Spiritual poison

[Matthew]

I've taken poison, but relax; not physical poison. I've found myself spiritually poisoned and wonder who poisoned me? But that can't be right, because it's me who is to blame, e.g. how can I fix this unless I understand my part getting poisoned?

I started with no patience and now I have little patience. I resent friends who don't see the truth (the medical abuse, party politics sham, etc) like I see it, and think of them to blame for compliance, encouraging their our abusers.

Friends who I thought saw more truth, but it turned out they don't, are double disappointing... I hate them the most. If they listen to the mainstream, and are plugged into the mainstream, then they seem to regress even if I thought they were getting somewhere.

I can forgive more easily if I don't hear the stuff that comes out of their mouth. But that's avoidance which is a conflict resolution strategy I use because it's easy and requires almost no courage. But it's not always practical, comfortable or fair. I don't think this is the best way to fight the venom?

Those are my symptoms. I feel like I got spiritually poisoned. I've got to fight the toxins. How do I stop hating people? Where's the off-switch

It comes and goes, but this isn't getting easier. Words of comradery, pity, accusation or advice or anything else, all very welcome; please come and judge me

[Bill Ryan]

This thread may be partially related to the problem:

• Breaking it gently: how do I inform the uninformed about what is really happening?

And maybe:

• Reconnecting with alienated friends and family

[Matthew]

Appreciated Bill, I'll re-read them. Quick look there is loads of comradery there

There's a next level to this poison which is the hurt we can cause by telling people the truth. That's the worst aspect. I have visualised how I could convince people but the only sure-fire way to get them to see would be by truth-bombing. Everything else doesn't seem to work. However, that's next level poison activation on a spiritual level; it's out of anger not love, and would traumatise them. I would characterise it as 'violent'. I can't do that, because it feels like what's the gain for the trauma? The best I feel I can do is share that x other person has also just had open heart surgery last week too, and hope they think that's odd. I've been following a gentle spirit, and the gentle spirit tells me to be gentle.

So I feel I can live with my spiritual poisoning, but I have to make sure I don't make it worse by making someone afraid. We haven't just been socially poisoned. Spiritually this is a minefield.

[Bill Ryan]

Yesterday Bruce Charlton offered this list of issues which have the interesting correlation that someone who advocates for one or two of them will very probably advocate for them all. And it's far from an exclusive list!

Posted by Bruce G Charlton (here)

It only takes One of these to lead, incrementally, to support of the globalist totalitarian agenda who have bureaucratically (and by the mass media) co-opted and infiltrated essentially All of the major institutions of the world - including all the major Western churches (as became undeniable from church behaviour during the recent covid/ vax business).

I call these the Litmus Test issues, and there are about half a dozen of them currently active (in no particular order):

1. Anti-Russian/ Chinese hatred via the Ukraine war
2. The covid plandemic and vax - "healthism" in general
3. Antiracism/ anti-whiteism
4. The sexual revolution - including pro-promiscuity, pro-feminism, pro-homosexuality and the transagenda
5. Transhumanism - the technological 'superceding' and replacement of human beings
6. CO2 Global Warmism/ Climate Change/ modern environmentalism
7. Socialism based on class - now much reduced compared with a century ago, but this has been subsumed into the Diversity/ Inclusion/ Equality agenda

Here's a meme to support that.



I addressed some of this in the opening post of my thread I think there's blanket Mind Control in operation. If this is the case (and I do believe it is), it's those people who have been spiritually poisoned. Not yourself.

The further problem is that because there's some kind of influence upon them that (whatever it may be) is not rational, it's very hard to change anyone's mind about issues that become rigid beliefs — ideologies held with a near-religious fervour upon which their very sense of self sometimes depends.

My own stance about this is only to talk or write about things to those affected people which I feel they might be able to consider. That differs a lot between people, so each person needs a different strategy... and with some people (if one chooses to keep them as friends!) one just has to avoid quite a wide range of topics.

[DeDukshyn]

 

Spiritual growth is funny thing ...

