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    Quote Posted by Johnnycomelately (here)
    I agree with the above comment by Losus4.

    IMO this thread is intended to encourage us to be dripping with self pity. Tears. I don’t think that that practice is healthy.

    I suggest to re-theme it, rename it something like “Let’s Deal With Spirit Challenges”.

    I think most people don’t know what might be going on, when they have “a bad day”. I say we attract what we are, and should take the mindset of taking responsibility for what that shows us. Peace, y’all.
    You're welcome to start your own thread

    Not sure I would agree this is just 'a bad day' but I'm taking all food for thought so I accept the criticism in good faith.

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    Default Re: Spiritual poison

    seems to be a mental/emotional issue, the cure being connection to our inviolate spirit.
    easier said than done when we are swimming in a sea of maya

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    Quote Posted by Losus4 (here)
    ...Solutions: get off the computer, go for a walk in nature, clean up your diet, exercise a little. Minimise screen time and/or use of internet porn (if applicable) and just like that, you'll feel better. Solutions to one's problem generally arise when bored, but due to constant internet use, we have created a means in which we are never bored, and thus, are never clear minded. Getting off the internet and simply being bored, will create the right mental environment where creative solutions to problems can manifest.

    Avoidance works , and I appreciate the advice. Now you mention it I think there's simple wisdom in switching off the computer and spending time in the forest thank you.

    Do you mean internet porn or internet fear porn? I'll assume the latter but please correct me if I'm wrong. To avoid 'fear porn' I simply need to switch off alternative news and switch to mainstream news. That level of avoidance defeats the object, but I'm not discounting it.

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    Quote Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
     

    Spiritual growth is funny thing ...

    As soon as you make progress, the challenges to maintain the state you acquired get stronger and stronger, which makes it feel like you are going around and around getting nowhere, ad infinitum. This continues, not for you to over come some "ultimate challenge" and win ... but until you get sick of going around on that carousel and come to the revelation that there is nothing to win; its about achieving being in a state where you no longer interpret your experiences as being faced with "challenges" (negatives, judgements, problems, etc).

    Another way of looking at it is that until you learn to see God in everything, absolutely everything, you are still on that carousel.
    I was going to say something along these lines but you have said it a most lovely and concise way, DeDukshyn.

    I want to add Matthew, I don't see what you describe as "Spiritual poison", I see it as profound spiritual growth. It can look and feel ugly, and it can bring you to the point of feeling broken. In fact, it is a breaking process. It is the breaking of the delusions and illusions we hold. We have been given the opportunity to see what we may once have thought assets as sometimes being cowardice or other unpleasant defects. You gave the personal example of "taking the easy way out" by avoiding conflict. You recognized that at times it is a form of cowardice. That is a huge one for me. It has in many ways made my life "easier" by avoiding conflict, that at times might have been the higher ground. I wrapped myself in the warm delusion of what I have been told, that I am nice.Being considered nice makes the world easier to live in sometimes. Now, that is true at times that my motives come from kindness but sometimes it is sheer laziness, and cowardliness and sometimes fear.

    In the past couple years I have had one delusion after another shattered. I have felt there is really nothing left. Nothing of the ideas I had about myself and who and what I was, good or bad. That is not true of course I am not done with this process, more keeps popping up. But just exactly as DeDukshyn says, those lessons will continue to manifest until you learn the lesson. Many go their whole lives and don't understand how it works and repeat the same lessons over and over and over. An example being repeated destructive relationships. I have seen and done this many times, until the lesson is learned it will be be repeated.

    As far as setting anyone else straight on their delusions, I don't think it works that way, at least not forcing it. I do wonder if there are people that are plugged into this reality (given a factory setting so to speak) and don't have the ability to challenge any of the programming. It is simply not possible.

    In a weird way what's happening to you is a huge blessing. You are getting slammed with this lesson and you have the wisdom to see it is about you. At the spiritual level it is always about you.
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    Default Re: Spiritual poison

    Quote Posted by Matthew (here)
    Quote Posted by Losus4 (here)
    ...Solutions: get off the computer, go for a walk in nature, clean up your diet, exercise a little. Minimise screen time and/or use of internet porn (if applicable) and just like that, you'll feel better. Solutions to one's problem generally arise when bored, but due to constant internet use, we have created a means in which we are never bored, and thus, are never clear minded. Getting off the internet and simply being bored, will create the right mental environment where creative solutions to problems can manifest.

    Avoidance works , and I appreciate the advice. Now you mention it I think there's simple wisdom in switching off the computer and spending time in the forest thank you.

    Do you mean internet porn or internet fear porn? I'll assume the latter but please correct me if I'm wrong. To avoid 'fear porn' I simply need to switch off alternative news and switch to mainstream news. That level of avoidance defeats the object, but I'm not discounting it.
    Both internet porn and internet in general have the same effect of the brain's reward pathways that overstimualtes them to the point that ordinary activities seem dull by comparison. Hence the general malaise among the populace, as nearly everyone's a net addict nowadays.

    "I simply need to switch off alternative news and switch to mainstream news."

    I think avoiding all stimulation is preferable over switching one form for another. For that I would advise a K-safe. Check for them on Amazon. They are little boxes you can put your vices in (in this case the internet or phone), and set a timer from between 10 minutes up to 10 days. Outside of smashing the box with a hammer, there is no way of opening them. Locking away your vice rather than choosing not to use them (knowing that you could at any time) will eliminate the mental struggle that comes with using just willpower to just avoid a distraction. Once your distractions are out of the way, you will find yourself feeling much more balanced and clear headed.

