Exo-Biospheric-Organisms (EBO) | A microbiologist writes

[Tintin]

See Q&A section:

"Finally, note that this information comes from a document whose author was directly interacting with an EBO. It is not specified whether it was an ambassador, a crash survivor, a prisoner. The means of communication were not specified either."

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An absolutely fascinating, and technically detailed (and quite long!) contribution on Reddit posted yesterday.

I'm only part way through this, but this does have the ring of authenticity to it.

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Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comm...t=1&utm_term=9

From the late 2000s to the mid-2010s, I worked as a molecular biologist for a national security contractor in a program to study Exo-Biospheric-Organisms (EBO). I will share with you a lot of information on this subject. Feel free to ask questions or ask for clarification

It seems like all my comments are being deleted. I will post answer at the end of the message.

From the late 2000s to the mid-2010s, I worked as a molecular biologist for a national security contractor in a program to study Exo-Biospheric-Organisms (EBO). The aim of the program was to elucidate the genome and proteome basis of these organisms. Although the study of OBCs has been going on for decades in other programs, the new high-throughput DNA sequencing technologies of the late 90s unblocked stagnant research in this area. Since then, several breakthroughs have led to significant advances in our understanding of the genome and proteome of these beings. What we've learned so far has enabled us to outline some disconcerting perspectives about our place in this universe. Briefly, we've discovered that the EBO genome is a chimera of genomes from our biosphere and from an unknown one. They are artificial, ephemeral and disposable organisms created for a purpose that still partially eludes us. I'll be substantiating my statements after a brief introduction.

The reason for disclosing these secrets is quite simple. I believe that every human being has the right to know the truth, and that to progress, humanity needs to divest itself of certain institutions and organizations that will probably not survive these revelations in the long term. I'm aware that I'll have very little impact in this regard, but I still believe that small leaks are necessary to break the dam of misinformation on this subject. When the governments will eventually reveal these secrets, there will undoubtedly be a societal upheaval, but in my opinion, the longer we wait, the worse it will be. I choose to divulge what I know anonymously out of selfishness for the well-being of myself and my family. I'm aware that this diminishes the reach and credibility of my message, but it's the furthest I am willing to go. I chose this forum because it offers a good compromise between anonymity and popularity. In order to protect my anonymity, I will be purposely vague or even contradictory about any information that could identify me (date, education, role etc.). I'll even introduce red herrings in this respect. I want to make it clear that any information related to the subject of the research will not be treated in this way.

Before going any further, please excuse me if you find it difficult to understand what I'm explaining. Some parts of my text are very technical. It's difficult to find the right balance between vulgarization and scientific explanation. I'll continue by talking about myself. What's the point of talking about me knowing that the information will necessarily be misleading? I simply want to introduce a perspective on the type of people who work there, normal scientists. I have a Ph.D. in molecular biology. I didn't actively seek to be part of this program, rather it was a stroke of luck that introduced me to one of the senior scientists. I met this person at a conference where I was presenting a poster on my Ph.D. research. When I think back, I don't believe he was impressed by what I was presenting, because it was quite frankly a project that wasn't going anywhere. I think it was rather the most important aspect of a professional life: the attitude and the ease with which you make connections. Shortly afterwards, I graduated and received a call from this person offering me a position. At the time, everything pointed to me working in a regular laboratory.

I did a series of three increasingly suspicious interviews, each in a different location, where my scientific background and knowledge became less and less relevant. The first was with two of the senior scientists, the second and third with people I've never seen again and who were obviously not interested in science. Sometime after the interview, I was asked to go to a fourth location where what seemed like a corporate lawyer presented me with an NDA. He made sure not only to explain every detail, but also that I understood the consequence of not respecting it.

The first Employment weeks were by far the most memorable, although I spent most of that time in a depressing archive room. It consists almost exclusively of reading about the subject of study and to get us up to speed. There's no secret Wikipedia or even a reference book to guide us. There are only dry reports, memos, presentations, procedures and SOPs. These documents are almost exclusively about the biology of EBOs, but there are also a few that deal with other subjects such as their food, religion or culture. There were no documents on their technology.

