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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    From this,

    https://twitter.com/johnnyjmils/stat...72164450099200



    To this,

    https://twitter.com/johnnyjmils/stat...70197509836800




    https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/statu...10005166075904

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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    Interesting...we just got a small taste of Ukraine out here.

    Gunfire attack on two substations against "heavy equipment"...out for two days already, state of emergency, probably not back up until Thursday. Fortunately, it only affects where I work, but also about 40,000 customers.

    Unless you have a backup generator, there is zilch...no traffic lights, no sewage pumps either.

    Fortunately the temperature only gets down to the 40s.

    FBI says they will investigate, but so far, no Right Wing or Islamic or other extremist faction has spoken.

    No ability to re-route either.

    That was two simultaneous attacks, including at least one gate removal. Happened about 8.30 Saturday night in the middle of business; of course, we figured it would be back in a few hours because they are usually pretty good with normal events such as downed lines. This may be a first.

    I shudder to think what this is like at minus ten degrees with no relief in sight...

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    https://twitter.com/Consortiumnews/s...85274455707649



    https://consortiumnews.com/2022/12/0...sts-duplicity/

    SCOTT RITTER: Merkel Reveals West’s Duplicity

    War, it seems, was the only option Russia’s opponents had ever considered.


    Recent comments by former German Chancellor Angela Merkel shed light on the duplicitous game played by Germany, France, Ukraine and the United States in the lead-up to the Russian invasion of Ukraine in February.

    While the so-called “collective west” (the U.S., NATO, the E.U. and the G7) continue to claim that Russia’s invasion of Ukraine was an act of “unprovoked aggression,” the reality is far different: Russia had been duped into believing there was a diplomatic solution to the violence that had broken out in the Donbass region of eastern Ukraine in the aftermath of the 2014 U.S.-backed Maidan coup in Kiev.

    Instead, Ukraine and its Western partners were simply buying time until NATO could build a Ukrainian military capable of capturing the Donbass in its entirety, as well as evicting Russia from Crimea.

    In an interview last week with Der Spiegel, Merkel alluded to the 1938 Munich compromise. She compared the choices former British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain had to make regarding Nazi Germany with her decision to oppose Ukrainian membership in NATO, when the issue was raised at the 2008 NATO summit in Bucharest.

    By holding off on NATO membership, and later by pushing for the Minsk accords, Merkel believed she was buying Ukraine time so that it could better resist a Russian attack, just as Chamberlain believed he was buying the U.K. and France time to gather their strength against Hitler’s Germany

    The takeaway from this retrospection is astounding. Forget, for a moment, the fact that Merkel was comparing the threat posed by Hitler’s Nazi regime to that of Vladimir Putin’s Russia, and focus instead in on the fact that Merkel knew that inviting Ukraine into NATO would trigger a Russian military response.

    Rather than reject this possibility altogether, Merkel instead pursued a policy designed to make Ukraine capable of withstanding such an attack.

    War, it seems, was the only option Russia’s opponents had ever considered.

    Putin: Minsk Was a Mistake

    Merkel’s comments parallel those made in June by former Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko to several western media outlets. “Our goal,” Poroshenko declared, “was to, first, stop the threat, or at least to delay the war — to secure eight years to restore economic growth and create powerful armed forces.” Poroshenko made it clear that Ukraine had not come to the negotiating table on the Minsk Accords in good faith.

    This is a realization that Putin has come to as well. In a recent meeting with Russian wives and mothers of Russian troops fighting in Ukraine, including a few widows of fallen soldiers, Putin acknowledged that it was a mistake to agree to the Minsk accords, and that the Donbass problem should have been resolved by force of arms at that time, especially given the mandate he had been handed by the Russian Duma regarding authorization to use Russian military forces in “Ukraine,” not just Crimea.

    Putin’s belated realization should send shivers down the spine of all those in the West who operate on the misconception that there can now somehow be a negotiated settlement to the Russian-Ukrainian conflict.

    None of Russia’s diplomatic interlocutors have demonstrated a modicum of integrity when it comes to demonstrating any genuine commitment to a peaceful resolution to the ethnic violence which emanated from the bloody events of the Maidan in February 2014, which overthrew an OSCE-certified, democratically-elected Ukrainian president.

    Response to Resistance

    When Russian speakers in Donbass resisted the coup and defended that democratic election, they declared independence from Ukraine. The response from the Kiev coup regime was to launch an eight-year vicious military attack against them that killed thousands of civilians. Putin waited eight years to recognize their independence and then launched a full-scale invasion of Donbass in February.

