Racism

[Mark]

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
The reference to 'melanin challenged' would be in this thread, many pages ago. I remember because I thought it was a novel derogatory term, and I was a bit jealous you had thought of it. Then the more I contemplated it, I realized it was an insult - like the 'N' word, or (meant to be worse than) 'cracker'.

Ok I found a discussion point where you were talking about it. It was a post about blue eyes and their evolution. Here was your response to that article, that did not state the phrase "melanin-challenged":

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
Okay.

My thoughts are that when I heard the idea that white skin is a mutation I started thinking of other ways such a trait could be explained without resorting to calling it a mutated version of the original. It seems to me that either conclusions should not be reached until we have more data or we have to consider the real possibility that there are other worlds and other humanoids indigenous to each.

Somehow melanin-deficiency seems ...uh... racist.

Oh now I get it. Sometimes I'm a bit slow. Not good at such word-play.

Turned the table on me. Nice one.

Point taken.

sorry

Nor did I state the phrase "melanin-challenged" at any point.

[T Smith]

Posted by Mark (here)

I am an activist for Black Lives, not an activist for an organization... You cannot conflate the two

This is assuring to hear you say... cuz there are so many activists with good and pure intentions of advancing the interests of Black Lives who do conflate the two.

Posted by Mark (here)

White people will be fine, DNA.

I'm not so confident any of us will be fine. Unless we so happen to be among the 500,000 living by the tenets etched in stone on the late Georgia Guidestones monument... In which case, I'm not overly worried about being White, Black, or Other. Indentured Pleb is the only identity that will matter in that world. And to be clear, I'm also not suggesting the sky is falling and the objectives on the Guidestones will ever come to pass, but I do believe the jury is out on the question. And it depends if we humans take the bait. And--with respect to those who hold opposing viewpoints, and with a reverence for and strong desire to achieve true social justice among all--embracing identity politics in the name of social justice certainly isn't the best way to avoid that outcome. IMHO.

Carry on....

[Agape]

I’ve recently come up with citation of my own mind saying “There are no “black&white” people, there are only colorful people with black&white opinions.”

Still hoping the world gets me right one day.

🌎

[Ernie Nemeth]

I've just read through this thread again.

The discussion here has been high level.

Mark has truly made this the thread that it is.

Excellent posts by many.

Such a difficult topic.

I see it as a sign of the strength of conviction that we represent but also our ability to change our minds when presented with compelling counter arguments.


Mark, I cannot find the post I was referring to so I must take back my accusation. Although I remember it, I might be mistaken about the context and the wording. Or I might have confused who said it.
Sorry.

[Ewan]

Here I am quoting myself and not for the first time, but I'd forgotten all about this and was amazed all over again. Look at the nested quote (which I have bolded), it obviously struck me then as being prescient - now even more so as we can see it unfolding everywhere within the west. The Commitee of 300 is very real seemingly!

Posted by Ewan (here)
That student newspaper article reminded me of the closing chapters of Shikasta (by Doris Lessing), which was the first in a series of novels entitled Canopus in Argos: Archives.

The disaffected youth of all nations gather in Greece for a trial, holding a representative of the white races to account for all the horrific history of said race. Namely the avarice, rape and murder with which they greeted virtually every nation they encountered, from a false arrogance of superiority. By the end of the trial however the majority had concluded that pretty much every nation had been the same in their own way to various different subsets of humanity. Rather than the white race being alone they were all guilty of man's inhumanity to man.

On p417 I just noticed an interesting part from which to quote. It is with the trial ended and the various factions heading off home..

..I was getting reports of rumours - very strong and persistent - particularly in India and Africa, that there were plans for 'mass transfer of populations' to all parts of Europe
(snip-snip-snip)
.... but the fact is, coincidence or not, massacres, a determined and planned wiping out of the remaining European populations was on the cards and being actively endorsed...

Shikasta was first published in 1979

What else was happening in 1979

Thatcher became the first female PM of Britain.
63 Americans are taken hostage in the American Embassy in Tehran
Iran's government becomes Islamic Republic when the Shah of Persia is forced to leave
400 Armed Sunni Islamic Muslims, seize the Grand Mosque in Mecca taking pilgrims present for the annual hajj hostage. The crisis ends after two weeks and more than 250 dead.
A mob attack destroys the US Embassy in Islamabad, Pakistan
The Sahara Desert experiences snow for 30 minutes. [You go global warming!] (Ok, climate change! 03/03/2023)
Rhodesia becomes Zimbabwe.

Regarding the 'a representative of the white races to account'. From memory it was this characters soul plan but the 3D incarnation had forgotten it, only to get back on track just in time to fulfill the plan. So Lessing knew all about soul contracts and the problems of actual incarnation. I sometimes wondered if she had actually channeled the story.

[Rawhide68]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWi5AZ94xRU&t=14s

[Mark]

Posted by T Smith (here)
This is assuring to hear you say... cuz there are so many activists with good and pure intentions of advancing the interests of Black Lives who do conflate the two.

That is very, very true. If I were such a person, I would not still be here on Project Avalon. The goals of folks who do that are not my goals. I do not align with Communism and China, I do not align with agendas that separate people and keep dividing us into smaller and more specialized interest groups.

I feel like that is part of the trap to keep us separated. To make us continue to think we are different from one another and cannot come to any common understandings.

Posted by T Smith (here)
I'm not so confident any of us will be fine. Unless we so happen to be among the 500,000 living by the tenets etched in stone on the late Georgia Guidestones monument... In which case, I'm not overly worried about being White, Black, or Other. Indentured Pleb is the only identity that will matter in that world. And to be clear, I'm also not suggesting the sky is falling and the objectives on the Guidestones will ever come to pass, but I do believe the jury is out on the question. And it depends if we humans take the bait. And--with respect to those who hold opposing viewpoints, and with a reverence for and strong desire to achieve true social justice among all--embracing identity politics in the name of social justice certainly isn't the best way to avoid that outcome. IMHO.

I agree.

But...I must point out, who started with the Identity Politics in the first place, in the late 1600s? And has kept it going for all of these centuries?

I'm just saying.

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Posted by Agape (here)
I’ve recently come up with citation of my own mind saying “There are no “black&white” people, there are only colorful people with black&white opinions.”

Love this.

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Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
Mark, I cannot find the post I was referring to so I must take back my accusation. Although I remember it, I might be mistaken about the context and the wording. Or I might have confused who said it.
Sorry.

Appreciate you, Sir.

[DNA]

Posted by Mark (here)
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I have always known that the divisions of this nation are false and the dichotomy of race was as well. It is a product of who I am and who I have always been, raised in the Military Industrial Complex in multiracial environments. I have always advocated for understanding and unity in the face of our shared humanity.

If I have succeeded in anything, it is nothing other than making sure that Othered voices are heard. And speaking up for those perspectives. For those of you who see that as a negative, your perspective is no longer dominant.

I read your words but I'm not extracting a meaning. It's as if you're introducing me to your thoughts but didn't get around to sharing them.

So I'll stick to the thread title. This isn't about you. This is about the current state of race relations.

I keep hearing about white supremacists like this is a current problem.
I don't think it is.
I think white supremacists exist in isolation pecking away at their keyboards or trying to be the cool guy buying alcohol for teenagers 20 years their junior.

I was born in a Midwest steel town.
A very racist Midwest steel Town.
It was 1986 when the first black family moved into this town.
I'm going to be honest, that family was taking a risk because up to that point there were no black families in this town.
But, times were changing and they came in and got along just fine. I was in junior high and friends with a young lady who belonged to that family. She was optimistic and happy and seemed to be doing just fine. She and her mother would come join me at my fishing hole in the near by lake.
More black families moved in. No big deal.

But a few years earlier my mother moved us into an all black neighborhood in North St.Louis.
I was seven at the time.
In that neighborhood I was mugged at knife point or rather my mother was, by four black men as my mother was carrying a bag of groceries pushing a stroller with my 4 year old sister in it trying to get us home. I remember her scream of pain as her purse strap was broken being yanked off of her arm.
My mother having a knife put in her face and threatened when the food stamps from her purse were not the score they were looking for. They still took the food stamps

I remember my 4 year old sister receiving a laceration across her forehead that would require 6 stitches to close. I remember the blood pouring from her forehead as I picked her up and carried her in the house. My shirt covered in her blood. All because she was a white girl playing ten feet from her porch and a group of black kids thought she would be good target practice to throw rocks at.

And the final blow before my mother gave up and moved us out was her being violently attacked in her own home in the middle of the night by three black men the details I will spare you.

Now, I have to tell you. I feel my family was singled out because we were white.
Is that racism?

Yes racism is real.
I've seen it from both sides.

But it got better.
Through the eighties and nineties.
By the year 2000 to 2010 I would say things were much better.

And then came Black Lives Matter and Democrats went full jump the shark mode trying to convince black people that they needed to be saved. They needed to be saved from the dreaded scurge of white supremacists.

These same democrats can't seem to figure out how the biggest danger to a black man, is a black man.

But no, let's continue with the threat to anyone of color is a white supremacist..

And you know what? They bought that ****.

The violence I saw from the 70s and 80s is returning.

Is it directed at Black people?
No it is not.

I dare you to name a city in the United States that a black person would feel they were not safe in. Because in my opinion it does not exist.

Same is far from the truth for white people.
There are parts of every major city it would be dammed dangerous for a white person to wonder into.

It didn't have to be like this.
Black Lives matter was supposed to be about police brutality which was a fair criticism. But this got conflated into white VS black.

There are no white supremacists of note and if you tried really hard to get a rally going, you wouldn't have enough for a game of four on four with a half court.

Remember 2014 when the media was slamming us day in and day out with the Trevon Martin case?
And then it was Furgassan MO?
And the it was George Floyd?

Didn't that seem suspicious that they were pushing a narrative?
I mean during the same time period there were hundreds of not thousands of other stories out there.
They knew what they were doing.
Creating a narrative.

It was the same thing you were doing when you blocked me from your Facebook page for pointing this out.

You did it again in 2019 when I tried to do the Facebook thing again. I was friends with Lord Sidious who's post popped on my page and low and behold it's your thread so to speak I get linked to.
You again were heavily invested in the Democratic party it was very pro Biden.
I was the only Trump supporter posting.
You defended socialism after my accusation that this was where we are heading under BLM and democrats.
After I outlined Trumps foreign policy of no war you again blocked me from the conversion. You couldn't have me making converts out of your followers.

Look I've made a lot of mistakes in the past but I can admit them.

I was a Democratic voter.
I voted for Obamma.
I learned the error of my ways.

Not you. You continued your love for Hillary and Biden.
Have you learned now that they are Globalists and pawns to powerful forces?

Better late than never Mark

Are you still pro-vaccine?
I'm truly 100% sorry if you've gotten it.
If you haven't learned by now you need to, for the sake of your loved ones and family.

