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    Reported yesterday,


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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    The latest rationales from UK Column are grounding. Common sense may prevail?
    Also, in this news, the ghastly negatitivity from a government body to vax injured. Reprehensible.

    https://www.ukcolumn.org/video/uk-co...-november-2022

    Apols if this encompasses lots of threads, really need to copy to UKColumn thread, and vaccine crimes thread.
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    I've always wondered how Germany could have been led astray by Hitler, after all they are a Christian Nation and highly intellegent people who produce some of the finest engineered product in the world. Looks like we in the west are getting a first hand look in the mirror of how it happens.

    https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/i...y-like-hitler/

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    Quote Posted by Hughe (here)
    Source: https://www.naturalnews.com/2022-11-...andidates.html

    BREAKING: Now-collapsed FTX crypto slush fund laundered Ukraine donation money to Democrat candidates to help rig mid-terms

    (Natural News) The FTX crypto slush fund run by now-disgraced Sam Bankman-Fried (and his MIT college buddies) laundered money for Ukraine into nearly $40 million worth of campaign donations for Democrats in the 2022 mid-term elections.

    Over the last year, Joe Biden and the Democrats have pushed through well over $50 billion in funding for Ukraine, using US taxpayer money. Internationally, over $100 billion has been donated to Ukraine, according to Devex.com which has compiled worldwide donations and grants to the Ukrainian cause.

    FTX simultaneously processed donations to Ukraine by using its crypto infrastructure. As CoinDesk.com reported in May of this year, “Ukraine Partners With FTX, Everstake to Launch New Crypto Donation Website.”

    In other words, the corrupt Ukraine regime partnered with a corrupt crypto slush fund to take dollars from the corrupt US government and funnel them into the hands of corrupt Democrat candidates to win rigged mid-term elections.


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    The cruelty, Breaks my heart….


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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

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    Quote Olaf Scholz"-"One thing is clear, no matter whose rocket it was, and for whatever reason it did not fall in Poland, this would not have happened if Russia had not started a war against Ukraine’"
    He has achieved peak toddlerhood And still pretending to live in a bubble where the past 9 years did not happen, no one died in Donbass at the hands of the UkroNazi regime, and Azov is a peace loving boy scouts club


    There is an easy way to know where the missile came from, let's look at the serial number, it is registered and so we know who had it, where it was stored and even the date it was fielded. It will most likely come out to be in Ukrainian control since long ago. So they are desperate to hide that evidence


    Another thing is, even before anyone had said much, Elensky had already blamed Russia for it and as usual asked for more guns/money, and now they are in a difficult situation since the US and associates are not following the narrative. This made it seem like a false flag created by Ukraine with the purpose of getting NATO directly involved in the war.



    That means Elensky would have gone behind the master's back to create an excuse and get them involved by force
    Tired

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    Quote Posted by Mashika (here)
    ... This made it seem like a false flag created by Ukraine with the purpose of getting NATO directly involved in the war.



    That means Elensky would have gone behind the master's back to create an excuse and get them involved by force
    You know I don't keep up on this subject but what you said there reminded me of this that I saw and wondered where to post. British official false news tries to distract and escalate in one atomic operation lie.


    One of the worst days ever for British journalism - personally I can't think of a worse one....and the consequences of this misreporting could have been so devastating.
    <there's two pictures of British newspaper headlines:
    - The Mirror, "Russian bombs hit Poland"
    - The Metro, " 'Russian missiles' hit Poland"


    And a desperate lie, ...even the BBC had to publish "Ukraine war: Nato says Poland probably hit by Ukrainian missile" (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63656664)

    Might not have triggered an escalation this time but the distraction probably worked a treat.

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    Ukraine and western allies at odds over missile that exploded in Poland
    President Zelenskyy disputes view of Nato, Warsaw and US that weapon was likely fired by Kyiv’s air defence forces

    US president Joe Biden, German chancellor Olaf Scholz, French president Emmanuel Macron, Spain’s prime minister Pedro Sanchez, Britain’s Rishi Sunak and Canada’s Justin Trudeau discuss the Poland missile strike with their foreign ministers at the G20 Summit in Bali © Reuters
    A disagreement broke out on Wednesday between Ukraine and its western allies over who launched a missile that exploded in Poland, with Nato, Warsaw and the US saying the weapon was likely fired by Kyiv’s air defence forces during a Russian attack.