    He had previously waited on the hope that the Minsk Accords, guaranteed by Germany and France and endorsed unanimously by the U.N. Security Council (including by the U.S.), would resolve the crisis by giving Donbass autonomy while remaining part of Ukraine. But Kiev never implemented the accords and were not sufficiently pressured to do so by the West.

    The detachment shown by the West, as every pillar of perceived legitimacy crumbled — from the OSCE observers (some of whom, according to Russia, were providing targeting intelligence about Russian separatist forces to the Ukrainian military); to the Normandy Format pairing of Germany and France, which was supposed to ensure that the Minsk Accords would be implemented; to the United States, whose self-proclaimed “defensive” military assistance to Ukraine from 2015 to 2022 was little more than a wolf in sheep’s clothing — all underscored the harsh reality that there never was going to be a peaceful settlement of the issues underpinning the Russian-Ukrainian conflict.

    And there never will be.

    War, it seems, was the solution sought by the “collective West,” and war is the solution sought by Russia today.

    Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.

    On reflection, Merkel was not wrong in citing Munch 1938 as an antecedent to the situation in Ukraine today. The only difference is this wasn’t a case of noble Germans seeking to hold off the brutal Russians, but rather duplicitous Germans (and other Westerners) seeking to deceive gullible Russians.

    This will not end well for either Germany, Ukraine, or any of those who shrouded themselves with the cloak of diplomacy, all the while hiding from view the sword they held behind their backs.
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    Quote Posted by Kryztian (here)
    Such beauty in this music. It is a reminder of how war is an annihilation of beauty and anything spiritual, all for material gain.

    Orthodox hymns are designed on modal music, i. e. Dorian, Ionic, Phrygian, etc., which obviously antedate "keys" by centuries, and have, to our ear, an "oriental" flavor. That is one sign it is the religion of Jerusalem.

    The iconography is compatible, it is living and illuminated, not a dead guy on a stick.

    That is why I personally love the service, which lasts about three hours, with numerous loud, enthusiastic rounds of:


    Priest "Christ is with us!"

    Congregation "He is and ever shall be!"


    Utterly unlike any western services, which to me were grim, hideous, and repellent.

    I do not quite agree with their theology, but, I have a healthy degree of respect and no issue thinking of them as spiritual brethren. That is why any truly Orthodox country or civilization is "at the table" where different kinds of societies make peaceful agreements without supremacists trying to whitewash it all.

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    (...)

    SCOTT RITTER: Merkel Reveals West’s Duplicity

    War, it seems, was the only option Russia’s opponents had ever considered.


    (...)

    This will not end well for either Germany, Ukraine, or any of those who shrouded themselves with the cloak of diplomacy, all the while hiding from view the sword they held behind their backs.
    It was to be expected. That there was a whole strategy behind it that included not only Germany and France buy also the United Kingdom (with different parts to play at different moments) casts an interesting light on the moderation the EU showed when confronting the Brexit masquerade – but of course that was also helped by lots of CobraVirus snake oil.

    Insightful text.

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    Quote Posted by Michel Leclerc (here)
    That there was a whole strategy behind it that included not only Germany and France buy also the United Kingdom (with different parts to play at different moments) casts an interesting light on the moderation the EU showed when confronting the Brexit masquerade – but of course that was also helped by lots of CobraVirus snake oil.

    Rofl. Did you make that up?

    The snake oil. Always a relevant term since before petroleum-based medicine, it means an impostor of traditional herbal remedies, which, for the most part, are effective. However, herbalism has this really fun masquerade in and of itself. For example, when Shakespeare's witches talk about "eye of newt", it means a mustard seed. So it is like alchemy. Runs in a code meant to confuse if not discourage outside enquiries.


    To rephrase what I posted earlier, this was "my Monday":


    I started to go out, and the goat had demolished the porch railing and tore into the trash. So, I re-packed the trash, loaded it up, tried to dump it, couldn't, wasn't able to get any gas, and so I could tell what was going on and just wanted to be sure it was the same in the other neighborhood, got waved off by the police, looped around for a few extra miles just to get the extended view that nothing was happening, came back with my trash, and had to go ten miles in the opposite direction for the gas.

    Then I posted something that suggested there could be a possible Islamic vandalism or potential terror message to come through, and, that is not right, because if so, you need to call it Takfiri.


