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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    The important and accurate understanding of the Russian position is in the use of "suspend", and not the peculiar western interpretation as our (many) medias might have us believe, such as "rip up" etc.

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    Foreign Ministry statement in connection with the Russian Federation suspending the Treaty on Measures for the Further Reduction and Limitation of Strategic Offensive Arms (New START)

    Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation
    February 22, 2023


    Source: Telegraph



    By releasing a statement regarding the New START Treaty on February 8, 2023, as well as in the comments by the Foreign Ministry’s senior officials on this topic, the Foreign Ministry provided a detailed assessment of the deplorable state of affairs regarding the implementation of the New START Treaty resulting from the destructive actions by the United States in the context of this agreement, as well as its overall policy line to weaken the security of the Russian Federation and strangle our country in political and economic terms.

    Building on the approaches outlined earlier, the Foreign Ministry notes the following negative factors preventing the New START from being fully operational, which is the fault of the United States.

    The Russian Federation found itself in a radically new security environment resulting from Washington’s extreme hostility and efforts to stir up confrontation, as well as its overt commitment to promoting a malicious escalation of the conflict in and around Ukraine.

    In the meantime, we would like to point out that the New START’s preamble, which is an integral part of the treaty, sets forth the commitment by the parties to the principle of indivisible security and forging relations based on mutual trust and cooperation. However, the United States is now openly seeking to inflict a “strategic defeat” on Russia, while tensions encouraged by Washington go far beyond the Ukraine crisis with the United States and the US-led West trying to harm our country at every possible level, in every sphere and region of the world.

    There is every reason to argue that the United States policy aims to undermine Russia’s national security, which directly contradicts the fundamental principles and understandings set forth in the New START’s preamble and forming its foundation. It would not have been signed without stating these principles. This de facto amounts to a fundamental change of circumstances compared to those prevailing at the time of signing the New START Treaty.

    In this situation, it is no longer possible to maintain business as usual with the United States and the West in general, both as a matter of principle and regarding arms control, which is inseparable from the geopolitical, military and strategic reality.

    Moreover, the fact that Western countries coalesced around the anti-Russia agenda increasingly impacts their nuclear policy, which constitutes a serious shift in the security landscape. In particular, NATO members have been carrying out the so-called Joint Nuclear Operations for decades, and designated the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation as a “nuclear alliance” at a certain point, while also placing a bigger emphasis on nuclear weapons in NATO’s conceptual documents and stating their commitment to further strengthening and improving the combat readiness of the relevant capabilities that are under NATO control. We are hearing calls to build up the block’s nuclear infrastructure and expand it eastward. And they are not even hiding the fact that these efforts target our country.

    In this context, the integrated nuclear capability of the three nuclear powers within NATO, namely the United States, Great Britain, and France, takes on special importance in today’s environment. This capability can be turned against Russia. In this sense, it is quite symbolic that all NATO countries, including Great Britain and France, have explicitly confirmed their involvement in matters related to the New START Treaty by issuing a joint statement to support the US approaches. This political gesture confirmed that Russia adopted a justified position in viewing the nuclear capabilities of the three Western nuclear powers as forming a single whole, taking this factor into consideration when dealing with processes related to nuclear arms limitation and reduction, as well as when exploring matters related to the New START’s future.

    Washington has for years disregarded the interrelationship between strategic offensive and strategic defensive weapons, which is also sealed in the New START Treaty. Russia’s statement on ballistic missile defence, which was made in the context of the signing and ratification of the treaty, provided a clear reference to that interrelationship. In that document, we unambiguously pointed out that New START could only be viable if the United States refrained from the qualitative and quantitative build-up of its BMD systems. Nevertheless, Washington continues to openly take steps in the opposite direction. This factor is acquiring special significance in the context of the overall aggravation of the military-strategic situation.

