WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

[Vicus]

Drone attack on another Russian airfield – governor

A fuel tank caught fire following a raid in Kursk Region, which borders Ukraine

An airfield in the city of Kursk has been targeted in a drone attack, according to the governor of the southwestern Russian region. The strike comes the day after two bases, in Ryazan and Saratov Regions, were targeted with similar weapons.

Kursk is close to Ukraine, but Ryazan and Saratov are deeper inside Russia, with the latter located some 700km from the frontier.

“As a result of a drone attack, an oil storage tank caught fire in the area of the Kursk airfield. The fire is being localized. All emergency agencies are on site,” Kursk Region Governor Roman Starovoyt said in a Telegram post on Tuesday morning around 7:20am local time.

There were no casualties, according to preliminary information shared by the governor.

On Monday, a number of “Soviet-made” jet drones flying at low altitude targeted long-range strategic aviation assets at the Dyagilevo airfield in Ryazan Region and Engels airfield in Saratov Region, according to the Russian Defense Ministry.

he military said the unmanned vehicles were detected and shot down by air defenses, but noted that debris impacted the airfields, “slightly” damaging two aircraft. Three service members were “fatally injured,” while four more were taken to military hospitals for treatment.

https://www.rt.com/russia/567735-kur...-drone-strike/

[Vicus]

EU country refuses to train Ukrainian troops

Hungary wants to pursue peace between Kiev and Moscow, a senior official said

Hungary will not fall in line with some other EU states, and will not provide any training to Ukrainian forces during the conflict with Russia, Tamas Menczer, the state secretary for bilateral relations, has said. He added that Budapest favors a diplomatic solution to the conflict.

“In some European countries, Ukrainian soldiers are [being] trained. They won’t [be] in Hungary,” Menczer wrote on Facebook on Monday. “We say no to that. We want to move towards peace, not war,” he added.

The statement came after Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban insisted that the EU should “re-evaluate” sanctions imposed on Russia if the bloc wants to get through the continuing energy crisis. Hungarian officials have repeatedly said in the past that Brussels should focus on bringing about a diplomatic solution to the conflict rather than aid Kiev militarily.

In October, the EU set up a military assistance mission for Ukraine (EUMAM Ukraine) to train 15,000 soldiers. Josep Borrell, the bloc’s top diplomat, inspected a base in Poland last week. “I told the Ukrainian soldiers: ‘We try to support you as much as we can, for as long as you need,’” Borrell told reporters.

Britain has run separate combat training courses for Ukrainian personnel. They were being taught how to handle Western weapons, as well as urban and trench warfare, and battlefield first aid, according to the UK Ministry of Defence.

Hungary earlier also broke ranks with many Western countries by refusing to send weapons to Ukraine. Foreign Minister Peter Szijjarto said in July that the conflict was “not Hungary’s war.”

Russian officials said in the past that military aid to Ukraine only exacerbates the conflict. Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu explained in September that Russia was de facto “at war with the collective West and NATO,” adding that the performance of the Ukrainian Armed Forces heavily depends on Western-supplied weapons.

https://www.rt.com/news/567757-hunga...in-ukrainians/

[Vicus]

Scott Ritter: Putin Said We Had No Choice Left But To Launch Special Military Operation In Ukraine

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=OtY8UcPJm8U

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[Ravenlocke]

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Latvia pulls Dozhd TV channel’s license

It is reported that broadcasts by the Dozhd TV channel (TV Rain, declared a foreign agent media in Russia) will stop on Thursday, December 8

VILNIUS, December 6. /TASS/. Latvia’s National Electronic Mass Media Council (NEPLP) has revoked the broadcasting license of Dozhd TV (or TV Rain, declared to be a foreign agent media in Russia), the council’s head Ivars Abolins wrote on Twitter on Tuesday.

"Due to a threat to national security and public order, today, the NEPLP made a decision to cancel the broadcasting license of the Dozhd TV channel. Broadcasts by the Dozhd TV channel will stop on Thursday, December 8," his statement said.

