WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

[happyuk]

Worryingly 77th Brigade commader and MP Tobias Ellwood is calling for direct conflict.

I've always had concerns about that man. British people generally don't dislike Russians, but our political class do, for some reason.

What's the betting this keyboard warrior won't be anywhere near the front lines?

[shaberon]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
The conflict was primed by the US back in 2014 (or arguably earlier). The neocons' strategic goal was to destroy Russia and its people once and for all.

Yes, I would argue for Operation Belladonna--1946, which was probing for Bandera as an asset. I can't remember the whole story, but, this certainly sounds like the Truman doctrine. If anyone remembers their lives, somewhere in the 1980s, as a public menace, we quit focusing on the Russkies/commies/gooks, and started hating on the sand people such as Iran and so forth, and the Cold War enemy "changed" and looked like so many others, then in the 90s these Neocons kind of bubbled up under this "multi-country" animosity, something like a camouflage over their ultimate intent, Russia.

They were just thinking in bigger cycles than the day-to-day view of a tv watcher, however, they have grossly overestimated their projection of force. By now, what they have projected, amounts to potential graveyards, little more.


I would say the miscegenation of Ukraine started in the 1600s, and was the main source of human cattle for Zionism. Our, um, country...was mostly xenophobic and isolated until this Zionist opportunity. At this point, it cannot begin to speak without someone throwing out a sheet of all the bombings, color revolutions, and millions of lives lost it has caused, and that is only a superficial look at the damage.


I thought this was supposed to be a British master-minded plot, but, I fail to see how anything is playing out either in favor of the Crown, or any private interests from there. If I have missed something important, I hope someone will post it.

[kfm27917]

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...-bakhmuts-east

Russian forces control nearly half the city in their push to secure their first big victory in several months.

The General Staff of the Ukraine's Armed Forces said in its Wednesday morning report: "The enemy, despite significant losses, ... continues to storm the town of Bakhmut."

Wagner head Yevgeny Prigozhin said his fighters, who have been spearheading the Russian campaign to seize Bakhmut, had now captured the city's east. "Everything east of the Bakhmutka River is completely under the control of Wagner," Prigozhin said on Telegram.

[ExomatrixTV]

• Sergei Lavrov Destroys Biden’s Argument On Ukraine:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=LCh-cDuoSlY

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov recently addressed a group in India and, when confronted with challenges about Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, inquired why the same standard isn’t applied to the United States’ efforts to “defend” itself in Serbia, Iraq and elsewhere all over the globe. It’s a blatant double standard that we’re all supposed to pretend isn’t. Jimmy and Americans’ Comedian Kurt Metzger discuss Lavrov’s comments and why we don’t “hear about” U.S. atrocities and war crimes.

[Open Minded Dude]

We might reach a tipping point now and the US changes course due to the RAND corporation's recommendation, according to Russia-based insider and investigative journalist Thomas Roeper:

https://www-anti--spiegel-ru.transla..._x_tr_pto=wapp

“Tracks Lead to Ukraine”: A US Government “Nord Stream Show”?
On March 7, it was reported that the traces of the Nord Stream blast "lead to Ukraine." It is interesting that different media, citing different sources, reported this at the same time, which indicates a controlled media campaign.
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March 8, 2023 6:00 am

I have already translated the New York Times article reporting that a group of Ukrainians blew up the Nord Streams . While I was still translating, German media also reported that the traces of the Nord Stream blast “lead to Ukraine”. This was the result of joint research by the ARD capital studio , the ARD political magazine Kontraste, the SWR and the "Zeit" . In the Tagesschau that was – in contrast to the Hersh research a few weeks ago – even the lead in the 20.15 program of the Tagesschau.

In its article, the New York Times refers to unnamed sources in the US secret services, while the German media refers to their own research and findings by German investigators. The American New York Times and the German media are clearly referring to different sources, but published their essentially identical “revelations” at almost exactly the same time.

