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    https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/st...83067055267840


    https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/st...85320579633153


    https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/st...92080103190528
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    https://twitter.com/SputnikInt/statu...00904881070080



    https://sputniknews.com/20221019/us-...medium=twitter

    US May Be Compelled to Answer Questions on Biolabs in Ukraine, This Time at UNSC

    The issue of US biolabs in Ukraine has once again received wide international publicity. On October 18, Belarus, Venezuela, Zimbabwe, China, Cuba, Nicaragua, Syria, and Russia called for invoking Article VI of the Biological Weapons Convention (BWC) because of US military and biological activities in Ukraine.



    Article VI of the Biological Weapons Convention allows states-parties to lodge a complaint with the United Nations Security Council if they suspect a breach of treaty obligations by another state. In the event of such a development, the United States, as a state-party to the convention, would be obliged to cooperate in any investigation that may be initiated by the UNSC.
    Chinese experts interviewed by Sputnik believe that if the US has nothing to hide, it should provide a comprehensive explanation.

    In early March 2022, the Russian Ministry of Defense released information indicating that the United States was deploying an extensive biological research program in Ukraine. According to the Russian Defense Ministry, the US has spent more than $200 million on 46 biological laboratories in Ukraine that participated in the US military biological program.
    According to Lt. Gen. Igor Kirillov, chief of the Radiation, Chemical and Biological Protection Forces of the Russian Armed Forces, one of the priority tasks of the Ukrainian laboratories was to collect and send to the United States strains of pathogens of dangerous infectious diseases - cholera, anthrax, tularemia, and others. At the same time, the transportation of the pathogens was not controlled within the WHO, BWC, or other international institutions, and various biological agents and substances were tested on Ukrainian military personnel, indigent citizens, and patients of mental hospitals.
    According to Russia, the United States, under the guise of scientific activities and efforts to improve laboratory security systems, has been developing biological weapons in Ukraine.
    According to data obtained by the Russian MoD from Ukrainian officials, traces of US activities were partially destroyed on the day the Russian special military operation was launched, and many pathogens were removed from the country, indicating that the US intends to continue research outside the country. Indirectly, this was also indicated by the words of US Under Secretary of State Victoria Nuland. During a March 8 hearing of the US Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, she reported on the presence of biosafety research facilities in Ukraine. She expressed concern about the possibility that these biolaboratories and materials stored there might come under the control of the Russian Armed Forces.
    The US subsequently denied any connection between the laboratories and the Pentagon. However, according to Yang Mian, a professor at the Institute of International Relations, Communication University of China, the very existence of such laboratories raises questions:
    "Russia says that it has found many US biolaboratories in Ukraine near Russia's borders, some of which were researching infectious diseases. The US denied the accusations, saying that they were engaged in scientific research. Outside observers have every reason to ask: Why did the US set up so many laboratories around Russia? The US could have conducted research on these diseases internally as well as externally. Therefore, this situation is suspicious one way or another," he said.

    According to the Chinese Foreign Ministry, the US Department of Defense controls 336 biolaboratories in 30 countries around the world. In this regard, the issue of US-led biological research is of great concern to China, and this information provided by the Russian Ministry of Defense immediately resonated in the country.
    "China has always demanded that the United States disclose the purpose and role of its own biological experiments. China's concern could greatly increase international attention to this issue, as well as increasing pressure on the United States. China is very concerned about the safety of human life. Regarding this issue, China believes that the United States has a responsibility and should give a transparent and open report to the world," Yang Mian explained.
    According to the expert, what is most suspicious is the ambiguous actions of the United States, and the attempts to “cover up the issue”:
    “Russia is demanding an investigation. Many countries are demanding it. It is imperative, the activities of the US should be investigated. But they are obstructing the investigation in every way possible. If the US is in the clear, then what is there to be afraid of? Many such studies have a dual purpose. The US says it was engaged in scientific research, but couldn't it have been used to create new kinds of weapons? The US should provide evidence and explanations.”
    Lyu Chao, dean of the Institute of American and East Asian Studies at Liaoning University, holds a similar view:
    "The disclosed information about American biolaboratories in Ukraine has alarmed the international community. Therefore, the US has to provide a clear explanation. Better yet, instead of making excuses, it should conduct an international investigation, including one under the auspices of the WHO. This would be even more convincing," Lyu Chao said.
    Both experts were cautious in their assessments and noted that the topic of US biolaboratories in Ukraine requires additional clarification, both in terms of US arguments and scientific expertise. Due to the politicization of the situation, it is unlikely that the United States will agree to provide more clarity and engage in truly open cooperation. Moreover, judging by the experience of the September BWC meeting, where half of the participating countries did not attend, not everyone has the courage to openly question Washington's position. Nevertheless, the current initiative of the eight countries is a case where the Western hegemon does not find itself in its usual role of prosecutor, but in the role of justifying itself. Perhaps the United States will have to answer questions that worry so many countries after all.
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    [url]https://twitter.com/SputnikInt/status/1582800904881070080



    China is very concerned about the safety of human life.
    While yes the US has some explaining to do, saying that China is concerned for human life is a true head scratcher.

