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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    Replying to Exomatrix’s query:

    To generate among the collaborating Western populations understanding and sympathy for a "defensive" first tactical nuclear strike ? -- while making the demonstrable attribution to any specific Nato party difficult (cf. similar strikes made by the Entity on Syrian military installations.)

    A question for the Saker, maybe..
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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    Quote Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
    • Russian Marines destroy 43 Ukrainian 24th Mechanized Brigade Tank near Kherson!:
    • Russian UAVs and Grenades Destroy 87 Ukrainian Soldiers in Forest Area!:

    • Russian Army Blast 65 Ukrainian M777 Howitzer in Kherson!:


    Kind a weird to see a Pro Nato Pro Ukrainian sharing these videos, they even say: "Enemy Forces" destroyed Ukrainian Nato Weaponry .... etc. etc.
    • There are so much more Pro-Nato Pro-Ukrainian videos openly admitting their losses!
    See for yourself here ... I wonder why they do that ... anyone?

    cheers,
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    The three selected movies are all jibberish.

    All disassociated references, confusing direction, terrible participle abuse of the english grammar, unsuitable for factual research. Rewriting history by the loser.

    Am surprised they passed your scrutiny John?

    Did you also hear the Nordstream pipeline is in actual fact open too

    The russians will probably be in place by the end of the month with their new campaign, so much is happening daily.
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    NATO should give Ukraine ‘everything we have’ – member state
    While Lithuania doesn’t have enough weapons to donate, Foreign Minister Gabrielius Landsbergis thinks everyone else should

    NATO countries should arm Ukraine with all available weapons, Lithuanian Foreign Minister Gabrielius Landsbergis told Ukrainian media on Saturday. However, he expects the alliance’s other members to foot the bill.

    “Ukraine needs ‘everything we have,’” Landsbergis told Ukrinform, arguing that the Ukrainian military is already capable of working with the alliance’s arsenal now that its troops are receiving training in multiple European countries.

    While the US has supplied Ukraine with increasingly powerful weaponry, some of its NATO allies have balked at handing over certain arms systems. Germany, for example, refuses to send its most modern Leopard II main battle tanks for fear of causing further escalation. Even in Washington, Pentagon officials have argued that Ukrainian troops would need substantial training to operate Western tanks.

    Landsbergis insisted that “these arguments no longer work,” after a series of successful offenses by Kiev’s forces, which are increasingly armed with NATO weapons.

    “If this is so, I see no reason why Ukraine should not be given everything we have?” the minister said. “I have already said this many times and now I will say it again.”

    Landsbergis has emerged as one of the most vocally anti-Russian ministers in the EU in the months since Moscow sent its forces into Ukraine. He has threatened Lithuanian entertainers with reprisals for performing in Russia, supported an EU-wide ban on all visas for Russians, and called on NATO to pursue the military defeat of Russia rather than seek a negotiated settlement to the Ukraine conflict.

    However, his own military has little to give Ukraine. Landsbergis told Ukrinform that he would only provide “political arguments” for arming Kiev’s forces, as Lithuania does not have its own “significant stockpile of weapons.”

    While Ukraine has repeatedly called for more and heavier weapons from the West, EU stockpiles are running low, with Germany’s stocks already exhausted as of early September. Although US President Joe Biden has vowed to keep the arms pipeline open for “as long as it takes,” the US is reportedly cautious about delivering more advanced weapons systems.

    Russian President Vladimir Putin said last week that Russia is now facing “the entire Western military machine” in Ukraine. Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has also warned that “the US, in fact, is teetering on the brink of turning into a party to the conflict” due to its lavish assistance to Kiev.

    https://www.rt.com/russia/564314-lit...apons-ukraine/

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    Kiev amasses troops on Donbass border – official

    Ukraine has sent a lot of manpower and hardware to the area, the LPR’s head representative in Moscow has warned

    Kiev has deployed some 40,000 troops to the border with the Lugansk People’s Republic (LPR), which recently became part of Russia, the LPR's top representative in Moscow, Rodion Miroshnik, has said.

    “In the areas where attempts of a breakthrough are being made [by Kiev's forces], large quantities of manpower and hardware have been concentrated on the Ukrainian side,” Miroshnik said during an appearance on the Soloviev Live program on YouTube on Friday.

    According to estimates by the LPR’s forces, “we’re talking about 40,000 men,” the official added.