    Ukraine’s president Volodymyr Zelenskyy disputed this, insisting he had “no doubt” the missile that landed in the village of Przewodów near the Ukrainian border on Tuesday afternoon, killing two people, was not a Ukrainian missile.

    Jens Stoltenberg, Nato secretary-general, told a press conference in Brussels there was “no indication” that the missile attack was a “deliberate attack” by Moscow. He added the western military alliance had “no indication that Russia is preparing offensive military actions against Nato”.

    “Our preliminary analysis suggests that the incident was likely caused by Ukrainian air defence missile fired to defend Ukrainian territory against Russian cruise missile attacks,” he said.

    However, he added: “This is not Ukraine’s fault. Russia bears responsibility for what happened in Poland yesterday because this is a direct result of the ongoing war, and the wave of attacks from Russia against Ukraine yesterday.

    “Ukraine has the right to shoot down those missiles that are targeting Ukrainian cities and critical Ukrainian infrastructure.”

    Andrzej Duda, Poland’s president, told a press conference in Poland on Wednesday that investigators believed that “most likely” it had been a Russian-made missile produced in the 1970s, the S300. “We have no evidence that it was launched by Russia.”

    The White House backed Warsaw’s view. “We have seen nothing that contradicts President Duda’s preliminary assessment that this explosion was most likely the result of a Ukrainian air defence missile that unfortunately landed in Poland,” US National Security Council spokesperson Adrienne Watson said.

    Defence secretary Lloyd Austin echoed Watson’s assessment and said that US experts are on the ground helping with the investigation. General Mark Milley, chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, said he tried to contact his Russian counterpart on Tuesday as part of an effort to understand the situation and prevent any possible escalation, but couldn’t reach him.

    Zelenskyy and some western nations initially blamed Russia for launching the weapon, which was fired during Moscow’s biggest missile attack in weeks, and Ukraine’s leader maintained this stance on Wednesday.

    “I have no doubt from the evening report to me personally — from the commander of the air force to commander-in-chief [of Ukraine’s military Gen Valerii] Zaluzhny — that it was not our missile or our missile strike,” he said on Wednesday evening. “It makes no sense for me not to trust them, I’ve gone through the war with them.”

    The president also repeated calls by his national security chief, Oleksiy Danilov, for Ukrainian investigators to be given access to the crash site.

    “If, God forbid, some [missile] debris killed these people, we have to apologise,” he said. “But, sorry, first [I want] an investigation, access, the data you have — we want to have this.”

    Responding to Zelenskyy’s comments, a diplomat from a Nato country in Kyiv told the Financial Times: “This is getting ridiculous. The Ukrainians are destroying [our] confidence in them. Nobody is blaming Ukraine and they are openly lying. This is more destructive than the missile.”

    The area around the strike, which local media said used to be an agriculture co-operative during the communist era, was cordoned off by Poland’s authorities. Residents were quoted in the Polish press as saying the victims were farm workers in their 60s.

    Photos on social media showed a damaged vehicle lying next to a large crater.

    Dmitry Peskov, spokesperson for Russia’s president Vladimir Putin, told reporters on Wednesday that the initial claims of Moscow’s responsibility from Kyiv and some western allies were “yet another hysterical, rabidly Russophobic reaction that was not based on any real information”.

    Russia insisted it did not fire on any targets close to Poland’s border and said any damage to civilians was Kyiv’s fault.

    The defence ministry said it had not even fired on Kyiv during the day’s barrage and said the incident in Poland was a “deliberate provocation with the goal of escalating the situation”.

    In his press conference, Stoltenberg declined to give details of what led to the incident, stressing it remained subject to an investigation, but he confirmed that preliminary analysis pointed to a Ukrainian air defence system.