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    https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/st...00968302751744
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    2022.10.19 American Hysteria Part I


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    https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1582816354385567744



    https://www.rt.com/business/564967-t...ssian-gas-hub/

    Türkiye reveals decision on Russian gas hub plan

    Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan announced on Wednesday that he had accepted the proposal of his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin, to create an international natural gas hub in Türkiye.

    Addressing the Turkish parliament, Erdogan cited Putin as saying that Europe could obtain Russian gas from a major hub in Türkiye.

    Last week, the two leaders discussed the matter at a face-to-face meeting in the capital of Kazakhstan, Astana. The idea was suggested by the Russian president, who offered to build a major gas hub in Türkiye to handle supplies that had previously been directed to Europe through the Nord Stream 1 pipeline in the Baltic Sea. The pipeline, along with the yet-unused Nord Stream 2 pipeline, was severely damaged in late September in a series of explosions that are widely considered to be the result of sabotage.

    Praising Türkiye as one of “the most reliable” partners for the transit of Russian fuel to Europe, Putin noted that an international gas hub would serve not only as a distribution platform, but could also be used for determining gas prices and avoiding the “politicization” of the issue.

    READ MORE: Saboteurs targeting pipeline to Türkiye captured – Kremlin
    The Kremlin had previously urged Ankara to consider further developing its gas infrastructure after several people were detained for allegedly plotting to sabotage the TurkStream pipeline, which delivers Russian natural gas to Türkiye. According to Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov, the pipeline is now the only “fully functional, fully loaded and working as clockwork route” for Russian gas to reach Europe.
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Snoweagle (here)
    We are days away from a potential nuclear event
    I just wanted to gently step in here and offer my VERY strong opinion that this is not the case, despite a great deal of western media fearmongering and provocative White House saber-rattling.

    I felt I should share my view in case others reading this may be feeling anxious — about something they would be powerless to do anything about. That kind of situation always adds to the worry. There are many things to be concerned about in the world right now, which one CAN mitigate proactively, at least to some extent. Taking action against potential problems, where it's possible, is always the best remedy.

    There's not going to be a nuclear war.

    I love what Bill said here. Part of what would create such an event would be enough people believing the fear mongering news outlets.
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    The American Union, the United States of Europe – too little, too late.

    To the extent that they are "morons" (not my word), they are criminals. Criminally, because wilfully, ignorant. “Why work and learn if I can have a slave?“ The slaves grow smart and they grow muscle.

    To the extent that they are criminals (enjoying the snuff movies called Serbia, Iraq, Libya, Yemen – just to name a few of the latest features –), they are ignorant: the victims always remember – eternally: they reincarnate to take revenge.

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    Quote Posted by Tyy1907 (here)
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Snoweagle (here)
    We are days away from a potential nuclear event
    I just wanted to gently step in here and offer my VERY strong opinion that this is not the case, despite a great deal of western media fearmongering and provocative White House saber-rattling.

    I felt I should share my view in case others reading this may be feeling anxious — about something they would be powerless to do anything about. That kind of situation always adds to the worry. There are many things to be concerned about in the world right now, which one CAN mitigate proactively, at least to some extent. Taking action against potential problems, where it's possible, is always the best remedy.

    There's not going to be a nuclear war.

    I love what Bill said here. Part of what would create such an event would be enough people believing the fear mongering news outlets.
    Each day we either add something to the world or we take away. Bringing love in or fear.
    Bill, Johnny – I agree, to an extent. Nuclear "weapons" (though not missiles) were used in Iraq and Serbia – with tens, hundreds pf thousands of victims of depleted uranium. There are films of very suspect explosions in Syria (and in Yemen if I remember correctly, and maybe even in Lebanon) which appear to be made by tactical nuclear missiles.

    What I am wary of is that such weapons may be used as part of an escalation in the asymmetric warfare – and: "asymmetrically”: Russia is not lead by a psychopath but Yankeestan, Exbritannia and Eurubble are.

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    Quote Posted by Vicus (here)

    Russia Destroys Satellite Uplink Station outside Odessa, Ukraine - all NATO Gear inside



    and has stopped the flow of NATO intelligence to Ukraine's government distribution network. Military planners are no longer able to get real-time intelligence via space satellite communications with NATO!
    Thanks for this.

    This action, short of actually disabling a satellite directly, is a likely battlefield gamechanger. And let's not forget that Russia clearly do have further advanced space-based alternatives that could be deployed, where necessary. (One of the reasons why I don't think nuclear will really come into play in the conflict, unless of course the deranged maniacs in London and Washington decide that that kind of a false flag is a good idea )
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    Quote Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
    https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1582816354385567744



    https://www.rt.com/business/564967-t...ssian-gas-hub/

    Türkiye reveals decision on Russian gas hub plan

    Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan announced on Wednesday that he had accepted the proposal of his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin, to create an international natural gas hub in Türkiye.

    Addressing the Turkish parliament, Erdogan cited Putin as saying that Europe could obtain Russian gas from a major hub in Türkiye.