As mentioned above, the aim of the project is to gain a better understanding of the EBO genome and proteome. To achieve this, a team of around twenty scientists, four senior scientists and a director was involved. The scientists, like myself, had as their main responsibility to carry out the technical work. As each scientist had to my knowledge a Ph.D., we were all somewhat overqualified for what is ultimately a technician's job. The senior scientists, who make full use of their diplomas, had the task of designing the assays and had a supervisory responsibility. They were also in charge of training new employees, and sometimes even came in to do technical work. The director, of course, was the person in charge who dictated priorities to the senior scientists. He was rarely on site, and the few times he was, it was to attend meetings. Other than the scientific staff, there were security guards working for one subcontractor or another. There were no support staff such as janitors or maintenance workers. Scientists were responsible for this kind of work. In addition, logistical constraints ensure that every scientist is capable of carrying out any technical activity.

The laboratory itself is located in Fort Detrick, Maryland, in a building used for legitimate biomedical research. The clandestine operations are carried out in a restricted part of the basement, out of sight from regular workers. Contrary to what one might imagine, the biosafety level is not maximal for this type of research. Indeed, the lab containing EBO samples or derived cell cultures is BSL3, while the lab where assays are conducted are only BSL2. The BSL3 area of the facility includes a freezer room and a cell culture lab and is only accessible through an antechamber from the BSL2 section. EBO carcasses are preserved in horizontal freezers at a temperature of -80°C nominal. To maximize the preservation of these carcasses, they are preserved in vacuum bags and the air in the room is controlled to minimize humidity. There are only four bodies and none of them are complete. It's obvious that these creatures have died as a result of major trauma. I've never witnessed a motorcycle accident fatality, but it probably looks similar to this. It is acknowledged that there are more EBOs caracasses at other locations. The cell culture laboratory, as its name suggests, is where cell lines derived from EBOs are grown and related activities are performed. I'll talk in more detail about these specific cell lines later on. The BSL2 part is mainly used for assays, immunohistochemistry, genetic engineering, immunocytochemistry, storage etc. There's also a cell culture lab, but this is used for more traditional cell lines. Other than the labs, there are all the amenities you could find in an office. Note that the internet access is limited to senior staff and up. There is, however, an intranet for bioinformatics needs.

On the subject of the biology of these beings, I'll start by discussing genetics, then their gross anatomy and finally their biological systems. For the sake of clarity, the information that I provide here is an aggregation of what I have observed and what I have read. I will make many comparisons with human anatomy because it is the most logical reference.

Genetics:

First, I'd like to discuss their genetics. Their genetics are like ours, based on DNA. This fact was very puzzling for me when I first learned about it. We imagine that beings from an alternate biosphere would have genetics based on a completely foreign biochemical system and surprisingly, this is not the case. Several conclusions can be drawn from this surprising revelation. The one that immediately comes to mind is that our biosphere and theirs share a common ancestry. They're eukaryotes, which means their cells have nuclei containing genetic material. Which suggests that their biosphere would have been separated from ours sometime after the appearance of this type of organism. The term Exo-Biospheric-Organism is actually a misnomer, but as it's a historical term, it's still used. Their genetics are not only based on the same genetic system, but they’re also even compatible with our own cellular machinery. This means that you can take a human gene and insert it into an EBO cell, and that gene will be translated into protein, and this of course works in reverse with a human gene inserted into an EBO cell. There are important differences in post-translational modifications that will make the final protein non-functional, but I'll discuss these later. Their genome consists of 16 circular chromosomes.

You're probably familiar with the concept of intergenic region or "junk DNA". These are basically DNA sequences that don't code for proteins. These are evolutionary residues, transposons, inactivated genes and so on. To give you an idea, in humans, intergenic regions represent approximately 99% of our genome. I'm aware that these sequences aren't completely useless, they can be used as histone anchors, as buffers to protect coding DNA from radiation or even as alternative open reading frames, but that's rather peripheral.