    Kiev’s troops have been gathering to the north and northwest of the LPR, as well as in the area around the town of Krasny Liman in the Donetsk People’s Republic, from where Russian forces withdrew a week ago amid a Ukrainian offensive, Miroshnik added.

    On Wednesday, President Vladimir Putin signed into law unification treaties with the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics, as well as Kherson and Zaporozhye Regions, officially making them part of Russia. The four territories overwhelmingly supported the move during referendums in late September.

    Russia sent troops into Ukraine on February 24, citing Kiev’s failure to implement the Minsk agreements, designed to give the regions of Donetsk and Lugansk special status within the Ukrainian state. The protocols, brokered by Germany and France, were first signed in 2014. Former Ukrainian President Pyotr Poroshenko has since admitted that Kiev’s main goal was to use the ceasefire to buy time and “create powerful armed forces.”

    In February 2022, the Kremlin recognized the Donbass republics as independent states and demanded that Ukraine officially declare itself a neutral country that will never join any Western military bloc. Kiev insists the Russian offensive was completely unprovoked.

    https://www.rt.com/russia/564289-ukr...ops-miroshnik/

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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    Quote Posted by Snoweagle (here)
    Quote Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
    • Russian Marines destroy 43 Ukrainian 24th Mechanized Brigade Tank near Kherson!
    • Russian UAVs and Grenades Destroy 87 Ukrainian Soldiers in Forest Area!:
    • Russian Army Blast 65 Ukrainian M777 Howitzer in Kherson!:
    Kind a weird to see a Pro Nato Pro Ukrainian sharing these videos, they even say: "Enemy Forces" destroyed Ukrainian Nato Weaponry .... etc. etc.

    • There are so much more Pro-Nato Pro-Ukrainian videos openly admitting their losses!

    See for yourself here ... I wonder why they do that ... anyone?

    cheers,
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    The three selected movies are all jibberish.

    All disassociated references, confusing direction, terrible participle abuse of the english grammar, unsuitable for factual research. Rewriting history by the loser.

    Am surprised they passed your scrutiny John?

    Did you also hear the Nordstream pipeline is in actual fact open too

    The russians will probably be in place by the end of the month with their new campaign, so much is happening daily.

    I did not claim nor assume any "accuracy" I just found it really weird how a Pro Ukranian Pro Nato YT channel share their losses from Russian attacks ... that's all.
    No need to follow anyone, only consider broadening (y)our horizon of possibilities ...

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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    Quote Posted by Michel Leclerc (here)
    Replying to Exomatrix’s query:

    To generate among the collaborating Western populations understanding and sympathy for a "defensive" first tactical nuclear strike ? -- while making the demonstrable attribution to any specific Nato party difficult (cf. similar strikes made by the Entity on Syrian military installations.)

    A question for the Saker, maybe..
    Agreed. "Muddying the water" of facts. Rancid evil.

    It would not surprise me if a nuke event took place in the west, by a device already in place. Self inflicted.

    I suppose the game plan for that is already prepped by the Deep State media.

    There's something new everyday.

    The exposure continues.

    This is why it was weird.

    CENSORING IN THE EU APPROVED

    https://rumble.com/v1n5lno-censoring...-approved.html

    The lady sums it up very well.
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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    An interesting photo, the best I've seen, showing the damage to the Kerch Bridge.



    There's still some informed, interesting debate about exactly what happened, how and why. It's spectacular and dramatic, of course, and all about PR, but militarily it's trivial and with rail and road transport already restored it will make almost no difference of any kind.

    There are far more important things happening on the battlefield right now (the almost certain imminent capture by the Russians of Bakhmut, a key strategic tipping point), and the Nord Stream pipeline sabotage, not nearly as photogenic as a damaged bridge but geopolitically and economically infinitely more critical.
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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    Full video of the Kerch Bridge being blown up:

    The source is the New York Times

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    https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/st...70574654554112


    https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/st...72353614098434



    https://www.thefirstnews.com/article...two-years-6714

    The article is from July 2019
    Over 100,000 slaughtered with axes, pitchforks, scythes and knives: The Wołyń massacre started 76 years ago today and lasted for two years

    Polish victims of a massacre committed by the Ukrainian Insurgent Army in the village of Lipniki, Wołyń, 1943.
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    Today marks 76 years since the coordinated attack by Ukrainian nationalists on 99 Polish towns and villages in Wołyń.