    Last week, the two leaders discussed the matter at a face-to-face meeting in the capital of Kazakhstan, Astana. The idea was suggested by the Russian president, who offered to build a major gas hub in Türkiye to handle supplies that had previously been directed to Europe through the Nord Stream 1 pipeline in the Baltic Sea. The pipeline, along with the yet-unused Nord Stream 2 pipeline, was severely damaged in late September in a series of explosions that are widely considered to be the result of sabotage.

    Praising Türkiye as one of “the most reliable” partners for the transit of Russian fuel to Europe, Putin noted that an international gas hub would serve not only as a distribution platform, but could also be used for determining gas prices and avoiding the “politicization” of the issue.

    READ MORE: Saboteurs targeting pipeline to Türkiye captured – Kremlin
    The Kremlin had previously urged Ankara to consider further developing its gas infrastructure after several people were detained for allegedly plotting to sabotage the TurkStream pipeline, which delivers Russian natural gas to Türkiye. According to Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov, the pipeline is now the only “fully functional, fully loaded and working as clockwork route” for Russian gas to reach Europe.
    One to keep an eye on, especially if Turkey pegs gas sales to the Turkish lira ₺

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    Scott Ritter and Garland Nixon

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    Quote Posted by Tintin (here)
    let's not forget that Russia clearly do have further advanced.......
    Do they though... could that sentence be finished with anything valid? (from my experience... no).

    I wonder why...

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    The Turkish gambit


    And right on cue, the empire dispatched their economic hitman to Ankara

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    If Turkey does peg their gas sales to the lira, it may give Saudi Arabia dangerous inspiration

    Turkey is such an interesting node in our developing multipolar world

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    Some updates from Eva Bartlett's Telegram channel:

    Subject: the evacuation of citizens from Kherson now that martial law has been imposed - this was covered very clearly by Scott Ritter in his discussion with Garland Nixon posted here (20 minute video)

    https://t.me/Reality_Theories/9556



    The full text:

    Fake news:
    The Russian Armed Forces are planning to surrender Kherson. The full evacuation of the region has been announced. This is reported by telegram channels.

    The fact:
    Authorities in Kherson region recommend (https://t.me/readovkanews/44687) civilians, especially women and children, to leave the city. The reason is the persistent shelling by the Ukrainian armed forces.

    Those who decide to move from Kherson Region will be provided with (https://t.me/breakingmash/39199) housing in any region of Russia if they wish. This was announced by Deputy Prime Minister Marat Khusnullin. They will be given housing certificates to buy it. The amount will be calculated individually for each of them. Geography, type of housing (new building, secondary or whole house) and family structure will be taken into account.

    This does not mean that the Russian Armed Forces plan to surrender Kherson. On the contrary, they plan to turn the city into a fortress. This will allow organizing a more competent defence and minimizing losses on the part of Russian soldiers.

    Unlike the Ukrainian military who were setting up (https://t.me/warfakes/1438) firing points in Mariupol apartment blocks, the Russian ones will not be covered up by civilians. Therefore, civilians are asked to leave the city.

    Military expert Boris Rozhin, said (https://t.me/readovkanews/44687) that the evacuation of civilians under the adopted programmes has been going on for weeks:

    "The front is getting firmer as the Ukrainian Armed Forces keep trying to break through to Berislav and Kherson. We can expect that before the midterm elections in the US the Ukrainian troops will be driven to attack in the Kherson and Zaporizhzhia directions. Therefore, if intelligence has such information, it is better to remove civilians from the upcoming fighting zone in advance," Rozhin wrote.

    --------------------

    https://t.me/Reality_Theories/9562



    My lovely (Russian) neighbours invited me to a concert at their scientists club. These neighbours have several times sent humanitarian aid with me to the Donbass, gathered by they and their friends.

    When they speak of the situation in the Donbass and in Ukraine itself, they do so with compassion. They speak of Ukrainians as their brothers/sisters/relatives.

    During intermission, they toasted to peace.

    This sentiment is, in my experience, the norm here and even in the Donbass under Ukraine's bombs for over 8 years. They differentiate between the extremists/nationalists/Nazis and the ordinary people.

    If you know someone with a rabid hatred for Russians, consider sharing this with them.
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    From Mark Crispin Miller on his Substack account a letter from a son to his mother, and the entry also includes a continuingly and justifiably flabbergasted Colonel Doug Macgregor who appeared on The Dive In earlier this week.

    -------------------

    This is a message that a Russian special forces officer has sent his mother, vis-a-vis the Russian military strategy and its success thus far. It was translated by Russell Bentley, a Texan living (and fighting) in Donetsk, and published with permission from the author.

    Hi, Mom. I am traveling from Tver now, and there’s an opportunity to talk about Putin and his actions as a leader. Clearly, everyone thinks about themselves that they're a great strategist, while observing a fight from the outside… We all imagine from afar, that “if I were him, I’d do this, that, and that”… However, we don’t have all the information. We do not get daily intelligence briefings as to what is happening in all corners of our country, not just in Donbass. Quite powerful players with serious intelligence and technical capabilities are playing against Putin. Ukraine is run by Great Britain and the USA, who provide them with all satellite intelligence. AWACS airplanes fly over the Black Sea and provide full coordinates for all facilities, including oil derricks and soon. So we are being fought against by the collective West and first and foremost the USA and Great Britain. And they would like for Europe to pay for all of this.