What's particularly striking about the EBO genome is the uniformity of these intergenic regions. We see the same sequences repeated everywhere, and the distance in bp between the genes is virtually the same throughout their genome. The result is a minimalist, highly condensed genome. In fact, it's much smaller than ours. Moreover, the quantity of protein-coding genes is even significantly lower than ours, probably due to genetic refinement but also to biological processes that are absent in EBO. The uniformity of these sequences is a major indication of the artificiality of these beings. There is no complex organism on earth that has such elegance in its sequences. There is no evolutionary pressure that can lead to this kind of characteristic other than genetic engineering.

Speaking of genetic engineering, following sequencing of their genomes, we noticed a troubling and universal characteristic in the 5' of the regulatory sequence of each gene which we call the Tri-Palindromic Region. The TPR are 134bp sequences containing, as its name suggests, 3 palindromes. In genetics, a palindrome is a DNA sequence that when read in the same direction, gives the same sequence on both DNA strands. They serve both as a flag and as a binding site for proteins.

The three palindromes in the TPR are distinct from one another and have been poetically named "5'P TPR", "M TPR" and "3' TPR". The TPR is composed (in 5' - 3' order) of 5'P TPR, 12bp spacer, Chromosomal address, 12bp spacer, M TPR, 12bp spacer, Gene address, 12pb spacer and 3' TPR. The chromosomal address is composed of 4 bp and is identical in each TPR of the same chromosome, but distinct between each of the 16 chromosomes of the genome. The Gene address is a 64bp sequence that is unique for each gene in the whole genome. It's therefore understandable that the TPR serves as a unique address not only for numerically identifying a gene, but also for identifying its chromosomal location. For those with only a basic knowledge of genetics, this is completely unheard of. No living thing in our biosphere has this kind of precise address in its genome. Once again, the presence of TPR cannot be explained by evolutionary pressure but only by genetic engineering on a genomic scale.

TPR opens the door to several possibilities. One of them suggests that EBO geneticists can insert or remove a gene from a cell in a way that is far more targeted and efficient than our technology allows. No proteins have been identified in the EBO genome that interacts with TPR. Rather, we believe that these proteins are exclusively targeted by external genetic engineering tools, probably used at the zygotic stage of embryonic development. The nature of these tools is unclear, but we definitely don't have anything like them.

The probable absence of these proteins from the genome is a further indication of their artificiality. Given the high probability of artificiality of their genome and the apparent ease of modifying it with biomolecular tools, it's not out of the question that there could be polymorphism between individuals depending on their role and function. In other words, an individual could be genetically designed to have characteristics that give it an advantage in performing a given task, like soldier ants and worker ants in an anthill. Note that these previous statements are speculation. To my knowledge only one individual genome has been sequenced, I can't make a definitive statement on genetic variation between individuals.

I've talked a lot about intergenic regions, now I'll briefly discuss intragenic sequences. Briefly, because there's not a lot less to say despite its obvious importance. Much like ours, their genes have silencers, enhancers, promoters, 5'UTRs, exons, introns, 3' UTRs etc. There are many genes analogous to ours, which is not surprising given the compatibility of our cellular machinery. What's disturbing is that some genes correspond directly, nucleotide by nucleotide, with known human genes or even some animal genes. For these genes, there doesn't seem to be any artificial refinement but rather a crude copying and pasting. Why they do it is nebulous and still subject to conjecture. There are also many genes which are not found in our biosphere whose role has not been identified. Finding the purpose of these novel genes is one of the aims of the program. I'd like to note before going any further that this heterogeneity of genes of known and unknown origin is an undeniable proof of the artificiality of EBOs.

To conclude with genetics, the mitochondrial genome, at the time I was working there, had not yet been sequenced. It's safe to assume that this genome would also be streamlined and possibly has some version of TPR.

Transcription and translation and protein expression.

I briefly introduced the differences in post-translational modifications between human and EBO. This is hardly a surprise, as we often see the same thing between different terrestrial species. Obtaining a viable protein from a DNA sequence is a complex process involving hundreds of protein intermediates, each with a precise and essential role. A minor variation in this assembly line can lead to functional irregularities in the final product. So, it's no surprise that there are setbacks along the way when the first EBO gene transfection attempts failed to produce the desired functional protein in human cell lines. Fortunately for us, the work of what I imagine to be another team at another site has led to the development of an EBO cell line named EPI-G11 derived from epithelial tissues.