The Latvian broadcasting authority decided that the TV channel’s leadership does not realize the gravity of its violations and therefore cannot operate on the Baltic country’s territory, Abolins said.

On December 2, Latvian Defense Minister Artis Pabriks said that a process was launched to rescind the TV channel staff’s permit for staying in the country. Dozhd received its broadcasting license in Latvia on June 6.

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/Spriter0000/stat...58675607310338

[ExomatrixTV]

• What Do Russians Think About The Ukraine War?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=onW9W399RL4

What do Russians think about the war in Ukraine? In this reportage, I travel to Rostov Russia to speak to the locals about the hard facts of the War and what they think about it. As expected many of them support the decision of the Russian Government to join the war but not all. You may be very surprised by what they have to say. Now that Ukraine Drone attacks hit airfields deep in Russia in Kursk and other cities things are changing fast. Russian missile strikes continue to force emergency power shutdowns across Ukraine. The city of Bakmut / Artyomovsk seems to be almost ready to come under Russian control.

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/elenaevdokimov7/...92816927293440

https://twitter.com/elenaevdokimov7/...93973800169472

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/squatsons/status...11220845318144

[Ravenlocke]

The bodies wiil be buried when it’s safe and demined, and DNA samples will be taken to identify the bodies so that if families are looking for them they can find them.


https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1600218521945788416

https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1600210971393372161

https://www.rt.com/russia/567764-rus...combat-losses/

https://www.rt.com/russia/567764-rus...combat-losses/

The Ukrainian Armed Forces lost over 8,000 troops and a significant number of military equipment over the course of November, Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu insisted on Tuesday.

Shoigu declared that, in November, Kiev’s losses amounted to more than 8,300 military personnel, five airplanes, ten helicopters, 149 tanks and more than 300 armored fighting vehicles. He added that Russia’s forces have inflicted considerable damage to Kiev's military potential using long-range precision weapons to conduct massive strikes against Ukrainian military command centers and military-industrial complex facilities.

In late September, Shoigu claimed that Ukrainian forces had suffered a total of more than 61,000 combat losses since Moscow launched its military operation against Kiev in February. He also noted that Russia’s losses were ten times less, at around 6,000 soldiers.

READ MORE: EU refuses to apologize for deleted post about Ukrainian casualties
While Kiev has refrained from releasing official casualty numbers of its armed forces, it has disputed the figures provided by the Russian Defense Ministry. President Vladimir Zelensky stated in September that the Ukrainian army was losing some 50 people a day, but noted that it was “five times less” than Russian casualties.

Last week, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen published a speech in which she claimed that “more than 100,000 Ukrainian military officers” had been killed during the conflict. The video, however, was later deleted and re-uploaded without the casualty estimate after it sparked outrage in Kiev, which claimed that it was “sensitive information” that should only be released by top Ukrainian officials.

[Mashika]

Posted by loungelizard (here)

Posted by Mashika (here)
Ukraine wants this banned/removed from history,

Where did you get that from? Any evidence? Mr Google doesn’t come up with anything...

Posted by Mashika (here)
not because of the spiritual meaning itself (but there's an aspect of that too) but because it's Russian

So therefore Ukraine must want to ban all Russian music.

But that clearly isn’t the case: the music of Tchaikovsky, for example, seems to be still being enjoyed freely by Ukrainians.
The United Ukrainian Ballet is currently in the middle of a tour performing Swan Lake, written by Tchaikovsky.
There are recent videos of musicians playing music written by Tchaikovsky from bombed-out basements in Kharkiv.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=QABNVgz207A

Putin denies the right of the country of Ukraine to exist. That invoked outrage and resulted in a swell of national pride and solidarity.
As part of that need to assert their cultural identity, the government of Ukraine has voted in favour of banning some Russian music
in media and public spaces.
Just music created or performed by those who are or were Russian citizens after 1991.

That’s it. Tchaikovsky and Shostakovich etc are safe.

And it seems that the beloved and sublime “Hymn of the Cherubim” is safe too.

Elensky just banned the entire Russian Orthodox Church.... You must be looking at on one side of the 'news' that confirm your beliefs only. How is it possible you don't know that as from yesterday or so the entire Orthodox Church is banned and made illegal in Ukraine?