    “This incident does not have the characteristics of an attack,” he said, adding that it had not changed Nato’s fundamental assessment of the threat to the alliance. A top priority was to provide more air defence systems to Ukraine.
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    This incident was reported early this morning


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    Biden believes Ukrainian missile landed in Poland – Reuters

    US President Joe Biden has said Tuesday’s blast on Polish territory, which killed two civilians, was caused by a Ukrainian air defense missile, Reuters has reported.

    The US leader shared the information with his G7 and NATO partners, the news agency wrote on Wednesday, citing an anonymous NATO source.

    The incident in the village of Przewodow near the border with Ukraine sparked fears that the Ukraine-Russia conflict could spill over into other nations, as Poland is a NATO member state.

    Earlier on Wednesday, Biden said it was “unlikely” that the missile was fired by Russian forces.

    READ MORE: Missile that hit Poland was Ukrainian – Moscow
    “I don’t want to say that until we completely investigate, but it is unlikely, in the minds of the trajectory, that it was fired from Russia. But we’ll see,” he told reporters at the G20 summit in Bali, Indonesia on Wednesday morning, following early consultations with NATO members.

    Moscow has denied any involvement in the incident, describing the allegations as “a deliberate provocation” aimed at further escalating the situation. The Russian Defense Ministry said on Wednesday that the country’s military experts analyzed photos of the projectile’s parts published by the media and “identified them as elements of a missile from the S-300 air defense system used by the Air Force of Ukraine.”

    The incident occurred during large-scale Russian shelling of Ukrainian energy infrastructure, and Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky was quick to accuse Moscow of striking a NATO member. Russia’s military insists the strikes were carried out only against targets in Ukraine and no closer than 35 kilometers (21.7 miles) from the border with Poland.
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    Ukraine blowing up bridges near Belarusian border, Minsk says

    In response, Belarus has strengthened its border guard units, stepped up the use of technical means of protection and engaged the mobilized groups of territorial border guard services

    MINSK, November 16. /TASS/. Ukraine is blowing up bridges near the Belarusian border, Chairman of the Belarusian State Border Committee Anatoly Lappo said on Wednesday.

    "Mines have been planted in Ukrainian areas bordering Belarus and almost all bridges leading to Gomel and Mozyr have been blown up. They are now starting to blow up bridges leading to Volyn. All roads are impassable," the BelTA news agency quoted him as saying.

    Lappo noted that "Ukraine’s efforts are focused on reinforcing mechanical roadblocks to protect the border." At the same time, "the entire population in the Ukrainian border areas is exposed to anti-Belarusian and anti-Russian propaganda."

    The chief of the Belarusian State Border Committee said earlier that "almost all border bridges have been blown up, roads and railways were fully booby-trapped" on the Ukrainian side of the border.

    In response, Belarus has strengthened its border guard units, stepped up the use of technical means of protection and engaged the mobilized groups of territorial border guard services.

    Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko pointed out in early October that Ukraine had deployed as many as 15,000 troops to the border area.


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    UN doesn’t see signs conflict in Ukraine is ending — UN under-secretary-general

    Incident in Poland near the Ukrainian border was a frightening reminder of the absolute need to prevent any further escalation, UN Under-Secretary-General Rosemary DiCarlo said
    UNITED NATIONS, November 17. /TASS/. UN Under-Secretary-General Rosemary DiCarlo on Wednesday said there’s no end in sight to the conflict in Ukraine while the potential for catastrophic spillover is very real.

    "Indeed, there is no end in sight to the [conflict]. As long as it continues, the risks of potentially catastrophic spillover remain all too real," she said at a meeting of the UN Security Council. "Yesterday’s incident in Poland near the Ukrainian border was a frightening reminder of the absolute need to prevent any further escalation."

    On Tuesday, a missile fell in the village of Przewodow in eastern Poland’s Lublin Voivodeship on the border with Ukraine, killing two people. According to Polish President Andrzej Duda, that was not a deliberate attack on Poland. Warsaw has ascertained that most likely the S-300 missile produced in the 1970s was fired by the Ukrainian air defenses. The Russian Defense Ministry said Moscow did not strike the area near the Ukrainian-Polish border. The ministry said that, judging by the published photos, the debris had nothing to do with Russian munitions.