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    Please correct me if I am wrong; but I don't think this thread is about psychology, having a bad day, or internet use.

    It's really about the ability to communicate with others that are stuck on the narratives of the mainstream and the draining of one's psych when engaging in this often disagreeable discourse.

    Avoiding topics of politics, religion, territory, or media is usually considered to be sound advice; unless of course your intent is to be persuasive [which will usually fail with friends or family.]. In this case, sound advice looks like picking your battles more wisely.

    I do not think it to be a question of courage. If your friends and family insist on your opinion; knowing they will disagree - it is really up to them to measure the toxicity. I would recognize the best change occurs personally and not through persuasion. A personal effort is therefore a courageous effort.

    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain

    I would also like to point out that the original post takes personal responsibility.
    Let everything happen to you - Beauty and terror - Just keep going - No feeling is final. - Rainer M. Rilke

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    I think that another thing that is brought to mind is that what others do doesn't just end up being just their business. It is all integrataed and others bad health or dying affects a whole family, and eventually affects the community.


    Seeing your friends die and have heart attacks or suddenly coming down with cancer affects a person on many levels. Having a social code forced on people, loss of privacy, or eventually the possibility of not being able to access your own bank account etc. is going to affect everyone. It isn't as easy as saying, if you eat too much or have a bad diet it only affects the person making that decision (and their family too to some extent), but what is happening now is so extrordinary and has such far reaching consequences that you really can not just put it aside and forget about it because it's reaching out into so many parts of people's lives on a daily basis, not just on the internet. You can't, unfortunately, just switch it off and it will go away.


    Our lives are changed, and are continuing to change, some are facing the front line of it right now more than others. Feeling and caring about what we are seeing is very natural, and it is hard to know how to come to terms with that and the unfolding events that are possibly coming. Our spiritual strength will be very important and our connections with others as well.

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    Our connection with others can be good and bad at the same time.

    Think of a roped together team on a sheer rock face. That's not too unlike the situation we are in.

    The team have always practiced the method of being roped together. It's a good idea, and ticks all the boxes except one.

    The unticked box is that they have not got a rope to a solid point at the top.

    If one team member slips and falls, the rest of the team will have to cut him loose or they'll all go down. That's the brutality of only being tied together as a group.

    If there's a rope all the way to the top, they don't have to cut anyone loose. They can all hold on and scramble back into shape.
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    There are many potential threads I could have posted this article on, but I kept coming back to this one as being the best place for it. So here it is:

    REALITY TUNNELS: HOW TO CONTROL & RE-PROGRAM YOUR MIND



    Jack Fox-Williams, New Dawn
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    March 21, 2023


    Quote When I was in secondary school, a teacher showed me an animated optical illusion in which a dancer appears to be spinning in one direction. I was adamant that the dancer was spinning clockwise, while my teacher insisted it was spinning counterclockwise. She then told me that you could change the direction of the dancer by focusing on the feet. I gazed with meditative fixation, and suddenly, to my amazement, the dancer started spinning counterclockwise! My teacher explained that since there are no visual cues for three-dimensional depth, your mind can determine what direction the dancer spins.

    At that moment, I realised that reality is a construct of the mind, and we all potentially see the same world differently. I may have put it in less eloquent terms than that (considering I was only a teenager), but there was a fundamental shift in my understanding. The illusion made me realise that the notion of ‘objective truth’ was essentially arbitrary since our subjective beliefs mediate sensory experience.

    My teacher and I could have argued for hours, days or weeks as to which direction the dancer was spinning; science couldn’t have proven either of us correct since it was a matter of perception rather than ‘truth’. In ‘reality’, the dancer was spinning in both directions, but since the brain has a natural tendency to classify, categorise and catalogue information in binary terms (up/down, left/right, black/white, clockwise/counterclockwise), the animated optical illusion appears monodirectional.

    There are numerous examples of this in our day-to-day lives, like when we fail to appreciate other people’s viewpoints because we perceive the world differently. We believe we are right despite the multiple (if not infinite) interpretations about the nature of reality.

    What are Reality Tunnels?

    The countercultural guru Timothy Leary coined the term ‘reality-tunnel’ to describe our filtered perceptions of the world. Robert Anton Wilson later developed the concept to describe “pre-composed patterns of thinking which limit and distort the perception of reality by reducing complexity and options.”1 According to Wilson, reality-tunnels shape our phenomenological sense of self, editing out experiences that do not support our beliefs while focusing on those which do.2

    An advocate for capitalism, for example, will gather facts to support the view that capitalism is the most effective socioeconomic model, discarding any information that runs contrary to this viewpoint. Similarly, a Marxist will construct arguments based on select information to support the view that communism is the best system, often neglecting evidence that contradicts their position.