Amazing...


Anyway, you clearly chose to ignore my previous question to you. Why? (i know why but let's play that game lol)

Must be hard to find ways around the reality you try to look away from. I mean how do you go and read stuff here and other places without going all bitter because you can't deny it's the truth? Or maybe that's why you avoid reading or looking at the evidence at all, just like you did with the banning of Russian religion in Ukraine?

Are you just skipping all the posts and looking away trying to prevent your mind from going into a terrible conflict and deprogramming?

I think it's easier for you if from now on you just copy this link and post it every time you don't have answer to a 'difficult' question, like those posts showing Ukrainian soldiers killing other Ukrainian soldiers because they refuse to follow impossible and stupid orders that would get them killed for nothing. But i suppose you read the propaganda version of it that says "Russian soldiers are killing their own when they try to avoid going to fight at the front", which has zero evidence, as opposed to the Ukrainian real version of it, which has videos and testimonies of actual Ukrainian soldiers that managed to survive.

Anyway, use this meme from now on, it has as much value as your vague, beat around the bushes answers



I thought you would have a good answer, something that says you have a real opinion and not just go running around the web trying to find anything that can be used as proof i'm wrong or 'pushing propaganda'. But all we always get is more of the same talking points or a post that completely ignores the current events

Too bad

[Mashika]

Posted by loungelizard (here)
That’s it. Tchaikovsky and Shostakovich etc are safe.

And it seems that the beloved and sublime “Hymn of the Cherubim” is safe too.

No they are not, just as the monuments to anything Soviet are being destroyed. If you don't know about the removing of Russian history from several places and countries it's you and only you who has to be blamed for that ignorance.

And of course there are people taking refuge in shelters, that's what happens when there is war

So tell me, were you making the same comments when Ukrainians in Donbass were living underground for 8 years and being unable to have normal lives because the UkroNazis kept shelling their cities every day non stop, for 8 full years?

Or your programming doesn't allow you to understand why and how this happened? I mean they were not Russian, they were/are Ukrainians, and i thought you were a supporter of Ukrainians, so where's the cry for justice for the Ukrainian people in Donbass that have been killed by their own government?

Also you sound extremily butthurt and resentful here lol. I bet your hands were trembling a bit from the hate you felt while typing that

And it seems that the beloved and sublime “Hymn of the Cherubim” is safe too.

Did you start pushing out vapor from your ears and eyes were red and there were veines popping out on your forehead? It sure looks like you went through that just typing that sentence lmao

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I'm still waiting for your honest reply to this post. sure you must have an educated opinion about this issue, right?
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1530596

I have a question, if you look at the recent Grad shelling of Donetsk, which hit homes and civilian structures only, what are your thoughts, considering this:

- HIMARS and other MLRS like Grad, are offensive weapons, you don't use those for defensive positions in almost 99% of cases due to the nature of the system. It is meant to hit lots of targets at once but it requires to know exactly what you will hit, specially for the HIMARS, otherwise it causes massive destruction but it may not cause any harm to the attacking troops as they move around. It is more specializes for usages such as hitting stationary/static targets, like buildings and such
- Given that it is an offensive, and not a defensive weapon, it's usage against civilian structures is considered 'aggression' and in no way a defensive move. For it to be a defensive move, it would have to target a silo or another building or possibly even barracks where the enemy is located. It will also be used as defensive only if you shoot at them a barrage of shells and they pinpoint your location and send a barrage of himars or grads your way, that would be 'defensive' in action, since the 'enemy' started firing and then you respond

So, if a city with only civilians is hit by a barrage of grads, meant for offensive action, and there was no enemy there. Is that a war crime?

It doesn't necessarily have to be HIMAR or Grad rockets, you can get the same effect with 152/155 shells from a Howitzer if close enough to the target. The main or key issue here is, the target was a city full of civilians, hit at random which was just standing there and from where no attack was launched against the Ukrainian forces.

What are your thoughts on this event? How do you catalog this action?