    Of vital importance for assessing compliance with New START is the fact that Washington has long been seriously violating the fundamental provisions of the treaty on the quantitative restrictions of the parties’ relevant armaments. This includes the unilateral withdrawal from the counting rules of over 100 US strategic offensive systems, which Washington has renamed in order to withdraw them from the treaty provisions or it has claimed that they have been converted without giving Russia an opportunity to reliably verify the compliance of such conversion with the treaty provisions, in accordance with the procedures set out in the treaty. We have pointed out this clear and direct violation on numerous occasions.

    In addition, the United States undertook clearly provocative and extremely dangerous attempts to probe the protection of several Russian facilities included in the treaty. The armed attacks on them, which the puppet regime in Kiev launched, were organised with Washington’s obvious military-technical, information and intelligence support.

    In this context, we regard as utterly cynical Washington’s demand that they be given immediate access to these and other Russian strategic facilities in accordance with the New START provisions on inspections. This is especially outrageous in conditions when Washington’s anti-Russia restrictions have impaired the efficiency of the verification procedures stipulated in the treaty. As the result, Russia’s ability to freely conduct verification inspections on a fully equal basis in US territory has been curtailed, creating obvious unilateral advantages for the United States.

    We have more than once provided our assessment of the situation to the American party and invariably called on Washington to take action to balance the situation with due regard to Russia’s concerns. However, Washington continued to take deliberate and malicious steps to undermine Russia’s security. The stakes in the hybrid war launched against Russia by the United States are rising.

    Taking all these circumstances into account, Russia has come to the conclusion that the United States has seriously violated the New START Treaty and that this violation is of fundamental importance for the realisation of the treaty’s objective and goals.

    In this context, President of Russia Vladimir Putin announced in his February 21 Address to the Federal Assembly that Russia would suspend the New START Treaty.

    In order to maintain the necessary level of predictability and stability in the nuclear missile area, Russia will take a prudent approach and will continue to strictly comply with the quantitative restrictions stipulated in the treaty for strategic offensive armaments within the life cycle of the treaty. Russia will also continue to exchange notifications of ICBM and SLBM launches with the United States in accordance with the relevant Soviet-US agreement signed in 1988.

    The decision to suspend the New START Treaty can be reversed if Washington demonstrates the political will and takes honest efforts towards general de-escalation and the creation of conditions for resuming the comprehensive operation of the treaty and, consequently, its survival. This is exactly what we urge the American party to do. Until then, any steps to accommodate Washington with regard to New START are absolutely out of the question.

    We also urge the United States to refrain from taking any steps that might hinder the resumption of the treaty if conditions for this are created. We are convinced that the treaty’s potential in terms of its contribution to strengthening international security and strategic stability is far from exhausted. On the other hand, it can only be used in full measure if conditions are re-established for the parties’ symmetrical, equal and strict compliance with the treaty.

    We intend to closely monitor subsequent actions by the United States and its allies in the area of strategic offensive weapons and international security and strategic stability as a whole, as well as analyse them for possible damage to Russia’s interests and the need for us to take additional countermeasures.
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    Update on the fighting around Bakhmut (Artemovsk) via Donbass Devushka Telegram channel:

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    ❗️🇷🇺🇺🇦 Battle for Bakhmut
    situation as of 14.00 February 23, 2023

    🔻According to some reports, the Ukrainian formations retreated from Berkhovka, and the settlement came under the complete control of the assault detachments of the Wagner PMC. The village is being cleared.

    ▪️Fighting for the village has been going on for the past few days, and yesterday the "Wagnerites" pushed the formations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to the western outskirts. At night, Ukrainian units departed for Dubovo-Vasilevka and Yagodnoe.

    ▪️Now the assault on the village of Yagodnoye continues, where the Armed Forces of Ukraine transferred reinforcements the day before. At the moment, clashes continue near the Bakhmut nursery, where Ukrainian paratroopers dug in.

    🔻The liberation of Berkhovka allows you to completely cut off the supply of the Ukrainian group in Bakhmut through the roads passing in the village and nearby. This will make it possible to increase the pressure on the nearby Dubovo-Vasilevka and Yagodnoe.

