WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

[shaberon]

Posted by Violet3 (here)
I can't help thinking that the collective West including America, with Ukraine at the front line, is being deliberately destroyed from within, using and forcing Russia to be the means to that end

Well yes but that is how you can identify this is a failure.

Such a "plot" is certainly the case of UK vs. its "breakaway colonies" and one might say the mission of CIA & MI6 to move it forward. Call that the twentieth century.

The problem is it didn't work.

Remember that the people in charge of the west are good at one thing, telling someone else what to do, whereas the people in charge of Russia...well usually I think that to even be alive they must be tougher and smarter than me. They make results.

The western mentality is neither capable of producing a system that actually works, nor being considered a part of the civilized world.

A lot of the western commanders who have been to these places know what time it is. They would not make those stupid political decisions or risk grave consequences. The politicians are engrossed with "superiority" to the point where they live in a fantasy which unfortunately is inhabited by God. It really is right out of the Bible. Unless they are politically corrupted, military and police types do what they have to, go after violent offenders, and otherwise they don't waste their time on fluff or meaningless risks. You might think of the Colonel's Coup which is why Qaddafi was so successful and so popular. The office of a Colonel is much closer to on-the-ground, day-to-day reality. Comparatively, a General's Coup has a political bloc, or a vested interest or other strings attached.

Remember, the Empire already went to its grave in Syria. It wasn't big enough so nobody believed it. Ukraine is further details on how insane it actually is, which is not quite new, starting from Operation Belladonna 1946.

Just the failure of a Great Game which could have never worked, because these people don't know how to work. They have beliefs.

[Bruce G Charlton]

@Bill - It is horrible how routine this stuff has become in the current war.

The Western puppet-leaders routinely approve or by-proxies perform some intended grossly destructive or sheerly-spiteful act of destruction, atrocity, war crime - they routinely instruct the mass media to enforce this latest Big Lie by blaming Russia (etc) and block or demonize any dissent from this truth-inversion, which the mass media routinely does - and the Western masses (esepcially the managerial, bureaucratic and intellectual classes) routinely believe the Big Lie (and indeed get terribly moralistically exercised against what has actually been done by their side).

It does not matter how ridiculously implausible the Lie, nor that the Western puppet-leaders have been caught in multiple gross lies over and again: the masses routinely believe everything they are told.

This is a kind of literal mental illness - because I can think no significant group of people anywhere in history have ever been so gullible, so gullible in the service to evil, as are the Western masses.

Rudolf Steiner made the insightful comment that atheism was a kind of insanity: I think that may be the ultimate explanation. (When atheism is considered in its fullness, including its social manifestations.)

There has never been a population that tried to delete the religious and spiritual from their own minds and from public discourse - in the way that happens (routinely) now and is enforced. While people retained a residuum of 'belief' from childhood, this was not such a problem - but now that so many have been raided in a post-religious world (dominated by 'politics' and the mass media) insanity has become normal: indeed, insisted-upon.

[Tintin]

From Simplicius The Thinker, dated yesterday, which time permitting I may post up extracts from a little later. This is maximalist, for sure:

state Duma deputy Elena Panina, who stated:

Denazification of Ukraine means de-Americanization of Ukraine.

Elena Panina, director of the Institute of Russian Strategic Studies: "Nazism in Ukraine is a product carefully cultivated by the United States and its entire state machine. Nazism is an American tool for turning apolitical and good-natured Ukrainians into brutal fanatical Russophobes. The tool is precisely American, because the special services of England, Germany, The Vatican and Austria played a supporting role in this matter, they were, as they say, "on the hook."

Therefore, the denazification of Ukraine is, first of all, its de-Americanization. The denazification of Ukraine means the complete military defeat of all its institutions created by the United States for the war with Russia. There can be no denazification without the de-Americanization of Ukraine. No denazification is possible in that part of Ukraine that will remain under US rule. It was for the sake of growing Nazism that the United States came to Ukraine. Money is not their main goal. They will pay any price for the destruction of Russia.