With this tool in our hands, we were able to transfect and overexpress proteins of interest in order to eventually purify and study them. For your information, we use a biological ballistics delivery system (AKA gene gun) for our transfection needs because other methods are not very effective with cells of this line. For example, the viral vectors tested cannot be internalized by EPI-G11 and lipofection is too lethal. EPI-G11, like most eukaryotic cell lines, enters a phase of exponential growth when exposed to Fetal Bovine Serum. It's only half surprising that a cell line from such an exotic source should be sensitive to the growth factors present in FBS. In my opinion, this can be explained by the addition of animal genes to the genome, such as growth receptors.

Gross anatomy:

They are morphologically very similar to the grey aliens that are part of modern folklore. Their height is about 150cm, they have two arms, two legs and a head. Still, there are some notable differences.

Skin: The grey skin that is often described in folklore is in fact a biosynthetic film which, likely, serves to protect the EBO from a hostile environment. It doesn't provide effective protection against temperature changes, but it does offer adequate protection against the passage of liquids. It's possible that this film confers other advantages but my knowledge on the subject is limited. Under the grey film, the epidermis is rather white, and the texture is very regular and without any hair. We do not see any defect other than the folds near the joints. It's described as greasy in one report, but that's not something I've observed. The same report states that a strong, lingering smell of burnt hair and ammonia is present when the film is removed. There are a lot of pores on the skin, crossing from the epidermis to a gland in the hypodermis. These glands and pores are the terminal part of the excretory-sudoriferous system, which could explain the previously mentioned smell.

Head: The head contains two large, oversized eyes, two nostrils without protuberance, a narrow mouth without lips and two ear canals without auricles. There is a mandible, but the musculature is vestigial. There are no teeth or tongue in the oral cavity. The nasal cavity where the nostrils meet is compact and does not rise cranially but extends axially. There appears to be no equivalent to the olfactory bulb in the nasal cavity. The mouth leads directly to the esophagus and the nasal cavity to the trachea. The trachea and esophagus do not communicate.

Eye: Like the skin, the eyes are covered with a semi-transparent biosynthetic film that offers the same environmental protection, while providing protection against certain wavelengths and light intensity. When the film is removed, a more traditional eye is revealed. It's about three times larger than a human eye and there are no eyelids. The size of their eyes suggests they have excellent night vision. It seems paradoxical to cover them with a semi-opaque film. Perhaps they only need to wear it in a bright environment. Their sclera is the same color as their skin, the iris is pale grey, and the pupil is black and oversized. The lens is rounder than a human, and the musculature used to adjust focus is more developed. On the retina, there are at least 6 types of cone cells. The responsiveness of each of these 6 types of cone is specific to a wavelength band, with a minimum of overlap between each other. The result is a broader visible spectrum.

Ear: As mentioned, the outer ear has no auricle and the ear canal is unremarkable. The inner ear has all the characteristics of a typical vestibular and cochlear system, although the curvature of the cochlea is more pronounced than a human. This probably results in greater hearing acuity for low frequencies.

Brain: The brain is tetraspheric, i.e. composed of four major sections. The sections are separated by transverse and longitudinal fissures and are connected to the central lobe, which acts as brainstem and cerebellum. The volume of the brain is around 20% superior to that of a man of the same height. It has a much more pronounced level of gyrication than an average human. Moreover, the ratio of glial cells to neurons is also slightly higher than in humans. It is important to mention the presence of nodules on the central lobe. Histological analysis of these structures reveals a kind of intricate biological circuitry. It is speculated that these nodules are essential to interact with their technology. Consequently, determining the proteome of these structures is an absolute priority for the program.

Neck: The neck is proportionally longer than that of a human, and at the same time relatively thin. As mentioned, the esophagus and trachea are separate. There are no vocal cords in this region.

Thorax: The musculature of the thorax is underdeveloped. Muscles equivalent to the pectoralis major can be seen. We can also see the trapezius and deltoid muscles. The sternocleidomastoids are well defined. The ribs and sternum are clearly visible. There are no nipples.