    Robert Anton Wilson (1932–2007) with Timothy Leary (1920–1996)

    Quote As the psychedelic scholar Ido Hartogsohn states, “all of us harbour established ideas about minorities, religions, nationalities, the sexes, the right ways to think, act, feel govern, eat, drink, and what not. Reality tunnels act to help us fortify these ideas against challenging information.”3 In this sense, there is a crossover between the concept of reality-tunnels and confirmation bias, the latter described as the “human tendency to notice and assign significance to observations that confirm existing beliefs while filtering out or rationalising away observations that do not fit with prior beliefs and expectations.”4 The phenomenon of confirmation bias helps explain why people who ascribe to a reality-tunnel are oblivious. Most people believe their worldview corresponds to the “one true objective reality,” however, Wilson emphasises that many reality tunnels are artistic creations, a culmination of biological, cultural and environmental inputs.5

    The notion that reality is shaped by the conditions of the human mind is not new. The 18th-century German philosopher Immanuel Kant proposed in his Critique of Pure Reason that experience is based “on the perception of external objects and a priori knowledge.”6 We receive information about the external world through our five senses, which is then processed by the brain, allowing us to conceptualise its contents. When I look at an object, such as a chair or a table, I have no understanding of its external nature. The qualities that enable me to denote the meaning of the object, such as shape, colour, size etc., have no objective existence; they are merely by-products of the brain.


    Quote The French psychoanalyst and psychiatrist Jacques Lacan proposed his theory distinguishing between ‘The Real’ and the ‘Symbolic’. Lacan argued that ‘The Real’ is the “imminent unified reality which is mediated through symbols that allow it to be parsed into intelligible and differentiated segments.”7 However, the ‘Symbolic’, which is primarily subconscious, is “further abstracted into the imaginary (our actual beliefs and understandings of reality). These two orders ultimately shape how we come to understand reality.”8


    For the above image, do you see a duck or a rabbit? For the image below it, do you see a young woman or an old lady? These famous optical illusions help demonstrate how our sense of the world is mediated through ‘reality-tunnels’

    Quote The Harvard sociologist, Talcott Parsons, uses the word gloss to describe how our minds come to perceive reality. According to Parsons, we are taught how to “put the world” together by others who subscribe to a consensus reality based on shared beliefs, norms and associations.9 A gloss constitutes a total system of language and/or perception. For example, the word ‘house’ is a gloss since we lump together a series of isolated phenomena – floor, ceiling, window, lights, rugs, etc. – and turn it into a totality of meaning.

    The author and anthropologist Carlos Castaneda commented on this notion, stating, “we have to be taught to put the world together in this way. A child reconnoitres the world with few preconceptions until he is taught to see things in a way that corresponds to the descriptions everybody agrees on. The world is an agreement. The system of glossing seems to be somewhat like walking… we learn we are subject to the syntax of language and the mode of perception it contains.”10

    The French philosopher Jacques Derrida stated that our understanding of objects (and the words which denote them) are only understood in relation to how they are contextually related to other objects (and denotive words).11

    We can break free from prescribed reality-tunnels by using objects and language in unusual or disjointed ways, thereby creating new discursive meanings, associations and connotations. This was the aim and outcome of certain art movements such as Dadaism and Surrealism, as well as Brion Gysin and William Burroughs’ cut-up method.12

    The famous ethnobotanist and psychonaut, Terence McKenna, argued that ideology and culture are tools “which give other people control over one’s experience and identity since they lead individuals to shape their identity according to pre-conceived forms. If a person identifies with commercial brands or with popular ideas of what is beautiful, true or important, they give away their power to other people.”13 McKenna once said that you should not see “culture and ideology as your friends,” implying that you should understand reality on your own terms rather than buying into “pre-packaged ideological and cultural ideals” such as communism, capitalism, democracy or some form of totalitarianism.14 Belief in itself, argued McKenna, was “limiting to the individual, because every time you believe in something you are automatically precluded from believing its opposite. By believing something, you are virtually shutting yourself from all contradictory information, thus once again performing the sin of imposing a rigid simplified structure upon an infinitely complex reality.”15

    Much like McKenna, Wilson recommends that a “fully functioning human ought to be aware of their reality tunnel and be able to keep it flexible enough to accommodate and, to some degree, empathise with different ‘game rules’, different cultures.”16 According to Wilson, constructivist thinking, which considers how social and cultural processes determine our perception of the world, constitutes an exercise in metacognition, enabling us to become aware of how reality tunnels are never truly objective, thereby decreasing the “chance that we will confuse our map of the world with the actual world.


    Quote How Your Reality Tunnel Is Formed

    The constraints of human biology partially limit our models of reality. As Wilson states, our DNA “evolved from standard primate DNA and still has a 98% similarity to chimpanzee (and 85% similarity to the DNA of the South American Spider Monkey). We have the same gross anatomy as other primates, the same nervous system and the same sense organs. While our highly developed pre-frontal cortex enables us to perform ‘higher’, more complex mental tasks than other primates, our perceptions remain largely within the primate norm.”18

    The neural apparatus produced by our genetic coding helps create what ethologists call the umwelt, or “world-field.” Birds, reptiles and insects occupy a separate umwelt or reality-tunnel to primates (ourselves, included). For example, bees are able to perceive floral patterns in ultraviolet light, which we cannot (unless certain technologies are utilised). Canine, feline and primate reality-tunnels remain similar enough that friendship and communication can occur between these different species, however, a snake (for example) occupies such a different reality tunnel that their behaviour appears entirely alien.