Those liberal forces wanting to destroy our constitution are aligning with the W.H.O.
As we speak.
So they can mandate the jab and force every single man woman and child to receive the cocktail that at best sterlizes and causes health problems for a stunted and shortened life. And at worst kills you outright or within months.

You keep telling me everything is going to be okay but we haven't even gotten to world war three yet.

I'm a white guy Mark and just like I can't tell you how it feels to be you, you can't tell me how it feels to be me.
I'm highly empathic.
From my position black people are looking at white people with contempt.
Hell, the brain washing has worked so well there are plenty of blue haired white people looking at whites with contempt.
My Mexican wife sees it. We live in a very white area. But there are black folks here.
They will start into trash talking white people just moments after they meet her.
Is she imagining that?


This is what the Democratic party has been pushing and this is what we've gotten.

A regression in race relations.
A blame on the white race for the mistakes of their ancestors.

In the aim of destroying the United States no greater blow could be struck then attacking, traumatizing and demoralizing white people until they are no longer the pillar that they are in helping to support this great republic.

I'm not kidding when I say if the white race is
made ineffectual and conditioned to apologizing for all missdeads to the point of submissiveness the United States stands little chance against those who would conquer and over throw her.

You want to do some good Mark.
Realize the mistakes of your Democratic party and educate those thousands of Facebook followers to what's real.

Nothing but love Mark I know you're a smart guy so please stop the rhetoric.
We all have to stick together in the face of what is coming.

[Mark]

You say it’s not about me, but then you continue to talk about me.

I’m not interested in defending myself to you. I have nothing to defend. Nor will I take the time to address your personal accusations. They’re from your perspective and therefore valid to you, even if they are ad hominem and inaccurate in detail and conclusions about what I’ve supported, whom and why. We interpret things from our own perspectives, however they might be biased.

But one thing I will address:

Your personal experience as a young person were very traumatic to you. I can see that. I’m sorry those experiences occurred to your family. One thing I can say, when in my life I’ve engaged white people who’ve had traumatic experience with black people - and I’ve met a good number of such who open up to me about their racial feelings, somehow, I feel “safe” to them - is that they often widen their range of grievance to all black people. I’m sure it’s the same for black folks and other folks regardless of color or ethnicity.

I can feel your hurt and pain in your words. I don’t remember all you say happened in the detail you say it happened. But I accept that you felt some kind of way about it. I hope someday you will feel as if whatever you feel happened is settled and are able to move beyond it.

[Mark]

In reading back over your post DNA, there are some good points that you make that I do want to address.

Posted by DNA (here)
I keep hearing about white supremacists like this is a current problem.
I don't think it is.
I think white supremacists exist in isolation pecking away at their keyboards or trying to be the cool guy buying alcohol for teenagers 20 years their junior.

I agree they exist on the periphery. And only ‘come out to play’ when their chains are jerked by whatever race-related issue is raised in the MSM that presents some kind of threat to their perceived whiteness. While I do understand that there are people who would rather not live around people of color and want to remain seperate, that is not what I mean when I say white supremacist, or even racist. There are people of every ethnic grouping who prefer to be around people who look like them and share their culture. This is tribalism.

Posted by DNA (here)
Now, I have to tell you. I feel my family was singled out because we were white.
Is that racism?

I don’t think we share an understanding or definition of what racism is. I would definitely say that your family was singled out, but those were predators and I’m certain they preyed on black folks in that neighborhood too over time.

Posted by DNA (here)
By the year 2000 to 2010 I would say things were much better.

The years after 911 saw us externalize the threat again. We were collectively “against” Muslims. When that happens in the USA, we are bound by our national ties. It is something that is common in times of war for us as a nation.

Posted by DNA (here)
And then came Black Lives Matter and Democrats went full jump the shark mode trying to convince black people that they needed to be saved. They needed to be saved from the dreaded scurge of white supremacists.

These same democrats can't seem to figure out how the biggest danger to a black man, is a black man.

I assume you are talking about black on black crime. The enemy there is poverty. Poor people living together. No matter the color. People predate on each other, it’s the way things are. When ghettos get jobs that situation does and will change.

Here I will agree that the foundational globalist controllers of the Democratic Party use black people as a reliable base. Because the alternative is not tenable to most blacks. Especially those who’ve had experience around a lot of Republicans. Blacks who do so often have to give up large aspects of their culture or otherwise assimilate in order to fit in. There are often monetary considerations involved as well.

Posted by DNA (here)
But no, let's continue with the threat to anyone of color is a white supremacist..

And you know what? They bought that ****.

It’s far from that simplistic. Don’t infantilize a whole race of people. It doesn’t work.

Posted by DNA (here)
The violence I saw from the 70s and 80s is returning.

Is it directed at Black people?
No it is not.

The statistics don’t support your claims here.

Posted by DNA (here)
I dare you to name a city in the United States that a black person would feel they were not safe in. Because in my opinion it does not exist.

How about the countryside? Small towns? Exurbs?

Posted by DNA (here)
Same is far from the truth for white people.
There are parts of every major city it would be dammed dangerous for a white person to wonder into.

Also not true according to the statistics. Whites are reclaiming the cities. Especially Millenials and Gen-Z as they age.

Posted by DNA (here)
It didn't have to be like this.

It’s not like you’re describing. I challenge your basic assumptions about what is actually happening in this nation right now. What you’re writing reads more like a narrative based on the Turner Diaries or Atlas Shrugged.

Posted by DNA (here)
Black Lives matter was supposed to be about police brutality which was a fair criticism. But this got conflated into white VS black.

I agree with this without qualification. Accepting money from that Chinese think tank was a terrible idea and certain to raise suspicions. I see our issues in-nation as more of a family affair. I’d love to explain that further but this is perhaps not the space.

Posted by DNA (here)
There are no white supremacists of note and if you tried really hard to get a rally going, you wouldn't have enough for a game of four on four with a half court.

Agree. The problem arises when fear is in play. Like, the fear of white genocide. Then, the supremacists come out and they gather the fearful unto themselves. Then we have problems. The folks who listen to them and maybe find they agree on some points tacitly support them. That is literally the entire history of the United States from before it’s inception as a nation in the late 1600s until the 1960s.

Posted by DNA (here)
Remember 2014 when the media was slamming us day in and day out with the Trevon Martin case?
And then it was Furgassan MO?
And the it was George Floyd?

Didn't that seem suspicious that they were pushing a narrative?
I mean during the same time period there were hundreds of not thousands of other stories out there.
They knew what they were doing.
Creating a narrative.

That is what the media does. Fear-porn. A lesson learned well from Tavistok and 100 years of mass media programming, starting with The Birth of a Nation. Remember that one?

Posted by DNA (here)
It was the same thing you were doing when you blocked me from your Facebook page for pointing this out.

Actually, no. You were about to get eaten up and I was stopping a war on my timeline before it began. I have real Black Lives Matter activists as well as Black Nationalists, Left-wing radicals and all of those kinds of people you think I am on that FB page. I knew you could handle it and we have this space. My FB strategy is spiritual in nature and designed to awaken people who are sleeping and who think they are “woke”. The direct confrontation that you represented was inimical to my aims. I delete far-left liberals too when they start haranguing people. So it was not just because you were a Trumper. I still have many Trump folks on my timeline there. Many I’ve known for decades. You just were insistent on fighting about it.

Posted by DNA (here)
You again were heavily invested in the Democratic party it was very pro Biden.
I was the only Trump supporter posting.

I’m still friends with Lord Sidious. He is consistent and real. I was invested in anti-Trump. Not a fan of Biden.

Posted by DNA (here)
You defended socialism after my accusation that this was where we are heading under BLM and democrats.
After I outlined Trumps foreign policy of no war you again blocked me from the conversion. You couldn't have me making converts out of your followers.

You have a very interesting way of thinking and interpreting events. You making converts out of my friends was never a concern of mine. You creating conflict was. My timeline is not a Democracy. Not then, not now, not ever. I allow peaceful, respectful and considerate discussion and those kinds of conversations happen all the time. That is not what you were offering.

Posted by DNA (here)
Not you. You continued your love for Hillary and Biden.
Have you learned now that they are Globalists and pawns to powerful forces?

I knew what they were then. What the American people were offered as choices for leadership. The devil and the deep blue sea. All of our choices suck, every, single time. But, you know, I am a local politician also, elected to office by my neighbors, friends and even some enemies. So I understand the nature of politics and also the nature of people and what they want. Which is as little interference by government and its forces as possible unless it benefits them directly.

Which is exactly where the conflict and conundrum lies for us all and for Democracy as a whole. This has always been its promise and it’s curse, creating in and out groups. And now that the calculus’s has shifted for the first time EVER in this nations history, it is no surprise that a pessimistic view of the present and future has arisen to combat the narrative shift. Too many people have a zero-sum perspective, in that they believe that if other people gain, it must mean they lose.

That’s not the way it really is nor is it the way we are going, once we get past this battle royale with what’s left of the Cabals.

Posted by DNA (here)
Are you still pro-vaccine?

I’ve never been pro-vaccine.

Posted by DNA (here)
I'm truly 100% sorry if you've gotten it.
If you haven't learned by now you need to, for the sake of your loved ones and family.

Thank you. My family is not vaccinated. Well, one of my daughters works in mental health and she had to get vaccinated to keep her job. Everyone else, no.

Posted by DNA (here)
Those liberal forces wanting to destroy our constitution are aligning with the W.H.O.
As we speak.
So they can mandate the jab and force every single man woman and child to receive the cocktail that at best sterlizes and causes health problems for a stunted and shortened life. And at worst kills you outright or within months.

Yeah I don’t support any of that. I’m not sure exactly what is in that vaccine but I’ve read all the conspiracy theories and I know a percentage of people have heart issues associated with it.

Posted by DNA (here)
You keep telling me everything is going to be okay but we haven't even gotten to world war three yet.

I'm a white guy Mark and just like I can't tell you how it feels to be you, you can't tell me how it feels to be me.

Of course not. But. Everything is going to be ok, DNA.

This, from a spiritual viewpoint. If you are not spiritual, it’s all good then, believe what you want. We can have a difference of opinion about it. In my view everything is perfect and all is as it is meant to be. Which means that, no matter how it may look, it is all what we are collectively and individually choosing in each moment. This, in relation to what the universe and galaxy are doing as well as the solar system. Intricate, interlocking pieces, forms of consciousness within which our wishes and desires are but minuscule parts of the overall decision-making power of collective-consciousness. Perhaps that is too communistic in nature for you to countenance. But, it is where I am always coming from.

Posted by DNA (here)
From my position black people are looking at white people with contempt.
Hell, the brain washing has worked so well there are plenty of blue haired white people looking at whites with contempt.
My Mexican wife sees it. We live in a very white area. But there are black folks here.
They will start into trash talking white people just moments after they meet her.

