WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

[Ravenlocke]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

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[Zelensky] is a man who refuses to attend peace talks and is working overtime to start a nuclear WWIII.

And who is directly responsible for

• The deaths of over 100,000 Ukrainian soldiers
• The serious injuries of up to 400,000 more
• The mass exodus of millions of Ukrainians to the EU (most never to return)
• Condoning (and possibly ordering) a seriously large number of war crimes
• Attempting to destroy as much authentic Russian culture as he possibly can
• The inevitable total collapse and destruction of Ukraine as a modern country.

Yes to all of the above but since NATO and EU members are backing him up they have to keep the lie going and the false illusion about Ukraine winning. Also apparently Time magazine named Hitler man of the year in I think 1941. Is history repeating?




Here’s Judge Napolitano with Scott Ritter, latest video it’s worth a listen.

Scott Ritter - Ukraine-Russia War Longer than Expected

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=67OpqQ7vo5A

[shaberon]

Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
Yes to all of the above but since NATO and EU members are backing him up they have to keep the lie going and the false illusion about Ukraine winning. Also apparently Time magazine named Hitler man of the year in I think 1941. Is history repeating?

1938, shortly after the '36 Berlin Olympics.

Not a repeat--same strategy since Oliver Cromwell, which gave Finance a role occupied by the Pope for centuries prior.



It would seem to take a lot to accomplish a coup in Germany. What happened here never saw any charges, after Smedley Butler complained about the would-be fascist Business Plot, which came on the heels of the following:


On July 17, 1932, thousands of World War I veterans converged on Washington, D.C., set up tent camps, and demanded immediate payment of bonuses due to them according to the World War Adjusted Compensation Act of 1924...

President Herbert Hoover ordered the marchers removed and U.S. Army cavalry troops under the command of Gen. Douglas MacArthur destroyed their camps.

The following year:


Roosevelt was damned as a socialist or Communist out to destroy private enterprise by sapping the gold backing of wealth in order to subsidize the poor.


Conservative business leaders could not stand him.


Butler made accusations:


The McCormack–Dickstein Committee began examining evidence on an alleged plot on November 20, 1934.

Butler testified that Gerald C. MacGuire attempted to recruit him to lead a coup, promising him an army of 500,000 men for a march on Washington, D.C., and financial backing.


The NYT spit on it and MacGuire was the only one who took the stand:


Others whom Butler accused were not called to testify because the "committee has had no evidence before it that would in the slightest degree warrant calling before it such men ... The committee will not take cognizance of names brought into testimony which constitute mere hearsay."


Usually takes big stuff to do this kind of thing. I would not be surprised if some Germans gave it serious thought, but it takes a critical mass to achieve anything by force.

[shaberon]

Here is a bit that explains the recent unrest in Iran:


Secondly, the delayed response, by the police and security forces, emboldened the true culprits and the trained actors and agents, and their masters and gave them a false sense of victory, that wonderful mirage. Therefore, they came out of their hiding places en masse. Many hidden hands and covert agents, some of whom were trained and in waiting for decades, have exposed themselves. Countless networks of operatives have been identified and destroyed. Key members of many of those networks have been arrested or killed. The details the arrested operatives provide in their confessions are rather illuminating.


“A security official, in a communication with Al-Alam Network, affirmed heavy support of several Western countries of riots in Iran and added these countries have said they will stop their support for the rioters should Iran accept 4 conditions. According to him, these countries have said if Iran [1] injects supplies of oil and gas into the global market without limits and pre-conditions during current energy crisis, [2] accepts the Western position in its nuclear files, [3] reaches an agreement with the Saudi regime with regards to regional issues, and [4] cuts all cooperation with Russia, they will stop their support for the protesters/rioters.”


That article has some depositions and a lot more stuff, but, that gives us a quick glimpse of Democracy at work. Plus you see why everything is not attacked at once American style. Sometimes you need to go through some painful maneuvering in order to get a situation where suddenly you can stop a hundred Mossad employees.

The demise of Zionist projects in the country is attributed to them believing their own lies.


My governor on the sabotage out here:


"...we can’t let this happen."


Um, what?

They got it fixed and this is the last night of curfew, and, so far the leads are the large amount of suspicious chatter from social media...

Here, we just let people go in front of a flock of reporters.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
[Here’s Judge Napolitano with Scott Ritter, latest video it’s worth a listen.

Scott Ritter - Ukraine-Russia War Longer than Expected

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=67OpqQ7vo5A

This was very illuminating, as an addendum to Alexander Mercouris' take on this which I'd posted here. Start in at 12.30, for about 5 minutes.