Abdomen: The abdomen is wider than the thorax and bulges slightly forward. There is no navel.

Pelvis: The pelvic bones are apparent. There are no genitals or anus.

Hands and feets: Their hands have four digits, including an opposable thumb on the medial side. They have no nails, and the texture of their fingerprints is composed of concentric circles. Fingers are proportionally much longer than in humans. Unlike humans, finger musculature is entirely intrinsic to the hand. In other words, the muscles used to move the fingers are not in the forearms but entirely located in the hands. At first glance, the feet consist of just two digits, but a necropsy soon determined that each toe was made of two fused digits. The medial toe is marginally longer than the distal toe. The feet are relatively longer and narrower than in a human. Their musculature, however, is vestigial.

The EBOs endoskeleton is very similar to ours, at least in terms of composition. There's collagen, hydroxyapatite but also copper oxide crystals where marrow would normally be found. The role of these crystals has not been established, but it is not a crystalopathic condition. The blood cells of the myeloid lineage (or the equivalent for these creatures) therefore mature in a different location than in humans i.e. in the thymus like organ. A transverse section of the bone reveals osteon and osteocytes. There appear to be few osteoblasts and no osteoclasts. This indicates that the bones are no longer growing and cannot absorb the minerals present or adapt mechanically to changes in posture.

Biological system:

Respiratory system: Their cellular respiration is equivalent to ours, i.e. they need to oxidize organic components to produce energy. Their lungs have no reciprocating action, but rather have a unidirectional flow of air, similar to those seen in birds, which is more efficient than ours. It is speculated that this is in response to the brain's elevated metabolic needs. Vocalization is produced by vibration of the wall membrane at the junction between the two air sacs.

The Circulatory system of EBOs is rather analogous to ours. The heart is located in the mediastanum, but in a more medial position, directly beneath the sternum. The heart has two ventricles and two atria. There is an aorta, a pulmonary vein, a pulmonary artery and a vena cava. Blood flowing to the pulmonary capillaries via the pulmonary artery is pumped against the flow of air, maximizing gas exchange efficiency. The blood gas barrier is relatively narrow in these capillaries, at least compared to a human. Then oxygen-rich blood is returned to the heart and then expelled into the aorta and the rest of the body. Before returning to the heart, the blood will pass through the hepatorenal organ which, among other things, filters and controls osmotic pressure of the blood.

The blood itself is also analogous to that of a human. However, the proportion of plasma is much higher, albumin is in similar proportion ,hormone levels are much lower, metal ion levels are much higher (particularly copper) and glucose levels are significantly higher. The color of the blood is brownish, given the higher proportion of plasma and concentration of metal ions. On the cellular side, there are erythrocytes which, in addition to hemoglobin for binding oxygen, display several complexes capable of binding copper ions. It's not clear what role these copper ions play but we believe it neutralizes blood ammonia, among other things. Several cell types with leukocyte characteristics have been observed, but no comprehensive knowledge of them exists. Platelets are present, but in smaller proportions than in humans.

Excreto-sudoriferous system: This system is completely different from what I've seen. As mentioned earlier, there is no large orifice, like an anus or urethra, to get rid of biological waste. Instead, there are countless small pores on the surface of the skin. There's a large medial organ called the hepatorenal organ, which acts as both kidney and liver and is central to maintaining homeostasis. This organ is highly vascularized and the blood must pass through it before returning to the heart. Its role is, among other things, to purify the blood of metabolic waste. Waste is excreted into the equivalent of a ureter, which branches out into four. Each branch flows towards one of the four limbs and in turn these branches divide until they end up as thousands of excretory pores. The motility of this excretory system is mediated by a weak peristalsis at the proximal level and on the four main branches. Peristalsis ceases around the first distal junction. As there is no urea cycle, the ammonia concentration at the exit of the hepatorenal organ is very high. This ammonia is carried to the pores and gives the distinct odor I mentioned earlier. The rationale behind this unusual excretory system is directly related to this excreted ammonia, which enables thermoregulation by evaporating on the skin's surface. The greater the physical effort, the greater the metabolism. This in turn leads to a rise in temperature, and a corresponding increase in metabolic waste via amino acid catabolism. This leads to an increase in filtration and ammonia excretion, which ultimately lowers body temperature.