Since we are talking about allegedly top-secret findings by the US secret services and equally top-secret findings by German investigators - after all, the federal government has refused to answer small inquiries on the subject with reference to "interests in secrecy" . that a media campaign coordinated by government agencies in the USA and Germany was launched here, in my opinion there is no other explanation.

Therefore, we will now look at what could be behind it. I'll say it right away: I'm doing something here that I don't like to do, because I'm going to speculate a bit in the second half of this article. But this story invites you to speculate about it and the nice thing is that in this case we will know in a few days or weeks whether these speculations are confirmed.
The history

It is not speculation that the pipelines were blown, nor is it speculation, it is a fact that the blowing up of the pipelines was quickly swept under the rug by the Western media, but the issue of media and politicians has been plaguing outside the Western media bubble has, as I have repeatedly reported . States that do not belong to the US-dominated West asked uncomfortable questions, because it was obvious to everyone that only Western states could be the perpetrators. Even the New York Times has now admitted this when it wrote in its current article:

“Some initial speculation in the US and Europe focused on possible Russian guilt, particularly given its capabilities in underwater operations, although it is unclear what the Kremlin's motivation would be in sabotaging the pipelines, as this is an important source of revenue and a means for Moscow are to exert influence on Europe.”

That's exactly what evil "Russian propagandists" like me have been writing since the pipelines blew up, which is why it's surprising that the New York Times of all places is now confirming it. But if Russia didn't blow up the pipelines, as the German media has always suggested, then the only possible perpetrators would be the western states that had previously railed loudest against Nord Stream: These were primarily Ukraine, Poland and the Baltic States States, Great Britain and above all the leading power in the West, without whose approval nothing decisive happens in the West, the USA.

As I said, that was clear to everyone, which is why the pressure on the USA, as the leading power in the West, to contribute to the clarification was great internationally. When Seymour Hersh then also published his revelations that the USA had blown up the pipelines, the pressure became even greater, because on the international stage the USA was embarrassed and in fact exposed as the country that an act of war, among other things, against its NATO allies, especially Germany.

Add to that the Hersh report, too if Western media have triedto discredit him was very detailed and convincing. The US government has effectively refused to answer, instead simply calling the Hersh report "absurd" rather than refuting it. And disproving him wouldn't have been very difficult, you could have started by summoning those responsible - i.e. the US President's National Security Advisor, the CIA chief and maybe the Vice Admiral of the US 6th Fleet - before Congress and they to question there under oath. If Hersh's story were nonsense, they could have refuted everything in detail under oath and, most importantly, clearly stated that the US had nothing to do with it. But that was not done, and U.S. government press officials did not even explicitly contradict the report, declining comment on it, saying

The US government was then under great international pressure and pressure to act because of the Nord Stream blast, after all it wants to win other countries over to its anti-Russian and anti-Chinese course. But what country would side with the US when they are taking action against their own allies?
Complete the Ukraine adventure

In January, the RAND corporation, which is very influential in the US , published a paper that very strongly recommended that the US government withdraw from the Ukraine adventure, even quite bluntly recognizing Russia's territorial gains and lifting sanctions on Russia brought into play. Reading papers from the RAND Corporation is worthwhile, because RAND actually writes US foreign policy and when RAND recommends something, the US government very often implements it shortly afterwards, as I have shown here using an example from 2019 .

In its January 2023 paper, RAND soberly analyzed that the US's goals in Ukraine had failed. The US provoked the Ukraine war to weaken Russia. The expected goal was to crush the Russian economy through the unprecedented sanctions and isolate Russia internationally. Both obviously didn't work.

Therefore, RAND has analyzed what the US gains from continuing to support Ukraine if it cannot achieve its ultimate goal of weakening Russia. RAND concluded that continued support for Ukraine is incredibly expensive, but brings no commensurate benefit or gain to the US. And RAND has openly said that it doesn't matter to the US whether Kiev loses control of (ex-)Ukrainian lands to Russia, and that preserving Ukraine's borders isn't such a big priority for the US that it's worth the cost .