Scott Ritter points out that as an attack on a Russian nuclear base, Russian doctrine would theoretically allow Russia to launch nuclear retaliation.

Of course, they've not done this. Ritter suggests that Biden (or his handlers) could not have known about the strike, and whoever in the US was party to the attack (as much have been the case) needs their head to be delivered to the White House on a platter.

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EU Defense Coalition intends to provide long-term military assistance to Ukraine.

Defense ministers and representatives from 12 countries (Belgium, the United Kingdom, Germany, Denmark, Spain, Italy, the Netherlands, Norway, Finland, France, Sweden, and Estonia), members of the defense coalition “European Intervention Initiative” (EI2), met in Oslo on Wednesday and agreed on the importance of long-term military support for Ukraine. The Swedish government Office reported this in a joint statement issued on Thursday.

The meeting was held under the chairmanship of Norway to discuss security issues and the situation in Europe following the start of the Russian Federation’s special military operation. According to the statement, the ministers or their representatives exchanged an analysis of the Ukrainian conflict and “agreed on the need to support Ukraine on a long-term basis.” “They also reaffirmed their support for Sweden and Finland’s membership in NATO, which will strengthen security in the Baltic and Northern regions, and recalled their support in this process,” according to the document.

France informed the meeting’s participants about the security situation in West Africa, and they also discussed the European strategy in the region to combat terrorism. “The ministers or their representatives agreed to expand the strategic culture initiative in response to Europe’s current and projected security challenges. Sweden and Finland also presented the results of the working group on disinformation’s work “The statement elaborates.

They also reaffirmed her support for Sweden and Finland joining NATO.

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https://asiatimes.com/2022/12/milita...d-us-guidance/

Military sources: Ukraine missiles used US guidance

Both NATO and Russian observers reject Blinken denial of US satellite involvement in attacks on Russian bases

NATO sources as well as Russian military sources reject US Secretary of State Antony Blinken’s claim Tuesday that the United States had nothing to do with Ukraine’s missile strike against Russian air force bases December 5 and 6.

“We have neither encouraged nor enabled the Ukrainians to strike inside of Russia,” Blinken told reporters during a meeting with US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin and Australian officials.

Multiple military sources in NATO countries as well as Russia contradict him, reporting that the reconditioned Russian Tu-141 drones that Ukraine launched at Russian air bases downlinked US satellite GPS data to hit their targets.

The 1970s-vintage Russian recon drones were converted into cruise missiles, fitted with new guidance systems and directed by American satellites, the sources said. Ukraine does not have the capability to guide missiles on its own, they added.

Russia’s Defense Ministry identified one of the weapons as the Tu-141 in a December 6 statement. According to Russian military sources, the Russians identified the Tu-141 from fragments recovered after the missiles struck Russia’s Dyagilevo and Engels air force bases.

If, contrary to Blinken’s denial, the United States provided guidance for the missile attack, then Washington must be well aware that this brings NATO forces to the brink of direct involvement in the Ukraine war and the Biden administration must be prepared to run that risk.

The damage that Ukraine inflicted on Russian planes at the two Russian bases is trivial compared with the strategic risk that the United States has introduced into the conflict.

As Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman General Mark Milley warned on November 9, there is no military victory in sight for the Ukraine War.

Russia analyst James Davis writing in the December 7 edition of the Global Polarity Monitor, a strategic report published in cooperation with Asia Times, described a military stalemate:

Russia continues to pursue a defensive strategy in Ukraine to solidify defensive lines and to raise the costs of Ukrainian military operations…. Moscow also remains confident that the growing expenditures of the West to sustain Ukraine will motivate Western leaders including President Biden to explore the possibility of a peaceful settlement of the conflict. Russia believes that holding the defensive lines will demonstrate that the cost of supporting Ukraine to achieve a complete reversal of the Russian position in Ukraine, including Crimea, is simply too high.

Milley’s mention of a “window” for peace talks during the winter pause in fighting provoked consternation among US officials who want victory at all costs. While Milley and US military leaders believe that the only way out of the war is negotiation with Russia, the US State Department and National Security Council are determined to achieve a military victory over Russia by any means necessary.

NATO is divided on how to resolve the Ukraine conflict. French President Macron and German Chancellor Olaf Scholz have revived the idea of offering security guarantees to Russia, including Ukrainian neutrality.

US Undersecretary of State Victoria Nuland visited Kyiv December 3 to reassure the Ukrainians that the US believes that “Putin is not sincere” in proposing negotiations “and not ready for this.”

Ukraine doesn’t have the forces to mount an effective counteroffensive against the Russians, so a military solution presupposes NATO troops on the ground.