All of them, eh? She meets some weird black people. Your perspective is not ours, as you said about yourself above, so maybe give black folks the benefit of the doubt sometimes dude. Perhaps they’re not trashing or contemptuous of white people the way you think. Perhaps they KNOW the history, which in all of your writings, you never bring up. Perhaps they know there is a track record. Perhaps they are a bit doubtful because they are waiting to see if white people as a whole have really changed, because it is white people as a whole that have been engaging in this long lasting experiment in Identity Politics that we call America.

Posted by DNA (here)
Is she imagining that?

Don’t know your wife man. Don’t know if she is white-presenting, what she writes down when the official forms ask her what race she is, how she identifies, any of that. I know the situation with Hispanic folks down here in Texas and I know that many do consider themselves white and the Republican Party here in Texas is riding that for all it’s worth with Tejanos, who, in South Texas, are the white people when compared to the newly arrived who come illegally over the border. It’s complicated.

And, again, I don’t know your wife’s politics or how she identifies.

Posted by DNA (here)
A regression in race relations.
A blame on the white race for the mistakes of their ancestors.

To me, this statement is the most important thing that you’ve said in this entire thread. You characterized the past as the ‘mistakes of their ancestors’. This shows me your perspective and also your heart.

So there are globalized interests who have weaponized both parties, remember Trance Formation and who Cathy was sexing for all those years. They have no side. They work for the same powers. ALL OF THEM.

So why are we divided in this community? Why do we follow those political lines when they don’t?

Because we are programmed. For me, participating in politics as I have aged is not buying into the system, it is preparing to change the system with others. When WWIII arrives, when the micronova hits, when the super wave arrives, the world will change.

But until then we are responsible for each other. People are caught up in their sides and to interact with them it is necessary to understand both sides.

Posted by DNA (here)
In the aim of destroying the United States no greater blow could be struck then attacking, traumatizing and demoralizing white people until they are no longer the pillar that they are in helping to support this great republic.

And you accuse me of using rhetoric? Reread what you just said. As if white people alone created this nation.

Posted by DNA (here)
I'm not kidding when I say if the white race is
made ineffectual and conditioned to apologizing for all missdeads to the point of submissiveness the United States stands little chance against those who would conquer and over throw her.

Ok. White people alone. Because it’s a white nation at heart, right?

Posted by DNA (here)
Nothing but love Mark I know you're a smart guy so please stop the rhetoric.
We all have to stick together in the face of what is coming.

I will take you at your word.

[Wind]

People ought to remember that we all bleed red. We all share the common humanity despite all the outward appeareances and the outward appearances are what they are, just different manifestations of Spirit or the One Infinite Consciousness. Here in the one of the most nothern parts of the world chances are that you will be born as a blonde blue eyed person, that happened with in my case too and we are truly the whitest people on the Earth. It's just genetics. In my last life before this in life on the Asian continent my skin was much more brown. I don't have to identify with what I have although I can, I just happen to have this body now. I can accept it and try to be comfortamble in it, although the body can have it's own karmic conditions too as I've had. I see that there's nothing wrong with being proud of your ancestry and roots, it can be quite important to be connected to your ancestry and at least genetically you are connected to the people who came before you. In some ways we are people of the past too also.

Unfortunately racism is still very much alive here too which is a disgrace. Yet it's not so common, especially with younger people and in general Scandinavian countries tend to be very liberal minded. Especially on a predominantly white society it's hard to be feel being part of the minority in terms of skin color, you can just feel disparaged in different ways. The human mind is always seeking to separate and judge as it operates that way. The individual consciousness as person tends to feel separate, at least in the mind. The consciousness of the human heart doesn't feel that way.

As I haven't lived in USA I can't speak from experience, but from what I've heard and read it seems to me that there is much of tension in different parts of the country. Institutional police brutality seems to be a real thing and there seems to be no denial about the fact that black people have to not only face discrimination, but also fear for their safety when confronted by some police officers. How can that be? Shouldn't the police be the ones who are upholding the peace? At least that's how it is here and almost never anyone gets shot, so there is something very deeply wrong with the culture and in general in the American mentality and handling of firearms too and with their training. Should certain categories of people to be considered to be dangerous? What about hate crimes committed against many minorities, including Asians in the recent years?

Every country or Empire with such a troubled history and past such as USA has, means that there is going be big tensions and karmic issues and I feel that many of those issues from the past have not been resolved. In fact in many ways at times I feel it's like a powder keg waiting to explode and unfortunately I don't think I'm very wrong at that conclusion.

Karma, including karma of nations isn't about punishment, it's about learning collective lessons and clearing them so there can be more empathy and compassion. That's what soul healing and spiritual evolution is about.

I believe Dr. King was correct when he said that people shouldn't be judged by the color of the skin, but by the content of their character. I also believe that he was the last true (spiritually inclined) leader America ever had. He was taken out because the people in power feared that he could actually unite all people, both black and white. He truly embodied Christ-ian values, values about love and compassion. That's what they actually fear, unity. Unity between all people. Imagine truly united people in the united states, now wouldn't that be a sight. How could such people be controlled and enslaved?

Don't buy into the fear-porn concocted by the powers that be and their demonic media lapdogs who want you to buy into the feeling of being threatened by "others" (groups). They fear our possibility of unification as one people. That's because the truth is that we people aren't that different after all, after all we are all just souls in human form. Prejudice and bigotry like hatred also are things which can be learned and also they can be unlearned.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=njXZUH5hv0w

[DNA]

I appreciate your time spent with such well written and well intended posts Mark.

You seem to have taken my statement about the United States failing should white people be successfully neutralized as detracting in so far as the contributions of any other race. That was not what I meant nor what I said.

I said that the United States needs its white citizens and as such all the people of color need white people right now if the United States is to persist in the face of what looms in opposition.
I do not apologize for that statement it is absolutely true.

I suppose it's easy to lose one's main point when a post gets too long.

The United States is under attack right now.
The enemies of the United States are fomenting racial hatred in people of color so they will be okay with attacking and hating white people.
This is happening right now all across the country.
This is what Scott Adams referred to when citing a pole done stating 47% of black people say it is not okay to be white.

There is video after video showing black children beating white children and what's even more horrific is that the whites are getting beaten to the point of unconscious and they don't even fight back. They have been programmed by anti-white rhetoric to the point they don't even fight back. They don't even defend them selves.
Being a white heterosexual male is so unpopular many young men have started sucking d!ck as their only line of defense.

There are seemingly unlimited videos of black on white crime. The knock out game where blacks are targeting white people. Videos of extreme violence.

You can't just say you don't notice this.
The same thing is going on in Europe.
Black refugees coming into their adopting country only to attack those white people and the laws in place stating it is against the law via the accusation of racism to publicly expose what is going on whether online or other.

The people most capable of thwarting the plans of the globalist are organized American Christians. And this is by and large another attack on white people. This is through the gay, lesbianism and trans community. Stating Christians are intolerant biggots.
It's also an attack on heterosexual and mostly heterosexual males.

So this is an attack primarily on white Christian heterosexual males.

And yes by and large if you defeat the minds, bodys and hearts of America's heterosexual white Christian males then yes America will be by and large very easy to defeat.


Once again I'm pointing this out to say we need each other.

And as a white, heterosexual Christian man I'm here to tell you this attack is very real.

[Delight]

Posted by DNA (here)

Once again I'm pointing this out to say we need each other.

And as a white, heterosexual Christian man I'm here to tell you this attack is very real.

I am a caucasion woman and actually I see this war is against both sexes, animals, plants and the very basis of "god given" rights as LIVING beings. I AGREE TOTALLY that we as Americans, that we as global citizens everywhere are under attack. IMO the great reset is the ultimate attack on Creator's children. There is something so wicked in our midst that people cannot imagine. The world as a place of "normal" good is deliberately undermined on all fronts.

The way it feels is that we are in a maze where the path out is blocked and we run here and there to blind alleys growing more and more desperate and turning on one another in our panic. The RELEASE of the block to get out of the maze is in some way very present for those who have turned to God, KNOWING we cannot get OUT of the maze on our own.

I love the spirit of revival that is ocurring and I absolutely KNOW those who love God are able to be HUMAN BEINGS in the real sense of spirit filled, loving and GUIDED persons. I am counting on Divine intervention to turn hearts.

I am heart sick that people are suffering. I hate to say it but I feel my whole life has been gaslit to TRUST the systems of the world and DOUBT God's ability to act in the world. Every time I hear testimony of miracles and NDE return, My heart lifts.

I used to believe in the world's systems, thinking if we just tweaked solutions for the problems, we could make things right. BUT what I have experienced is that wrongness has escalated exponentially in my life time. I have no idea if this has "good" reason such as helping people turn their attention to what is important? However, it FEELS as if we are drowning in a sea of evil and I wonder how it can continue without terminating the human race?

If we don't GROK our predicament of failure and repent of our mistaken alligence to the systems of the world, we will be subject to the destruction of them PLANNED IMO.

Back to racism. Personally, I can own my great fortune to be born in 1955 to live in a place where I as a caucasion girl, in Tuscaloosa Alabama, was not subjected to the apartheid that WAS PRESENT until the civil rights movement occurred. I was brought up solidly middle class which is like being a princess compared to many many places then and now.

It has been much easier to a woman in America and I have enjoyed so much in my life. I never had to worry about education, work, choices of lifestyle that women in many places face daily.However, I see it is a "man's" world still EVERYWHERE. Sexism is the silent fact underlying the reality I observe. It is SO CRAZY these days that even trans (wo)men are favored over natural females. Sexism and racism is IMO a symptom of our condition and not the cause.

Until the system changed, My parents were not "racists" BUT they definitely were "silent" on the subject of How In the World, people could be treated in America to the two tiered system? They did not want the flack of standing out I suppose? Whatever... Times changed.

I was in second grade nearby on a playground when George Wallace grandstanded on the steps of the University of Alabama. I saw burning crosses. My parents were silently happy that times were changing.

In the southern apartheid, People of "color" in Atlanta had a thriving "separate" reality of middle class professions and thriving businesses. Strangely, it looked to me when we lived in Atlanta after the civil rights era that these communities were actually disturbed in an unfortunate way. What I mean is, turmoil and disruption actually seemed to degrade the experience of many people as the system was changed.

There is a saying: God had a plan and the Devil stepped in and said" Let me help you organize it".

For some reason, we have all believed that the structures around us are made for our benefit and we do our part willingly. People often don't question WHY we should until they are betrayed. So, people cling for dear life to their piece of the "pie" baked by the middle "man". The betrayed may sometimes have a huge wake up for their good. Is this the plan of Creator? I don't know but hope.