The UN has not provided any comment on it, or has done it's usual tweet about condemning this attack against civilian population. Would you condemn the Ukrainian forces for what is clearly a well documented war crime by now? With video and other evidence already collected?

Second question, why do you think the entire west is silent about this shelling?

If you need more time to write something up i'll keep reminding you. No need to thank me

Also, since you have clearly displayed a lack of will to read or view any posts on this thread, and that was made clear by how you lack knowledge of current events from even one day ago, i'll help you out with a couple links, add this to my previous request about how do you feel or think about Ukraine's war crimes

I think this is normal for the Nazis, i mean they were killing their own civilians, children and elderly and everyone they could get for almost 9 years now, what's 3 or more soldiers, they do not care for their own, that was made perfectly clear long ago.
"ANOTHER VIDEO CONFIRMED EXECUTION OF UKRAINIAN SOLDIERS BY THEIR BROTHERS IN ARMS"
https://southfront.org/in-video-anot...thers-in-arms/

And here's the one that was posted before but you probably avoided looking at because it could lead to you having to face reality for once


Again, don't blame me, you have failed to look at this evidence in favor of following a rotten narrative that is falling down day by day now. It won't be long before the entire world realizes the truth and then i wonder what will happen to all the people that pushed the 'nazi as a gentle innocent and kind people' narrative

[shaberon]

This is the point where I want to pluck my eyes out with spoons, and imagine my neighbors are incarnations of bad ideas with no value in life.

This is why we don't want any of them to participate in any political process.


Speculation about the destruction of our electricity has been pointing fingers at:



...it just happened that the person who was leading the protests against the drag show quite literally implied that it was due to the drag show being protested and that this violent action took place to cancel the drag show,” she said. “This is much more than a coincidence,” she said.


But if you wanted to shut down specifically this:


The speculation comes less than a month after a gunman opened fire in the LGBTQ-friendly Club Q in Colorado Springs, Colorado, killing five people and injuring more than a dozen others. A motive in that shooting remains unclear.


Such ideas are part of who is fighting for your freedom:


Rainey, a former U.S. Army psychological operations officer, who left the military while under investigation for leading a group of people from North Carolina to the Capitol on Jan 6, 2021, has been a vocal opponent of drag shows in the state.

In a follow-up post, along with a photograph of the Sunrise Theater, she wrote: “God will not be mocked.”

I told them that God works in mysterious ways and is responsible for the outage. I used the opportunity to tell them about the immoral drag show and the blasphemies screamed by its supporters.


That's right...your psyops are mostly coming from mono-culture.

I am not sure that makes the opinion true, "it was about a drag show". Nothing special about these. What is true is I personally got in this fight in my freshman year of college. I am not on a side. I just saw harassment. I was able to get the outward behaviors stopped. Then I entered the Christian lair to see if I could get their minds to work, and, no, you can't do that. I left early.

I went to a drag bar and at least they were friendly to me.

[Sheriff] Fields said Rainey’s posts were “false,” and that authorities spoke with her and determined her social posts to be not credible...


In terms of the attack, only one of the substations would have been adequate to power down the show. I knew something was off that night when I went home and the outage obviously covered too much territory. What was shutdown was not just a show, but, a bedroom community of brass, Majors and up. How are you changing someone's deviant nature by making the Major essentially an un-ranked civilian going in line to get stuff for his kids?? Wouldn't this strategy boomerang in your face? It's great if the goal is to overwhelm the whole community, and just imagine how it might go in a place of true brotherly love like Philadelphia. You would not go more than 24 hours without violence erupting like wildfire.


Remember, they hate gay people, Chinese, and anyone else who is not like them, on sight. There is nothing you can say because they idolize supremacy. That is what the stars and stripes have come to be about. Obviously, it would be really difficult to de-militarize and de-nazify even this small area.


At first I was leery it was a copy of what just happened in Germany. At least that had a motive, removal of a lot of gold. Here, we have not gotten any corresponding crime or message or anything. Just an example of how you can do untold millions of dollars of damage with only a few bullets.