The attack on the Russian bases might be intended to provoke a Russian response that would, in turn, justify the deployment of NATO ground troops in Ukraine.

American satellites used to guide missiles into Russian territory, might be considered legitimate military targets, Russian foreign ministry official Vladimir Yermakov said November 30. A Russian attack on US satellites could draw the US into a war with Russia.

A prominent Chinese military columnist, Chen Feng of guancha.cn (“Observer”), wrote December 7 that “It is an open secret that Western satellites are being used to support the Ukrainian army in operations, but it is also a matter of mortal danger.” Chen offered a stern warning to Moscow:

Unless Russia can accurately identify a small satellite that is supporting the Ukrainian war and release credible evidence, destroying a small satellite of the United States or a NATO country is equivalent to launching a war against the United States or a NATO country. As far as the existing technology is concerned, it is impossible that Russia would have the ability to accurately identify the suspected satellite. Taking the initiative to draw the United States or NATO into the Ukraine war may not be a consequence that Russia can afford.

Yermakov “should not have made such a statement,” Chen concluded.

Guancha.cn frequently raises issues of importance to China’s leadership, and Chen’s widely-followed column suggests that Beijing has serious worries about the possible widening of the Ukraine conflict into a world war.

A Russian source with access to the thinking of Vladimir Putin’s inner circle said that Russia would not retaliate against US satellites. “That would be a casus belli for the United States,” the source said.

NATO military analysts worry that Russia might launch an intermediate-range ballistic missile with a conventional rather than a nuclear payload at a major Ukrainian target, as a warning to the West about the consequences of escalating the conflict. IRBMs travel roughly ten times faster than cruise missiles like the TU-141 and are practically impossible to shoot down.

A Russian military analyst, though, told Asia Times that this tactic was discussed and rejected by the Russian military. Reconfiguration of missiles designed to carry nuclear warheads would be difficult and time-consuming, the analyst said.

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[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
American satellites used to guide missiles into Russian territory, might be considered legitimate military targets, Russian foreign ministry official Vladimir Yermakov said November 30. A Russian attack on US satellites could draw the US into a war with Russia.

A prominent Chinese military columnist, Chen Feng of guancha.cn (“Observer”), wrote December 7 that “It is an open secret that Western satellites are being used to support the Ukrainian army in operations, but it is also a matter of mortal danger.” Chen offered a stern warning to Moscow:

Unless Russia can accurately identify a small satellite that is supporting the Ukrainian war and release credible evidence, destroying a small satellite of the United States or a NATO country is equivalent to launching a war against the United States or a NATO country. As far as the existing technology is concerned, it is impossible that Russia would have the ability to accurately identify the suspected satellite. Taking the initiative to draw the United States or NATO into the Ukraine war may not be a consequence that Russia can afford.

This is very interesting. While all the caveats and dangers apply, I'd not be at all surprised if there were military voices in the Kremlin urging Russia to take down US spy satellites.

[norman]

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https://asiatimes.com/2022/12/milita...d-us-guidance/

Military sources: Ukraine missiles used US guidance

Both NATO and Russian observers reject Blinken denial of US satellite involvement in attacks on Russian bases

NATO sources as well as Russian military sources reject US Secretary of State Antony Blinken’s claim Tuesday that the United States had nothing to do with Ukraine’s missile strike against Russian air force bases December 5 and 6.

“We have neither encouraged nor enabled the Ukrainians to strike inside of Russia,” Blinken told reporters during a meeting with US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin and Australian officials.

US modified its high-tech launch system to prevent Ukrainian military from launching rockets into Russia
Wednesday, December 07, 2022 by: JD Heyes

https://www.naturalnews.com/2022-12-...m-ukraine.html



The American deep state, for some reason, has a penchant for Ukraine, and it shows in more ways than one.

First and foremost, the Obama administration was neck-deep in the 2014 regime change operation there, which was followed by then-Vice President Joe Biden’s son, Hunter, landing lucrative business deals in the country’s corrupt energy sector.

And now, the deep state has sided with Ukraine over Russia, as evidenced by all of the Ukrainian flag lapel pins worn by our lawmakers and flag icons on their Twitter profiles — oh, and the billions we are sending that country in terms of weapons.

But apparently, there has been at least some restraint in to the manner in which we are helping Kyiv’s corrupt, neo-Nazi government: We aren’t providing weapons at their fullest capability so as not to give Russia a reason to attack NATO with conventional or, worse, nuclear weapons.

According to The Wall Street Journal, the sophisticated HIMARS guided multiple launch rocket systems the Pentagon has transferred to the Ukrainian army have been modified so that the projectiles cannot be fired into Russia proper.