    Between 1943 and 1945, members of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army massacred thousands of Poles throughout Wołyń, a region that was in Nazi-occupied Poland and is part of present-day Ukraine.

    Throughout the period, it is estimated that around 100,000 Poles died at the hands of Ukrainian nationalists. As part of retaliatory actions, Poles killed between 15,000 and 20,000 Ukrainians.

    On June 16th, 1944, the UPA attacked a train carrying women and children. Few survived.
    IPN

    The killings were directly linked with radical Ukrainian nationalist Stepan Bandera’s Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists and its military arm, the Ukrainian Insurgent Army.

    Their goal was to purge all non-Ukrainians from a future Ukrainian state. They wanted not only to purge Polish civilians, but also to erase all traces of Polish presence in the area.

    The prelude to the murders of the Polish population in Wołyń was carried out on 9 February 1943 by a unit of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army, which murdered 173 Poles in the village of Parośla I by tying up the victims and slaughtering them with axes.

    Ukrainian attacks against Poles intensified on 11 July 1943. At the crack of dawn that day Ukrainian insurgent detachments, supported by local Ukrainians, simultaneously surrounded and attacked 99 Polish villages in the Kowel, Włodzimierz Wołyński, Horochów and Łuck districts. The Ukrainians ruthlessly slaughtered Polish civilians and destroyed their homes.

    Villages were burned to the ground and property was looted. Researchers estimate that on that day alone the number of Polish victims may have amounted to some 8,000 people, mostly women, children, and the elderly.

    The genocidal massacre carried out on that day has gone down in history under the name of Bloody Sunday, and it was undoubtedly one of the darkest chapters of the Wołyń Crime.

    In 2011, archaeologists found human remains of around 300 people at a collective grave in the village of Ostówek in Ukraine where they were massacred in 1943 by the UPA.
    Darek Delmanowicz/PAP

    This coordinated operation lasted until July 16th, but the massacres still continued. In July 1943 alone, 530 Polish villages were cleared of their residents and burned. Only a minority managed to escape.

    A new wave of massacres took place in early 1944 that took advantage of the withdrawal of the German army.

    Between 1943 and 1945, Poles were murdered in 1865 in places in Wołyń. The biggest massacres took place in Wola Ostrowiecka, where 628 Poles were murdered, in Gaj – 600, in Ostrówki – 521 and Kolodno – 516.

    Laying a wreath at the Wołyń monument in Warsaw today, President Andrzej Duda said: “If we are talking today about the building of relations between our nations, between the Polish and Ukrainian people, between our states - and let me stress here, that we want (...) these to be the best possible relations - there is one thing known for sure. We need remembrance so that what happened then, will never repeat itself between our nations and our people.”
    Tomasz Gzell/PAP

    The murders were committed with incredible cruelty. Many were burnt alive or thrown into wells. Axes, pitchforks, scythes, knives and other farming tools rather than guns were used in an attempt to make the massacres look like a spontaneous peasant uprising.

    In the blood frenzy, the Ukrainians tortured their victims with unimaginable bestiality. Victims were scalped. They had their noses, lips and ears cut off. They had their eyes gouged out and hands cut off and they had their heads squashed in clamps. Woman had their breasts cut off and pregnant woman were stabbed in the belly. Men had their genitals sliced off with sickles.

    In the opinion of the historian Prof. Grzegorz Motyka, an expert on Polish-Ukrainian issues, “although the anti-Polish action was an ethnic cleansing, it also meets the definition of genocide”.

    Wołyń is a region that was in Nazi-occupied Poland and is now part of present-day Ukraine.
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    To commemorate the massacre, in 2016 the Polish parliament instituted the National Day of Remembrance of the Victims of Genocide committed by Ukrainian nationalists against citizens of the Second Republic of Poland, at the same time labelling the massacres an act of genocide.

    Laying a wreath at the Wołyń Massacre memorial in Warsaw today, President Andrzej Duda said that Poland wanted Polish-Ukrainian relations to be as good as possible.

    "If we are talking today about the building of relations between our nations, between the Polish and Ukrainian people, between our states - and let me stress here, that we want (...) these to be the best possible relations - there is one thing known for sure. We need remembrance so that what happened then, will never repeat itself between our nations and our people.”