    As Wilson argues, the belief that human umwelt reveals “reality” or “deep-reality” is as “naïve as the notion that a yardstick shows more reality than a voltmeter or that ‘my religion is better than your religion’. Neurogenetic chauvinism has no more scientific justification than national or sexual chauvinisms.”19 He goes so far as to suggest that “no animal, including the domesticated primate, can smugly assume the world created by its senses and brain equal in all respects the ‘real world’ or the ‘only real world’.”20

    Reality-tunnels are also influenced by “imprint vulnerability,” periods in our lives when early childhood/adolescent experiences “bond neurons into reflex networks which remain for life.”21 The psychological researchers, Lorenz and Tinbergen, won a Nobel Prize in 1973 for their research into imprinting, which demonstrated that “the statistically normal snow-goose imprints its mother, as distinct from any other goose, shortly after birth. This imprint creates a ‘bond’ and the gosling attaches itself to the mother in every possible way.”22 These imprints can be imposed onto literally anything. Lorenz observed a case in which a gosling, in the absence of its mother, imprinted a ping-pong ball. It followed the ping-pong ball around and, on reaching adulthood, “attempted to mount the ball sexually.”23

    Wilson estimates that the age at which we are imprinted with language determines lifelong programs of “cleverness” (verbal intelligence) and “dumbness” (verbal unintelligence), since linguistic models enable us to articulate mental processing, evaluate complex ideas and communicate with those around us.24 Furthermore, how and when our first sexual experiences are imprinted can “determine lifelong programs of heterosexuality, brash promiscuity or monogamy etc.”25 In more obscure imprints, such as celibacy, foot-fetishism and sadomasochism, the “bounded brain circuitry seems quite as mechanical as the imprint which bounded the gosling to the ping-pong ball.”26

    These examples suggest that experiences during childhood, when the brain exhibits optimal ‘neuroplasticity’ (a term used to refer to malleability of neural networks in the brain), can shape our reality tunnels far into adulthood. As Sigmund Freud proposed, many “rational” thoughts and behaviours are typically the result of “repressed” memories, impulses and desires, which dwell in the murky depths of the unconscious mind.27

    Furthermore, reality-tunnels are shaped by social conditioning, the “sociological process of training in a society to respond in a manner generally approved by the society in general and peer groups within society.”28 Manifestations of social conditioning are multifarious but include nationalism, education, employment, entertainment, popular culture, spirituality and family life. Unlike imprinting, which usually requires only one powerful experience to set permanently into the neural networks of the brain, conditioning requires “many repetitions of the same experience and does not set permanently.”29

    The processes of social conditioning vary greatly, depending on the cultural environment to which one is exposed. For example, an individual born in a Muslim country (such as Saudi Arabia) will likely believe in the teachings of the Quran and adhere to certain religious norms, customs and traditions. However, individuals born in a Western capitalist/consumerist country, or an Eastern country with Hindu or Buddhist traditions, will adhere to different cultural and behavioural codes.

    Reality-tunnels are also formed through the process of learning. Much like conditioning, learning requires repetition, but it also requires motivation. Therefore, it plays “less of a role in human perception and belief than genetics and imprinting and even less than conditioning does.”30 Learning marks a major difference between how mammals, reptiles, insects and birds perceive the world. For example, snakes share the same reality tunnel since they merely act on biologically determined reflexes, with only minor imprinted differences. Mammals show “more conditioned and learned differences in their reality tunnels.”31

    Humans demonstrate a higher aptitude for learning due to our highly developed cortex and frontal lobes as well as our prolonged infancy. This variability functions as “the greatest evolutionary strength of the human race” since it enables us to pass down knowledge from one generation to the next. But it also means that we can become brainwashed and label other people who do not share our beliefs as “mad,” “anti-social,” or “blasphemous.” In fact, it could be said that the majority of all wars are the result of two (or more) opposing reality tunnels fighting for supremacy. This is particularly evident in the case of religious conflict, where people kill each other in the name of “God.”


    Quote Tunnel Vision: The Politicisation of Reality

    The rise of “identity politics” in the 21st century perfectly demonstrates how reality-tunnels prevent us from considering alternative perspectives and viewpoints. During the last decade, the political domain has become increasingly polarised as the left and right engage in a battle for cultural supremacy. Such polarisation was apparent in the Brexit referendum of 2016, in which 51.9% of the British public voted to leave the European Union while 48.1% voted to remain.32 The marginal success of the ‘leave’ campaign highlighted the strong division between both sides of the political spectrum. The former stressed the importance of the Union in promoting social and economic stability, while the latter emphasised the importance of national identity, sovereignty and independence.

    The rhetoric employed by both the ‘leave’ and ‘remain’ campaign was so binary in its articulation that neither side engaged in meaningful dialogue; instead, the referendum became a series of baseless slogans, mottos and catchphrases – an advertising campaign designed to appeal to target demographics. The referendum was more about two separate reality-tunnels competing for ideological supremacy than a balanced analysis of benefits and risks.

    The US presidential election of 2016 was a similar drama of competing reality-tunnels, shaped by masterful spin doctors and hidden persuaders who exploited modern advertising techniques to capture specific demographics based on class, age, sex, religion, geographical location and other criteria.

    Donald Trump was well-known for his campaign slogan ‘Make America Great Again’ and other catchphrases that employed a lexicon of patriotism, populism and protectionism to appeal to those on the right. On the other hand, Hillary Clinton used the slogan ‘Stronger Together’ to evoke feelings of unity, compassion, and solidarity. The election became a battle between two contrasting reality-tunnels, grounded in meaningless rhetoric and hyperbole.

    Another example of politicisation is the Covid-19 crisis, with the public divided into two camps – those who supported measures such as lockdowns versus the other side that rejected many of these same measures. Political polarisation demolished a sane balanced approach to the crisis, exacerbated and intensified by the ongoing political divide across the media landscape.