Therefore, RAND has recommended that the US government end the Ukraine adventure at the negotiating table as soon as possible, even if that means Russia taking control of parts of Ukraine and if it means the US having to ease sanctions on Russia again. RAND is also willing to sacrifice Ukraine's NATO membership and more if only the US government can end the Ukraine adventure quickly.

There is only one catch: the US government has so thoroughly turned against Russia both its allies and the public in the West, including the US, that the US government has difficulty in conveying such a change of course to them. RAND wrote:

“A dramatic overnight change in US policy is politically impossible – both domestically and towards allies – and in any case would be unwise. But if these tools are developed now and popularized in Ukraine and among US allies, it could serve as a catalyst to begin a process that could end this war through negotiations in a timeframe consistent with US interests. The alternative would be a long war that poses major challenges for the US, Ukraine and the rest of the world.”

Explain the "dramatic change in US policy".

The core question was therefore how the USA can get the public and politicians in the West to participate in the "dramatic change in US policy" .

Those were all facts, from now on I'm speculating: If the US government decided to implement the RAND recommendation, then they could explain to the West that it was Ukraine that blew up the Nord Streams. One could continue to condemn Russia for its "aggressive war," but state that Kiev has been unfriendly, to put it politely, towards its patrons, which is why it can no longer expect Western support on the same scale as before.

One could force Kiev to negotiate with Russia and demand from Kiev the concessions that RAND proposed in its paper, which in fact include almost everything Russia is asking for: recognition of the new Russian territories including Crimea, a neutral Ukraine, the abolition of ( or at least strong weakening) of Russia sanctions and so on.

It would be relatively easy to sell this to the Western public, although no expert will of course believe the story that Kiev blew up the Nord Streams single-handedly and without the knowledge of the US and NATO. But the power of the Western media can work wonders for Western public opinion, as the silencing and discrediting of the Hersh report just demonstrated once again. For the US, as RAND has learned, it is only important to explain the “dramatic change in US policy (…) both domestically and towards its allies” . And that's what Western media can do by keeping the topic "Ukraine has blown up Nord Stream" in the headlines for some time.

So we can see the early signs in the next few days that this might be the US government's plan if the western media jumps on the subject. Should they immediately bury the topic again, my speculation should not have hit the mark.

But let's pretend my speculation is correct.
The implementation

Chancellor Scholz's strange visit to Washington, during which Scholz flew to the United States alone without advisors and journalists, only to have a two-hour private conversation with US President Biden and then give CNN a quick and completely meaningless interview , has aroused much speculation.

It cannot be ruled out that Scholz was confronted with a fait accompli in Washington and committed to the prepared media campaign about “Ukraine has blown up Nord Stream”. After all, it is a very strange coincidence that these reports were published by American and German media just four days after Scholz's mysterious visit to the White House.

That it is a media campaign is shown by the above-mentioned fact that the German and American media on the same day referred to different sources that gave them top secret information that basically says the same thing: A group of Ukrainian citizens is with a small sailing yacht sailed from Germany to the pipelines, where special divers (unnoticed by the complete NATO surveillance of the Baltic Sea off Denmark and Sweden) attached the explosives to the pipelines.

The story is absurd and completely unrealistic, but the western media has even been able to convince the public that the passports of the 9/11 attackers were found intact in the rubble immediately after the collapse of the Twin Towers, which is why wars against Afghanistan are urgently needed and had to lead Iraq. In comparison, the story of the sailing yacht that was able to plant the explosive devices unnoticed in the closely monitored Baltic Sea is downright believable.
Sit back and wait

Now all we have to do is sit back and see if the Western media prominently broadcast the “Ukraine blew up Nord Stream” story. And should that happen, we can await with great curiosity how the first western politicians will question aid to Ukraine and demand an ultimatum from Kiev to negotiate with Russia.

But maybe I'm wrong with my little speculation and the apparently coordinated publications by German and American media about the alleged Ukrainian trace of the Nord Stream blast are pursuing a different goal.

