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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    The Powers-That-Be always act for multiple reasons - the Ukrainian War is an example of this.

    This article goes into one of the reasons for this war: to reset a country - in this case Ukraine - into a WEF-envisioned future.

    Very sobering.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...es-great-reset

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    UK knows well how we killed Storm Shadow over Damascus – Russia


    Russia continues to make statements about the long-range Storm Shadow “fire-and-forget” air-to-surface missiles delivered to Ukraine. Various proposals are already being heard, some logical, some quite dangerous.

    For example, Alexey Zhuravlev, a Russian politician from the State Duma proposes that air defense systems leave the Russian border and be deployed primarily by politicians, Russian air defense systems should be moved away from the Russian borders to the range of these missiles. Zhuravlev also said that as long as the range of the British missile is at such a distance, the Ukrainian troops should be pushed from the Russian border.

    There were also the first suggestions that Russia would “strike” Western Ukraine. “The supply route must be cut”, is the reason for such a request from Mikhail Shermet, a Russian deputy from the State Duma.

    However, other comments are less concerned about Storm Shadow’s effectiveness. Russia has already shot down more than one Storm Shadow missile in Syria. At the same time, the Russian forces did not use the S-400 or S-300, but the BUK and TOR mobile air defense systems. Alexei Leonkov, a military expert, reminded both Ukraine and Britain of this fact.

    He even indicated a specific date – April 14, 2018. Then a missile attack begins over Damascus. Leonkov recalled that it was on this day that Russian anti-aircraft missile systems first faced Storm Shadow.

    Leonkov makes a very important explanation – the rocket cannot change its route. I.e. it follows the target along a predetermined route. Not only can this route be predicted, but the missile can be intercepted and tracked all along the way.

    As we already wrote, Storm Shadow is an air-launched missile. The Ukrainian MiG-29 and Su-25 cannot carry this missile because it alone exceeds the payload weight. But Su-24 and Su-24 are capable of carrying it.

    At this time, there is no officially confirmed information that one of the two combat aircraft has received integration to program the missile, but there are assumptions based on information from on-site and open sources. This means that the missile has to be programmed on the ground, then launched from the air. Storm Shadow allows for similar programming.

    The first reports have already appeared that Storm Shadow has hit a target – a factory in Luhansk. In fact, it is quite possible that the delivery of the missile[s] took place long before the announced date. This is an important clarification because, according to the announcement, the missile was launched by a Su-24 bomber of the Ukrainian Air Force.

    Can the Su-24 be so quickly integrated with the ability to program the missile? No, but this integration didn’t happen in the last 24 hours, but at least five months ago. Back in February, we informed that Ukraine will receive these missiles. Our information is based on tracking specific actions in Poland. It was there that Ukraine sent the Su-24 to be integrated with programming capabilities and this happened in December 2022. There is even information that the missile was then already tested on how to communicate with the Ukrainian bomber.

    Going back to the comment of the Russian military expert Leonkov in 2018 over Syria, Russian air defense systems shot down at least 71 Western-made missiles. Not all of them are Storm Shadow, says the Russian, recalling that the Tomahawk has also been involved in attacks over Syria and is also among the downed missiles.

    Let him recall what Russia had deployed around Damascus in April 2018. This will give an indication of what can be deployed in Ukraine today. In 2018, the Russians deployed Russian-made surface-to-air missiles, including the S-125, S-200, 2K12 Kub, and Buk, around the Syrian capital to repel attacks.

    However, according to Leonkov, the Russian armed forces will have problems with the Storm Shadow if the Ukrainians change the height of the missile’s flight. For example, if it flies at a low altitude, it becomes almost invisible to the scanning radars of large air defense systems, whose purpose is to intercept such missiles.

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    Leonkov emphasized that in recent weeks, the presence of drones has been activated in the Kaluga and Ryazan regions. Some of them manage to hit the target, while others are shot down. But Leonkov believes that these drones were sent to test the route to wipe out Storm Shadow. If the Ukrainians follow this route, they have a chance to hit the Russian target, the expert believes because although the route will be known, the missile will be hidden from radars due to the height of the flight.

    But despite Storm Shadow’s barely visible form, there are experts, the Russian military, who believe their air defenses will intercept and destroy them.