Russia is fighting in Ukraine primarily with the United States, which has turned Ukraine into a Nazi reserve. Freezing, cessation of hostilities under any pretext means the cessation of the denazification of Ukraine and the abandonment of the goals of the SMO. To solve the problem of Nazism in Ukraine, the United States must be expelled from there. If the de-Americanization of Ukraine is not brought to an end, Nazism in it will always seek to destroy Russia.

We have no right to allow this. The goals of the SMO must be fully fulfilled."

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[Violet3]

Posted by Tintin (here)
From Simplicius The Thinker, dated yesterday, which time permitting I may post up extracts from a little later. This is maximalist, for sure:

state Duma deputy Elena Panina, who stated:

Denazification of Ukraine means de-Americanization of Ukraine.

Elena Panina, director of the Institute of Russian Strategic Studies: "Nazism in Ukraine is a product carefully cultivated by the United States and its entire state machine. Nazism is an American tool for turning apolitical and good-natured Ukrainians into brutal fanatical Russophobes. The tool is precisely American, because the special services of England, Germany, The Vatican and Austria played a supporting role in this matter, they were, as they say, "on the hook."

Therefore, the denazification of Ukraine is, first of all, its de-Americanization. The denazification of Ukraine means the complete military defeat of all its institutions created by the United States for the war with Russia. There can be no denazification without the de-Americanization of Ukraine. No denazification is possible in that part of Ukraine that will remain under US rule. It was for the sake of growing Nazism that the United States came to Ukraine. Money is not their main goal. They will pay any price for the destruction of Russia.

Russia is fighting in Ukraine primarily with the United States, which has turned Ukraine into a Nazi reserve. Freezing, cessation of hostilities under any pretext means the cessation of the denazification of Ukraine and the abandonment of the goals of the SMO. To solve the problem of Nazism in Ukraine, the United States must be expelled from there. If the de-Americanization of Ukraine is not brought to an end, Nazism in it will always seek to destroy Russia.

We have no right to allow this. The goals of the SMO must be fully fulfilled."

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Yes I agree with her. The further implications would include that the countries (including of course my own) which avidly follow the dictates of whoever is running the US machine are also increasingly if not utterly overtaken by the same ruthless ideology, and therefore the longer term problem is much bigger than America, however central America is to the current war.

[kfm27917]

F-16 for Ukraine

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[Ravenlocke]

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[kfm27917]

Close the trap: the optimal moment to strike has already arrived

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[Ravenlocke]

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‼️🇷🇺🇺🇦 The enemy is advancing on the Donetsk and Artyomovsk fronts — Ministry of Defense
▪️In the Donetsk direction, the active actions of the "Southern" group of troops repelled 5 attacks in the areas of the settlement. Razdolovka, Pervomayskoye, Krasnogorovka and Maryinka DPR. During the fighting, the losses of Ukrainian troops amounted to more than 205 militants, 2 armored vehicles, 7 vehicles, and 2 D-20 howitzers.
▪️In yesterday's report of the Ministry of Defense it was reported that our troops repelled 2 enemy attacks in the areas of the settlement. Pervomaiskoye and Petrovskoye.
💥In areas of n.p. Artyomovo, Zvanovka, Vyemka and Avdeevka of the DPR, the 24th, 54th and 110th mechanized brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were defeated by missile and aviation strikes. Up to 340 militants, 2 armored vehicles, 4 vehicles, as well as a D-30 howitzer were destroyed.
💥 In areas of n.p. Novomikhailovka, Novgorodskoe and Slavnoe DPR destroyed ammunition depots of the 24th mechanized, 79th air assault and 47th artillery brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
▪️In areas of N. p. Seversk Maly and Chasov Yar DPR destroyed ammunition depots of the 45th artillery and 57th motorized infantry brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
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‼️🇷🇺US equipment hunters - "Supercams" of "🅾️" help to destroy NATO weapons
💥 Thanks to the well-coordinated actions of artillery and UAV crews of the Center group of troops, the following were destroyed:

American Humvee armored vehicles, M-113 armored personnel carriers, M777 howitzers, command post, personnel and a number of other targets in the Krasnolimansky direction.