    Now the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is trying with all its might to hold the Yagodnoye line - the Stupka area in Bakhmut until a new line of defense is built at Chasy Yar. Strongholds are being prepared in Bogdanovka to defend the city.

    Russian troops also conducted reconnaissance in combat on the Zaliznyanskoye-Vasyukovka line. In Kyiv, they fear a breakthrough in the defense in this sector and an exit to the rear of the AFU grouping in the Seversk agglomeration.

    At the moment, the paratroopers of the 10th brigade and 81st brigade of the DShV of Ukraine are trying to recapture their lost positions in the direction of Vesele, east of Soledar and Belogorovka, west of Lysichansk.
    Source: https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/45643
    This is how UK Mainstream Media (BBC) describes "Russia's Wagner Group of Mercenaries in Ukraine" ... are there better trustworthier sources describing them more accurately elsewhere, if so, where can I find it?

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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    Quote Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)

    This is how UK Mainstream Media (BBC) describes "Russia's Wagner Group of mercenaries in Ukraine" ... are there a better trustworthier sources describing them more accurately elsewhere, if so, where can I find it? ...

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    I'd suggest Igor Strelkov, former Russian fighter turned blogger who, according to Anatoly Karlin wrote "a short history of the Wagner PMC", but it looks like the link that he provided, here on this thread now fails to redirect to the article or the site.
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    Lightbulb Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

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    Quote Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)

    This is how UK Mainstream Media (BBC) describes "Russia's Wagner Group of mercenaries in Ukraine" ... are there a better trustworthier sources describing them more accurately elsewhere, if so, where can I find it? ...

    cheers,
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    I'd suggest Igor Strelkov, former Russian fighter turned blogger who, according to Anatoly Karlin wrote "a short history of the Wagner PMC", but it looks like the link that he provided, here on this thread now fails to redirect to the article or the site.
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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    A potentially important update from Dima earlier today following the Russian MoD Moldova 'alert' reported here:

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    Question Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    • World War III Appears Imminent as the Establishment Attempts to Sweep Vaccine Genocide Under the Rug:


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    This past week will be remembered by most historians – if anyone is lucky enough to live through this Age of Self-Destruction – as the point of no return for the Russo-Ukrainian war.

    too long to extract
    read https://asiatimes.com/2023/02/world-...-already-here/
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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    Ukraine marks the future of remote-control war

    summary of drones of both sides and capabilities

    https://asiatimes.com/2023/02/ukrain...e-control-war/

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    (Extracted via the Telegram link, Sputnik, above)
    Today, the former weapons inspector warned, "Russia is no longer a defeated, compliant state. The Russians have nuclear superiority over us today. Their missiles are better than anything we have. We don't have a missile defense system worthy of the name. And so if there was a nuclear conflict, we would be annihilated. Now the good chance is we would annihilate them, too.

    Which brings us back to the situation that we existed in the 1960s, where we suddenly realized that this concept of mutually assured destruction wasn't a bad concept because it sort of put the brakes on nuclear conflict. Unfortunately, we have people today in Washington, D.C., that believe in American nuclear superiority or American nuclear supremacy, and they don't believe in arms control. And we need to replace them. We need to get rid of them. We need to bring in people who recognize that arms control is the only way to save the human race.”

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    Russian President Vladimir Putin gave a speech in which he notified the world that the Russian Federation is suspending cooperation on the START treaty.

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    Mark Sleboda, Moscow-based international relations security analyst, joins us to discuss President Putin's speech. Russian President Vladimir Putin gave a speech in which he notified the world that the Russian Federation is suspending cooperation on the START treaty. Also, the neocons are eyeing Hungary for regime change.

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    Scott Ritter, former UN weapon inspector in Iraq, joins us to discuss foreign policy. Russian President Vladimir Putin gave a speech in which he notified the world that the Russian Federation is suspending cooperation on the New START treaty. Also, US neocons are pushing for escalation in Ukraine.