    ‘Echo Chambers’ & Identity Politics

    Social media has fuelled identity politics by enabling groups and movements to generate an online presence and have real-world impacts. According to independent scholar and author Ilaria Bifarini, this results in the emergence of ‘echo chambers’ in which internet users “find information that validates their pre-existing opinions and activates confirmation bias.”33 This mechanism, says Bifarini, “strengthens one’s beliefs and radicalises them, without adding anything to information and knowledge. The result is the ideological extremism that we are observing today and in which we are taking part, where political debates have been replaced by supporters and verbal violence.”34

    Another way this happens, for example, is how Google’s online video sharing and social media platform YouTube utilises algorithmic data to show users similar content to their prior engagements – content they are likely to engage with in the future, thus creating a feedback loop in which they are exposed to media reinforcing their political preferences.35 As media scholars Brooke E. Auxier and Jessica Vitak state, “many social media platforms structure their content-feeds based on what an algorithm determines to be the ‘top’ or most ‘relevant’ stories. While these tools may help users control their information and news environments – making consumption more manageable and mitigating information overload – it is possible that these tailoring tools will expose users to redundant information and singular viewpoints.”36

    Both sides of the political spectrum fail to engage in meaningful discussion when they are entrapped in a single reality-tunnel, the stability of which is threatened by competing narratives. Instead, political dialogue becomes characterised by inflammatory insults, name-calling and defamation.

    Loaded language – such as ‘virtue signallers’, ‘snowflakes’, ‘racist’, ‘transphobic’, ‘Islamophobic’, ‘hetero-normative’, ‘privileged’ – enables identity groups to protect the integrity of their reality-tunnel by excluding those who hold a different opinion. In the same way that religious cult leaders isolate their members from the outside world, so too do identity groups orientate themselves around a closed belief system, which is immune to criticism, contention or challenge.

    In order to facilitate a more meaningful discussion, it is important that both sides learn to break free from the constraints of their reality-tunnel.

    Rising Above the Fray

    In his book Prometheus Rising, Robert Anton Wilson provides various techniques for challenging dominant reality tunnels. Writing in the early 1980s, Wilson suggested that “if you are a liberal, subscribe to the [conservative magazine] National Review… Each month try to enter their reality-tunnel for a few hours while reading their articles. If you are a conservative, subscribe to New York Review of Books for a year and try to get into their headspace for a few hours a month. If you are a rationalist, subscribe to Fate Magazine for a year. If you are an occultist, join the Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal and read their journal, The Sceptical Inquirer, for a year.”37

    To put a modern ‘spin’ on this exercise, if you follow conservative thinkers online such as Jordan Peterson or Ben Shapiro, expose yourself to leftist thinkers such as Slavoj Zizek or Noam Chomsky, and do the opposite if you are on the left. Subscribe to internet channels that do not align with your reality-tunnel. By performing this exercise, you will find that you can think about political issues in a more balanced, neutral and multidimensional way, free from the constraints of ideological dogma.

    You can use the same technique with religion. In one exercise, Wilson says, “become a pious Roman Catholic. Explain in three pages why the Church is still infallible and holy despite Popes like Alexander VI (the Borgia Pope), Pious XII (ally of Hitler), etc.”38 Then explain why the Church is an immoral and outdated institution; also write three pages detailing why you believe this to be the case. If you have the time, you can perform the same exercise with other religions such as Hinduism, Buddhism, and even Satanism. Explain why these religions hold the key to the ‘true’ nature of ‘reality’ and then refute yourself by providing a counterargument.

    You can use the same technique to become more conspiratorial in your thinking. In one exercise, Wilson says, “start collecting evidence that your phone is bugged. Everyone gets a letter occasionally that is slightly damaged. Assume that somebody is opening your mail and clumsily revealing it. Look around for evidence that your co-workers or neighbours think you’re a bit queer and are planning to have you committed to a mental hospital.”39 Observe how these assumptions influence your perception of other people and their behaviour – it won’t be long before you find evidence to support your paranoid thinking!

    Once you have sufficiently experimented with this reality-tunnel, “try living a whole week with the program, ‘Everybody likes me and tries to help me achieve all of my goals’.”40 Then try living a whole month with the program, “I have chosen to be aware of this particular reality.”41 Then try living a day with the program, “I am God playing at being a human being. I created every reality I notice.”42 Then try living forever with the metaprogram, “Everything works out more perfectly than I plan it.”43 By adopting these different reality-tunnels, you will notice how malleable your perceptual faculties really are – the world can become a place of conspiracy and collusion or a place of benevolence and positivity, depending on how you view it.

    Wilson provides another interesting exercise to expand the boundaries of consciousness, in which you “list at least 15 similarities between New York (or any large city) and an insect colony, such as a bee-hive or termite hill. Contemplate the information in the DNA loop, which created both of these enclaves of high coherence and organisation, in primate and insect societies.”44 Then, “Read the Upanishads and every time you see the word ‘Atman’ or ‘World Soul’, translate it as DNA blueprint. See if it makes sense to you that way.”45 According to Wilson, “Contemplating these issues usually triggers Jungian synchronicities. See how long after reading this chapter you encounter an amazing coincidence – e.g., seeing DNA on a license plate, having a copy of the Upanishads given to you unexpectedly…”46

    Experimenting with different reality tunnels is a necessary practice if one wishes to challenge dominant narratives, perspectives and viewpoints and expand the boundaries of human consciousness. As we find ourselves in a post-modern ‘information age’, where an increasing number of political factions compete for informational authority, we are exposed to the hidden forces of propaganda more than ever before.