Digestive system: The digestive system is extremely underdeveloped. There's no there is no stomach in the familiar sense. However, there is a pseudo-stomach located at the transition between the thoracic and abdominal cavities. This organ is not involved in digestion, but only serves as a reservoir. A sphincter controls the flow of food into the intestine. The intestine is limited to the equivalent of our small intestine, i.e. it only serves to absorb liquids and nutrients and acts as the main digestion site. It has villi and microvilli like ours. The intestine ends in the hepato-renal organ, where non-digested matter is transported to the ureter and excretory system. Residues are dissolved in the ammonia of metabolic waste for excretion. There's an organ near the pseudostomachal sphincter that secretes digestive enzymes directly into the intestine. This organ is inspirationally called the digestive organ. It secretes mainly proteolytic enzymes and glycoside hydrolases.

Given the absence of teeth, the narrowness and rigidity of the esophagus, the absence of a true stomach and the absence of defecation, it is strongly believed that EBOs can only consume food in liquid form. It is assumed that, given the high metabolic needs of their brains, this food would have a high carbohydrate concentration. In order to meet other metabolic needs, there must also be a high protein content in the food consumed. These two statements are supported by the type of enzyme secreted by the digestive organ. It is therefore speculated that the food consumed is a sort of broth rich in sugar and protein, which probably also has a high copper content. Given the strict limitations on the type of food that they can consume, it's unlikely that this type of creature could survive in our biosphere without technological support.

Endocrine system: Knowledge of the endocrine system is minimal. We know that cells are receptive to bovine growth hormones, so it's assumed that certain functions are regulated by such a system. Endocrine mechanisms are very complex, and it goes without saying that they are best studied on living subjects.

Immune system: The immune system is another unknown. There seems to be an innate immune system but there doesn't seem to be any adaptive immunity, at least not similar to what is known. There's a thymus-like organ near the heart that's proportionally larger than in humans. This organ seems to be where all blood cells mature. Some cells have leukocyte characteristics such as granularity. The immune cells that germinate here have a high copper concentration. The surface receptors of innate immune cells have not yet been characterized, so we might as well say that all the work remains to be done.

Nervous system: The nervous system is also relatively similar. The spinal cord begins at the base of the central lobe of the brain and propagates down the vertebral column. In the vertebrae there are ganglia made of afferent and efferent neurons. In short, other than the CNS, there is nothing out of the ordinary.

Musculoskeletal system: The musculoskeletal system is very ordinary, albeit underdeveloped. Most of the human skeletal muscles have an equivalent. Only the hands, feet and forearms are different. It should be noted that the proportion of type 1 and type 2 muscle fibers is different from that in a human. Indeed, type 1 outnumbers type 2 by about a factor of 10.

Artificial system: We speculate that artificial molecular machines may be present in the body, and that copper, if present, would be essential to their function or assembly. Importantly, no AMMs have been observed.

[Tintin]

Question 1: Amazing story. Have you shared this with the Senate Select Commission on Intelligence or with AARO and do you have evidence to back this up?

Thank you, no I haven't and no I won't. It sounds like a honey trap to me. I will not place my life in the hands of politicians. I have no proof other than this message. I know it's not much but it's what I'm prepared to offer

Question 2: Well that was a read ... So they are bio engineered worker bees... Any elemental components that are unutributal to our biome ?

Yes, knowing that they're disposable, unable to live independently without technological support, and that they're ephemeral. The only suitable hypothesis is that they are alive only to accomplish their task. Can you clarify your question about elemental components?

Question 3: I havent read everything in detail but can you expend on the document on their religion?

EBOs believe that the soul is not an extension of the individual, but rather a fundamental characteristic of nature that expresses itself as a field, not unlike gravity. In the presence of life, this field acquires complexity, resulting in negative entropy if that makes sense. This gain in complexity is directly correlated with the concentration of living organisms in a given location. With time, and with the right conditions, life in turn becomes more complex until the appearance of sentient life. After reaching this threshold, the field begins to express itself through these sentient beings, forming what we call the soul. Through their life experiences, sentient beings will in turn influence the field in a sort of positive feedback loop. This in turn further accelerates the complexity of the field. Eventually, when the field reaches a "critical mass", there will be a sort of apotheosis. It's not clear what this means in practical terms, but this quest for apotheosis seems to be the EBOs main motivation.