As soon as you make progress, the challenges to maintain the state you acquired get stronger and stronger, which makes it feel like you are going around and around getting nowhere, ad infinitum. This continues, not for you to over come some "ultimate challenge" and win ... but until you get sick of going around on that carousel and come to the revelation that there is nothing to win; its about achieving being in a state where you no longer interpret your experiences as being faced with "challenges" (negatives, judgements, problems, etc).

Another way of looking at it is that until you learn to see God in everything, absolutely everything, you are still on that carousel.

[wondering]

Well said, DeDukshyn, IMO!

[Ewan]

Posted by Matthew (here)

There's a next level to this poison which is the hurt we can cause by telling people the truth. That's the worst aspect. I have visualised how I could convince people but the only sure-fire way to get them to see would be by truth-bombing. Everything else doesn't seem to work. However, that's next level poison activation on a spiritual level; it's out of anger not love, and would traumatise them. I would characterise it as 'violent'. I can't do that, because it feels like what's the gain for the trauma? The best I feel I can do is share that x other person has also just had open heart surgery last week too, and hope they think that's odd. I've been following a gentle spirit, and the gentle spirit tells me to be gentle.

Matthew, the day I met you I saw a gentle accomodating being, alway open and amenable. From the quoted text above I see you in, understadable, turmoil; if I may share from my own perspective I'll mention my own take on what you have said here?

get them to see would be by truth-bombing.

Almost guaranteed to alienate them further if not provoke outright anger and severance of all communication. Few people are equipped to deal with the naked truth
(You already understand this.) =

it's out of anger not love, and would traumatise them.

Gentle is the way to go, ALWAYS. All you can do is offer signposts, quietly, patiently.

You may be several lifetimes of experience ahead of your friend. It is why Jesus spoke of "Let those who have ears, those who have eyes etc. etc.. People are receptive when they are ready to be. And I know it hurts like hell to feel you cannot help, but if the reception is not open to receive you can do naught but be patient.

Sadly, as much as we would like to be able to help, sometimes people are not ready to be helped. We just have to accept it and move along. This is the burden of higher awareness, expanding conciousness.
(I'm still on the first rung of the ladder I think.)
((Jeez, the pain still to come!!))

PS: Forget the poison, it is the struggle of learning when to leave well alone.


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Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
 

Spiritual growth is funny thing ...

As soon as you make progress, the challenges to maintain the state you acquired get stronger and stronger, which makes it feel like you are going around and around getting nowhere, ad infinitum. This continues, not for you to over come some "ultimate challenge" and win ... but until you get sick of going around on that carousel and come to the revelation that there is nothing to win; its about achieving being in a state where you no longer interpret your experiences as being faced with "challenges".

Another way of looking at it is that until you learn to see God in everything, absolutely everything, you are still on that carousel.

Beautifully spoke!

[Matthew]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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I addressed some of this in the opening post of my thread I think there's blanket Mind Control in operation. If this is the case (and I do believe it is), it's those people who have been spiritually poisoned. Not yourself.

The further problem is that because there's some kind of influence upon them that (whatever it may be) is not rational, it's very hard to change anyone's mind about issues that become rigid beliefs — ideologies held with a near-religious fervour upon which their very sense of self sometimes depends.

The lines between MK Ultra and witchcraft are a social trick of the light. It's MK Ultra witchcraft isn't it? They love poison as a tactic. But acted on a global scale. My pagan friends acting in good faith wouldn't agree unless they read and trusted Cathy O'Brien's books. But that's a tough pill to swallow, I got through half of one, but I didn't doubt it.

My own stance about this is only to talk or write about things to those affected people which I feel they might be able to consider. That differs a lot between people, so each person needs a different strategy... and with some people (if one chooses to keep them as friends!) one just has to avoid quite a wide range of topics.

...which is a gentle spirit, and the common theme so far in the thread. Thank you Bill, Ewan, DeDukshyn, wondering, and everyone else: 🙏🙏🙏 the spiritual food for thought I need. Please keep it coming yourselves and anyone if the spirit moves you.