    Every time we log into Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and YouTube, we allow ourselves to be manipulated by a complex system of algorithms that generates content based on our likes, dislikes, and even our differences. In order to escape the trappings of ideological dogma, we must become conscious of our biological, social and environmental conditioning and adopt a more multidimensional way of thinking.


    Quote Understanding about ‘reality-tunnels’ becomes instrumental in achieving true inner liberation since it enables us to think about the mind as a form of technological software that can be continually updated and reorganised. We achieve a state of metacognition, an awareness of one’s thought processes and an understanding of the patterns behind them. It is what the pioneering mind explorer John Lilly called our capacity for “metaprogramming,” the creation, revision, and reorganisation of mental programs.47

    Although we are constrained by the limitations of biological programming (to a certain extent), the creativity of human consciousness is infinite, a maze of endless possibilities and potentialities waiting to be explored. As the Buddha said, “All that we are is the result of all that we have thought. It is founded on thought. It is based on thought.”48

    About the Author

    Jack Fox-Williams graduated with a BA Hons degree in Philosophy and History from Goldsmiths University, London, in 2014. Since then he has worked as a freelance writer in Cornwall, England, focusing on philosophy, hermeticism and alternative science. He is currently working on a book about the relationship between the history of science and the occult. He can be contacted via email at jfoxwilliams@yahoo.co.uk.

    This article was published in New Dawn 187. Footnotes and references can be accessed at the title link above.
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    "Every man must find his own Truth" - The Way of the Tao

    I first stirred when Diana died, back in 1997, and then again in the wake of 9/11, although my family and friends all slumbered on. Being a part of the alternative community means you can never quite be in sync with mainstream again and, if you persist in trying to wake people up, they just view you with suspicion. In the last few years it's been really difficult to understand why or how the majority of people could be so gullible, but there are more people every day whose vision is clearing.

    Try and take a step back, Matthew, and see that it's not your job/responsibility to take on the burden of another's moral compass or spirituality.
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    Quote Posted by Matthew (here)
    ...
    So the moment you face people who think that they have the "moral high ground" feeling that they are "good people" judging anyone who do not blindly follow nor blindly trust the mainstream narratives <<< even if it is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, how many times mainstream have lied, deceived us all in the past, misrepresented, falsely accused critics etc. etc. THEY STILL THINK "they know better than you" .... ... which is of course pathetic & appalling!

    The few things that are "spiritually correct" is to leave them with (profound and/or essential, intelligent) questions they themselves have to answer in an honest way (not immediately, but as soon they are able to investigate it for themselves) ... if they still refuse to think about these key-questions >>> it is their Karma including their children and loved ones that can suffer for being a willful ignorant.
    In a court of life, "willful ignorance" is not "bliss" ... as it has a way of being educated by an unfolding reality.

    If you are able and succeed not to stay in anger nor being in a perpetual frustration mode and only ask some key-questions, then let it go without assuming good or bad results ... You just did what you could and your energy is based upon CARE (love ) for your fellow humans without projecting future doom scenarios too much (that's key!)... because that kind of energy is what ignorants can feel/sense radiating from me & you if we are on that level .... which is a human thing to do .... If you or me are able to do that, you will see your "planted seeds of considerations" for the willful ignorants works like a "splinter in their brains" (quoting Morpheus from the movie "The Matrix") .... Meaning that seed (in their brains) will grow as reality will catch up to vindicate your warnings, predictions & insights ... So yes to "let go" of expectations is key as you have done what you could ... The rest is up to them.
    • You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.
    This is how I avoid spiritual poisons most of the time ... but not always, depends on who it is and what my "state of mind/being" at that moment was.

    --o-O-o--

    ps. maybe we can brainstorm what kind of questions are key to have a long-term effect on those who are willing to listen ... depending on the topic/issue, of course.
    • He or she that asks the right questions has a better chance of finding the answers we need to move forward and prevent unnecessary suffering.
    • He or she that asks the wrong questions has no chance finding the right answers we need!
    • The framing of questions done by mainstream is often full of false assumptions. And the quality of these questions can easily be tested in the all vindication-precesses that happened for people who were way ahead of their times.


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    Matthew I always really enjoy your posts here. I think you've had some really good responses here, two that I really liked:

    Quote Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
     

    Spiritual growth is funny thing ...

    As soon as you make progress, the challenges to maintain the state you acquired get stronger and stronger, which makes it feel like you are going around and around getting nowhere, ad infinitum. This continues, not for you to over come some "ultimate challenge" and win ... but until you get sick of going around on that carousel and come to the revelation that there is nothing to win; its about achieving being in a state where you no longer interpret your experiences as being faced with "challenges" (negatives, judgements, problems, etc).

    Another way of looking at it is that until you learn to see God in everything, absolutely everything, you are still on that carousel.


    I'm not there yet, but this is where I want to be. I've posted this before here, but I really like the way this lady has framed the Duality play and how we can keep falling for it or move beyond:



    Quote Posted by Pam (here)
    Quote Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
     

    Spiritual growth is funny thing ...

    As soon as you make progress, the challenges to maintain the state you acquired get stronger and stronger, which makes it feel like you are going around and around getting nowhere, ad infinitum. This continues, not for you to over come some "ultimate challenge" and win ... but until you get sick of going around on that carousel and come to the revelation that there is nothing to win; its about achieving being in a state where you no longer interpret your experiences as being faced with "challenges" (negatives, judgements, problems, etc).