The ideas of how to live followed and taught from generation to generation are accepted as being true until the system itself changes US. Think about the history we know and how we have been told each big change was "progress". I say NOT at all

What I see now is EVERY human run system is coopted by a tremendous anti LIFE force. It quacks like Satan is portrayed: the great organizer chortling as we believe "his" LIES. Civilization is acted out by us and NEVER seeing the end of the ILLS> WHY?

I have the strong feeling that the SYSTEMIZING itself is what is at fault. What could life be based upon if not a system? Nature is not REALLY a system but a giant community of spontaneous nature being. WE are aberrant. We have a perverse ability to self destruct thinking we are doing well. Very unfortunate.

There are plans now to TOTALLY reset the systems now. I see plans hurtling along:
Reduce the population through posioning and starvation (and genocide between races triggered when the Us versus them is seen to be life or death).
End the ability to reproduce naturally and have a "family" with close multigenerational bonds.
Create the new "slave" from those who can survive.
Place the survivors in controlled "15 minute" centers where only the compliant able to survive will be completely controlled.
END Christianity as this system despite its errors is able to open people up to God and the values of Love, Compassion and Forgiveness.

I am not a traditional Christian but I love God and I follow Christ. I am not worried about the afterlife. I do WONDER about the life now possible. All I can do is TRUST there is more to this experience I do not understand. Miracles are like white crows... if there is even one, they are REAL.

[T Smith]

"...We all have one enemy and its not each other…. call it the One Below, the Evil one, the Trickster, the Snake. If we would harness all the hate we have used on each other and direct it at that Evil, we could exorcise it from our planet in a blink of an eye. That Evil—which we drink and drug ourselves to death to deny—enslaves and murders the children of the world every day by the thousands in vampiric, Satanic acts. The possessed actually extract and drink their blood and talk about it right in front of our faces, but we refuse to hear because we think it’s only a fantasy (but it’s not)—if we would only hate that Evil with all the hate we direct at each it would go away and we could stop it. And that’s what we’re here to do. To stop it. We have the power to stop everything horrible that is happening on this planet…."

Roseann Barr

[Mark]

Posted by Wind (here)
People ought to remember that we all bleed red. We all share the common humanity despite all the outward appeareances and the outward appearances are what they are, just different manifestations of Spirit or the One Infinite Consciousness.

Throughout human history we have known this and yet in many cultures the shedding of blood and violence are endemic and long-standing norms. It has been in American culture for a very long time, since the inception of the nation itself in revolution and warfare.

Posted by Wind (here)
Here in the one of the most northern parts of the world chances are that you will be born as a blonde blue eyed person, that happened with in my case too and we are truly the whitest people on the Earth. It's just genetics.

And there is still melanin inside of your body and just a bit in your skin, if you have freckles. There are hardly any humans without any melanin whatsoever.

Posted by Wind (here)
Unfortunately racism is still very much alive here too which is a disgrace. Yet it's not so common, especially with younger people and in general Scandinavian countries tend to be very liberal minded. Especially on a predominantly white society it's hard to be feel being part of the minority in terms of skin color, you can just feel disparaged in different ways. The human mind is always seeking to separate and judge as it operates that way. The individual consciousness as person tends to feel separate, at least in the mind. The consciousness of the human heart doesn't feel that way.

Absolutely.

It is SOOOO much different even here in the USA, from the times when I was a kid and teen, back in the 70s and 80s. So much better. I teach High School, 9th graders, but I know many black and brown kiddos today who have NEVER been called the N-word, never experienced direct discrimination and it makes my heart swell to know we've come so far.

What you speak of is where we are headed as a planet and it is much closer now than ever before, which is why we have to be so diligent this last little part of the Piscean way, as we enter fully into Aquarius, which I actually think we are in now.

Posted by Wind (here)
Institutional police brutality seems to be a real thing and there seems to be no denial about the fact that black people have to not only face discrimination, but also fear for their safety when confronted by some police officers. How can that be? Shouldn't the police be the ones who are upholding the peace? At least that's how it is here and almost never anyone gets shot, so there is something very deeply wrong with the culture and in general in the American mentality and handling of firearms too and with their training. Should certain categories of people to be considered to be dangerous? What about hate crimes committed against many minorities, including Asians in the recent years?

George Floyd ended the doubt that people of color were exaggerating when we said historically that the police were being brutal when they engaged us. The nation and the world came together then to try to create change. We were of a shared mind, for a moment. And then the pandemic deepened and we backed off of the reforms as the horror of that direct witnessing wore off and politics as usual returned.

Hate crimes are problematic. They occur against Asians in black neighborhoods because they are seen as alien populations brought in with government aid to take resources out of the community without returning anything other than the goods they provide, which are often of a low quality. That is not an excuse. Just an observation. The rise in Asian hate crimes is also commiserate with the pandemic-born idea that China is the source of the Covid-19 virus.

Posted by Wind (here)
In fact in many ways at times I feel it's like a powder keg waiting to explode and unfortunately I don't think I'm very wrong at that conclusion.

I am actually not so sure that it will. At least it doesn't have to. We are definitely one country when it comes to some things, no matter the color of the skin

Posted by Wind (here)
Karma, including karma of nations isn't about punishment, it's about learning collective lessons and clearing them so there can be more empathy and compassion. That's what soul healing and spiritual evolution is about.

I think many people whose ancestors and families have prospered, or have been favored, by the engrained systemic preference that has been instituted by their nations, are upset that they are living in these karmic times. That they have to be the ones to deal with the shift in narrative and material well-being.

I don't think that they necessarily feel like that is fair and that is fair. To resent the times we live in and the situations that we are born into is a hard one, and it makes you want to not believe in such things as karma or fate or destiny. Why does this have to be happening to me and my children? Why can't we go back to when times were better?

Better for whom?

Posted by Wind (here)
I believe Dr. King was correct when he said that people shouldn't be judged by the color of the skin, but by the content of their character. I also believe that he was the last true (spiritually inclined) leader America ever had. He was taken out because the people in power feared that he could actually unite all people, both black and white. He truly embodied Christ-ian values, values about love and compassion. That's what they actually fear, unity. Unity between all people. Imagine truly united people in the united states, now wouldn't that be a sight. How could such people be controlled and enslaved?

100% true. Yes!

Posted by Wind (here)
Don't buy into the fear-porn concocted by the powers that be and their demonic media lapdogs who want you to buy into the feeling of being threatened by "others" (groups). They fear our possibility of unification as one people. That's because the truth is that we people aren't that different after all, after all we are all just souls in human form. Prejudice and bigotry like hatred also are things which can be learned and also they can be unlearned.

I don't, I work actively against such, in my own way, which isn't always supported or seen by other people. I do not apologize for that, but I do understand if I'm not popular or liked because of it. I have a mission in this life and I am fulfilling it to the best of my ability, as I am sure we all are, day in and day out.

Posted by DNA (here)
I appreciate your time spent with such well written and well intended posts Mark.

I don't always handle things in the best way or communicate what I'm thinking with people. That is a failing of mine that extends beyond here and into my life. Thanks for giving me the space, impetus and opportunity to do so.

Posted by DNA (here)
I said that the United States needs its white citizens and as such all the people of color need white people right now if the United States is to persist in the face of what looms in opposition.

I do not apologize for that statement it is absolutely true.

It absolutely is. We all have to step up to the plate together to do what needs to be done now, in the face of what is coming beyond us all, at the galactic and universal levels, whatever we may believe those things to be. Not just the world is changing, but the solar system is as well as our sector of the galaxy. What seem like petty problems at that larger scale are not, I believe, but integral to the times and the energetic milieu within which we speak and act individually and collectively.

Posted by DNA (here)
The United States is under attack right now.
The enemies of the United States are fomenting racial hatred in people of color so they will be okay with attacking and hating white people.
This is happening right now all across the country.
This is what Scott Adams referred to when citing a pole done stating 47% of black people say it is not okay to be white.

Ok. Let me ask this, then. Do you believe that the "enemies of the United States" are non-white people? Do you think China is behind this? That would be the only non-white nation with power enough to consider such a path. Isn't China where the White Hats came out of? Isn't there a Nesara thread with the gold down in the Marianas trench and such things within which China is positioned as a global savior of some sort by some?

The political side of this is so confusing. But I stay aware of power plays and the state of global politics.

As the polling side of things is confusing as well. Numerous graduate level classes in statistics have convinced me that Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain) was correct in his assessment that "There are lies, damn lies and statistics!"

Posted by DNA (here)
There is video after video showing black children beating white children and what's even more horrific is that the whites are getting beaten to the point of unconscious and they don't even fight back. They have been programmed by anti-white rhetoric to the point they don't even fight back. They don't even defend them selves.

Give me links. Let me see this evidence. You've mentioned this a few times now as some trend. It is not one that I see in the schools that I teach at nor one that I hear about in my national educator groups either. If this is 5, 10 videos or even more, that is still a drop in the bucket as far as population is concerned and these few videos may be being highlighted in order to get people to believe it is more widespread than it is.

I teach in a school that is primarily Hispanic, then white, with a small percentage of black students, less than 5%. I've seen and heard nothing to this effect here from my white students.

Posted by DNA (here)
Being a white heterosexual male is so unpopular many young men have started sucking d!ck as their only line of defense.

There are seemingly unlimited videos of black on white crime. The knock out game where blacks are targeting white people. Videos of extreme violence.

You can't just say you don't notice this.

I've noticed a dramatic uptick in violence, period.

Black on black, black on white, white on white, people on people.

I believe it has to do with the solar and cosmic energy increase in our troposphere, what we call the Schumann Resonance. That energetic increase is making us ALL frenetic, ALL of us are feeling cagey, on edge, about to burst at any provocation. And that is what is happening. I see it on the highways as I drive a lot, people drive a lot more dangerously and crazy than they did a year ago, two years ago.

The majority of drivers follow the rules of the road, but there has been a noticeable increase in the percentage of those who don't anymore, they don't seem to give a damn and will do anything on the road.

Could there also be an element of race in this violence for some people? Of course. But unless you've got an overwhelming number of videos depicting specifically racialized violence, my thoughts on this are pretty well-formed by the evidence that I've accrued in my studies of space weather, LaViolette's super-wave and SuspiciousObserver's macronova cycle.

Posted by DNA (here)
The people most capable of thwarting the plans of the globalist are organized American Christians. And this is by and large another attack on white people. This is through the gay, lesbianism and trans community. Stating Christians are intolerant biggots.

It's also an attack on heterosexual and mostly heterosexual males.

So this is an attack primarily on white Christian heterosexual males.

And yes by and large if you defeat the minds, bodys and hearts of America's heterosexual white Christian males then yes America will be by and large very easy to defeat.

Once again I'm pointing this out to say we need each other.

And as a white, heterosexual Christian man I'm here to tell you this attack is very real.