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    They wish to solve a few problems at once: to weaken, to reduce the level of influence of Europe, to push Europe as far back from Russia as possible. And it would be desirable to create some kind of a unified country between Europe and Russia arbitrarily called “Anti-Russia”. In order to achieve this, Poland, Ukraine, and the Baltic states must be unified. Currently, they are trying to manipulate the situation in different ways to gradually converge on having the elites of Ukraine and the Baltic states unite with Poland into some kind of a confederation or a federation. They are now quickly rewriting laws in order to allow Polish citizens, officials, prosecutors and others to work in Ukraine without any limitations. The same will now be done in the Baltic States. Lithuania has started acting up by closing the transit way to Kaliningrad, thus provoking Russia to take some actions in response, in order to further convince those, who are still in doubt,that the Baltic states must join this three-way union against Russia at all costs.

    If they manage to drive in such a wedge between Europe and Russia, Europe will stop developing, and her abilities will be reversed. Europe will gradually decline and go broke, while Russia,without contact with Europe, will respectively face certain difficulties, because, while possessing a strong raw material resources base, we won't have access to various technologies that Europeans, namely, the Swiss, the Germans, the Austrians were able to advance in. There was an idea to create a common economic space from Lisbon to the Far East, and as such we would have had a strong geopolitical influence on the Eurasian continent. However, as you see, the British and Americans are taking all possible measures in order to not allow this to happen.

    Clearly, liberating Ukraine from nazism was a forced measure, because it was obvious that they would have carried out their plans on their own very soon. They had prepared their most powerful airplane, Mria, the heavy lifter, at the Gostomel airport to carry out a strike on Rostov-on-Don. That is why our airborne troops landed there, took the “stuffing” out of Mria, and took it to Russia. Those were components of a “dirty” nuclear bomb, that was supposed to be used above Rostov-on-Don. Ukraine had planned to attack Donbass, and Russia was supposed to step in. In fact, the fighting was supposed to take place on the border, because they would have made it to the Russian border in 2-3 days by crushing Donbass, as a very serious force was being concentrated there: 250 thousand armed and trained soldiers.

    In response, Russia would have started an operation to protect Donbass, but this would, in fact, be happening in Russia or on the border between the DNR and Rostov or Belgorod regions. Respectively, Ukraine would be screeching for the world to hear: “We are under attack! Russia has crossed the border!” She would take everything she had to the skies, including the Mria airplane, and strikes Rostov with a dirty bomb, thus destroying the Black Earth region: Rostov, Krasnodar, and Donetsk. The goal was to make sure that Russia couldn’t use these lands to feed herself and others in the future. A fairly serious food crisis is coming up. The conductors of this crisis believe that if the land is poisoned for an extended period of time, for the next 20-30-50 years, then Russia won’t have such a powerful trump card, which is the fact that she supplies half of the world, half of humanity, with bread.


    So, as a result, we started the operation in advance. Of course, perhaps we weren’t entirely prepared for it, but we had no choice. First of all, we took the “stuffing” out of Gostomel, we took everything out of Chernobyl that they tried to do there, and gained control over the Zaporozh’e Nuclear Power Plant. So all the places where they tried to develop their nuclear program were taken under control, (we) took everything out. Further, there was an idea that by surrounding Kiev we would be able to force the Ukrainian elites to rise up in a certain way, as well as the so-called pro-Russian elites, such as Medvedchuk and so on, who could have theoretically led the new and reformed Ukraine. That was plan A.

    However, plan A failed. As is usual with the Khokhols, that 2 out of 3 people are always traitors. The same happened here, as the Kiev elites became scared, became terrified; the West clicked its tongue at them, and that was it. They rolled back,nobody had started any uprising in Kiev, they didn’t bring the keys to Kiev out for us. That’s when plan B went into action. Plan B consisted of the systematic destruction of the entire military infrastructure and the slow and gradual finishing off of the rest of it. Therefore, we rolled back. The troops were pulled back to a friendly territory, where we had no evil rear. We know that those behind us won’t shoot us in the back. We created this powerful “horseshoe”. And we suck all their forces in there, everything that they are willing to throw at us.

    In other words,this is where we are slowly grinding down their military forces. They keep throwing new reinforcements, new weapons in there. The West keeps throwing whatever it can in there. However, we are sustaining much lower losses, considerably lower losses, about an order of magnitude lower as opposed to what we would have been sustaining, had we been advancing on Kiev or Zaporozh’e, as we are slowly and calmly destroying all of their military infrastructure,including attempting to destroy the maximum number of highly trained troops. When only territorial defense forces, consisting of insane people with sticks and machine guns, remain, it will get easier.