It is well known that forecasts are always difficult, especially when they relate to the future. Let's wait...

https://www.anti-spiegel.ru/2023/spu...-us-regierung/

[Ravenlocke]

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[BMJ]

This post relates more to the WW3 aspect, as it seems germany is gearing up for a confrontation with Russia, I take it via NATO in defence of the possible new member Ukraine.

Germany In Talks to Buy $3b Boxer CRV from Australia

Australia is negotiating its most lucrative defence export deal, with the German army planning to buy hundreds of Queensland-made armoured vehicles as Berlin builds up its military in response to Russian aggression.

Talks over the deal, which could be worth up to $3 billion, are well advanced between the Australian and German governments, and are expected to support thousands of jobs in south-east Queensland and across the broader supply chain nationally.

The first of the Boxer Combat Reconnaissance Vehicles could be delivered to Germany next year.

The Boxers are made by German defence contractor Rheinmetall, which is already supplying 211 Boxer vehicles to the Australian army under a $4.3 billion contract.

But the prospective German contract could have an even bigger production run, with Berlin interested in acquiring several hundred vehicles as part of its €100 billion ($157 billion) spending spree on new weapons.

Link: https://www.afr.com/politics/federal...0230305-p5cpfy

Boxer

The Boxer is a multirole armoured fighting vehicle designed by an international consortium to accomplish a number of operations through the use of installable mission modules.

Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_...hting_vehicle)

[shaberon]

So, I was curious about who could be banal enough to repeat some drivel out of another one of Scholz's many trips to hell.


This is what I was readily able to find about the source, ARD-Hauptstadtstudio:

This German television-related article is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it.

The studios were opened on 16 April 1999, when the federal government moved from Bonn to Berlin.


Let's keep in mind that German society was flooded with tv access in the 1980s by Mr. R. Reagan for the sole purpose of "keeping Germany down".

All the statistics I have seen lately seem to show it has not progressed an inch since 1936.

If this were a really weird crime, like 9/11, then we would have said the Ukrainians did it within about six hours. But it wasn't. According to the previous story, it was a presidential order, which was all but explained by the prez himself on national tv.

I thought it was absolutely wonky when those politicians came out and made strong statements about the Nordstream. Does anyone remember that? Did they not seem to be screaming delusional warhawks at the time??

I have usually thought they confess, a lot, constantly, usually by way of glib doublespeak such as Democracy. So, those things that were said sounded much more like a threat than "another round of sanctions" does, which isn't really a threat, but a way to keep Germany down.

Just to set the perspective, regardless of whatever data or facts they may issue, if anything, ever, right now some 70-80% of the entire world is going to mistrust/disbelieve anything coming from the U. S.

At the end of the day, RAND is at least an industrial view, but is far in the opposite political camp of the Biden regime, which of course acts according to "interests" rather than things like actual knowledge about one's industrial capacities. To refresh this "opposite camp", no, you will not be able to salvage the situation as "USA-firsters", because, now, at most you might be able to come in fourth. About the mightiest miracle that it will be possible to achieve right now is "US remains relevant". Again just look it is almost $1T in debt with a population less than 1/4 of some of the more relevant countries.

I have spent most of the 2000s asking anyone who is good at math to try to solve that equation, and it hasn't happened yet. Just keeps getting worse. When we pledge our children to this bondage, but then we don't have any, how does that work?

[Mike Gorman]

Posted by happyuk (here)
Worryingly 77th Brigade commader and MP Tobias Ellwood is calling for direct conflict.

I've always had concerns about that man. British people generally don't dislike Russians, but our political class do, for some reason.

What's the betting this keyboard warrior won't be anywhere near the front lines?