    The killings were directly linked with radical Ukrainian nationalist Stepan Bandera’s Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists and its military arm, the Ukrainian Insurgent Army.
    Public domain

    He added: "The Ukrainian side should permit the exhumations, which are necessary to mark the graves, so that the descendants (of victims) can know the places, where they can go to light a candle. And this is the condition under which the massacre could be commemorated in Volhynia.”

    "Last year, I paid homage to the victims in Volhynia, where once there were Polish villages and towns, where people were murdered, and where nearly nothing has been left after these terrible developments. That is why last year a wreath was laid simply on a field, where once there were Polish farms.”
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    Published in Global Orthodox back in June of this year here are interviews that Father Joseph Gleason conducted with refugees from Ukraine.

    As it was linked by Eva Bartlett via her Telegram channel I think it appropriate to at least mention this by way of a foreword that Eva has shared:
    "...As you know, the West has been lying about Russia for around 1000 years now. So it’s nothing new. Anti-Russian propaganda is as old as the Great Schism. A lot of it is no doubt deliberate. And, sadly, a lot more of it is probably not deliberate — no doubt, a lot of American sources are probably just parroting *other* American sources, assuming that they are correct (even though they are not).

    On top of that, Russian sources are being actively censored and blocked from the eyes of the American public. So innocent readers look at a lot of different sources (all with the same bias), figure that "all" the sources are saying the same thing, and conclude that they must be correct. This is how Western propaganda works.

    I have personally interviewed some refugees from Donbass, who tell a different story
    :"
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    Escaping Ukraine, Fleeing to Russia, Three Refugee Families Interviewed by American Orthodox Priest - June 17th, 2022



    _______________________________________

    Sergei & Liya, with their children Evgeny and Ekaterina, were living in Volnovakha, a town of over 20,000 people in the Donbass region of Ukraine. They had been present for the referendum, when nearly 90% of the region's residents voted to cut ties with Ukraine. They survived the Maidan revolution of 2014 and the eight years of military hostilities that followed afterwards. In February 2022, when Russian troops entered the area to liberate the region from the neverending Ukrainian attacks, the Ukrainian military responded with even heavier shelling of the area. This family's hometown has now been almost completely destroyed.

    Sergei & Liya needed a safe place for their family to live, and they didn't want to stay in the Donbass region any longer. Now refugees, they made the decision to settle in Russia. They came to Yaroslavl, one of the key cities in Russia's Golden Ring.

    This is where I met them, in a village not far from Yaroslavl. Finally able to sleep at night, no longer waking up to the sounds of shelling and gunfire, they seemed peaceful, content. Sergei and Liya proceeded to tell me what their life had been like, while still living in the Donbass region:

    Liya: Our family, of course, didn't live through all the horrors that touched the residents of Mariupol and Volnovakha. You could say we were lucky. Despite this, it was still very scary, and we finally decided to leave.

    Fr. Joseph: Is it still dangerous there?

    Liya: Yeah, there's still shots flying over there.

    Sergei: The shots and misslles keep flying over the town of Volnovakha. They tell us when people die. Just on Monday some reports said that two or three were hit, other reports say four people are dead. And all the time there are strikes...


    Sergei & Liya, with their children Evgeny and Ekaterina

    Fr. Joseph: How long has it been dangerous to be there? Just recently, or for many years?

    Sergei: It was dangerous in 2014, when the Ukrainian soldiers were riding APCs through the village, with machine guns sticking out in every direction.

    Fr. Joseph: Before Maidan, before 2014, was Ukraine a peaceful place to live?

    Sergei: Yes, relatively safe.

    Fr. Joseph: So the danger did not only begin in February this year.

    Liya: In addition, we can say that we were there for the referendum, for the independence of the Donestk and Lugansk republics. We saw it, and there were a lot of people. There were just endless crowds in every locality. In our particular region, only about 13 percent were against it, and all the rest were for it, it was close to ninety percent. Meanwhile, the Ukrainian news claimed that there was no referendum. Later, they claimed that there was one, but that no one came, and that everyone was against it. That’s what I heard on the news, but I saw what was really happening, I was involved myself. I saw it, and I told my children not to leave the house at that time, because it was dangerous.

    Fr. Joseph: And that was in 2014.

    Liya: Yes, 2014.

    Fr. Joseph: So, the trouble didn't start this year, the trouble started in 2014. Now, was it only difficult for that one year, or did it continue to be dangerous and troublesome all the way up until this year?