[Mercedes]

Hello Matthew, I feel the pain in you, it's mine also. I try not to be aware of it too much but it's there all the time, I miss the days when my heart didn't sink to the floor every time I looked at the world around me and see so many blissfully ignorant and unaware people. I deal with it day to day. Once in awhile I give myself permission to jump out of my calm state and say things that might startle them. They might react or they just ignore me. Most of the time they smile and go on as if nothing. Ha, ha. I am still in the process of acknowledging that maybe they will never get there, and I say "Ok, it's not their journey, let it be" My daughters are my hope, and some of the young family members, but the rest is just sad. Don't feel responsable for their journey, it's theirs. I don't know why I even got here, I know how, it was my brother who got me started on Camelot videos, and for that I am forever thankful, but just a few years back from that I started to question many things, late bloomer that I am, I was in my 50's and since then it's been a hell of a ride. Don't despair Matthew, just be there when they have the first sign of awakening, if they ever do. Pace yourself. A big hug

[Harmony]

Matthew I really like reading your posts, they seem so genuine and you share your vulnerable side with such openness.
Everything the other members have posted above is just right on. We are all hurting I think because it can make us feel kind of like we are in one of those nightmares where you try and run and you can't move no matter how hard you try. We want to make a difference, try so hard and sometimes it seems little change has taken place, even with cold hard evidence, to change the opinions of others we care about.

I do think that we have made a difference to many that we may never know and certainly the support of others in our same position has helped everyone to hold the line, stay strong inside, take each day as it comes the best way we know how. Keep praying, keep our inner trust strong and know there are many more like your wonderful self right along side of you. I just waatched the Avatar movie "The way of water" so I will say "I SEE YOU"

[shaberon]

Posted by Matthew (here)
I can forgive more easily if I don't hear the stuff that comes out of their mouth. But that's avoidance which is a conflict resolution strategy I use because it's easy and requires almost no courage. But it's not always practical, comfortable or fair. I don't think this is the best way to fight the venom?

Those are my symptoms. I feel like I got spiritually poisoned. I've got to fight the toxins. How do I stop hating people? Where's the off-switch

The easiest thing to do is assume everyone believes in garbage, and act pleasantly surprised if there is an instance of anything else.


If garbage is actually bad for you because it is false, pity the fools.

If that is a spiritual case then it is more sad than it is angry isn't it?

Either way it is a difficult place to be. I would like to quote Shantideva on this:


Because of you, I am going to purify countless worlds.

Because of me, you are going to go to hell and endure endless agonies.



That is pretty close to what I would call "actual working conditions" on this planet. It doesn't change much.

Besides, I believed in "the system" as a child, for a while, I guess. So I am partly guilty as well, and I certainly give taxes to it and have done nothing to stop it, so, what is the use of my knowledge?


Last week I read a large article on mostly American bands. It was a collection of political quotes. It is correct that a lot of punk bands like Minor Threat have someone whose parent was some well-to-do government employee, and so for one thing this is not the same as the English Skinheads who were a working class movement during economic bleakness.

The premise behind the article was "control".

Of course a lot of bands have a pretty straight Antifa message, and at some point, there is involvement.

Does a musician really "control" anything by having this or that thought about some issue? I don't think so.

By going over a large number of them, it is apparent they are not particularly well-informed. I personally do not listen to most of the people who were quoted, but it still seems pretty clear that just because I might like someone's music, does not mean, I would get along or agree with them any better than any of the other button-pushing discussions we are talking about.


I am going to disagree and perhaps strongly with nearly everyone I see, so, I try to mitigate the fallout.

If most musicians are relatively ignorant, but, interesting enough to have their interviews and internet posts remembered, most people are similar but less noticeable. I generally shift the blame towards the source, i. e. social engineering, which has intentionally suppressed some information, and planted a lot more that is not real. They like to scare you with Antifa so you will become a Fascist. It is almost impossible to consider the typical person extracting themselves from this mire.