    Another way of looking at it is that until you learn to see God in everything, absolutely everything, you are still on that carousel.
    I was going to say something along these lines but you have said it a most lovely and concise way, DeDukshyn.

    I want to add Matthew, I don't see what you describe as "Spiritual poison", I see it as profound spiritual growth. It can look and feel ugly, and it can bring you to the point of feeling broken. In fact, it is a breaking process. It is the breaking of the delusions and illusions we hold. We have been given the opportunity to see what we may once have thought assets as sometimes being cowardice or other unpleasant defects. You gave the personal example of "taking the easy way out" by avoiding conflict. You recognized that at times it is a form of cowardice. That is a huge one for me. It has in many ways made my life "easier" by avoiding conflict, that at times might have been the higher ground. I wrapped myself in the warm delusion of what I have been told, that I am nice.Being considered nice makes the world easier to live in sometimes. Now, that is true at times that my motives come from kindness but sometimes it is sheer laziness, and cowardliness and sometimes fear.

    In the past couple years I have had one delusion after another shattered. I have felt there is really nothing left. Nothing of the ideas I had about myself and who and what I was, good or bad. That is not true of course I am not done with this process, more keeps popping up. But just exactly as DeDukshyn says, those lessons will continue to manifest until you learn the lesson. Many go their whole lives and don't understand how it works and repeat the same lessons over and over and over. An example being repeated destructive relationships. I have seen and done this many times, until the lesson is learned it will be be repeated.

    As far as setting anyone else straight on their delusions, I don't think it works that way, at least not forcing it. I do wonder if there are people that are plugged into this reality (given a factory setting so to speak) and don't have the ability to challenge any of the programming. It is simply not possible.

    In a weird way what's happening to you is a huge blessing. You are getting slammed with this lesson and you have the wisdom to see it is about you. At the spiritual level it is always about you.
    A great post Pam, thank you for sharing it.

    Personally I'm not engaged in trying to push people towards my worldvew. Everything seems so fluid at present that it's difficult to pin down exactly what I should be saying in any case. I'm also very wary of the 'NPC' idea, despite what Truelove says in her video linked above. I think all of us have a bit of the puzzle and no one individual or group has a monopoly on the truth. Life right now is a set of day to day decisions, mixed with a desire to grow, learn and improve in whatever way is possible. I've been getting some considerable obstacles but also unexpected moments of happiness.

    I'm typically happier when I'm not looking at events on a global/national scale, which I cannot meaningfully impact and instead looking closer to home. I can see many omens of huge events just around the corner, but ultimately the big stuff is going to look after itself, for good or ill. So I'm trying to detach myself from the constant push/pull and to instead cultivate a certain detachment, observing without becoming emmeshed in the drama. Although I take Pam's point above about the difference between avoiding conflict for sound reasons against the times when it's neccesary to make a stand. That remains a genuine quandary.

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    I feel it, the hatred, for only the second time in my life, first time was 2021. Just because you feel it Matthew, doesn’t necessarily mean you do actually hate anyone. I know it’s not me, I ignore it, it will pass like a storm, like it did the first time. It seems to me the hatred you feel isn’t yours either, hence the title of this thread, my suggestion is to ignore it.
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    Looking back, it's not that long ago that I was also being taken in by a lot of B.S. from the MSM, and it wasn't that easy to do the work necessary which allowed me to become disillusioned enough to begin seeking true explanations about what is really going on in the world, and that search is far from over.
    When I find myself being triggered by people who have not yet reached that threshold, I have to remind myself that I was not born an all-seeing entity, but one that has had to follow a difficult path to gain any clear insight and wisdom that I may have achieved.
    We have to remember that every individual soul is on their own chosen path, and some just need more time than others to get to whatever finish line we might decide to draw for them, but that is really not our job in the first place.
    For some, understanding what is really going on in the world may not help them to achieve whatever goals they have set for themselves for this lifetime, and that is their right.
    There is most certainly something called "group karma", and we can be affected by how well those we are connected with are doing in their spiritual journey.
    But it's difficult to know how pure our motives are when we feel moved to enlighten another--is it really something we are doing for our own benefit, or are we actually acting for the benefits of others?
    I think it really depends a lot on how attached we are to the outcome--there is something to be said for spiritual detachment.
    When we feel clear and centered enough to take some action on behalf of the greater good, chances are much better that we will achieve something worthwhile.
    When we aren't, probably better to desist and work on keeping our own understanding pure and clear.
    Otherwise, we may muddy our own waters and end up realizing it was really all for nothing, and we now have a mess of our own to clear up.
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    Matthew, take a look at my past post/ https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...ghlight=people

    however, you were a bit more honest in your outrage with these stupid people
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    One thing to bear in mind, is that not all problems and suffering is intended to be 'solved' - some of it is to learn-from, by struggling with what is (in this mortal life) the intractable - or to shape our lives in ways intended by God for our ultimate (but not immediate) spiritual benefit.

    It depends what we, as individuals, need to learn.

    I seem to have entered this life with some seriously bad attitudes; and a fair bit of suffering (it now seems to me) was necessary to make me recognize that these attitudes were indeed bad. There was plenty of chance for me to learn without suffering, through 'kind treatment' and pleasure - but I ignored these experiences.

    (I'm not trying to suggest that I personally have suffered any more than most people, probably it was less than average - but that it was through unpleasing and adverse things happening - and me noticing and learning from them - that some of the most important eventual 'goods' happened. Whereas some of the happiest and best-adjusted times of my early adult life; served to entrench bad habits, and set me off in wrong directions.)