The outlet explains:

The U.S. since June has supplied Ukrainian forces with 20 High Mobility Artillery Rocket System launchers, or Himars, and a large inventory of satellite-guided rockets with a range of almost 50 miles. Those rockets, known as the Guided Multiple Launch Rocket System, or GMLRS, have been used to strike Russian ammunition depots, logistics supplies and command centers on Ukrainian territory.

But the Himars launchers have a unique feature intended to prevent them from becoming even more potent battlefield systems. U.S. officials say the Pentagon has modified the launchers so they can’t fire long-range missiles, including the U.S.’s Army Tactical Missile System rockets, or ATACMS, which have a range of nearly 200 miles.

The WSJ noted further that the previously unreported modifications to the launchers and the projectiles demonstrate how far the deep state has gone to ensure that its support for Kyiv remains balanced and does not risk escalation with Russia’s forces which, truthfully, appear to have their hands full just fighting the Ukrainians. The modifications also ensure that the Ukrainians don’t renege on their pledge not to strike Russian territory, though they would be in their rights to do so since Russia is the invader.

The Pentagon, of course, refused to comment on the matter.

“Due to operational security considerations, we do not comment publicly on the configuration of systems provided to allies and partners,” said Air Force Brig. Gen. Patrick Ryder, a Pentagon spokesman. “The United States remains committed to providing Ukraine the capabilities it needs to counter Russian aggression.”

“To guard against the risk of escalation, the U.S. secured a commitment from President Volodymyr Zelensky that the launchers wouldn’t be used to strike targets on Russian territory. Ukraine has honored that pledge, which Ukrainian officials say shows Kyiv can be trusted with longer-range weapons,” the WSJ reported.

Separately, the WSJ reported that a trio of Russian airbases was struck inside Russia by Ukrainian drones, killing personnel and damaging aircraft. One attack also ignited a fuel storage facility at the airbase.

“The attack on the Kursk airport, which was closed to civil aviation after Russia invaded Ukraine in February, followed Monday’s strikes on Russian strategic-bomber bases in Engels and Diagilevo. Both bases are hundreds of miles from Ukrainian-controlled territory. Kursk is around 65 miles from the Ukrainian border,” the paper noted.

“While Ukraine lacks the kind of long-range cruise and ballistic missiles Moscow has rained on Ukrainian cities for the past nine months, Western officials say that Kyiv has partially offset that asymmetry with attacks on strategic targets deep in Russian territory. Those include the October strike against the bridge linking Russia to Crimea and the August destruction of several military aircraft at the Saki air base,” it added.

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[Ravenlocke]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
American satellites used to guide missiles into Russian territory, might be considered legitimate military targets, Russian foreign ministry official Vladimir Yermakov said November 30. A Russian attack on US satellites could draw the US into a war with Russia.

A prominent Chinese military columnist, Chen Feng of guancha.cn (“Observer”), wrote December 7 that “It is an open secret that Western satellites are being used to support the Ukrainian army in operations, but it is also a matter of mortal danger.” Chen offered a stern warning to Moscow:

Unless Russia can accurately identify a small satellite that is supporting the Ukrainian war and release credible evidence, destroying a small satellite of the United States or a NATO country is equivalent to launching a war against the United States or a NATO country. As far as the existing technology is concerned, it is impossible that Russia would have the ability to accurately identify the suspected satellite. Taking the initiative to draw the United States or NATO into the Ukraine war may not be a consequence that Russia can afford.

This is very interesting. While all the caveats and dangers apply, I'd not be at all surprised if there were military voices in the Kremlin urging Russia to take down US spy satellites.

I’d like to point out that Russia has launched successfully several of its own satellites before the attack and close to the US satellites so they can “listen” to each other probably.

“Unless Russia can accurately identify a small satellite that is supporting the Ukrainian war and release credible evidence, destroying a small satellite of the United States or a NATO country is equivalent to launching a war against the United States or a NATO country”

Russia is already in a proxy war with NATO and it’s Western partners and they know that very well and they are not the ones using another country to fight their war, I believe this articles warning to Russia is like a repeat of the warning Xi Jinping made publicly to Moscow when Stoltz flew to China to meet with Xi, not long ago,


Also the attack on Russian territory gave Russia the right to use Nuclear weapons to defend itself and retaliate if they wish to, but Russia knows this and is not rushing nor hastening the SMO, nor does it want to escalate the Operation to use Nukes. Hence Putins speech to the United Nations yesterday where he says that Russia is aware and are not going to use Nuclear weapons on a whim (see speech posted on this thread for correct wording, sorry I’m pressed for time right now ).

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