    Our next goal will be Nikolaev/Odessa. Ukraine must be cut off from the Black Sea at all costs, because our Black Sea fleet is not safe,as long as Ukraine has access to the Black Sea. And we’ll have access to Transnistria. Transnistria will also be in the safety zone, we’ll protect our people there. And then, more likely than not, it wouldn’t be bad if we could perform a powerful unified advance together with Belarus from two sides, with Belarus from the North and us from the South, from Transnistria to cut Ukraine off its Western border, from Poland and Romania. In other words, to fully block Ukraine from all Western deliveries. That would be the moment,starting with which order could be calmly restored, the elites would be replaced, the blood-suckers that have terrorized Ukraine for the last 8 years would be jailed, and so on.

    Of course, understanding all these plans, the West will play various dirty tricks. They will cause an uproar in Lithuania, may try to pounce on Kaliningrad; they will most likely pounce on Transnistria through Romania (Romanians will creep through Moldova), and Poland will creep onto Ukrainian territory with an ostensibly peacekeeping mission, trying to overtake, to bite off at least the Western regions of Ukraine. Thus,quite serious clashes with the NATO block are possible. Clearly, one must not rush at this point.

    Putin is not throwing the newest weapons (into the battle) at this point, he’s using only old tanks, such as T-62’s, T-70’s, T-80’s. It seems that the T-90“Breakthrough” has now been observed in Donbass. However, it seems to me that only older equipment is being used now, primarily, in order to dispose of it, because disposal is expensive, and secondly because there’s plenty of it to grind through everything that Ukraine is capable of putting against it. However, when the NATO block creeps in, we must have powerful reserves in order to deal with the NATO block in all seriousness.

    Nothing will stop with just Ukraine. This is just the beginning, and a fairly serious mess is in the future. Therefore, all those who are now yelling: “Let’s strike on Kiev now!”, well, yes, perhaps it would be great to do so now, while running on emotions, but that would bring a certain level of chaos into the control (of the operation). In other words, we could destroy the command centers and remove the insane Khokhols. However, as the next step, NATO would have to take action to take control over Ukraine and to start controlling everything on its own, which would make it more difficult for us. Therefore, it’s better to keep dealing with these morons. Let them control these troops, while we are grinding them down. When the time comes, the morons in Kiev will be dealt with. It seems, it’s too early to do so now.

    Therefore, it’s clear that the people of Donbass are suffering, Donetsk is suffering, but these are the last months of their suffering. More likely than not, the stronghold in Avdeevka will be surrounded and destroyed, and Donetsk will be in deep rear, like Mariupol is now. Nobody’s touching or bombing Mariupol now. Donetsk will be liberated some day. Clearly, there are people tired of the war, there are people who hate Russians because they didn’t help in the right way, not quickly enough, not fast enough, but it’s not everyone.

    There’s a certain journalist named Anatoly Shariy, whose people are currently interviewing people in Mariupol and he posts them Youtube. The majority, about 95% of city residents speak of Azov fighters with hatred, they speak about the crimes they committed in the city. There are no words of anger or hate towards Russians, who liberated them. There’s regret that the city was destroyed, that people had lost their apartments, however,in general most people are in high spirits, because the future holds no darkness that was lingering over them. The same will now be felt by people in Melitopol, in Kherson, in Tokmak, in liberated areas. They will see that life in Russia is much more fair, honest, and better than under the rule of nazis. They will have better social safety net programs, better retirement support, they will have a functioning electrical and gas infrastructure, they will not have such high utility bills. As the end result, they will feel that there’s a change for the better, and gradually even the skeptics will calm down.

    For now everyone must remain patient. And one can only wish for Putin to remain patient. He has a very serious and difficult job,because very serious players are up against him, very powerful players, including the domestic fifth column – the bankers, social leaders, the liberal block of the government, and so on. All of them desire to somehow roll back to the past, as “everything was just peachy, everything was fine, we had our palaces, our families, our airplanes, our yachts… What are you doing, Putin, what have you done to us, you cut off our oxygen supply.” Clearly, this is where he’ll have to replace the elites.

    And if that is to be done, it must be gradually done starting now, with the support of the power block, gradually changing the attitudes within the society, in order to bring about a powerful societal demand for change within Russia. And that could result in us actually making it, because this is a war for life or death. We will not be allowed to step aside, saying:“Let’s just leave everything as is, let’s go back to February24th.” The West is on a mission to grind us into a fine powder, rip us to shreds, reduce us to the level where we become completely harmless to them. They deeply regret that they were unable to complete this work during the Yeltsin/Gorbachev era. They had relaxed as they thought they had already won, clapping Yeltsin on the shoulder and laughing at him, thinking that they had Russia in their pocket. And suddenly it became clear that they had made a grave mistake by relaxing too early, by believing in their victory too early. Now they are reaping bitter fruits.

    And we have just two options: return with the shield or on the shield. Either we put them back in their place and eventually mark our borders with red lines, beyond which they cannot stick their noses, or we roll back to the liberal darkness, and that’s when they would obtain another colony to rob for the next 50 years or so, and live prosperously and richly by ransacking our country. Thus, I think, we all need to consolidate and help each other in one way or another. Currently, the All-People’s Front is collecting money on their website, there’s a button to transfer money. People do transfer money. Yesterday an announcement was made at my work,everybody gave what they could, and there were 65 million rubles collected by evening in order to help the armies of Donetsk and Lugansk. This financial support is meant to buy the guys bulletproof vests, necessary weapons, drones and so on, because they are basically a militia. Clearly, the Ministry of Defense provided them with a bit of weapons, some uniforms.