Attachment 50553

Yes, I am a Brit and I grew up in the 1960's when Russia was the Soviet Union, I recall the palpable fear among the population concerning the ever-present threat of vaporization at the hands of the cold, remote Slavic enemies, it really was a time of distinct and clear division.
The British Intelligence community has carried on with this Russophobic culture, it seems the inertia and updating of attitudes takes many decades in those circles, they both fear/Loath Russia and its intentions, they just don't have any capacity for reviewing their stance it seems. We know that the Russia of today is vastly different than back in the 1960's, it has undergone terrific changes, the scale of which we can barely imagine.
What will it take before the British intelligence community refreshes its views?
I think it is a forlorn hope really, there is just too much history and torch-bearing bad faith-it will take many generations and decades of good will before they will change.
Trouble is, we do not have the time, we are faced with the most crucial precipice of all-out War that has ever been.
This fella is not who we want in the power circles, we know this, God help us all.

[Bruce G Charlton]

Posted by Mike Gorman (here)

Posted by happyuk (here)
Worryingly 77th Brigade commader and MP Tobias Ellwood is calling for direct conflict.

I've always had concerns about that man. British people generally don't dislike Russians, but our political class do, for some reason.

What's the betting this keyboard warrior won't be anywhere near the front lines?

Attachment 50553

Yes, I am a Brit and I grew up in the 1960's when Russia was the Soviet Union, I recall the palpable fear among the population concerning the ever-present threat of vaporization at the hands of the cold, remote Slavic enemies, it really was a time of distinct and clear division.
The British Intelligence community has carried on with this Russophobic culture, it seems the inertia and updating of attitudes takes many decades in those circles, they both fear/Loath Russia and its intentions, they just don't have any capacity for reviewing their stance it seems. We know that the Russia of today is vastly different than back in the 1960's, it has undergone terrific changes, the scale of which we can barely imagine.
What will it take before the British intelligence community refreshes its views?
I think it is a forlorn hope really, there is just too much history and torch-bearing bad faith-it will take many generations and decades of good will before they will change.
Trouble is, we do not have the time, we are faced with the most crucial precipice of all-out War that has ever been.
This fella is not who we want in the power circles, we know this, God help us all.

I'm English (British) too.

I think there have been motivational changes in the West's relation to Russia, over the past several generations.

There are generic and long-term geopolitical reasons that the West has long (since before 1917) wanted to destroy (break-up, exploit) Russia; because it is seen as a threat, and from greed. But that isn't the same as being specifically anti-Russian in the current cultural sense.

I think quite a lot of the political class (not the spooks, necessarily) used to have pro-*USSR* views, because they were communist (most communists were always upper class - except in urban Scotland).

When I was a socialist in the 1970s, I used to be frustrated by this, because I regarded socialism as rooted in British dissenting utopian radicals (including nonconformist Christians and trades unionists) including the likes of Cobbett, William Morris, and RH Tawney. I found the pro-communist thing foreign, top-down and totalitarian - and evil.

(When I lived in Scotland for periods in the 1980s and 90s, I found that the pro-Soviet sentiment was strong there, among Labour Party rank-and-file; and the collapse of communism caused considerable distress - to my amazement.)

The current ruling class anti-Russian sentiment seems rooted partly in the fact that they are Not communists; but more so in the massive Christian revival since the collapse of communism and after 70 years during which uncounted (but *tens of millions*) of bishops, priests, monks, nuns and devout lay-Christians were killed - plus horrible repressions of many other kinds.

Before 1917; Russia was the most devoutly Christian country in the world; and for the atheist Bolsheviks to take-over and control Russia required truly colossal violence and terror. Yet even after decades of this, and amazingly; the Orthodox church burst forth when it got the chance.

In sum, I think that the current Western ruling class loathing of Russia is primarily anti-Christian, specifically anti-Orthodox (which is *nationally* organized) - and against what Orthodox Christianity entails in terms of a culture with traditional values embedded in a coherent, motivated, strong socio-political organization; where state and church are intertwined and harmonious in relationships (ideally being headed by a 'Tsar' anointed by the Patriarch - on the Byzantine model).

Such a nation is almost the opposite of what the globalist totalitarians want to impose on the world. Therefore, I think this is the main cause of the current demonization of Russia.

Spiritually; it is because Western rulers live by inverted-values (i.e. they serve demonic evil) - therefore the better (more Good-striving) Russia becomes, the more it is hated.

i.e. (from the inverted-perspective of the globalist totalitarians) Russia and Putin are hated insofar as Russia and Putin are Good, Good-striving, and becoming more Good.