    Liya: The bottom line here is this. For everyone who was involved in politics, it was more dangerous for them, and the danger built up gradually over time. The Maidan revolution happened in 2014. And what we saw in 2014 was a group of people making a mess — the same group that is making it a mess today. They say, "It's all about freedom, everything will be fine, we're for freedom, we're with the EU." All right, you go to the EU, and we will go to Russia. But no, they said you can't go to Russia.

    And so when they were leaving, I was working for a company, and they offered for me to go to Austria. I said, I'm not going to Austria, because I would then have to leave my husband and son in Ukraine, so I'm not going through Ukraine. "All right, go through Russia." I said, I won't go through Russia either, I'll stay in Russia. "Why? You understand if you live in Russia with your family, there won't be a future for your children." I asked why? "Because now in Europe, Russian students and those who live in Russia, even if they are not Russian by passport, they are kicked out — there was one particular girl in the EU, and just because she was Russian, they wouldn't let her go to school." I told them that I don't want to live in a society where these things are happening, because that is Nazism itself.

    Fr. Joseph: So, what was your reaction whenever Russian troops actually entered your country? Were you thinking this is a terrible thing, or were you thinking this is a good thing? Were you thinking it would be better if it had never happened? What is your reaction to the military operation?

    Liya: We have been waiting eight years for something like this, because when it all started in 2014, we thought our people would be supported. We thought we would go through this once, and then we would all be in Russia. And yet it was dragging on for eight years, Ukraine kept screaming that the slightest thing, any problem anywhere, was all because of "Putin", it was all because of "the Russians". We were so tired of it that we were already waiting for the horrible end, rather than there being no end in sight. They kept testing Russia. Around the twentieth of February this year, shots were being heard on our territory, that is from us, from our side, from Ukraine in the Donetsk Republic. My daughter was at home, and I was scared to let her go. I said, "Stay at home, because something serious is going on." And indeed, on the twenty-fourth we woke up to the sound of gunshots. To say that it was some kind of horror - no, more like astonishment, "O God, really, finally the truth?"

    Fr. Joseph: So you're basically saying the military operation didn't just start in February, but has been going on ever since 2014.

    Sergei: We've heard these bursts all the time, we've seen the occasional glow of shelling, so for us, we're kind of used to it.

    Liya: We didn't even pay attention to it.

    Fr. Joseph: For the sake of readers in America and in England, how would you describe the connection between Russian history and Ukrainian history? Are they different in the same way that Germany is different from England, and France is different from Italy? Are Russians and Ukrainians distinct peoples with separate histories, languages, and cultures?

    Liya: Look, the history of Ukraine and Russia is so intertwined that it's hard to separate it. Even Kiev is called the mother of all Russian cities. How does one divide it? Even considering the current territory of Ukraine today, there have been such movements of people, such mixing, that I can't even say who has what nationality.

    Fr. Joseph: It's a tricky subject, yes.

    Liya: I'd probably say that Russia and Ukraine have one history, because if you try to divide it up, then each province would have a different history. What's actually much different is Western Ukraine. When they speak Ukrainian, you know, then we have "two" languages — not one Ukrainian language, but essentially two. Sometimes we match and we understand each other. And there are a lot of different words, so there are times that we don't understand them. They're probably more like a dialect of Russian to us. Of course, they are more Catholic and Western, while we are Orthodox.

    Again, it's more of a political thing, this one, Philaret [Denisenko], what's the right way to call him... metropolitan, yes. Yes, he is a schismatic, he was anathematized, but, read the history of his activities, it is very politicized. What horrified me, when Maidan started, after Maidan, when there was fighting, he stood, it was shown on TV, he stood in front of people, in church, and said, "Don't feel sorry for those people who are in Donbass. You don't have to feel sorry for them." They're being shelled, and then here is a metropolitan, a priest speaking. We look at it with our own eyes as a clergyman says these things. And people are listening and nodding, "Yeah, that's it, that means it's right." This "priest" [Philaret] is scary. There is an Alley of Angels in Donetsk, yes, there are names, pictures, of children who died. It turns out they deserved it, according to him.