Since 2001, we were "warned" about how Al Qaeda was going to do stuff like this, which never happened, from what I remember. No bombs or other destruction of apartment complexes, dams, substations, or anything big like that. So we made this big, expensive DHS which has never really done anything, and it looks like "homeland security" has just been interrupted by...almost anyone who lives around here. All they have to do is get mad, and an act like this is almost trivial. And it is easy to make them mad.


I think it continues to show that there is no way for these people to make any kind of valid international understanding about something like Russia; moreover, they will require increasing fascist protection mostly from "the enemy within".

We will see how this adds fuel to Federal operations, but, obviously, "our side" does not really have a leg to stand on when representing itself as a great defender against Russia by way of cranking other fascist meat grinders.

[shaberon]

Posted by Mashika (here)
No they are not, just as the monuments to anything Soviet are being destroyed.

Apparently the same mentality of attacking our Confederate statues.

We went through the trouble of educating an entire generation about States' Rights (as opposed to Federal authority) *before* attacking Fort Sumter. Now we have a South Carolina Catholic Zionist in office!! Has reality been inverted yet?


The "strong Federal force" that amassed itself in the 1860s is still the major problem of today. It began by killing those it claimed were its own subjects (i. e. civilians). Dissent remained so bad that we were forced to re-write our State Constitution in 1971 so that we cannot secede. Trapped! In fact, the few places that I can even find a Confederate flag any more, it is almost paired with an American one.

Our population, generally, was highly averse to these things, up through the period of the Bolsheviks. They understood that too! But since around the Nazi era, revisionism finally was able to distort everything so badly and indoctrinate it through brainwashing camps, that it is almost impossible to bring it to the surface again. Not to an American. I think maybe the subjected Hawaiians retain some of the memory, and that would be about it.


Russia is at least in the position that it *is* an ancient culture, whereas "America", at most, was a temporary escape from the British Empire. Since we surrendered back to it, and, this is the same as the Nazis and Pan-Europa, there is nothing to "stand for". You can let it "stand on you" and that's about it.

[Ravenlocke]

Posted by Mashika here,
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1531505

“ Did you start pushing out vapor from your ears and eyes were red and there were veines popping out on your forehead? It sure looks like you went through that just typing that sentence lmao”



Sorry still laughing 😂 😂😂😂😂

[Ravenlocke]

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[Ravenlocke]

Jackson Hinkle got suspended on Twitter for this

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=dl8hzBP32pY

[Mashika]

Also, for a deeper explanation, i would like to note this


There's a tremendous amount of information posted here by Ravenlocke. Most people would not even know how much time and effort it takes to curate a gigantic amount of info to extract only the valuable items and leave behind fake info and all other kinds of disinfo out there


No one seems willing to post opposite views. Is this because they can't, or because they don't care? That would be odd, to not care to expose an opposite view, if they do have one


I mostly see, when someone replies in anger or accusing this to be a 'chamber' of sorts, they never, ever, provide anything but a talking point. Why? The thread is open to anyone, why feel you can't post your opinion? Unless you fear that it is not 'yours' and you will be called to it?



I think i have also a second comment to make, which may be deeply related to this entire affair


Fear <---------------------------> Love
Russia <----------------------------> Ukraine


See that? It's called the "life line", a more in depth explanation follows below.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=p20GYzCnfr0

[Mashika]

Slowly, but surely, the truth is filtering out, no amount of propaganda can stop this


I guess he will probably be demonized, but i do also think that there's no way to hide this truth from the world much longer, at some point you have to accept it, and at some point, if the support for Nazis does not stop, they will feel so safe and secure on their perfect world, they will come out to the world as what they are, expecting everyone to follow behind them simply because they expect the brainwashing must have worked enough and in a good way so that people are not able to go back anymore. People will feel the social pressure to agree, they depend on that at a local but also at a global level

"Serfs will serf"

Fortunately, i am not a careless person, i have already found a place for all the people with their little ukronazi flags on their social profiles to live under after this entire thing comes to light the way it actually is, here's where to go live without any regrets or repercussions, until the next 'government directed social warrior movement' comes around