The author of the document added his reflections and interpretations as an appendix. He specified that, for them, the soul field is not a belief but an obvious truth. He also argues that the soul loses its individuality after death, but that memory and experience persist as part of the field. This fact would influence the philosophy and culture of EBOs, resulting in a society that doesn't fear death but which places no importance or reverence on individuality. This "belief" compels them to seed life, shape it, nurture it, monitor it and influence it for the ultimate purpose of creating this apotheosis. Paradoxically, they have little or no respect for an individual's well-being.

Please be advised that I'm speaking from memory of something I read more than 10 years ago, so take the following with a grain of salt. Also, I'm not a philosopher or an artist, so please excuse my struggle to properly formulate the concepts and my dry terminology. Finally, note that this information comes from a document whose author was directly interacting with an EBO. It is not specified whether it was an ambassador, a crash survivor, a prisoner. The means of communication were not specified either.

Question 4: Wtf he dropped the location of the lab

Battelle National Biodefense Institute. It is on google map

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Very impressive. Though impossible to authenticate, for certain, it reads very well indeed as a whistleblower statement, and more so after the responses of persons qualified in this field.

Awesome read. I've worked in a bsl3 lab. I can attest that this person, at the very least has actual hard-core lab experience. I've found nothing questionable in the semantics. When I saw your heading on autoimmunity, I was about to be skeptical about how you could gather very much info from a carcass, and then your response was basically "unknown, aside from organs" which makes a lot of sense. If you are sincere I hope you stay safe friend.

I’m an entomologist. I understood the text and I’m utterly fascinated by the implications here, and also slightly disturbed.

So basically, if they could run, the sweat is essentially urine/excrement as well, and the evaporation cools the body. Ammonia evaporates at a much lower temp than water, so I’m assuming the method would be more effective??

What of bacteria? With that excrement system, I’m assuming a buildup of waste under the biofilm. When exposed to our environment, how could they survive without some opportunistic bacterial infections? I see the immune system hasn’t been deeply studied yet, but has there been any signs of infections or susceptibility to our native microbiome?

I'm going to paste my comment from the other thread:

For those that are not aware, this guy is definitely trained in biology. If this is a larp - he definitely has a biochem background and is very creative. This is leagues above any other larp I have seen.

The part that really sticks out to me is the TPR with the 4 BP segment to identify the chromosome as well as the 64 BP segment that is unique to each gene. That is very creative if he made it up. Has anyone with a bio or sci fi background seen that idea expressed before?

I could see anatomy stuff just being made up... But his reasoning for why the genome of the EBO is artificial is so creative that it rings true. This post is wild.

If you larping OP - hats off to you. I would read your book.

The excretion of waste thought their skin has been discussed by John Lear in the following interview. The relevant section of the interview is at 6:20

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ItRiw2...4gbGVhcg%3D%3D

Regarding the event that occurred in Varginha Brazil, the mention of a terrible smell of ammonia, coupled to the solider’s death through a form of severe sepsis would appear to be consistent with this report concerning their digestive system.

I feel this may not be a LARP nor AI

So I have a biology background & work in a lab. Not going to say more. I also have an avid interest in genetics and have read countless works on evolutionary biology from Dawkins to Darwin to Gould. I have worked on expression & extraction of proteins of interest from micro organisms like ecoli. The whole upstream downstream process. Microbiologists would understand. Anyways, the terminology & precision in this post not only indicate the expertise of the author but also lend authenticity. Copy and save the text of this post. I bet this will be taken down.

It's long been my belief that the greys [of a certain type] are indeed like worker bees. Their bodies are lab-grown, and though essentially biological like us, they're more like disposable bio-suits. These entities operate as a hive collective, and they can insert themselves (their energy), or in a manner of speaking incarnate, almost at will - from one lab-grown body to another as needed.

[mountain_jim]

Thanks much for bringing this to our attention.