I was raised in the church. My parents were black Baptists from the south, which is very different from being Southern Baptist. I went to church every Sunday. Not just 11:00 service, but Sunday School as well. I was in the choirs of whatever churches we went to. Went to vacation bible school in the summers. Bible camps. We went to the black Baptist Church in the town I was born in when my father was between duty stations, or we were close enough to a black community off-base in the cities we lived in and around.

But otherwise, we went to church on the Air Force bases that my father was stationed at. Everywhere across the world that he took us.

And it was in these military churches, back in the 80s, that I was taught about the Rapture and the Tribulation, the Anti-Christ, Christ's Return, the 1000 year Reign when the devil would be locked into the Pit, then released again, then the Final Judgement.

So I am, personally and foundationally, Christian.

And yet, I am integrally a Mystic, because of my own, personal revelations of spirit. This broadens my understanding to encompass all religious traditions. My experience as a Christian Mystic helps me to understand that Buddhists have some things right, as do Hindus, as do Muslims, as do those who practice indigenous religions. The underlying spiritual basis of the world is the same. How we approach it and integrate it within our lives is where the cultural and societal environmental and linguistic differences come into play.

I share this background to tell you that I get it and know where you're coming from and see the attack that you are speaking of as one on the systemic orthodoxy of the United States as it has been formulated over centuries now.

Posted by Delight (here)
I am a Caucasian woman and actually I see this war is against both sexes, animals, plants and the very basis of "god given" rights as LIVING beings.

Hey Delight! I am feeling this formulation.

Posted by Delight (here)
I AGREE TOTALLY that we as Americans, that we as global citizens everywhere are under attack. IMO the great reset is the ultimate attack on Creator's children. There is something so wicked in our midst that people cannot imagine. The world as a place of "normal" good is deliberately undermined on all fronts.

We in this community have many names and understanding of this wickedness in high places, these Powers and Principalities. From Archons to Reptilians, the Foreign Installation to Grey Orion drones, from Psychopaths to Sociopaths. What underlies them all, though, is that which appeals to a certain incarnate, human mindset and that sets those so affected apart from the vast majority of us who only want to live and let live, enjoy our lives and this beautiful, wonderous world we have been so blessed to shephard since our "Makers" left us to our own devices.

Posted by Delight (here)
The way it feels is that we are in a maze where the path out is blocked and we run here and there to blind alleys growing more and more desperate and turning on one another in our panic. The RELEASE of the block to get out of the maze is in some way very present for those who have turned to God, KNOWING we cannot get OUT of the maze on our own.

Very true. None of us are ever alone. That thought process in and of itself also contributes to our susceptibility to being drawn into the lifestyles of the soulless and materially substantial.

Posted by Delight (here)
I love the spirit of revival that is ocurring and I absolutely KNOW those who love God are able to be HUMAN BEINGS in the real sense of spirit filled, loving and GUIDED persons. I am counting on Divine intervention to turn hearts.

Something which is still too far 'out there' for many to countenance openly or even, often, in the privacy of their own thinking process. I mean, what does it mean for something totally outside of the experience of any living human to be possible? What even does it mean? What could it be? How could it happen? What is it going to feel like? For people on both sides, those who are ready and those who are not? What is going to happen? The questions are never-ending.

Posted by Delight (here)
I am heart sick that people are suffering. I hate to say it but I feel my whole life has been gaslit to TRUST the systems of the world and DOUBT God's ability to act in the world. Every time I hear testimony of miracles and NDE return, My heart lifts.

This is so and the nature and purpose of the world systems and instutitions, as well as many nations' material culture, which concentrates on the political and economic machinations of production and industry.

BUT.

GOD, in this case, as the Creative Function of the Multiverse and not Yldberoth the blind, crazy god, not Lucifer, Anu, Marduk, Enlil, Zeus, Odin, Oldumare, Quetzlcoatl or any of the other pretenders to the throne, is Supreme and we cannot envison or conceive of what is so far beyond our ken as to be Mystery itself.

Posted by Delight (here)
I used to believe in the world's systems, thinking if we just tweaked solutions for the problems, we could make things right. BUT what I have experienced is that wrongness has escalated exponentially in my life time. I have no idea if this has "good" reason such as helping people turn their attention to what is important? However, it FEELS as if we are drowning in a sea of evil and I wonder how it can continue without terminating the human race?

After each Age, some people are left. Or so the global traditions state. There will be after this one, also. The planet herself will be fine. The biologicals who cover its surface and inhabit some portion of its interior are the ones at risk and even that is not total.

We can't continue the way that we are going now. All of our envisionings of what that future can look like fall under the auspices of science fiction and speculative fiction and those visions are so depressing, so mired in the dysfunctional thinking and beingness that so many of us embody currently that to think that the world will continue on in this vein and become those visions just leads one to despair.

We have to be able to do better because we can envision better. That the Cabals control what comes out in the media and how the scripts are formulated, what the potentialities may be for us as individuals and larger groups, is so scripted and limited in most cases that we cannot conceive of anything better for ourselves.

Posted by Delight (here)
It has been much easier to a woman in America and I have enjoyed so much in my life. I never had to worry about education, work, choices of lifestyle that women in many places face daily. However, I see it is a "man's" world still EVERYWHERE. Sexism is the silent fact underlying the reality I observe. It is SO CRAZY these days that even trans (wo)men are favored over natural females. Sexism and racism is IMO a symptom of our condition and not the cause.

True enough. The cause is deeper.

Posted by Delight (here)
Until the system changed, My parents were not "racists" BUT they definitely were "silent" on the subject of How In the World, people could be treated in America to the two tiered system? They did not want the flack of standing out I suppose? Whatever... Times changed.

This is the point that I made to DNA earlier. People are silent because they want to STAY SAFE. That is understandable. The psychopaths, the ones who can commit the violence without conscience, use fear as a tool to keep the system that favors them and their ways of being in place. It is a function of the system itself.

Posted by Delight (here)
In the southern apartheid, People of "color" in Atlanta had a thriving "separate" reality of middle class professions and thriving businesses. Strangely, it looked to me when we lived in Atlanta after the civil rights era that these communities were actually disturbed in an unfortunate way. What I mean is, turmoil and disruption actually seemed to degrade the experience of many people as the system was changed.

I actually know a lot about this. But that is a big post in and of itself. If you want to talk about it further, I would be happy to, just let me know. Many people don't care to know the 'why' of it, or even the 'how'. But both of those are important in considering exactly how and why we got to and are in the position we are in right now.

Posted by Delight (here)
There is a saying: God had a plan and the Devil stepped in and said" Let me help you organize it".

I've never heard that one before but I like it! Apt!

Posted by Delight (here)
For some reason, we have all believed that the structures around us are made for our benefit and we do our part willingly. People often don't question WHY we should until they are betrayed. So, people cling for dear life to their piece of the "pie" baked by the middle "man". The betrayed may sometimes have a huge wake up for their good. Is this the plan of Creator? I don't know but hope.

Here's a quote for you: "If the truth makes you uncomfortable, don't blame the truth, blame the lie that made you comfortable."

The lie that made so many people comfortable for so long is coming unraveled and some people still don't want to see that it was a lie, nor do they want to blame those who told them the lie or, rather, passed it down as it was told to them.

Posted by Delight (here)
I have the strong feeling that the SYSTEMIZING itself is what is at fault. What could life be based upon if not a system? Nature is not REALLY a system but a giant community of spontaneous nature being. WE are aberrant. We have a perverse ability to self destruct thinking we are doing well. Very unfortunate.

Castenda says, in that regard:

“We have a predator that came from the depths of the cosmos and took over the rule of our lives. Human beings are its prisoners. The Predator is our lord and master. It has rendered us docile, helpless. If we want to protest, it suppresses our protest. If we want to act independently, it demands that we don't do so... I have been beating around the bush all this time, insinuating to you that something is holding us prisoner. Indeed we are held prisoner! "This was an energetic fact for the sorcerers of ancient Mexico ... They took us over because we are food for them, and they squeeze us mercilessly because we are their sustenance. just as we rear chickens in chicken coops, the predators rear us in human coops, humaneros. Therefore, their food is always available to them." "No, no, no, no," [Carlos replies] "This is absurd don Juan. What you're saying is something monstrous. It simply can't be true, for sorcerers or for average men, or for anyone." "Why not?" don Juan asked calmly. "Why not? Because it infuriates you? ... You haven't heard all the claims yet. I want to appeal to your analytical mind. Think for a moment, and tell me how you would explain the contradictions between the intelligence of man the engineer and the stupidity of his systems of beliefs, or the stupidity of his contradictory behaviour. Sorcerers believe that the predators have given us our systems of belief, our ideas of good and evil, our social mores. They are the ones who set up our hopes and expectations and dreams of success or failure. They have given us covetousness, greed, and cowardice. It is the predators who make us complacent, routinary, and egomaniacal." "'But how can they do this, don Juan? [Carlos] asked, somehow angered further by what [don Juan] was saying. "'Do they whisper all that in our ears while we are asleep?" "'No, they don't do it that way. That's idiotic!" don Juan said, smiling. "They are infinitely more efficient and organized than that. In order to keep us obedient and meek and weak, the predators engaged themselves in a stupendous manoeuvre stupendous, of course, from the point of view of a fighting strategist. A horrendous manoeuvre from the point of view of those who suffer it. They gave us their mind! Do you hear me? The predators give us their mind, which becomes our mind. The predators' mind is baroque, contradictory, morose, filled with the fear of being discovered any minute now." "I know that even though you have never suffered hunger... you have food anxiety, which is none other than the anxiety of the predator who fears that any moment now its manoeuvre is going to be uncovered and food is going to be denied. Through the mind, which, after all, is their mind, the predators inject into the lives of human beings whatever is convenient for them. And they ensure, in this manner, a degree of security to act as a buffer against their fear." "The sorcerers of ancient Mexico were quite ill at ease with the idea of when [the predator] made its appearance on Earth. They reasoned that man must have been a complete being at one point, with stupendous insights, feats of awareness that are mythological legends nowadays. And then, everything seems to disappear, and we have now a sedated man. What I'm saying is that what we have against us is not a simple predator. It is very smart, and organized. It follows a methodical system to render us useless. Man, the magical being that he is destined to be, is no longer magical. He's an average piece of meat." "There are no more dreams for man but the dreams of an animal who is being raised to become a piece of meat: trite, conventional, imbecilic.”

Posted by Delight (here)
There are plans now to TOTALLY reset the systems now. I see plans hurtling along:
Reduce the population through poisoning and starvation (and genocide between races triggered when the Us versus them is seen to be life or death).
End the ability to reproduce naturally and have a "family" with close multigenerational bonds.
Create the new "slave" from those who can survive.
Place the survivors in controlled "15 minute" centers where only the compliant able to survive will be completely controlled.
END Christianity as this system despite its errors is able to open people up to God and the values of Love, Compassion and Forgiveness.