▪️The crew of UAVs perform daily aerial reconnaissance at the front line to detect the covert movement of the enemy.
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‼️🇺🇦🏴‍☠️“The Armed Forces of Ukraine have not launched a counteroffensive yet,” Zelensky’s representative
Podolyak came up with a new military strategy called "test offensive". Now the Ukrainian army is allegedly conducting "testing", moving forward. Those. they look where it will be weakest.”
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[Ravenlocke]

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❗️🇱🇻Such a strange "occupation": the "victims" flee to the "aggressor," not from him

🔸Latvian television is surprised: (https://eng.lsm.lv/article/society/s...point.a512538/) huge queues of Ukrainian citizens trying to leave for the new regions of Russia have lined up at the Vientuli checkpoint in Latvia. This is what
@BALTNEWS
reports.

🔸Last week, an aid station was opened on the Latvian border to help Ukrainian citizens who wanted to return there.

Source: @radiomirby

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[Ravenlocke]

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Seymour Hersh: Panic at the State Department over Victoria Nuland
Deputy Secretary of State Wendy Sherman has resigned, and her last day in office will be June 30, noted journalist Seymour Hersh on his blog.
"Her departure sent the State Department into near-panic over the person many fear will be her replacement: Victoria Nuland," writes Hersh.
As he states, Nuland's aggressive attitude towards Russia fits perfectly with the views of President Joseph Biden.
The famous journalist cites a source with direct knowledge of the details of the situation, who says that various State Department bureaus are complaining that Nuland, currently the undersecretary for political affairs, is "going wild" while Secretary of State Anthony Blinken is on the road.

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[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/dana916/status/1669381842577784843

[Ravenlocke]

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Gossip, but interesting:

According to RIA Novosti, the head of the Ukrainian military intelligence service, Budanov, was wounded during a Russian strike on his office building on 29 May, a missile "flew" into the office next to Budanov's, a Russian law enforcer told RIA Novosti citing sources in the Ukrainian intelligence service.

After he was wounded, Budanov was transported by helicopter to a military base in Rzeszow, Poland, and an American evacuation flight was flown there especially for him, which took the head of the Ukrainian intelligence service to Germany.

Data on the flight were found on Flightradar (pictured). Budanov is now in a hospital in Berlin in serious condition.

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[Ravenlocke]

Video with English subtitles

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[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/djuric_zlatko/st...31835137396738

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"The Kiev regime is growing from a neo-Nazi into an international terrorist cell" - Maria Zakharova , commenting on the possible transfer of Ukraine to the Israeli model of cooperation with NATO

"Terrorist, because it hits the civilian population, international, because it is filled with foreign mercenaries. How to deal with the terrorist regime of the international structure? If NATO used to support terrorist cells behind the scenes, now they will openly," she added in a briefing at SPIEF ."

https://twitter.com/djuric_zlatko/st...06105791807502

[Rizotto]

2 minute clip starkly describes what's happening on the Ukraine front:
"Mass Murder in Ukraine - No Air Support for Ukrainian Soldiers SCOTT RITTER"

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Bn0BuAcE7rg

[Michel Leclerc]

Posted by Bruce G Charlton (here)
@Bill - It is horrible how routine this stuff has become in the current war.

(...)

Rudolf Steiner made the insightful comment that atheism was a kind of insanity: I think that may be the ultimate explanation. (When atheism is considered in its fullness, including its social manifestations.)

(...)

Yes, Bruce.

As a matter or fact, the Marquis de Sade had already shown that a century earlier. Who was a deist, fundamentally, and only an atheist for the sake of the thought experiment. He felt justified writing his horror novels because the Revolution had condemned him (as a specimen among others) to, practically, lifelong incarceration in prison and mental asylum. (Quite modern, this combination.)

During my professional life as an organisation consultant I tried to awaken that perspective among my trainees — to no avail. They could not relate. Which condemned them to condoning far worse, as we are now witnessing on an industrial scale.

Not the Marquis was insane (that’s why he inspired Pasolini to make his Salò). They are.

[Michel Leclerc]

Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
Video with English subtitles

https://twitter.com/djuric_zlatko/st...03395565707264

Truth, pure.