    However, hopefully there are sufficient supplies for our own army, so it’s better that people unite to help. This is how it was during the Great Patriotic War(WWII), people helped to the best of their abilities, worked at factories, and so on. It is the same now. Don’t stay away as if“it’s not our war, (it’s just) somebody fighting somewhere, and we’re going out for coffee and dancing.” When Russia participated in the Russian-Japanese war, similar attitudes were prevalent in the society: “This is not our war, this is happening somewhere far.” As a result, we lost that war. Neither the people, nor the elites understood the point of the war and did not support it. The same took place in 1914, during WWI, as everybody relaxed, which almost lead to the country breaking apart. However,during the Great Patriotic War, the government managed to organize the society, to consolidate it. The entire fifth column was cleansed out.

    People recall 1937, but that was a forced measure. All people, who could be working for the enemy, were removed from power,from all dangerous facilities. Only those, who were loyal to the country, to the Motherland, and who were ready to shred (the enemy)with their teeth, remained. And, as a result, after resisting for 4years, we really did shred them. The unified Europe was defeated. The entire Europe, short of Greece and Serbia, worked for Hitler. Currently, the same is happening, only now Greece is also against us, with just Serbia being for us. Thus, it’s practically the same attack (on us), and we must stand up to it. Therefore, whether some approve or disapprove of Putin’s politics, whether they support it or not, it doesn’t matter now. We must be shoulder to shoulder here, domestically. We’ll figure it out later. For now the mission is to win the war.
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    This letter, from a Russian Spetsnaz [Special Forces] officer written to his mother, was received by Russell 'Texas' Bentley, and translated by him with the author's permission. It's long and very very interesting.

    Bentley published this on a sequence of Telegram posts 5 hours ago:
    MESSAGE TO MOM FROM A RUSSIAN SPETSNAZ OFFICER

    This is a real message from a real officer in the Russian special forces. The information it contains is true. Translated and published by Russell Bentley, with permission from the author.

    ~~~

    Hi, Mom. I am traveling from Tver now, and there’s an opportunity to talk about Putin and his actions as a leader. Clearly, everyone thinks about themselves that they're a great strategist, while observing a fight from the outside… We all imagine from afar, that “if I were him, I’d do this, that, and that”… However, we don’t have all the information. We do not get daily intelligence briefings as to what is happening in all corners of our country, not just in Donbass. Quite powerful players with serious intelligence and technical capabilities are playing against Putin. Ukraine is run by Great Britain and the USA, who provide them with all satellite intelligence. AWACS airplanes fly over the Black Sea and provide full coordinates for all facilities, including oil derricks and soon. So we are being fought against by the collective West and first and foremost the USA and Great Britain. And they would like for Europe to pay for all of this.

    They wish to solve a few problems at once: to weaken, to reduce the level of influence of Europe, to push Europe as far back from Russia as possible. And it would be desirable to create some kind of a unified country between Europe and Russia arbitrarily called “Anti-Russia”. In order to achieve this, Poland, Ukraine, and the Baltic states must be unified. Currently, they are trying to manipulate the situation in different ways to gradually converge on having the elites of Ukraine and the Baltic states unite with Poland into some kind of a confederation or a federation. They are now quickly rewriting laws in order to allow Polish citizens, officials, prosecutors and others to work in Ukraine without any limitations. The same will now be done in the Baltic States. Lithuania has started acting up by closing the transit way to Kaliningrad, thus provoking Russia to take some actions in response, in order to further convince those, who are still in doubt,that the Baltic states must join this three-way union against Russia at all costs.

    If they manage to drive in such a wedge between Europe and Russia, Europe will stop developing, and her abilities will be reversed. Europe will gradually decline and go broke, while Russia,without contact with Europe, will respectively face certain difficulties, because, while possessing a strong raw material resources base, we won't have access to various technologies that Europeans, namely, the Swiss, the Germans, the Austrians were able to advance in. There was an idea to create a common economic space from Lisbon to the Far East, and as such we would have had a strong geopolitical influence on the Eurasian continent. However, as you see, the British and Americans are taking all possible measures in order to not allow this to happen.

    Clearly, liberating Ukraine from Nazism was a forced measure, because it was obvious that they would have carried out their plans on their own very soon. They had prepared their most powerful airplane, Mria, the heavy lifter, at the Gostomel airport to carry out a strike on Rostov-on-Don. That is why our airborne troops landed there, took the “stuffing” out of Mria, and took it to Russia. Those were components of a “dirty” nuclear bomb, that was supposed to be used above Rostov-on-Don. Ukraine had planned to attack Donbass, and Russia was supposed to step in. In fact, the fighting was supposed to take place on the border, because they would have made it to the Russian border in 2-3 days by crushing Donbass, as a very serious force was being concentrated there: 250 thousand armed and trained soldiers.