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    Invoking NATO’s Article 4 may not be necessary, Polish PM says

    According to Mateusz Morawiecki, the procedures that are taking place in Brussels seem to be appropriate in the current situation


    WARSAW, November 16. /TASS/. Poland found no evidence of the need to invoke Article 4 of the NATO treaty on urgent consultations in crisis situations, Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki said on Wednesday.

    "Most of the evidence that we have collected so far shows that there will probably be no need to invoke Article 4 this time," he pointed out. "We are assessing the prerequisites for its use," the prime minister added.

    According to him, the procedures that are taking place in Brussels seem to be appropriate in the current situation. "At the same time, we still have the option of resorting to Article 4 if we find it necessary," Morawiecki noted.

    On Tuesday, a missile fell in the village of Przewodow in eastern Poland on the border with Ukraine, killing two people. According to Polish President Andrzej Duda, it wasn’t a deliberate attack on the country. Warsaw explained that it most probably had been an S-300-like missile made in the 1970s, which had been fired by Ukrainian air defense forces.

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    Russian top brass posts clip of Kalibr missiles hammering Ukrainian military sites

    The goals of the massive strike were achieved and all the missiles accurately hit the designated targets
    MOSCOW, November 16. /TASS/. The Russian Defense Ministry uploaded video footage showing a salvo launch of Kalibr cruise missiles in a massive strike by long-range precision weapons against Ukrainian military command sites and the associated energy infrastructure.

    The video shows the launch of at least three Kalibr cruise missiles from a Project 11356 frigate in the daytime.

    Russian Defense Ministry Spokesman Lieutenant-General Igor Konashenkov reported earlier on Wednesday that Russian forces had delivered a massive strike by long-range high-precision weapons against Ukrainian military command sites and the associated energy infrastructure.

    The goals of the massive strike were achieved and all the missiles accurately hit the designated targets, the general stressed.

    The Kalibr (NATO reporting name: SS-N-27 Sizzler) is a Russian cruise missile engineered and produced by the Yekaterinburg-based Novator Design Bureau (part of the Almaz-Antey defense manufacturer). The Russian Armed Forces currently operate shipborne Kalibr-NK and submarine-launched Kalibr-PL missile modifications.
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    NATO Reaction to Explosion in Poland Shows Member States Can Act With Impunity - Expert

    WASHINGTON (Sputnik) - NATO's reaction to the explosion on Polish territory near the border with Ukraine shows that member states can act with impunity, Washington-based Eurasia Center Executive Vice President Earl Rasmussen told Sputnik.
    On Tuesday evening, Polish media reported that two missiles had fallen on the country's territory, in the Lublin Voivodeship on the border with Ukraine. As a result of the incident, two people were reportedly killed. However, the Polish Foreign Ministry said that only one missile, allegedly Russian-made, had fallen on Poland's territory.
    At the time, Polish President Andrzej Duda said that Warsaw had no accurate information about the origin of the missile, but the next day he stated it most likely belonged to Ukraine.
    The Russian Defense Ministry also said Russian forces had launched no strikes on targets near the Ukrainian-Polish border on Tuesday, and that the released photos of the missile's debris indicated it was not Russian. According to Moscow, media reports of the alleged Russian origin of the missiles are a deliberate provocation aimed at escalating the situation around Ukraine.
    "It does show that certain member states have specific privileges than others and can act with impunity. Hence, the reaction or non-action to the internal terrorist attack on the pipelines and most likely with any actions following this missile strike by Ukraine in Poland," said Rasmussen, a retired Lieutenant Colonel with over 20 years in the US Army.
    Rasmussen expressed his personal opinion, that despite accusations against Russia in this incident, the West knew about the origin of the missile.
    "NATO, as a result of tracking systems, most likely knew immediately that the strike inside of Poland was not a Russian missile and most likely Ukrainian. This includes officials from Poland and the Baltic States who immediately blindly started screaming for Article 4 or Article 5 actions against Russia," he said.
    He also emphasized that the West, particularly mainstream media, and Ukraine will blame Russia in any case, saying that Kiev fired its defense missile because of Moscow’s attack.
    "The explanation is entirely unjustified and merely shows the Russo-phobic nature of current western political leadership," Rasmussen noted, adding that Russia clearly has no intent on attacking any NATO country.
    On Wednesday morning, US President Joe Biden called an emergency meeting of the G7 and NATO leaders participating in the G20 summit in Bali. Based on preliminary information, the meeting concluded that the missile that fell in Poland was not fired from Russia.
    The Pentagon announced its intention to rely on facts, not speculation, in examining the missile incident. Moreover, until the necessary information is received, Washington will not support invoking Article 5 of the NATO Charter, according to which an armed attack on one NATO member state is considered an attack on all, Pentagon spokesman Patrick Ryder said.
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    Another Bit Bites the Dust: Crypto Lender BlockFi Preparing Bankruptcy Filing Due to FTX Collapse