Russia and its leader are not hated for their (many, inevitable) faults, but for their virtues.

[Rizotto]

https://www.rt.com/russia/572625-rus...s-nord-stream/

8 March, 2023

New Nord Stream reports look like 'coordinated hoax' – Moscow
The Kremlin believes that claims of Ukrainian involvement are an attempt to deflect attention

Western media reports which exonorate NATO state actors from involvement in the explosions that ruptured the Nord Stream 1 and 2 gas pipelines have the hallmarks of a synchronized misinformation campaign, the Kremlin told journalists on Wednesday.

Press Secretary Dmitry Peskov said it looked like an attempt to deflect attention from the real culprits. The anonymously sourced reports emerged just a few days after German Chancellor Olaf Scholz visted Washington, where he met with US President Joe Biden, and other officials.

On Tuesday, the New York Times reported, citing US officials and unspecified new intelligence, that a “pro-Ukrainian group” may have been behind the September attack on the pipelines, which connected Russia and Germany under the Baltic Sea. The outlet’s unnamed sources also claimed that “no American or British nationals were involved” in the incident.

On the same day, Germany state broadcaster ARD, SWR radio and Die Zeit newspaper claimed that German investigators looking into the incident had found that the yacht reportedly used in the attack belonged to a Polish-based company owned by two Ukrainians.

Last month, veteran US journalist Seymour Hersh published an investigation which laid the blame on Washington for orchestrating the attacks on the infrastructure, which connects Russia to Germany. The White House has denied responsibility, calling the allegations “utterly false and complete fiction.”

Speaking to RIA Novosti, Peskov said he was surprised by the fact that the US officials quoted in the reports could make guesses about the blasts without conducting any investigation.
The Kremlin spokesman also noted that Russia had still not been invited to take part in the investigation.

“This is not just strange. It smells like a monstrous crime. At least, the shareholder countries of the pipelines and the UN should demand an urgent transparent investigation, which would involve all parties that could shed light [on the incident],” he said.

Russia’s embassy to the US also commented on the NYT article, with Minister-Counselor Andrey Ledenev saying Moscow perceived the anonymous leaks “as nothing more than an attempt to confuse those who are sincerely trying to get to the bottom of things in this egregious crime.”

He noted that the NYT story “instantly got a ‘green light’ in the local information field.” The diplomat said this development was “especially noteworthy” given the attempts by local officials and journalists to “blatantly silence” the bombshell report released by the Pulitzer Prize winner Hersh.

[grapevine]

Tobias Ellwood "7 point plan"

https://cdn.jwplayer.com/previews/CvpkQeuK



Apologies: cannot embed this video - MOD note from Tintin: now embedded

Back in January 2023, Conservative MP Tobias Ellwood laid out a seven-point plan in the House of Commons to end the Ukraine war. Mr Ellwood, who was adamant he needs to be listened to, presented a "strategy to conclude the conflict" before the end of 2023. He said the UK needs to "list the Russian state-sponsored Wagner military group as a terrorist organisation", as well as directly impose sanctions on President Vladimir Putin. He has also stated that we should never have left Afghanistan.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...mir-putin-news

Oliver Tobias  gave mouth-to-mouth and CPR to the police constable who died in the grounds at Parliament during the 2017 Terror Attack, so was regarded (by me anyway) as a hero, up until now. He also served in Ireland and Bosia, which were tough postings, so you'd think out-and-out war would be the last thing anyone with his experience would want.

But what I really don't understand is that while these conflicts are going on between the major powers, they are all still nevertheless united 100% in their plans for the One World Order Digital ID, which makes the war seem a complete farce. 

[grapevine]

Thanks Tintin 👍🏻

[Bill Ryan]

There's been a major new Russian missile onslaught on Ukraine that lasted five or six hours. Tu-95 heavy bombers were in the air (but likely to launch missiles, not to drop gravity bombs), and a number of Kinzhal hypersonic missiles were deployed. Here's just one of many reports coming in:

https://t.me/intelslava/45636

[Bill Ryan]

This is something we don't often see or hear... a Ukrainian soldier utterly broken and in tears.