With intellectual issues, I re-direct the force against the actual reasons the person was made a victim of such trickery. Consider the level of intentionality here. The culprit does all they can to insure they have willing accomplices. To not be a hypocrite, I have to allow anyone to believe whatever they want. Usually, it is garbage, since that was all that was offered them.

[pueblo]

Matthew, forgive the idiots, they know not what they do!

[Bruce G Charlton]

I would emphasize that our primary responsibility is to those with whom we have a loving relationship; not 'people' in abstract and in general.

Also, that there is no system or flow-chart for how to help people; not least because that is exactly the kind of thing that evil has coopted and deployed.

You cannot use the One Ring to fight Sauron without becoming as-bad-as Sauron!

Therefore, the good that we do will arise from particular relationships and circumstances with particular people - and our job is to be alert for these 'moments' and intuitively attuned to what ought to be done at that moment.

... At least, that is the ideal I strive for; but seldom achieve.

[mizo]

Posted by Matthew (here)
I've taken poison, but relax; not physical poison. please come and judge me :cocktail:

Well I'm looking forward to meeting you Matthew the next time I'm travelling down south. What I've read from your fantastic and insightful contribution - you're a kindred spirit to all on here!

[Anchor]

Posted by Matthew (here)
please come and judge me

No!

But, it does cut to the root of the problem. You are judging yourself quite harshly. Maybe back off a little and try and widen your perspective. Unless you have reached a level that would make your opening post a huge cosmic troll, you are still an individual among others - as confused and veiled as the rest of us.

Forgiveness of the self and others is a necessary kindness that is required to apply the brakes to the wheels of karma.

For the physiological symptoms - I recommend breathing.

[Phoenix1304]

The only thing I would add to the lovely responses you’ve already had is that this has been a very intense equinox period with planetary alignments that only happen every 160 something years and one astrologer I enjoy, Kaypacha on YouTube, perfectly described the frustrations and realisations likely to be encountered during these times. I unclenched my jaw a little listening to him last week. Poison, is an interesting way of putting it, but I recognise the battle to stay in a loving space and have been feeling the same kind of ‘out of patience’ vibes. Hate and anger directed at the perpetrators of evil has been overwhelming me at times but towards ordinary folk I just feel pity and sadness. It’s not their fault. They’ve been, and continue to be, bamboozled. Have mercy.

Tommorrow, should see the energies lightening up a bit and a new dawn beginning, focus on the good stuff that’s happening, and that you want to happen, and let the light shine away the dark thoughts, because I’m sure we both know we’re feeding the wrong wolf with them.

I’ll DM you and maybe arrange a meet up for coffee and commiseration, it would be a rare treat for me to have a conversation with someone that isn’t hypnotised.

[Losus4]

Posted by Matthew (here)
I've taken poison, but relax; not physical poison. I've found myself spiritually poisoned and wonder who poisoned me? But that can't be right, because it's me who is to blame, e.g. how can I fix this unless I understand my part getting poisoned?

I started with no patience and now I have little patience. I resent friends who don't see the truth (the medical abuse, party politics sham, etc) like I see it, and think of them to blame for compliance, encouraging their our abusers.

Friends who I thought saw more truth, but it turned out they don't, are double disappointing... I hate them the most. If they listen to the mainstream, and are plugged into the mainstream, then they seem to regress even if I thought they were getting somewhere.

I can forgive more easily if I don't hear the stuff that comes out of their mouth. But that's avoidance which is a conflict resolution strategy I use because it's easy and requires almost no courage. But it's not always practical, comfortable or fair. I don't think this is the best way to fight the venom?

Those are my symptoms. I feel like I got spiritually poisoned. I've got to fight the toxins. How do I stop hating people? Where's the off-switch

It comes and goes, but this isn't getting easier. Words of comradery, pity, accusation or advice or anything else, all very welcome; please come and judge me

Why do new agers have a tendency to wrap up ordinary, mundane problems into some kind of spiritual crisis? "Spiritual poison?" That used to be called having a bad day. Solutions: get off the computer, go for a walk in nature, clean up your diet, exercise a little. Minimise screen time and/or use of internet porn (if applicable) and just like that, you'll feel better. Solutions to one's problem generally arise when bored, but due to constant internet use, we have created a means in which we are never bored, and thus, are never clear minded. Getting off the internet and simply being bored, will create the right mental environment where creative solutions to problems can manifest.

