mercouris often says, the Kremlin doesn't share Russia's military plans with me.

Apparently not.

Neither does the UkroNazis share their actual actions and plans with you, so it seems

I wonder if you can actually point with very hard facts and evidence, where and when what you are not saying but clearly believe, has happened?

Would be interesting to see if you can, or if you are going to post partial fakes as the usual ones the sorry excuse for human beings down there in Ukraine usually post only to later 'forget' as soon as the truth is uncovered

So, can i hope for you to post something interesting for us to see? There must be something that no one can't debunk, right?

See this one for example, they trust your blindness and sheer dumb hope so much they could not care less to show themselves occupying a school, and then later denying they use schools as military bases

https://t.me/denazi_UA/18931


Are you going to look away? This is a hard fact, they posted it themselves

[Mashika]

And just for the record, a giant reply full of excuses or reasonings is not needed or expected

I want a simple thing

Post irrefutable evidence, in the form of videos or pictures that have not been debunked or proven to be misleading, don't post words

This thread is full of evidence of the crimes of the UkroNazi state, no one comes here and shows evidence of the contrary, and the few that come, do a lot of shameless dumb excusing and never, not even once, have tried to prove or debunk with hard evidence

There has to be some, right? Since the people come here very sure of their beliefs, so let's see that evidence

No one is saying Russia is a saint state, there's always something, but we want to see, i want to see, for once, someone coming here with real hard facts and not just the same boring dumb strategy of talking and never showing anything then running away

I'm about completely fed up of the same dumb/mediocre beating around the bushes, can we act like adults for once? Speak up your mind or say nothing at all

So, let's see it

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by 42 (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by 42 (here)
"With the weapons they're equipped and designed to carry, they could do just about anything in Ukraine and after they'd done their job there'd be very little left on the ground at all."

Including, i assume, women, children and all those who are not "Nazis?"

I was describing their capability.

As Alexander Mercouris often says, the Kremlin doesn't share Russia's military plans with me.

Apparently not.

Do please explain what you meant by that. I can see it was sarcastic, but the intent was lost on me... could you maybe say a little more?

[...aside, in case it's helpful...]
If you'd like to discuss the morality or otherwise of war (and everything that often accompanies it), there's this thread, where there's a very intelligent, interesting and fast-moving discussion in progress. Maybe you might like to post some thoughts there?

• Is War Ever Necessary or Justified?

I've made one post on that thread, which was this one. I felt I offered a few reasonable thoughts.