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    Quote Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
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    I would say that the sanctions/ economic war succeeded in their real objective - which was to add weight to the galaxy of other policies (e.g. mass migration, the zero-carbon agenda, destroy the West, the anti-natalist/ family developments of the sexual revolution, antiracism, deliberate inflation, the covid-vax measures etc etc) designed to destroy all Western nations.

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    Quite an important incident in what seems like a significant further escalation. What'll be happening in Russia now, for sure, is that Putin will be under increasing pressure to start to take much more decisive action.

    I've said that before, but Putin has always maintained his (astonishingly) tolerant and moderate stance. However, as I posted elsewhere, I'd really not bet $1000 against all this going nuclear at some point. There's nothing anywhere in the world to indicate this is all going be resolved easily and peacefully.

    The west is hell-bent on destroying Russia by fair means or foul. But that's not going to happen. It doesn't matter what one's ideological views are. Russia will defend itself, as it always has done.
    Just a further short opinion post from me, for whatever it may be worth. I can feel the steadily growing anger in Russia. I'm sure many other readers can too.

    At some point, whether tomorrow, next week, or next month, Putin will quietly and secretly consult with Xi in China and Modi in India, and say:
    Dear Friends, bear with me and please look carefully. This and this and this is happening. We're now considering doing this in response. We're starting to feel we have no other option. If we do, will you continue to support us?
    I agree completely with Bill's analysis and the probabilities. The West's provocations against have been repeated, relentless and are escalating. The UK promise to export radio-active uranium 'dirty bomb' shells are another and perhaps critical provocation, as soon as they are deployed.

    This business can only continue for so long, before Putin is unable to hold-back the pressure. Any other world leader would probably have 'snapped' (or been displaced) long ago; but Putin has been, so far, a tremendously effective (including popular, trusted) leader of his country - probably its saviour from the ongoing (West-led) post-1989 civilizational collapse that prevailed before him.

    I interpret these destructively-motivated as attempts by people (and the supernatural evil beings behind them) deliberately to provoke a colossally destructive war including all the Western nations.

    Thus the real purpose behind the UK supplying radioactive ammo (and all the rest of them), is to evoke escalation, and to make the UK a prime target for reprisals - leading to massively escalated UK involvement, leading probably to the near destruction of much of the most populous areas of the UK.

    Note on the UK, as a prime example of the general picture:

    The UK 'leadership'-puppets do not, and have not for many years, operate for the national interest of the country, never mind for the well-being of its native population. They reflexly favour other nations over the UK, other peoples over the British - indeed, they often reveal a visceral loathing of the native population and are tirelessly trying to replace them with... anyone, from anywhere-else.

    The leadership class (among who I worked for several decades) very obviously regard themselves as part of the global elite, administering the country on behalf of what they have been told is good for the long-term future of 'the world'.

    Of course, the UK leadership class are mostly merely mid-level dupes of a very different agenda than they suppose, and which will have no place for them on the few lifeboats from the tsunami of global collapse and destruction that is being engineered from the top-level.

    What applies to the UK, applies to the rest-of-the-West - mutatis mutandis.
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    Ukr sources report that Zelensky’s negotiations with the Pope ended in vain, the format of negotiations was imposed on Ukraine, and Zelensky outlined a unified position - only the Ukrainian formula for peace. Kiev understands that any alternative format other than the Ukrainian formula will mean the defeat of Ukraine, which is why the Chinese peace plan will never be implemented.

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    • Trump Gets Ukraine Question RIGHT! CNN Melts Down!(and all other War hawk Liberal MSM):

    During the recent Donald Trump Town Hall on CNN, moderator Kaitlan Collins pressed the former President on whether he would like to see Ukraine victorious in the war against Russia. Trump refused to answer, instead insisting that he would just like to see the killing end, and his focus wasn’t on who wins or loses. Jimmy and Americans’ Comedian Kurt Metzger discuss Trump’s answer and why the warmongers at CNN would see anything short of demanding an outright Ukraine victory as unacceptable.
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    Quote Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
    In this new video, from 43:25 for about 8 minutes, Alexander Mercouris makes essentially the same point as I shared above earlier today that (in Mercouris' own words) Putin has exercised remarkable restraint, but if something 'ugly' were to happen then he'll be under great pressure to respond militarily far more strongly and clearly.

    The other point that Mercouris makes, I think quite rightly, is that there's a kind of week-by-week, month-by-month creeping escalation here (my words, not his), simply because the western nations are confident that they can continue what they're doing and that Putin won't do anything to stop them. (But at some point, of course, he will.)