    BlockFi, a US-based digital asset lender, was once valued at $3 billion. The firm has offices in New York, New Jersey, Singapore, Poland, and Argentina.
    Cryptocurrency lending platform BlockFi is preparing to file for bankruptcy in the coming days, according to an exclusive Bloomberg report published Wednesday.
    The outlet cited sources with knowledge of the situation, who requested anonymity.
    BlockFi paused withdrawals from the platform last week, citing uncertainty surrounding FTX’s collapse. BlockFi had been extended a $400 million line of credit by FTX earlier this year in a deal that could have ended up with FTX purchasing BlockFi if the loan platform had hit certain targets.
    BlockFi also gave loans to FTX’s sister site Alameda Research, a trading firm. FTX reportedly loaned Alameda Research consumer funds, which led to FTX’s insolvency when Alameda Research lost its investments. It has been reported that FTX lent out as much as $10 billion to Alameda Research.
    A representative for BlockFi declined to comment on the situation. The Wall Street Journal previously reported that the company was considering bankruptcy.
    The FTX collapse has sent shockwaves throughout the cryptocurrency industry. The second largest cryptocurrency exchange by volume, the company had connections within and outside of the cryptocurrency market. Over 135 entities were named in its bankruptcy filings and it estimated the site as having over a million creditors.
    Outside of the cryptocurrency market, Sequoia Capital and the Ontario Teachers’ Pension Plan had invested in FTX. Visa, Goldman Sachs, Gamestop, and the Coachella music festival had partnerships with FTX, and last week, Miami-Dade County canceled a $90 million stadium naming rights deal with FTX.

    The collapse has led to increased calls for regulations, both inside the United States and globally. Germany’s chief financial regulator called for global standards on Monday. Meanwhile, South Korean regulators urged their government not to wait for international regulations.
    In the United States, Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) said she will continue to pressure the US Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) to step up enforcement on cryptocurrency exchanges, something the White House later echoed. However, FTX was based in the Bahamas and would have been out of the SEC’s regulatory reach. FTX US is subject to SEC regulations but FTX lent funds from its international trading platform.
    FTX’s founder and owner Sean Bankman-Fried was an adamant supporter of increased cryptocurrency regulation, including the Digital Commodities Consumer Protection Act currently under consideration by the Senate.
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    My goodness, Mashika, you certainly have a knack for shutting down any attempts at real dialogue.
    Brian, you don't want 'real dialogue'. You're just grandstanding for the US-intel-controlled mainstream media.


    Are we there yet?

    This is the thing that native English speakers need to get. The "collective west" has not entered the world Dialogue/Diplomacy table yet.

    This is in light of at least thirteen centuries of its attempt to assert an identity.

    You need to understand that the others just give you ear service, while highly disparate groups of "minor players" actually have had a civilized way of working on this the whole time.

    Just think of the Jesuits being kicked out of every country, and the Ming Empire kicking Europeans out altogether. Nothing is any different now, in terms of a two-way channel.

    In the words of Putin to his experiences, "I'm fed up with it".

    We should get back to around page one, with a criterion of being taken seriously at all. Or, here, page three hundred and something, the German Chinese article about the Emperor of Man owning everything with his Mind, having replaced the physical world with Words. No lack of examples about this, but that one was cutting edge.

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