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    The important and accurate understanding of the Russian position is in the use of "suspend", and not the peculiar western interpretation as our (many) medias might have us believe, such as "rip up" etc.

    (...)
    That they would reconstruct the Russian in that way was to be expected. It reminds me of the way the words of one of the former Presidents of Iran, Ahmadi Nezhâd, i.e. that “Israel” should be "mahv shavad" (مهو شود), was interpreted as meaning "that Israel should be wiped off the map" (i.e. physically destroyed), whereas what he said and meant was that the name Israel should be erased from the maps, not at all implying that the people, the language, the culture should be eliminated. (Which statement of mine does not mean that statements about the physical elimination of the adversary have not been voiced by both parties.)

    For a similar statement, i.e. that Israel and Palestine should be replaced by a common state which would then be called Isratina, Muhammad Khadafi was punished with getting an “embedded observer’s” bayonet worked up his anal opening and then stirred about a while as is done (by way of a fine allusion embedded in the procedure) when preparing the local sheep innards soup.

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    Edge of Darkness

    Two days ago I watched an interview with actor/director Mel Gibson in a Thread called "Hollywierd" here in Avalon.
    It seems that he is one of the few people in entertainment business with some percent of "integrity" and for that
    was punish in different ways...(from Hollywood and presstitutes)

    Today I wanted to watch some don't knower movie with him and found this one: Edge of Darkness (2010)
    It is branded as "conspiracy thriller".

    My jaw dropped on the floor when this lines came out:

    "...they are making nuclear weapons, but these are not American nuclear weapons...
    They are weapons designed to foreign specifications and built with foreign materials.
    So, obviously, if these bombs were ever to be used... they would be traced directly back to another country and
    not the United States"


    I know... its a movie, but you see? when you want to entertain your self whit something else...

    Synchronicity is a B1cht ! and the movie title pass to the second!

    here to watch: https://hdtoday.tv/watch-movie/watch...-16979.5302192

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    Alex Thompson does the 30,000 foot view better than most.

    Geopolitics & Empire - Alex Thomson: Both East & West Are Interested in WW3 or an Eternal Penumbra of Doomsday

    SHOW NOTES
    Former GCHQ Officer Alex Thomson discusses the Anglo-American establishment's fixation on Ukraine as the underbelly of the World Island and how it is not in the interest now of either the West or the Russians to de-escalate. The logic of the expansionist system on both sides is that they're more interested in a Third World War or an eternal penumbra of Doomsday as opposed to the return of a Westphalian order. There is not a better world solution coming from Russia or China where there also exists world domination-minded elements. Very few national leaders remain who are willing and able to oppose globalism, there is an inevitable trend toward world government. He's optimistic about being able to survive the Algorithm Ghetto via parallel structures and also comments on prophecy, information operations, and antisemitic trolls.



    video version:

    https://rumble.com/v2adsa2-alex-thom...l-penumbr.html


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    ..................................................my first language is TYPO..............................................

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    Yes, this is a sobering interaction for sure



    Source: https://twitter.com/narrative_hole/s...41163410358272
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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    If you want to see how effective the sanctions against Russia and the support from USofA, EU and even the Swiss recent pallets of greenbacks to prolong the war in Ukraine/destroy Russia are,
    this walkaround in a German supermarket (in Moscow) may be enlightening.

    Starving and freezing russians can only choose between six variants of Mandarins, Swiss cheese with the Swiss flag, Coca Cola and american liquors.
    The bread price is about half of Sweden's and the egg department is about 20m long ...

    26:08 min
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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    Quote Posted by Tintin (here)

    Yes, this is a sobering interaction

    (...)
    Thank you Tintin. Sobering and sad.

    IQ can be measured, and, as Jordan Peterson correctly contends, scientifically soundly measured by a test. EQ can not really be measured, but its presence, to a larger or smaller extent, can be established.