The magnitude of the daily slaughter is something I think no civilian can imagine.



https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/21683

[ExomatrixTV]

• Ursula Von Der Leyen (President of the European Commission) Raises Eyebrows With Statement About Ukraine

The EU will never accept that its security is threatened by Russia, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said during a speech in the Canadian parliament on Tuesday. In her speech, the EU boss called for "unwavering military and economic support" for Ukraine. She emphasized that Canada has made an important contribution to Ukraine's army capacity through years of military training. Canada had already started training Ukrainian soldiers in 2014. That year, a US-backed coup was staged in the country.

• Like I've been saying since the beginning

Von der Leyen visited a Canadian army base with Canadian Prime Minister Trudeau. At a joint press conference, she said Canada has been training Ukrainian soldiers since 2015. The statement raises eyebrows. “Show how they have been planning this war since the CIA engineered coup in Ukraine in 2014,” someone tweeted. To which FVD leader Thierry Baudet says: “As I have been saying since the beginning.”

• Can these two facts be linked?

FVD party employee Floris van der Knoop writes: “I shudder at that woman.” Forum for Democracy International, the international arm of the party, points out that the grandfather of the current Canadian deputy prime minister was a Nazi collaborator . Canada has been training Ukrainian soldiers, including Nazis, since 2015. “Can these two facts be linked?” Earlier, Von der Leyen let slip that more than 100,000 Ukrainian soldiers have already been killed.

• dutch 🇳🇱 (+ Multi-Language Options). 🦜🦋🌳

[Helvetic]

[Gwin Ru]

...

... here is the meat of the 100 year's plan:

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CARE General Updates Channel, [09-Mar-23 14:15] [Kimberly]

Chinese Deep State End Game

This is the reason for the war in Ukraine. This is their plan for Russia.

This is what ALL militaries are working toward whether they know it or not.

THIS IS the planned New World Order and border changes.

China is behind the Russians, China is behind the Ukraine, China is behind the Israeli's, the Syrians, the Americans, China RUNS the US Government in totality at this moment.

The only thing they are missing is MONEY/Monetary CONTROL.

This was a 100 year plan.

The Asian Federation at the helm of all the other Federations.

This will NEVER HAPPEN.

7 world currencies is their plan.

CARE General Updates Channel, [09-Mar-23 14:17] [Kimberly]

We are NOT under a "threat" from China that is not a real statement. Trump was in on it. China has been running American Politics for DECADES.

CARE General Updates Channel, [09-Mar-23 14:22] [Kimberly]

What is Blackwater's (by any other name) Private Military Group's involvement in Ukraine. Did you know they are owned by The Chinese Deep State? They are Americans, but they are FULLY bought and paid for by a Chinese Fund. This article is old, and he DENY's all knowledge of a "training base" but that is a LIE. They grabbed themselves a bunch of arabs and built an ISIS training base in China so the Chinese Deep State could take over the Middle East. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKCN1PQ4FJ

CARE General Updates Channel, [09-Mar-23 14:32] [Kimberly]

I KNOW people are focused on this politician or that politician be it in America or New Zealand and all parts in between. It doesn't matter as the Order CONTROLS every order, every bill, every law and they decided the Chinese section of the Order would be next after the Americans. Therefore you may see someone "running your country" but what you are hearing/seeing is a bunch of Asian Deep state narratives.

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... so, take 1919, ad a century to it and... what does one get?

[grapevine]

Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)

• Like I've been saying since the beginning

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What 30,000 troops is Von der Leyen talking about? Ukrainians/EU nationals? Last we heard untrained recruits (some as young as 14) were being sent straight to the front where life expectancy is 4 hours, so some 'improvement' at least, if you can call it that. Also why has Trudeau had been training Ukrainian soldiers since 2015?

[ExomatrixTV]