    Fr. Joseph: So, there are some people in the West who try to present the Ukrainian Orthodox Church as if it is oppressed and under the control of Moscow, and as if they need freedom from that. Patriarch Bartholomew claims, as you know, that he had the authority to take Ukraine away from the Moscow Patriarchate, and he started this new thing called the "Orthodox Church of Ukraine". So now they claim that the church in Ukraine is free, because now Ukraine can have its own national church that's not connected in any way to Russia. How do you feel about these claims made by Patriarch Bartholomew and by many people in the West?

    Liya: Well, frankly, it seems to me that people in Ukraine who think they are fighting for freedom, including the Ukrainian church, they don't understand what freedom is. To them, "freedom" is to follow the West. That is, it is essentially to sit at the post of the master. I don't consider it freedom. Real freedom is independence, real independence. Because, we lean toward Russia not because it has better living conditions, or favorable conditions, or some other reason, but because we consider ourselves to be one people. I mean, that's what it's all about.

    Fr. Joseph: So, for religion, for the Orthodox Church, do you feel like Patriarch Bartholomew and this new Ukrainian church [the "Orthodox Church of Ukraine"], do you think it has helped things, or has it made them worse?

    Liya: Well, of course it has made things worse. But tell me, in America, in the Protestant church, among Protestant clergy, how do they feel about this LGBT movement and homosexuality? How do they react to it?

    Fr. Joseph: So, there are many thousands of different Protestants. So many different opinions. Sadly, some of the bigger Protestant churches have decided to agree with LGBT. And so, in some of the churches, you will have a Lesbian "priestess" or a homosexual "pastor" of a church, and it's horrible. But, there are also many churches in America that are Protestant, where they say this is terrible. They say, "We should not accept this. Marriage is only between one man and one woman." And so they're teaching better things. There are just so many different kinds of Protestants in America. So you have both. It's confusion. A lot of confusion.

    Liya: Yeah, we keep forgetting that Protestantism goes in so many different directions. For us, there's Orthodoxy, there's Catholics, and there's Protestants. And it keeps slipping our minds that Protestantism is so multi-faceted.

    Fr. Joseph: They think the only truth is "I, myself."

    Liya: Yes, yes, yes.

    _____________________________________________

    Next, I spoke with Andrey, Natalia, and their nine children, who were living in Berdyansk, by the sea of Azov.



    Andrey: We are from Zaporizhzhia region, from the city of Berdyansk, on the Sea of Azov. We had our own plans for life. I worked in construction. I even spent some time in Poland . . . I saw the Western model, how they see the world, and how they think. Even though Poland is not as messed up yet [as other Western countries], I still saw the LGBT community loyalty. Of course, for a normal person, such things are unacceptable.

    I remember when the hostilities began. Initially, we didn’t run anywhere, we weren't hiding in basements, I don't know, we were calm inside, and just watching how it was... We lived near the sea, right near the port, and a Russian ship was blown up five hundred meters away from us. A lot of people died there, one hundred and fifty people wounded were brought to the hospital, ammunition was fired, and it kept on going for two days. There were other warships there that were damaged too. The anxiety was there... then they cut off our gas.

    We were sitting there with no lights, no gas, cold.

    Yeah, then they turned it off altogether, the whole town switched to electricity, and then the power grid couldn't handle it anymore. We had a big gas tank there, I made a stove in the barn, you know, we have a big family, we needed some source of heating. Then we got electricity, we had an electric oven and we baked bread there.

    I went to fetch water from the store. We have no such water in town, we only have store-bought, purified water. I go in, and there is bread in the store. Well, my wife was sitting in the car, so I took two loaves. Good thing I had a certificate showing that I have a large family, I carried it with me all the time.

    So I go to the cash register, and there's a guy who runs up and says, "Well, whose two loaves of bread did you take?" I said, "What do you mean? I have a big family, so I got two." He says, "No!" and rips it right out of my hand, but it's the shopkeeper. He took the bread right out of my hands. I said, "Are you a normal person? There's my wife sitting right there in the car." He says, "No, put it down," and that's it. And then I showed him my document.

    So, there are people standing in lines for bread, and people are angry. I would like to say that this time of hardship shows who is who in this world.

    Fr. Joseph: Why did you decide to bring your family to Russia?

    Andrey: In Ukraine, when people disagree with what the authorities are doing, they are dealt with by the SBU (Security Service of Ukraine). They just come and take a person away, and that’s it. Nobody knows where he is.