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    Quote Posted by Matthew (here)
    I've taken poison, but relax; not physical poison. I've found myself spiritually poisoned and wonder who poisoned me? But that can't be right, because it's me who is to blame, e.g. how can I fix this unless I understand my part getting poisoned?

    I started with no patience and now I have little patience. I resent friends who don't see the truth (the medical abuse, party politics sham, etc) like I see it, and think of them to blame for compliance, encouraging their our abusers.

    Friends who I thought saw more truth, but it turned out they don't, are double disappointing... I hate them the most. If they listen to the mainstream, and are plugged into the mainstream, then they seem to regress even if I thought they were getting somewhere.

    I can forgive more easily if I don't hear the stuff that comes out of their mouth. But that's avoidance which is a conflict resolution strategy I use because it's easy and requires almost no courage. But it's not always practical, comfortable or fair. I don't think this is the best way to fight the venom?

    Those are my symptoms. I feel like I got spiritually poisoned. I've got to fight the toxins. How do I stop hating people? Where's the off-switch

    It comes and goes, but this isn't getting easier. Words of comradery, pity, accusation or advice or anything else, all very welcome; please come and judge me
    Several things (which help me in similar situations) spring to mind:

    My spin on a line attributed to Jesus:
    • Educate them, for they know not what they do.
    (Though forgive may have merit too. ~ Similarly, I was reminded today of South Africa's end of apartheid, where most people absolved those who'd been maintaining it. They just wanted the truth out.)

    (Which be more meaningful/effective, along with...)
    • More flies caught with honey than vinegar.

    (Which is a sort of "tldr" of a more elaborate form which may be better absorbed and positively deployed with positive perceptions (than flies)...)
    • The wind and the sun have a bet who can get a coat off a man fastest. The wind tries first. The wind blows and blows, and the man clutches his coat wrapped even more tightly. Then the sun's turn. The sun shines, and the man removes the coat himself.
    • Another thing, is ... I was told the french have a word for this, but I forgot it... it's when you have a little leaning back, a little recoil, before moving forward. Like in this case, instead of pressing on, a letting go, a releasing, a softening of grip, first, may allow a more effective embrace after. [Edit: and perhaps things like E.F.T. (Emotional Freedom Technique) and whichever meditation technique works for you, could also help in this.]

    Oh, and another Jesus bit (~ Heh, novel for me, as I don't normally reference Jesus so often, lol, spent large part of my life militant atheist of an especially anti-church bent ~):
    • Love the sinner, hate the sin.

    That one's especially useful for keeping a distinction, which can keep relations more sunshine-opened. The doing, not the doer. After all, they are another you. Atman is Brahman. Enlaketch.

    [Edit: And, remember, victim-co-perpetrators, are victims, not just perpetrators. Alleviate the former, and the latter ceases. ... or something like that. Heh.]

    Also, in the style of "catmas" (contrast to dogmas), propose that these are
    • mere suggestions,
    • mere ideas to be entertained, (without necessarily accepting nor rejecting)

    in whatever it is that they're stubbornly resistant to. Just plant those seeds, and allow the rest to take its course.

    And, sympathies.
    I know it's easy to get wound up tight.

    ... And just before posting... I'm prompted a reminder of what I have written in two shades of purple along the bottom of every month page of my calendar this year, from advice from a couple astrologers:
    Quote Challenge to 2025: Avoid people who do crazy to bring you down to the level they think you should be on: Avoid @ all costs.
    Sometimes, [Edit: and I'm saying this as one with suspected/self-diagnosed avoidant personality disorder and pathological demand avoidance] until otherwise spiritually healed and tooled up, perhaps it is indeed worth avoiding them, to recoup, and let them find their own way, not provoking heels getting dug in deeper and karmic elastic getting stretched further for eventual snap-back tower-collapse hard lessons. Though realising it may not be ideal, no need to beat yourself up about deploying avoidance. Best we can. Always. No shame in the truth. (know, shaman, the truth. hehe)

    & I'll bet there's great help with this in those links from Bill. I say having only just skimmed the first post of the first link so far.

    Oh, Oh, one more thing... go Socratic. Get your list of clues together, and reform them from statements, to questions, perhaps ideally open questions, to offer them, to evoke their own curiosity. "Isnt it weird that... ... ... ?". Curiosity evocation's something I'm still slow to learn how to do.
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    Sadhguru in his simplicity. There is probably a more relevant video to submit of Sadhguru's many videos, but I wanted to try out submitting a video and finally got it right. I am useless with tecnology, never seem to be able to follow instructions properly.
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    I believe I fell into one method of dealing with the insanity that we are all facing around us. It is along the lines of not being part of the problem, but being part of the solution.

    I recently taught a well-attended, international spiritual course, and because I was their "guru for a day" I took that opportunity to slip in my thoughts about the worldwide evil of the Covid plandemic, and how poisonous the shots are. Immediately, someone on the course asked me if I would hold a course to reverse the effects of the shots? I didn't answer that day, but said I would give it some thought. I subsequently held such a course, with two sessions, a week apart in which 16 people attended, most of them living in Bangkok, Thailand. I gave each one a lot of personal attention, had them do some simple daily exercises as homework between the two sessions, and basically by the second session they reported miraculous recoveries. Now I am being asked to repeat that course for others. This is the need of our times. Helping those who are really suffering from the life-changing mistakes they recently made is something many of you can do. I'd love to hear stories about that.....

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