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    Location of the downed planes and helicopters (green map is Ukraine border, Chernigov Region and partly Sumy region)

    9 people died today as a result of the crash of Mi-8 helicopters and Su-34 and Su-35 aircraft in the Bryansk region.

    In the city of Klintsy, all three crew members died in the crash of a Mi-8 helicopter.

    In Unechsky district - Volkustichi, the crash of the second Mi-8 helicopter killed three more crew members of the combat vehicle.

    Two pilots of a Su-34 fighter-bomber died in the village of Nizhnyaya

    In the village of Suretsky Moroviy, the pilot of a Su-35 fighter was killed.

    The combat vehicles were part of the same air group. Su-34s worked on targets in the Chernihiv region, Su-35S provided cover, one Mi-8 carried out jamming, the second helicopter - in case of evacuation of pilots. Nobody managed to survive.

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    The Washington Post reports that Zelenskiy planned to seize Russian border towns and strike deep into Russian territory to gain a bargaining chip in future negotiations with Russia.

    It is interesting that the article in WP comes out in parallel with the events in the Bryansk region. Actually, the very publication of such content with an unconvincing reference to some secret data leaked, apparently, is intended to enhance the cognitive effect of the events in the Bryansk region. Goal: demoralization of Russian society.

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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    More on the Klintsy incident here from Simplicius The Thinker. I'll not post the whole article as it may be one that is perhaps too long, but copy some extracts. For those interested in technicalities the whole article can be read here


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    Black Day for Russian VVS as 'Special Air Group' Destroyed in Ambush

    Author: Simplicius The Thinker
    Publication date: May 13, 2023

    Today (May 13th) Russia lost two Mi-8s, and Su-34, and reportedly an Su-35. All nine pilots were killed. This is likely three in the Mi-8, three in the Mi-8MTPR1 (pilot, copilot and EW suite operator), two in Su-34, and one in Su-35.

    These four aerial assets comprised what’s called a ‘special air group’ as they operated together as one unit on a coordinated mission objective. One of the Mi-8s was likely in a recovery role, specifically sent as a craft to recover downed pilots as a precaution, the other was an advanced Mi-8MTPR1, which is an electronics / EW platform. The role of the Mi-8MTPR1 is to provide electronic jamming and cover for the Su-34, whose role was to launch airstrikes, likely in the form of the new FAB-500M-62 UMPC ‘planning’ or glide-bombs. The Su-35’s role in this special air group is to provide air cover against potential hostile air threats, i.e. enemy fighter jets.

    ....So, in summary: they fly together, the Mi-8MTPR1 jams enemy air defenses from a distance, the Su-34 launches bombs, the Su-35 patrols to make sure no hostile craft approach, and the rear Mi-8 simply loiters as precaution to exfiltrate any downed pilots swiftly should a shoot down occur.

    This incident in fact gave us the first such indepth look into how Russia is launching its long range strikes. It’s more sophisticated than many people thought, and doesn’t boil down to just Su-34s randomly winging bombs on their own, but in fact there is an entire system of cover in place.

    ...

    As to people wondering why they were flying so high, when the name of the game these days is fly low beneath radar coverage. As per the mission requirements, this mission calls to fly high as obviously for the Mi-8MTPR1 to jam enemy AD, it has to be high enough to detect those AD systems, which in turn can detect it also and then it’s a matter of who gets off first. Jamming systems are not perfect. No system on the planet is completely failsafe or foolproof. We’ve seen numerous times the Vitebsk system on Ka-52s successfully fended off Manpads, some videos even showing a Ka-52 losing several Manpads in this way.

    But no system is perfect because it all comes down to the specific conditions of an encounter. There are small “blind spots” and other such things in every system depending on its orientation and the various parameters of its height, distance, etc.

    As for the other planes, obviously they too had to be up high because if the Su-34’s job was to launch glide bombs, these can only be launched from a high altitude so that they can have a lot of room to ‘glide down’ while they stretch their legs to 30-50km, or whatever their max range might be. Clearly, this was an operation in an area where Russia often operates and felt that the long range AD was suppressed or nonexistent.