Love breaks down the systems to the individual level. Love is the enemy of those bound to and by the systems. According to Christianity and many other religions, God IS Love.

Posted by Delight (here)
I am not a traditional Christian but I love God and I follow Christ. I am not worried about the afterlife. I do WONDER about the life now possible. All I can do is TRUST there is more to this experience I do not understand. Miracles are like white crows... if there is even one, they are REAL.

I am not a traditional Christian either. But I know that Christ showed people the way. A man who was touched by God and who tried to share that we could all be like him, but his message was coopted and he was diefied against his will.

Such is life in this mortal coil.

Posted by T Smith (here)
"...We all have one enemy and its not each other…. call it the One Below, the Evil one, the Trickster, the Snake. If we would harness all the hate we have used on each other and direct it at that Evil, we could exorcise it from our planet in a blink of an eye. That Evil—which we drink and drug ourselves to death to deny—enslaves and murders the children of the world every day by the thousands in vampiric, Satanic acts. The possessed actually extract and drink their blood and talk about it right in front of our faces, but we refuse to hear because we think it’s only a fantasy (but it’s not)—if we would only hate that Evil with all the hate we direct at each it would go away and we could stop it. And that’s what we’re here to do. To stop it. We have the power to stop everything horrible that is happening on this planet…."

Roseann Barr

Thanks for that quote, TSmith. Very apropos. She took one for the team in her outing of Hollywood. And, for all of the above, thank you ALL in turn. This is a very beautifully and soulfully wrought thread, so much honesty and trust in each other. You are appreciated greatly.

[T Smith]

Hi Mark,

First off, what a thoughtful, insightful, and a well-written post. I will echo DNA's comments (and I'm sure I speak for others as well); I very much appreciate the quality of thought, depth, and time you consistently expend on your responses. I know you've spent considerable time studying and analyzing this topic so your perspective is always educational and thought provoking.

A few thoughts:

Posted by Mark (here)

George Floyd ended the doubt that people of color were exaggerating when we said historically that the police were being brutal when they engaged us. The nation and the world came together then to try to create change. We were of a shared mind, for a moment. And then the pandemic deepened and we backed off of the reforms as the horror of that direct witnessing wore off and politics as usual returned.

I don't doubt the whole police brutality phenomenon, or that black folks were ever exaggerating. What does bother me, though, are the objectives and degree to which narratives around this phenomenon are spun, which ultimately influences and forms all our judgements about the reality undergirding race relations, police brutality, and racism in general. We thus absorb the narrative through the filter of personal experience, and the truth becomes subjective (and often divisive). I deliberately use the passive voice here. Because it's hard to pinpoint the subject of the narrative, the who and the why of it all (although I have my ideas). I'm tempted to say the MSM is the culprit, but I think it goes much deeper. To the extent the MSM is a centralized, institutional agent of propaganda, driven by agenda, the who and why of it goes much, much deeper and is far more narrow. Whoever is spinning the narrative at the social engineering level wants us all to understand the world in a certain way, undoubtedly for a certain reason. In other words, I know police brutality does exist and has existed, sometimes because of race. But I'm not sure to what degree it is a widespread problem, and to what degree it's a generated narrative. And more to the subject of this thread, I'm not entirely convinced, based on what may be anecdotal evidence presented to the world entire, and in theatrical fashion (e.g., the George Floyd incident), that police brutality is a racial phenomenon... Don't misunderstand me. It may be, and it may be a widespread problem, and it may even be a racial problem. I'm just not convinced. And why should I be? Fifty miles away, in an unreported city, on an unreported street unknown to the mediated world, in a dark cul de sac blacked out to MSM and social media (by design), and thus to the "statisticians" at large, a similar crime of police brutality has occurred, the victim being a poor White kid whacked out of his mind on drugs driving down the wrong side of the street. Maybe it was some Asian kid in the wrong place at the wrong time or some other person whose race is irrelevant. Or maybe not? I just don't know. All I know is the manipulators of mass perception selectively disseminate a slice of reality to me and others so I might understand the world in a certain way, and in the precise way they want me to understand it. And that picture inevitably excludes the poor White kid driving down the wrong side of the street while simultaneously amplifying the George Floyd stories. So my gut tells me the way the masses understand the George Floyd incident reflects an extremely distorted view of the way things are. If I were to speculate, I would say discrimination and prejudice based on poverty, socioeconomic status, and illicit crimes (e.g., drugs and alcohol) are definitely to blame, but not necessarily race, which just seems to be a contrived narrative. Or so it seems to me. Admittedly, these judgments may be founded on naivety or on a lack of personal experience, but it nonetheless seems as if I'm ingesting a production the puppeteers are pushing for some reason. As a result, true or not, I just can't trust the narrative.

Posted by Mark (here)

I think many people whose ancestors and families have prospered, or have been favored, by the engrained systemic preference that has been instituted by their nations, are upset that they are living in these karmic times. That they have to be the ones to deal with the shift in narrative and material well-being.

I don't think that they necessarily feel like that is fair and that is fair. To resent the times we live in and the situations that we are born into is a hard one, and it makes you want to not believe in such things as karma or fate or destiny. Why does this have to be happening to me and my children? Why can't we go back to when times were better?

Better for whom?

I agree. Boomerang social justice is a hard pill to swallow when the victim isn't the explicit subject of the weapon in motion, and especially in a culture that--once upon a time--embraced rugged individualism over taking individuals to trial for the sins of the father. But on a deeper level--to address the better for whom question---is also an issue the manipulators of mass perception have crafted extremely well. They have somehow convinced an entire swath of the political spectrum, mostly to the left of center, to conflate liberty, freedom, and prosperity (and even world peace) with White Supremacy and racism. That is quite a trick. Make America Great Again, from the perspective of this worldview, equates to Make America Pre-Jim Crow Again, back to a racist (and sexist) time dominated by White Males. In other words, if America embraces liberty, freedom, and prosperity--and ultimately to government by and for the people, it's really embracing a pernicious and regressive ideology characteristic of its racist roots, to a government by and for Racist/Sexist White Males. What? Really? We can't embrace liberty, freedom, and prosperity--and government by and for the people--without embracing racism? The two are inexorably entwined? Apparently so. Thus, any politician who dares speak with nostalgia to a time of America's pre-globalist past (or at the least to a time when globalism didn't have as much a sway over its politics), to a time when America was for the most part a sovereign nation that prospered by the tenants of government by and for the people (as opposed to by and for multinational corporations, the military industrial complex, and psychopathic social engineers), is brutally mocked, demonized, and considered racist, by default. This is how an entire group of people were brainwashed with Trump Derangement Syndrome and manipulated to subscribe to the false reality that Trump is a bigot and racist. Say what you will of DJT, and he certainly has many personality shortcomings and flaws--narcissism and being played by Big Pharma being the most egregious--the former charges are unfounded and the product of mind-control manipulation to dissuade the plebs from embracing the politics of liberty, freedom, and prosperity. And, what I would argue, to dissuade them from embracing politics in the best interests of all people of all colors and persuasions. This is essentially a hypnotic ploy to trick the masses to reject government by, of, and for the people, i.e., by, of, and for all people. In my view, the left and the progenitors of mass perception have thus successfully veiled the best interests of people of all races by projecting a Hobbesian view of humanity on the masses. They have successfully convinced a great deal of folks that humans are ultimately wicked and evil and racist--especially white folks (who so happen to be the largest political bloc)--and therefore we plebs must not and cannot be free, allowed to prosper, or allowed to exercise our own judgement, lest we would destroy the planet and empower and embolden our White Supremacy tendencies and the racism inherent to our wicked past. Personally, I'm a don't-throw-the-baby-out-with-the-bath-water kind of thinker, but this is just my personal perspective and perhaps a debate for another thread....

Posted by Mark (here)

Posted by DNA (here)
The United States is under attack right now.
The enemies of the United States are fomenting racial hatred in people of color so they will be okay with attacking and hating white people.
This is happening right now all across the country.
This is what Scott Adams referred to when citing a pole done stating 47% of black people say it is not okay to be white.

Ok. Let me ask this, then. Do you believe that the "enemies of the United States" are non-white people? Do you think China is behind this? That would be the only non-white nation with power enough to consider such a path. Isn't China where the White Hats came out of? Isn't there a Nesara thread with the gold down in the Marianas trench and such things within which China is positioned as a global savior of some sort by some?

I don't think race or color has anything to do with enemies DNA is talking about. Race and skin color is irrelevant and largely a distraction for we plebs. IMHO. These enemies may not even be human.

Posted by Mark (here)

As the polling side of things is confusing as well. Numerous graduate level classes in statistics have convinced me that Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain) was correct in his assessment that "There are lies, damn lies and statistics!"

100% spot on... The poll may not be accurate or reflective of reality. But for the same reason, it's hard for me to embrace anything these days that cite statistics. Especially if it's coming from the CDC or FDA We live in a post-modern world where truth and facts are subjective and agenda-driven, where one can advance any argument around any desired conclusion.

Posted by Mark (here)

Posted by DNA (here)
There is video after video showing black children beating white children and what's even more horrific is that the whites are getting beaten to the point of unconscious and they don't even fight back. They have been programmed by anti-white rhetoric to the point they don't even fight back. They don't even defend them selves.

Give me links. Let me see this evidence. You've mentioned this a few times now as some trend. It is not one that I see in the schools that I teach at nor one that I hear about in my national educator groups either. If this is 5, 10 videos or even more, that is still a drop in the bucket as far as population is concerned and these few videos may be being highlighted in order to get people to believe it is more widespread than it is.

That's just it. What is incidental evidence and what is a trend? Or objective reality? Especially if it falls outside one's personal experience as you aptly point out? Is it then but what the disseminators of mediated experience want to portray as a trend? It's hard to deny hatred toward White people is now sanctioned in society--and expressing these sentiments are now okay to say aloud--so it stands to reason one is going to experience it more. I've experienced what DNA is talking about--and you have also shared your own experiences of racism. So on the flip side, your experiences of racism may be more complicated because it's not okay or culturally acceptable to embrace or express the kind of racism you've described. At present anyway, racism appears to be overt on end of the continuum and covert on the other. If, indeed, this continuum, as I've just described it, isn't largely contrived to begin with. I know one thing for sure. If what DNA describes is a trend it's certainly not meant to be, as someone as well-read and educated as yourself would surely be onto it without the need for further citation... And on the same token, if racism in general is a widespread social problem subconsciously entwined deep in the hearts and psyches of men and women (as opposed to just a tribalist proclivity of human nature that manifests mostly at the periphery of society) it's certainly meant to be* , and far more than what manifests merely at the periphery.... *passive voice by deliberation

These are big questions. And provocative ones. I don't claim to have all the answers...