    It is clear that the man on the left does not understand the issues, and the man on the right does: he is just considerably brighter than the man on the left.

    In their eyes can be read how sensitive they are to the emotional side (investment and impact) of the discussion. The man on the left looks (in the meaning of: “has a glance appearing”) desensitised, drugged even; the man on the right embodies feelings he is aware of and stands up for.

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    Twice today I accidently saw a bit about Ukraine on the MSM news on telly - the first time when I was visiting someone in a Care Home and there was a big flat screen on the wall ... it was 11 o'clock and a morning show was covering the nationwide minute's silence for Ukraine to mark one year of the Russian Special Military Operation called an Invasion by them ... I didn't know it was happening and they certainly weren't showing any interest in the Care Home - the staff I mean, the residents had various stages of dementia ... It was very annoying that they were trying to pull the whole country into the anti Russia/pro Ukraine charade on this level - but I wonder how many in Britain really approved of it... I'm guessing that most people are probably fed up with the whole thing and wonder what it has all got to do with us... ??

    Then later in the day around 5... I caught a couple of minutes of the Channel 5 news... it had a Ukraine Flag backdrop and they were showing a report of raggle taggle looking march in support of Ukraine, headed by a row of children - it was a big march in London they said... it was reaching right back along the road about a thousand people they said and there were marches like it all over the country they said... but they only showed the front of this one march - and I suspect, in reality, there wasn't much of a response...

    My suspicions were confirmed when the presenter said that Britain had been strongly supporting Ukraine for the last year including sending arms ... THEN... they slipped in... (from memory not the exact words) now many are asking if Ukraine and Russia should come together and negotiate Peace and the Archbishop of Canterbury said that after the war Russians shouldn't be treated like Germans were after WW2....

    So although Boris Johnson is ramping up the aggression and wants fighter jets sent over... are other groups in the UK behind the scenes trying to pull back from the precipice (of WW3)... and MSM outlets are being told to prepare the viewing public for a Russian Victory that must be carefully presented as a Russian defeat - because the public lack of interest in the whole affair is becoming more apparent as the fever pitch levels created by the warmongers and MSM over the last year cannot be maintained...

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    By Global Research News – February 25, 2023
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/video-...t-nato/5809938

    Video: NATO-Exit, Closure of Military Bases: Massive Protests against NATO
    Member States must contemplate withdrawal from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization as well as closure of US military bases.

    More than 70 years ago NATO was born. In April 1949, The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) established what was designated as the doctrine of “Collective Security” under Art. 5 of the Washington Treaty.

    NATO has a sordid history of aggression and war crimes. The US not only continues to “occupy” World War II “axis countries” (Italy, Germany), it has used the NATO emblem to install US military bases throughout Western Europe, as well as in Eastern Europe in the wake of the Cold War, extending into the Balkans in the wake of NATO’s war on Yugoslavia.

    NATO is a criminal entity, an instrument of the Pentagon. There is no “Alliance”. There is “Military Occupation”.

    What is required is a vast movement in Europe and North America in support of NATO-Exit.

    There is a (somewhat contradictory) clause within the Treaty of the Atlantic Alliance (Article 13) which enables withdrawal from NATO.
    Article 13 – After 20 years of the treaty in force, any party may cease to be a party one year after giving notice of denunciation to the Government of the United States of America, which will then inform all other parties.
    This clause has to be examined and a strategy must be envisaged.

    Member States must contemplate withdrawal from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization as well as closure of US military bases.

    Michel Chossudovsky, February 25, 2023

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    Daily Hot Video. France. Massive Protest Movement against NATO

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    Starting around now....

    The rally they couldn’t kill goes ahead on February 25 in Central London. No2 Nato, No 2 War(1:05)



    Quote The No 2 Nato, No 2 War rally still goes ahead in Central London after two venues shamefully cancelled. The royalty of the democracy movement will be speaking at it

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    Tucker Carlson telling it exactly as it is.

    This is crazy


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