    The regime, the power omnipresent, the first thing it did was remove the opposition — information channels that were covering certain aspects of society. That was the first signal that the state was becoming authoritarian, and nothing good would come of it. It's not democracy anymore. Although, if we talk about democracy, the democracy of Western countries is not democracy either. It's also authoritarianism. And as a result, we have come to war — to a war that is taking people's lives.

    Fr. Joseph: So, once the fighting stops, what is your hope for the future? Do all of you want to go back to Ukraine where you were, or are you wanting to stay here?

    Andrey: If we ever went back, it would only be to visit. When we were there last, there was an explosion at 2:30 in the morning, and that was it — we were done. We got our backpacks ready, we packed everything. As we decided to reconsider our options of where to move, we turned our attention to Yaroslavl. We started looking at the region, looking at how it's doing economically, how it's doing culturally, and how much development is going on there. We saw that it really is a really good region, plus it's in the golden ring.

    Everything was already arranged for us in advance. We were met by people by minibus at night. We were picked up, brought to a hotel, slept there overnight, and cleaned up in the morning. The car came again, another one. We were taken to the canteen, we had breakfast, everything was organized for us, and the United Russia deputy in Yaroslavl — Anton Anatolievich Kopralov — is a very nice man. He organized everything for us. And thank goodness, everything is wonderful, it’s hard to complain. We're starting to work a little bit, we're earning money. It’s a good experience.

    -----------------------------

    A further comment from Father Joseph Gleason:
    "I personally know Eva Bartlett, a journalist from Canada, who is currently present in Donbass. I have met her in person. She has visited my family in my house here in Russia. Currently, she sends daily reports from the Donbass area. Her Reality Theories Telegram channel has nearly 30,000 subscribers. She shares photos and videos from directly onsite. She shows that the Ukrainian military has been brutalizing its own people, and that the majority of local people are very grateful to have the Russian military liberate them and protect them. Eva, too, has been villianized by the Western media.

    Add everything up, and I agree that there is a lot of propaganda out there. I just don’t think it’s coming from Russia...."
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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    https://tass.com/politics/1519997?ut...m_social_share

    Putin to hold Security Council meeting on October 10 - Kremlin

    Dmitry Peskov did not specify whether the situation with the Crimean bridge would be discussed at the meeting

    MOSCOW, October 9. /TASS/. Russian President Vladimir Putin will hold an operational meeting with the permanent members of the Security Council on Monday, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told TASS.

    "Tomorrow the President is scheduled to hold a meeting with the permanent members of the Security Council," he said.

    Peskov did not specify whether the situation with the Crimean bridge would be discussed at the meeting. "We'll let you know following the results [of the meeting]," he said.

    On Saturday morning, a truck exploded on the Crimean Bridge, collapsing two eastbound parts of its road section and subsequently setting ablaze a train of fuel tanks on a separate, adjacent rail portion of the bridge. As a result of the blast, three people were killed. A government commission chaired by Russian Deputy Prime Minister Marat Khusnullin was set up after the incident. Rail traffic has been restored on the bridge, which was also partly reopened for buses and automobiles.

    Putin regularly holds operational meetings with the Security Council, as a rule they a held on a weekly basis.
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    https://tass.com/politics/1519949

    About 5,000 Polish mercenaries amassed at Zaporozhye engagement line, says official

    They are present at the most important and necessary sections of the combat engagement line, chairman of the We Are Together with Russia movement Vladimir Rogov said
    MOSCOW, October 9. /TASS/. The number of Polish mercenaries amassed at the engagement line in the Zaporozhye Region amounts to 5,000 militants, Vladimir Rogov, chairman of the We Are Together with Russia movement, said in a live broadcast on the Komsomolskaya Pravda radio station on Sunday.

    "If we speak about Poles, there are apparently several thousands of them at the Zaporozhye engagement line in terms of their number," he said.

    "It is understandable that they are not at the forefront. That is, they are present only at the most important and necessary sections of the combat engagement line, the frontline, but, nonetheless, their number reaches already 5,000 in the Zaporozhye Region, according to various estimates," Rogov said.
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    Here's a charming piece of film about Father Joseph Gleason who I mentioned a little earlier here in this post:



    Fr. Joseph Gleason, an American priest who relocated to Russia with his wife and eight children. Father Joseph runs the Russian Faith website (https://russian-faith.com/orthodox-c...ld-order-n3982), aiding those who are exploring the faith. Unlike in the Catholic church, Orthodox priests are allowed to marry and have a family.
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