[DNA]

Posted by Wind (here)
I believe Dr. King was correct when he said that people shouldn't be judged by the color of the skin, but by the content of their character. I also believe that he was the last true (spiritually inclined) leader America ever had. He was taken out because the people in power feared that he could actually unite all people, both black and white. He truly embodied Christ-ian values, values about love and compassion. That's what they actually fear, unity. Unity between all people. Imagine truly united people in the united states, now wouldn't that be a sight. How could such people be controlled and enslaved?

Posted by Mark (here)
100% true. Yes!

Not to rain on your parades here but recent FBI released tapes show MLK to have had dozens of affairs and at least once to have laughed during a forced rape while being recorded by the FBI.

Posted by Mark (here)
Ok. Let me ask this, then. Do you believe that the "enemies of the United States" are non-white people? Do you think China is behind this? That would be the only non-white nation with power enough to consider such a path. Isn't China where the White Hats came out of? Isn't there a Nesara thread with the gold down in the Marianas trench and such things within which China is positioned as a global savior of some sort by some?

I think it's Japan if you're referring to the Ben Fulford thing. I'm not, but I would hardly think you need any kind of primer for any of this being a long standing member of this forum.
You really should familiarize yourself with the committee of 300 by Dr. John Coleman. It's a freaking must. This is the source material that Alex Jones and David Icke have been expanding on ever since it's publication in 1992. Coleman really was
ahead of his time. If you read his book he sounds like Nastradamus.
Here is the video at Rumble, I had trouble imbedding.
https://rumble.com/v2buapw-dr.-john-...-club-of-.html

Posted by Mark (here)
Give me links. Let me see this evidence. You've mentioned this a few times now as some trend. It is not one that I see in the schools that I teach at nor one that I hear about in my national educator groups either. If this is 5, 10 videos or even more, that is still a drop in the bucket as far as population is concerned and these few videos may be being highlighted in order to get people to believe it is more widespread than it is.

I will say this. They are out there. I've seen them. And this is going to sound like an excuse but here it goes.
I can source them, but they get buried. I'm of the opinion they get buried due to the algorythm Google uses being well, being owned and operated by the CIA.
Same thing with Youtube, they will show white on black crimes but when it comes to the other way around it's incredibly difficult to find.
I've found them as being used on various shows and channels that the hosts of are using this black on white violence to fan the flames of hate in ways I do not wish to, as such I do not wish to source them.

Not a very credible reply I know. But there you go for new until I find better search parameters. And by and large this is probably a tit for tat that will bring us no where.

Posted by Mark (here)
I teach in a school that is primarily Hispanic, then white, with a small percentage of black students, less than 5%. I've seen and heard nothing to this effect here from my white students.

That would make sense then.

Posted by Mark (here)
I've noticed a dramatic uptick in violence, period.

Black on black, black on white, white on white, people on people.

I believe it has to do with the solar and cosmic energy increase in our troposphere, what we call the Schumann Resonance. That energetic increase is making us ALL frenetic, ALL of us are feeling cagey, on edge, about to burst at any provocation. And that is what is happening. I see it on the highways as I drive a lot, people drive a lot more dangerously and crazy than they did a year ago, two years ago.

The majority of drivers follow the rules of the road, but there has been a noticeable increase in the percentage of those who don't anymore, they don't seem to give a damn and will do anything on the road.

Could there also be an element of race in this violence for some people? Of course. But unless you've got an overwhelming number of videos depicting specifically racialized violence, my thoughts on this are pretty well-formed by the evidence that I've accrued in my studies of space weather, LaViolette's super-wave and SuspiciousObserver's macronova cycle.

I think we are like lab rats having social experiments performed on us.
I don't think it's Solar activity.
I think it's the music.
I think it's the movies.
I think it's the TV, the media, the advertising.

Posted by Mark (here)
I was raised in the church. My parents were black Baptists from the south, which is very different from being Southern Baptist. I went to church every Sunday. Not just 11:00 service, but Sunday School as well. I was in the choirs of whatever churches we went to. Went to vacation bible school in the summers. Bible camps. We went to the black Baptist Church in the town I was born in when my father was between duty stations, or we were close enough to a black community off-base in the cities we lived in and around.

But otherwise, we went to church on the Air Force bases that my father was stationed at. Everywhere across the world that he took us.

And it was in these military churches, back in the 80s, that I was taught about the Rapture and the Tribulation, the Anti-Christ, Christ's Return, the 1000 year Reign when the devil would be locked into the Pit, then released again, then the Final Judgement.

So I am, personally and foundationally, Christian.

You are very lucky to have had such a cohesive and wonderful family. Your father sounds like he was a wonderful man.

Posted by Mark (here)
And yet, I am integrally a Mystic, because of my own, personal revelations of spirit. This broadens my understanding to encompass all religious traditions. My experience as a Christian Mystic helps me to understand that Buddhists have some things right, as do Hindus, as do Muslims, as do those who practice indigenous religions. The underlying spiritual basis of the world is the same. How we approach it and integrate it within our lives is where the cultural and societal environmental and linguistic differences come into play.

I agree very much with your stance on these matters. I grew up pretty much without religion. I bounced around in so far as beliefs. I found a few practical methods of meditation and through that search formed a belief system very personal and I do not push it on others nor do I feel the need to. Probably something along the lines of a Gnostic/Taoist.

But then I had kids. And I had to decide how to approach God from the point of view of leading a household.
My views take time, energy and worth with all to come to the conclusions of. My personal views are not those to lead a family. One needs to have a readily applicable solution. So I embrace Christianity.

And then came the elite.
Then came Maria Abromovich and her spirit cooking.

You should read Herve's thread on Sue Arrigo.

I was on the fence about this stuff being real or not. Adrenochrome, satanism, child sacrifice. I suppose I refused to fully believe it until the Julianne Assange wikileaks drops. Then came the emails between Hillary and John Podesta.
I was shocked. I went into a shell. I was depressed for weeks.
It validated everything Sue Arrigo had said in 2007.

Bohemian Grove and Stanley Kubrick's Eyes Wide Shut.

Yeah, this stuff is real.
And with that.
With knowing that the elite of our country practice human sacrifice and satanism and pedophilia.
One needs to have beliefs and convictions one can share with one's community.
The new testament and Jesus's teachings are just good common sense.
And if the evil elite of the world can be conceptualized as satanists willing to do what they do then at the very least I can take the opposite stance and be in league with the greatest number of people who would also be in opposition to everything the elite are. I'm a Christian. I live my life according to Christianity.

Posted by Mark (here)
I share this background to tell you that I get it and know where you're coming from and see the attack that you are speaking of as one on the systemic orthodoxy of the United States as it has been formulated over centuries now.

Absolutely

Posted by Mark (here)
This is so and the nature and purpose of the world systems and instutitions, as well as many nations' material culture, which concentrates on the political and economic machinations of production and industry.

BUT.

GOD, in this case, as the Creative Function of the Multiverse and not Yldberoth the blind, crazy god, not Lucifer, Anu, Marduk, Enlil, Zeus, Odin, Oldumare, Quetzlcoatl or any of the other pretenders to the throne, is Supreme and we cannot envison or conceive of what is so far beyond our ken as to be Mystery itself.

Indeed! I Grok.
What is beyond the Tonal! What is beyond that which is not in our comprehension and yet is still part of our being.

If you ever get a chance to look into The Urantia book, there is a contrivance known as The Personal Adjuster. It is by and large synonymous with Castaneda's WILL.
It is a portion of the Naguel, it is a portion of God that is held in respect and awe by every Angel in the pantheon of the Universe and it's purpose is to eventually unite with the specific human it is meant for, and when that happens the human combusts with a fire from within.

It draws many parallels in the reading of what Don Juan was like when possessed by the force of WILL.

Sorry for that sidebar.

[Mark]

Posted by T Smith (here)
What does bother me, though, are the objectives and degree to which narratives around this phenomenon are spun, which ultimately influences and forms all our judgements about the reality undergirding race relations, police brutality, and racism in general.

Isn't that human nature, though, to a large extent? Ever play the telephone game? Where you stand in a line and whisper something in someone's ear, then they whisper it into the ear of the person next to them and so on until it gets to the end of the line and the tale that's told by that last person is not the same as the original story?

Any phenomenon, any story has to get through the filter of human perception, first. And now, our human perception has another, artificial filter we call the media. It's always been there to some degree. The African Griots, who told the stories of the people, passed down from generation to generation. Sure, they were supposed to memorize the stories exactly to make sure there was fidelity in the telling of the tales, but there must have been some loss of accuracy over the centuries and millennia. The mythmakers and tellers of every people around the world. Our first Soap Operas were the Aristocrats and Royals of the ancient civilizations, right? The normal people at the bottom of the pyramid toiled during the day and went to the pub in the evening to hear the latest exploits of the rich and famous, what did Pharoah Khufu do today? What?! He wants to build a tomb inside that ancient death machine on the plateau??? He better watch out, he'll wake up the equally ancient Sphinx and we're all in trouble!

Crazy elites, there’s a conspiracy to kill us all!

Tavistok, MKUltra, Illuminati machinations to control the world and implement a New World Order, a Great Reset in the face of natural cycles that promise disaster for living generations, but wait, haven't all generations in some form or another thought that their times were the end times? What makes our times any different?

We can list the ways. Relations between different groups, no matter the makeup if there are in-group cultural differences, always include friction and drama, as those groups meet and merge, their cultures coalescing and diverging, each influencing the other as has always happened all around the world since time immemorial. We talk about those differences, highlight them and mythologize them over time, as we see happening in the mainstream media, to the tune of the Modern Electronic Griots, programmed by Project Monarch to spew the party line of the highest power of the times, for the purpose of remaining the highest and accruing all power unto itself.

Posted by T Smith (here)
All I know is the manipulators of mass perception selectively disseminate a slice of reality to me and others so I might understand the world in a certain way, and in the precise way they want me to understand it.

The first major motion picture to come out of Hollywood, the Blockbuster of its time was The Birth of a Nation. It highlighted a certain reality in America that had been almost 250 years in the making by that time. White dominance over all others in the nation. 100 years later, almost 350 years after slavery was racialized, we see President Obama, Globalism, Illuminati plans, ancient in conception coming to fruition, a prophecy that the world will change met in every culture the world across.

When the world changes, it seems it does not play around and the dominant narratives shift. What is our dominant narrative? Is it shifting? It is indeed. It makes sense that the opposite of what has been the norm occurs and the world seems upside down to many. Questions abound and accrue about what is going on, whose behind it, we must fight it, who do we fight, where is the enemy?

The enemy seems to be time. And the reality that change is the norm as is the evolution and consolidation of cultures to shift into different forms, as Homo Sapiens Sapiens has since our earliest evolutionary periods, during the times when Denisovans, Neanderthals, unknown hominid cousins in Africa, Homo Florensensis down in Southeast Asia and other unknown influences, perhaps otherworldly in nature, mixed and matched us all to create this version, which is ever-changing and evolving as well, in who knows what direction these days, with all of the scientific advances in genetic modification, all these animals around that must be so tempting to those holding the keys to the genetic kingdom in their psychopathic paws.