    So, what was it that actually hit the craft? My first reaction—as was many people’s—was that these were Manpad-armed DRG saboteurs that had infiltrated the Russian border region near Bryansk, due to the fact that the craft all fell deep in Russian territory. However, after more facts came to light, this appears a fairly classic hit of a medium/long range system, most likely a Ukrainian BUK. Although, there are some major problems for the BUK possibility I’ll mention afterwards. First, a few key pieces of evidence:
    - The pilots were all killed, giving no chance at ejection. This would not happen with Manpads because they are often much weaker (far smaller warheads), doing enough damage to burn out the engines or clip a wing, but not to catastrophically destroy the plane instantly. They typically still give a chance for the pilots to eject.

    - The video showing the falling Su-34 wrecks appears to show the entire front of the plane completely destroyed which likely can only be from a quite powerful warhead and definitely not a manpad.

    - There are now videos showing that Russian Mi-8s continue flying in this region near the shoot down location, but they are now hugging the ground, flying just barely over rooftops. If the threat was Manpads, they would be doing the opposite as flying 15k+ feet would go beyond Manpad range (or even lower for some of them). This seems to imply they are hiding beneath radar coverage of long range systems.
    And lastly, we have the photo of one of the Mi-8 rotors, perforated with fragmentation shrapnel. Most AD systems do use fragmentation, although the size of those frag hits seems to point more to BUK than smaller Manpad frags.

    So what appears to have happened, is Ukraine somehow snuck an AD system much closer to the Russian border under cover, kept it offline while learning of the Russian strike group’s routine and routes by way of observation or help from U.S. C4ISR systems. Then once the strike group took off and was headed their way, they would need to only fire up their radar system very briefly to designate the target and launch at them.

    This is one explanation for how they could have gotten past the Mi-8MTPR1’s Rychag jamming systems.

    ...For instance, one theory being promulgated is that Ukraine “ambushed” this group with Mig-29s armed with new American long range Aim-120 Amraam missiles. These missiles are fancy and advanced, but the problem is, it doesn’t matter how powerful your missiles are if your aircraft’s radar is the weak bottleneck. The Mig-29’s radar is infamously lackluster compared to the Russian Su-35 that was in the air. Many comparison videos have previously been made but the disparity is something along the lines of: the Su-35 with its famed Irbis-E radar can detect the Mig-29 at something like 250-400km while the Mig can only detect the Su-35 at maybe 60-120km at the most, give or take.

    But some have rebutted by saying: “But American AWACs probably provided the target designation for the Amraam-armed Mig!”

    Problem is, as I explained many times before, the AWACs radar’s max range is 450km, and maybe 600km+ for gigantic high flying targets like Tu-95 bears. This is due to the simple science of radar horizons and earth curvature.

    the area of shoot downs is roughly 650km+ from the closest possible AWACs position. It’s very unlikely that it can see that far, and if it could, it’s even less likely that it could provide actual target lock-on data at that resolution/distance. It’s much more likely for radars in Kiev to have detected it, as certain S-300 variants can detect upwards of 250-300km+, it’s just that the missiles can’t engage that far. And the distance from Kiev to the shoot down sites if you’ll recall was about 260km.

    The only problem with the BUK theory is that, the shoot down locations may even be out of realistic range of a BUK, or at least at the physical limit. A BUK radar can detect at upwards of 80-120km, but its engagement range is around 45km max. The distance from Klintsy to the Ukrainian border alone is 80km, although there are small juts of land that are exactly 45km.

    Ultimately, it’s a bit of a mystery as you can see from the explanations above, there are strong reasons for why it could not have been any of the potential systems. BUK has too short of a range, Manpads are unlikely due to the damage profiles, IRIS-T and other Western systems are much too short-range—for instance, IRIS-T range is only about 15-20km or less. Patriots are very large systems likely only in Kiev which is well beyond their range. It’s highly doubtful they’d smuggle a Patriot in right up to the Russian border, as it’s no where near as mobile as almost everything else on the list.

    (..an interesting take)...

    MG R:"The recent downing of Russian aircraft was a test of the potential capability of bringing more advanced western systems to the conflict as a means of advocating for delivery of F-16 and/or JAS 39 aircraft. Apparently they rigged current gen NATO ordnance to be released by one of the donated Mig 29s. They are keen on testing IRIS-T, Meteor, AIM-9x block II, AIM-120D, and SM-6. Navy also want to push CAMM/SM-3 missile complexes Storm Shadow is another example of this. understanding is that they handed guidance for these weapons over to NATO AWACs which would make it directly party to the conflict if this information ever got out. of the globohomo Nazi rump state of Ukraine".


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