    The political angle mentioned above is completely correct and true for the entire history of unified Germany. The monkey wrench that I can't figure out is that it was at least supposed to be of benefit to the United Kingdom, or, at least to someone who is in it, and this does not seem to be happening. However the American strategy is to let the UK take the first hit in any situation. So perhaps they have simply been expended by their allies in this manner.

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    From the guy that thinks the USSR invaded Ukraine...



    I don't believe he has the mental capability to understand the giant amount of irony his words have lol

    "We won't allow any other country to take what is ours to take, we are the land of God, we have the right to own these countries and seas! So let me be blunt, we will use or authoritarian means to prevent anyone else from taking what was given by God to us, by any means necessary"
    - Things that he thinks and feels but doesn't say openly
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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    Quote Posted by Mashika (here)
    So, now some countries in the west are preparing for full on war on their own

    But, there is no evidence or any kind of threat to them, they just woke up one day and decided they needed to prepare for a full on war, with no enemy declared and no reason at all

    Dig this:


    “People haven’t seen [a large-scale conflict] in a while, so I think we’ve forgotten that with true industrial mobilization, there’s always a time aspect to it and it is never instantaneous,” Doug Bush, assistant secretary of the Army for acquisition, logistics, and technology, said. “I think we’re closer to a wartime mode, which has been something I’ve been working on to build,” he added.



    What is "something I've been working on"?

    The context is they haven't figured out how to do any significant production. The guy wants to have a wartime industrial system. It may be attractive to companies from Europe.



    Italy currently produces several kinds of gear Ukrainians like and:


    In November, the right wing coalition government elected in September's snap elections temporarily halted arms aid to Ukraine to do an accounting of domestic stocks. However, Rome issued a decree last week extending “the transfer of military means, materials and equipment to the government authorities of Ukraine” through December 31, 2023.

    Tens of thousands of protesters have taken to the streets repeatedly in recent weeks, demanding a halt to aid to Ukraine, and that the money instead be devoted to addressing the skyrocketing cost of living and the energy crises pummeling the nation.
    Italy and other European countries are experiencing a major spike in inflation, food and energy costs, with nine in 10 Italians recently telling a pollster that they've been forced to cut spending to pay for necessities.



    They appear to have a pretty simple discussion about backfiring sanctions, and the pact of the neo-fascist PM following EU and NATO orders.




    Here is a bit of insight criticising the Yellow Vests for reverting to:


    ...a true piece of French revolutionary history transported from 1848-71 – the struggle today is the same as it was back then.

    It’s a struggle against always-elitist liberalism and its attendants: oligarchical and anti-democratic parliamentarianism, free-market chaos, the anti-government ideology encapsulated by austerity cuts to social services, and the encouragement of a rat race to “become bourgeois”. The Yellow Vests took France and Europe back to 1848, when the “2nd Republic” re-ended the French monarchy and claimed the mantle of the French Revolutionary “1st Republic”. Liberalism was installed for the first time and… immediately proved that it was plagued by all the problems described above.

    Liberalism has failed since 1848, and the liberalist principles (“neoliberal” is more commonly used today, in order to differentiate itself from the discredited, original “liberalism”) which underpin the pan-European project have failed today. They always fail.

    ...the history of Western liberalism has proven over and over that the average person’s right to live decently will never be guaranteed.



    Sounds comparable. From a response to it:


    ...modern reactionary France was created by the invasion of the armies of the “City of London” in 1815, wherein the redcoats turned France slowly but surely into a French version of the Anglo Zionist empire. The banking oligarchy in the city of London then slowly and secretly took over the United States. So if we say the American version of the British empire created the EU in line with its capitalist agenda, that is really saying that the City of London, via its hidden domination of a no longer autonomous USA, created the EU.

    So the City of London created its own preferred version of the USA, which then eventually created the EU.

    Now the Tory party in London wants out of the EU so that it can protect its secret web of off shore criminal banking enterprises from any threat of EU regulation. That being the real essence of English power now. So the Tory’s had to evacuate from what was really London’s own original creation.


    Ukraine is a big nexus on that web, also kind of becoming a part of Black Rock.

    Maybe the British system just benefits...the system, and hasn't any personal beneficiaries.


    Something like this. In the past few months alone, USAID has pumped almost a quarter of a billion dollars for the purposes of subversive democracy to the following:


    CIS, comprising of former Soviet states Russia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Moldova, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, is a bloc of countries that the US has long struggled to expand its influence and soft power into. For this reason, USAID has significantly increased its investments in the region, with Armenia, Georgia and Moldova, periphery states of CIS, being the biggest beneficiaries of the new grants, especially NGO’s and media.

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