    In response, Russia would have started an operation to protect Donbass, but this would, in fact, be happening in Russia or on the border between the DNR and Rostov or Belgorod regions. Respectively, Ukraine would be screeching for the world to hear: “We are under attack! Russia has crossed the border!” She would take everything she had to the skies, including the Mria airplane, and strikes Rostov with a dirty bomb, thus destroying the Black Earth region: Rostov, Krasnodar, and Donetsk. The goal was to make sure that Russia couldn’t use these lands to feed herself and others in the future. A fairly serious food crisis is coming up. The conductors of this crisis believe that if the land is poisoned for an extended period of time, for the next 20-30-50 years, then Russia won’t have such a powerful trump card, which is the fact that she supplies half of the world, half of humanity, with bread.

    So, as a result, we started the operation in advance. Of course, perhaps we weren’t entirely prepared for it, but we had no choice. First of all, we took the “stuffing” out of Gostomel, we took everything out of Chernobyl that they tried to do there, and gained control over the Zaporozh’e Nuclear Power Plant. So all the places where they tried to develop their nuclear program were taken under control, (we) took everything out. Further, there was an idea that by surrounding Kiev we would be able to force the Ukrainian elites to rise up in a certain way, as well as the so-called pro-Russian elites, such as Medvedchuk and so on, who could have theoretically led the new and reformed Ukraine. That was plan A.

    However, plan A failed. As is usual with the Khokhols, that 2 out of 3 people are always traitors. The same happened here, as the Kiev elites became scared, became terrified; the West clicked its tongue at them, and that was it. They rolled back,nobody had started any uprising in Kiev, they didn’t bring the keys to Kiev out for us. That’s when plan B went into action. Plan B consisted of the systematic destruction of the entire military infrastructure and the slow and gradual finishing off of the rest of it. Therefore, we rolled back. The troops were pulled back to a friendly territory, where we had no evil rear. We know that those behind us won’t shoot us in the back. We created this powerful “horseshoe”. And we suck all their forces in there, everything that they are willing to throw at us.

    In other words,this is where we are slowly grinding down their military forces. They keep throwing new reinforcements, new weapons in there. The West keeps throwing whatever it can in there. However, we are sustaining much lower losses, considerably lower losses, about an order of magnitude lower as opposed to what we would have been sustaining, had we been advancing on Kiev or Zaporozh’e, as we are slowly and calmly destroying all of their military infrastructure,including attempting to destroy the maximum number of highly trained troops. When only territorial defense forces, consisting of insane people with sticks and machine guns, remain, it will get easier.

    Our next goal will be Nikolaev/Odessa. Ukraine must be cut off from the Black Sea at all costs, because our Black Sea fleet is not safe,as long as Ukraine has access to the Black Sea. And we’ll have access to Transnistria. Transnistria will also be in the safety zone, we’ll protect our people there. And then, more likely than not, it wouldn’t be bad if we could perform a powerful unified advance together with Belarus from two sides, with Belarus from the North and us from the South, from Transnistria to cut Ukraine off its Western border, from Poland and Romania. In other words, to fully block Ukraine from all Western deliveries. That would be the moment,starting with which order could be calmly restored, the elites would be replaced, the blood-suckers that have terrorized Ukraine for the last 8 years would be jailed, and so on.

    Of course, understanding all these plans, the West will play various dirty tricks. They will cause an uproar in Lithuania, may try to pounce on Kaliningrad; they will most likely pounce on Transnistria through Romania (Romanians will creep through Moldova), and Poland will creep onto Ukrainian territory with an ostensibly peacekeeping mission, trying to overtake, to bite off at least the Western regions of Ukraine. Thus,quite serious clashes with the NATO block are possible. Clearly, one must not rush at this point.

    Putin is not throwing the newest weapons (into the battle) at this point, he’s using only old tanks, such as T-62’s, T-70’s, T-80’s. It seems that the T-90“Breakthrough” has now been observed in Donbass. However, it seems to me that only older equipment is being used now, primarily, in order to dispose of it, because disposal is expensive, and secondly because there’s plenty of it to grind through everything that Ukraine is capable of putting against it. However, when the NATO block creeps in, we must have powerful reserves in order to deal with the NATO block in all seriousness.

    Nothing will stop with just Ukraine. This is just the beginning, and a fairly serious mess is in the future. Therefore, all those who are now yelling: “Let’s strike on Kiev now!”, well, yes, perhaps it would be great to do so now, while running on emotions, but that would bring a certain level of chaos into the control (of the operation). In other words, we could destroy the command centers and remove the insane Khokhols. However, as the next step, NATO would have to take action to take control over Ukraine and to start controlling everything on its own, which would make it more difficult for us. Therefore, it’s better to keep dealing with these morons. Let them control these troops, while we are grinding them down. When the time comes, the morons in Kiev will be dealt with. It seems, it’s too early to do so now.