[Violet3]

Bruce Charlton, hello and I agree with you. Thanks for the discussion Matthew.
I would add that in my opinion the criminal activity and evil around us has become so blatantly obvious that it must be an effort to ignore it now. So those who seem to not see it just don't want to see it, or have become too deeply entrapped in the mind-control to explore or tolerate a different perspective. So I don't try to get people to see what I see, but put my energy towards ordinary helping with the daily human dilemmas I come across in my work, and keeping myself clear, intact and afloat in all the wider insanity. I feel less frustrated with the inattention all around and more isolated as time goes on, given the number of people I sadly can't talk to about a lot of things. I feel grateful that I have a partner and one close friend I can talk to honestly, and that there are people on Project Avalon who support honest conversation.

[Phoenix1304]

Posted by Losus4 (here)

Posted by Matthew (here)
I've taken poison, but relax; not physical poison. I've found myself spiritually poisoned and wonder who poisoned me? But that can't be right, because it's me who is to blame, e.g. how can I fix this unless I understand my part getting poisoned?

I started with no patience and now I have little patience. I resent friends who don't see the truth (the medical abuse, party politics sham, etc) like I see it, and think of them to blame for compliance, encouraging their our abusers.

Friends who I thought saw more truth, but it turned out they don't, are double disappointing... I hate them the most. If they listen to the mainstream, and are plugged into the mainstream, then they seem to regress even if I thought they were getting somewhere.

I can forgive more easily if I don't hear the stuff that comes out of their mouth. But that's avoidance which is a conflict resolution strategy I use because it's easy and requires almost no courage. But it's not always practical, comfortable or fair. I don't think this is the best way to fight the venom?

Those are my symptoms. I feel like I got spiritually poisoned. I've got to fight the toxins. How do I stop hating people? Where's the off-switch

It comes and goes, but this isn't getting easier. Words of comradery, pity, accusation or advice or anything else, all very welcome; please come and judge me

Why do new agers have a tendency to wrap up ordinary, mundane problems into some kind of spiritual crisis? "Spiritual poison?" That used to be called having a bad day. Solutions: get off the computer, go for a walk in nature, clean up your diet, exercise a little. Minimise screen time and/or use of internet porn (if applicable) and just like that, you'll feel better. Solutions to one's problem generally arise when bored, but due to constant internet use, we have created a means in which we are never bored, and thus, are never clear minded. Getting off the internet and simply being bored, will create the right mental environment where creative solutions to problems can manifest.

It is curious that you open your post with a passive/aggressive dig at ‘new agers’. It might tell me more about you than new agers actually. Spirituality is not a dirty word and feeling one’s heart and soul poisoned is not just having a bad day.

Your solutions to having a bad day however are bang on. Especially the advice to avoid porn. I have no idea how many Avalonians indulge in that kind of voyeurism, but I am of the opinion that it’s normalisation is the fundamental rot in our society and it should be consigned back to hidden, dark, smutty, dusty dens, where it belongs, for the incorrigible alone. It has turned the West into nations full of sad and angry (and spiritually poisoned) wankers with little hope of successful real life healthy sexual relationships. As intended, no doubt.

I’m happy to take on all comers (no pun intended) on that subject, another elephant in the room when we wonder what’s happened to our ‘civilisation’.

[Johnnycomelately]

I agree with the above comment by Losus4.

IMO this thread is intended to encourage us to be dripping with self pity. Tears. I don’t think that that practice is healthy.

I suggest to re-theme it, rename it something like “Let’s Deal With Spirit Challenges”.

I think most people don’t know what might be going on, when they have “a bad day”. I say we attract what we are, and should take the mindset of taking responsibility for what that shows us. Peace, y’all.