The more things change, the more things say the same. We comport to the Controllers' narratives when we don't have one of our own. The way they want us to understand the world seems to be a generalized reflection of shifts in population and in environment that they seem to have some control over, while we have none and don't even officially know as a collective that such control is even possible. Yet, beyond them, the shifts are at an even higher level and we are in times when these things must be.

I believe there is still space for other narratives to thrive, though, and they will, because diversity is key and multiple modalities of living and evolving have always existed. These times will be no different. Those who don't want to believe what is going on will believe what they will, assign blame and enemy status to those they must and live how they will for as long as they can.

That, also, seems to be an ancient pattern for our greater human family.

Posted by T Smith (here)
They have somehow convinced an entire swath of the political spectrum, mostly to the left of center, to conflate liberty, freedom, and prosperity (and even world peace) with White Supremacy and racism. That is quite a trick.

Is it, really?

Hasn't it always been conflated since the beginnings of this nation?

Really?

Posted by T Smith (here)
In other words, if America embraces liberty, freedom, and prosperity--and ultimately to government by and for the people, it's really embracing a pernicious and regressive ideology characteristic of its racist roots, to a government by and for Racist/Sexist White Males.

I don't think this is actually so. The problem is, though, that perspective is institutionalized. And always has been. Many people believe it needs to shift as the population demographics shift as well. To go down the road to stop that would be to embrace supremacy philosophies that have not worked out well for those who've attempted them.

Posted by T Smith (here)
Really? We can't embrace liberty, freedom, and prosperity--and government by and for the people--without embracing racism?

We can. And we must.

Posted by T Smith (here)
They have successfully convinced a great deal of folks that humans are ultimately wicked and evil and racist--especially white folks (who so happen to be the largest political bloc)--and therefore we plebs must not and cannot be free, allowed to prosper, or allowed to exercise our own judgement, lest we would destroy the planet and empower and embolden our White Supremacy tendencies and the racism inherent to our wicked past. Personally, I'm a don't-throw-the-baby-out-with-the-bath-water kind of thinker, but this is just my personal perspective and perhaps a debate for another thread....

I agree with the wicked and evil part. A lot of that comes from our Judeo-Christian national religious background and the atheist bent that comes with Liberalism and Scientism. Education kind of foments that understanding of the world through Modern Environmentalism and a zero-sum philosophy. And educated people are apparently now the majority of those called Liberal who vote Democrat these days. Here's a quote from someone who had inside information, Isaac Asimov: “There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."

I think that reality though, is more widespread than just the United States. Or, as it pertains to people of other persuasions, be they cultural, ethnic or racial.

Also, more than just white people want and need to be free, right? We all want that, yes? And is the past really the past when it is still with us? The world has changed a lot, it is true, but there is a lot of resentment and pushback against people of color in a lot of different ways right now. Political and economic retrenchment is well underway, so this idea that whites are somehow being deprived of rights and are no longer the preferred group, inheritors of the privilege of empire, is a non-starter for anyone who looks at the economics and also the cultural milieu as well.

Posted by T Smith (here)
I don't think race or color has anything to do with enemies DNA is talking about. Race and skin color is irrelevant and largely a distraction for we plebs. IMHO. These enemies may not even be human.

Absolutely. With an understanding that 'human' has a very limited connotation in this regard, as those entities have probably been here longer than we have in our current form, and have mixed their dna with ours to greater and lesser extents over a long period of time.

Posted by T Smith (here)
The poll may not be accurate or reflective of reality. But for the same reason, it's hard for me to embrace anything these days that cite statistics. Especially if it's coming from the CDC or FDA We live in a post-modern world where truth and facts are subjective and agenda-driven, where one can advance any argument around any desired conclusion.

Oh my, we live in a post-modern world? You're into Critical Theory, T Smith? Are those big T "Truths" or little t? Big F "Facts" or little f?

Posted by T Smith (here)
It's hard to deny hatred toward White people is now sanctioned in society--and expressing these sentiments are now okay to say aloud--so it stands to reason one is going to experience it more. I've experienced what DNA is talking about--and you have also shared your own experiences of racism. So on the flip side, your experiences of racism may be more complicated because it's not okay or culturally acceptable to embrace or express the kind of racism you've described. At present anyway, racism appears to be overt on end of the continuum and covert on the other. If, indeed, this continuum, as I've just described it, isn't largely contrived to begin with. I know one thing for sure. If what DNA describes is a trend it's certainly not meant to be, as someone as well-read and educated as yourself would surely be onto it without the need for further citation... And on the same token, if racism in general is a widespread social problem subconsciously entwined deep in the hearts and psyches of men and women (as opposed to just a tribalist proclivity of human nature that manifests mostly at the periphery of society) it's certainly meant to be* , and far more than what manifests merely at the periphery.... *passive voice by deliberation

These are big questions. And provocative ones. I don't claim to have all the answers...

Much of the more extreme expressions of racism are indeed peripheral. The only caveat is that people more mainstreamed are influenced by those peripheries when they are fearful and it becomes a block of like-minded individuals and a herd response. It has been apparent after every, single advance people of color have made in this nation. Reconstruction after the Civil War, Integration after the Civil Rights era, Trump after Obama. A collective, majority-population attempt to return, to some degree, to what the world was before these major shifts.

But each time there has been push back, there has still been incremental change, those who have wished to do so have not been able to turn back the clock fully.

That seems to be the way of the world and how it works.

[Mark]

Couldn't open the MLK link you shared on my computer or phone. I was aware he'd cheated on his wife, but the 'forced rape' thing is new. What is the source?

Posted by DNA (here)
You really should familiarize yourself with the committee of 300 by Dr. John Coleman.

Thank you, I will do so. I have read about them generally, I seem to recall, but can't remember anything in-depth. I will refamiliarize myself with the group.

Posted by DNA (here)
I think we are like lab rats having social experiments performed on us.
I don't think it's Solar activity.
I think it's the music.
I think it's the movies.
I think it's the TV, the media, the advertising.

All of those are things we create. As we are being influenced by the influx of energies.

Posted by DNA (here)
You are very lucky to have had such a cohesive and wonderful family. Your father sounds like he was a wonderful man.

I was indeed. I know the situation that I was raised in was idyllic in many ways. He sometimes apologizes to this day for raising me in such a sheltered environment, as he knows I am very sensitive. But all things are as they must be and I am who I am for a reason. I am, personally, very thankful for my life and know that the experiences I had are not the norm, which has given me a perspective that is also not the norm.

I have seen multiracial environments and relatively egalitarian work conditions work. So I know they can. Wonderfully.

Posted by DNA (here)
I agree very much with your stance on these matters. I grew up pretty much without religion. I bounced around in so far as beliefs. I found a few practical methods of meditation and through that search formed a belief system very personal and I do not push it on others nor do I feel the need to. Probably something along the lines of a Gnostic/Taoist.

Yep. I totally get that. Before I found out in recent years that there is a strong tradition of Western, Christian Mystics, a good number of whom were burned at the stake or otherwise killed lol, I considered myself more Taoist. But Jesus was a mystic, as were the Gnostics. So I don't find that lived reality to be inimical to the Christian tradition, as it is its esoteric core, rather than the exoteric, rote storytelling that passes for spiritual immersion these days in most churches.

Posted by DNA (here)
But then I had kids. And I had to decide how to approach God from the point of view of leading a household.
My views take time, energy and worth with all to come to the conclusions of. My personal views are not those to lead a family. One needs to have a readily applicable solution. So I embrace Christianity.

Yes. I get that and agree, when it comes to raising children. They have to have a foundation. But ... they are not so ignorant as to not recognize universal truths when they hear and see them. And, the children who've been coming in for the past 20+ years are as Dolores Cannon has described them and primed for this new reality.

Posted by DNA (here)
And then came the elite.
Then came Maria Abromovich and her spirit cooking.

I find Pizzagate quite convincing, yes. The thing was, most people didn't look at the evidence. They just listened to the Pundits and trusted their blanket derision as factual.

Posted by DNA (here)
I was on the fence about this stuff being real or not. Adrenochrome, satanism, child sacrifice. I suppose I refused to fully believe it until the Julianne Assange wikileaks drops. Then came the emails between Hillary and John Podesta.
I was shocked. I went into a shell. I was depressed for weeks.
It validated everything Sue Arrigo had said in 2007.

I read those emails also. Saw the code words. Examined the symbols they use to identify themselves to each other.

Posted by DNA (here)
Bohemian Grove and Stanley Kubrick's Eyes Wide Shut.

Yeah, this stuff is real.
And with that.
With knowing that the elite of our country practice human sacrifice and satanism and pedophilia.

Cathy O'Brien, as I mentioned previously, laid it all out clearly and succinctly. We know who they are and what they do and they are beyond political party.

Posted by DNA (here)
One needs to have beliefs and convictions one can share with one's community.
The new testament and Jesus's teachings are just good common sense.
And if the evil elite of the world can be conceptualized as satanists willing to do what they do then at the very least I can take the opposite stance and be in league with the greatest number of people who would also be in opposition to everything the elite are. I'm a Christian. I live my life according to Christianity.

I do not disagree, as long as the precepts that Jesus lived by are the ones that are being followed. I do not know that is necessarily the case with what they call Christian Nationalism these days, or even Evangelicalism.

Posted by DNA (here)
Indeed! I Grok.
What is beyond the Tonal! What is beyond that which is not in our comprehension and yet is still part of our being.

The Nagual. The Eagle, as Casteneda envisioned that remorseless, all-encompassing and rapacious predator that devours all souls, excepting those who have become self-realized by Stopping the World.

Posted by DNA (here)
If you ever get a chance to look into The Urantia book, there is a contrivance known as The Personal Adjuster. It is by and large synonymous with Castaneda's WILL. It is a portion of the Naguel, it is a portion of God that is held in respect and awe by every Angel in the pantheon of the Universe and it's purpose is to eventually unite with the specific human it is meant for, and when that happens the human combusts with a fire from within.

It draws many parallels in the reading of what Don Juan was like when possessed by the force of WILL.

Sorry for that sidebar.

Good sidebar. I tried to read Urantia many years ago but found it a bit old school for my tastes. I would probably read it differently these days, as I know how influential it has been for so many people over quite a bit of time now. Thanks for that!

[Ewan]

Posted by Mark (here)

Posted by DNA (here)
You really should familiarize yourself with the committee of 300 by Dr. John Coleman.

Thank you, I will do so. I have read about them generally, I seem to recall, but can't remember anything in-depth. I will refamiliarize myself with the group.

Here you are Mark, a link to a video in our own Avalon Library.

https://avalonlibrary.net/The_Club_o...hn_Coleman.mp4