    Therefore, it’s clear that the people of Donbass are suffering, Donetsk is suffering, but these are the last months of their suffering. More likely than not, the stronghold in Avdeevka will be surrounded and destroyed, and Donetsk will be in deep rear, like Mariupol is now. Nobody’s touching or bombing Mariupol now. Donetsk will be liberated some day. Clearly, there are people tired of the war, there are people who hate Russians because they didn’t help in the right way, not quickly enough, not fast enough, but it’s not everyone.

    There’s a certain journalist named Anatoly Shariy, whose people are currently interviewing people in Mariupol and he posts them Youtube. The majority, about 95% of city residents speak of Azov fighters with hatred, they speak about the crimes they committed in the city. There are no words of anger or hate towards Russians, who liberated them. There’s regret that the city was destroyed, that people had lost their apartments, however,in general most people are in high spirits, because the future holds no darkness that was lingering over them. The same will now be felt by people in Melitopol, in Kherson, in Tokmak, in liberated areas. They will see that life in Russia is much more fair, honest, and better than under the rule of nazis. They will have better social safety net programs, better retirement support, they will have a functioning electrical and gas infrastructure, they will not have such high utility bills. As the end result, they will feel that there’s a change for the better, and gradually even the skeptics will calm down.

    For now everyone must remain patient. And one can only wish for Putin to remain patient. He has a very serious and difficult job,because very serious players are up against him, very powerful players, including the domestic fifth column – the bankers, social leaders, the liberal block of the government, and so on. All of them desire to somehow roll back to the past, as “everything was just peachy, everything was fine, we had our palaces, our families, our airplanes, our yachts… What are you doing, Putin, what have you done to us, you cut off our oxygen supply.” Clearly, this is where he’ll have to replace the elites. And if that is to be done, it must be gradually done starting now, with the support of the power block, gradually changing the attitudes within the society, in order to bring about a powerful societal demand for change within Russia. And that could result in us actually making it, because this is a war for life or death. We will not be allowed to step aside, saying:“Let’s just leave everything as is, let’s go back to February24th.” The West is on a mission to grind us into a fine powder, rip us to shreds, reduce us to the level where we become completely harmless to them. They deeply regret that they were unable to complete this work during the Yeltsin/Gorbachev era. They had relaxed as they thought they had already won, clapping Yeltsin on the shoulder and laughing at him, thinking that they had Russia in their pocket. And suddenly it became clear that they had made a grave mistake by relaxing too early, by believing in their victory too early. Now they are reaping bitter fruits.

    And we have just two options: return with the shield or on the shield. Either we put them back in their place and eventually mark our borders with red lines, beyond which they cannot stick their noses, or we roll back to the liberal darkness, and that’s when they would obtain another colony to rob for the next 50 years or so, and live prosperously and richly by ransacking our country. Thus, I think, we all need to consolidate and help each other in one way or another. Currently, the All-People’s Front is collecting money on their website, there’s a button to transfer money. People do transfer money. Yesterday an announcement was made at my work,everybody gave what they could, and there were 65 million rubles collected by evening in order to help the armies of Donetsk and Lugansk. This financial support is meant to buy the guys bulletproof vests, necessary weapons, drones and so on, because they are basically a militia. Clearly, the Ministry of Defense provided them with a bit of weapons, some uniforms.

    However, hopefully there are sufficient supplies for our own army, so it’s better that people unite to help. This is how it was during the Great Patriotic War(WWII), people helped to the best of their abilities, worked at factories, and so on. It is the same now. Don’t stay away as if“it’s not our war, (it’s just) somebody fighting somewhere, and we’re going out for coffee and dancing.” When Russia participated in the Russian-Japanese war, similar attitudes were prevalent in the society: “This is not our war, this is happening somewhere far.” As a result, we lost that war. Neither the people, nor the elites understood the point of the war and did not support it. The same took place in 1914, during WWI, as everybody relaxed, which almost lead to the country breaking apart. However,during the Great Patriotic War, the government managed to organize the society, to consolidate it. The entire fifth column was cleansed out.

    People recall 1937, but that was a forced measure. All people, who could be working for the enemy, were removed from power,from all dangerous facilities. Only those, who were loyal to the country, to the Motherland, and who were ready to shred (the enemy)with their teeth, remained. And, as a result, after resisting for 4years, we really did shred them. The unified Europe was defeated. The entire Europe, short of Greece and Serbia, worked for Hitler. Currently, the same is happening, only now Greece is also against us, with just Serbia being for us. Thus, it’s practically the same attack (on us), and we must stand up to it. Therefore, whether some approve or disapprove of Putin’s politics, whether they support it or not, it doesn’t matter now. We must be shoulder to shoulder here, domestically. We’ll figure it out later. For now the mission is to win the war.

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    This letter, from a Russian Spetsnaz [Special Forces] officer written to his mother...
    Hi, I don't know if it's true, but this letter doesn't sound like it is intended for his mother. It's too cold and sounds like some kind of briefing.
    The mother could only be interested in how her child is doing and not so much in the economic - political past, present and future of Russia and Europe.
    Is every mind connected to form a peer to peer network that creates the illusion of a shared reality, making the appearance of material reality a simulation created through shared beliefs?

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