Fascinating - and matches my suppositions on the greys as well based on the information from my readings, but no direct experiences.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Another noteworthy factor.

Consider this fascinating excerpt:

EBOs believe that the soul is not an extension of the individual, but rather a fundamental characteristic of nature that expresses itself as a field, not unlike gravity. In the presence of life, this field acquires complexity, resulting in negative entropy if that makes sense. This gain in complexity is directly correlated with the concentration of living organisms in a given location. With time, and with the right conditions, life in turn becomes more complex until the appearance of sentient life. After reaching this threshold, the field begins to express itself through these sentient beings, forming what we call the soul. Through their life experiences, sentient beings will in turn influence the field in a sort of positive feedback loop. This in turn further accelerates the complexity of the field. Eventually, when the field reaches a "critical mass", there will be a sort of apotheosis. It's not clear what this means in practical terms, but this quest for apotheosis seems to be the EBOs main motivation.

For a biologist, and coming from a report he read ten years ago, these are some pretty abstract concepts to put into words. Yet he does so with clarity and articulation.

He said he would be deliberately vague with certain details that might identify him, and I quote [with] "date, education, role etc."

This leads me to "suspect" his knowledge is current, and not from his work in "the late 2000s to the mid-2010s". And maybe, he isn't just a low-down sub-contractor either.

[Bill Ryan]

Tintin, do please continue to update this new thread if you can. There must be a whole cascade of questions, and hopefully some interesting answers.

Even just as a start (I can think of many more questions than this!), I'd love to know

• Where their home planet is;
• What was their own evolutionary history (and the history of their civilization);
• What is the history and purpose of their interaction with humans;
• If the anatomy of other ET beings has been studied as well;
• Whether the beings' brains are augmented technologically in any way;
• If there's any indication that these beings are cloned (and if so, who by);
• What else may have been learned from them, about absolutely anything at all.
  
  

[Dorjezigzag]

This is getting a lot of traction. Joe Rogan has tweeted it.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

There was this stickied comment on that thread:

lukaron
15 hr. ago

As of 1129 hours, OP deleted their account.
They refused to provide verification of their identity and/or credentials.

So - take this write-up for what you will. There's no way to verify any of the above, but it does make for an interesting read. I surmise there will be no further communications or replies in this thread from OP unless they make a new account.

Also this:

Edit: Regarding the issues from earlier. We initially ran across this post in the automod which caught it due to low karma. u/Pics0rItDidntHapp3n approved it but then realized that OP's comments were being autoremoved. It wasn't until later that we figured out that their account was showing up as "shadowbanned." https://imgur.com/a/ZjRBEgc We don't know why it was shadowbanned but this was something we were not able to manipulate or remove on our end as r/aliens mods. I sent two messages - one to the admins at r/modsupport and one to r/reddit but received no reply as of yet. Every reply you see in the thread from OP was manually approved by the mods here.

We did make efforts to engage OP in modmail - see here: https://imgur.com/a/DObhD2N but as you can see, they weren’t willing to share information. So - verifying their identity was impossible, much less the truth of the story.

Unfortunately, I don't think we'll be hearing from him again.

But his info truly is fascinating. It reinforces a number of stories we've heard over the years. It jells quite a bit with some the original MJ-12 material. For instance the OP talks about their fluid intake, which must be high in sugars and protein (presumably copper too). In some of the early stories of EBEs kept in captivity (from crash retrievals), they were fed primarily on strawberry ice-cream (I think it was), and really liked it! Ice-cream is basically milk, which is high in protein and sugar, and it also contains copper.

Their driving urge for apotheosis ties in with another piece of information from the mythos: their keen interest in the Christ-potential of humans. This is something entirely alien to these beings, because they're not individualised like we are. Our individuality is divine in nature; it is perpetual and persists after death. When we consider one of the greys' most important projects - to blend our DNA with theirs, it could be more than just to create a hybrid and boost their gene pool. Perhaps [speculating here] they are attempting to synthesise or emulate human individuality, and therefore divinity itself (apotheosis).

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Posted by Dorjezigzag (here)
This is getting a lot of traction. Joe Rogan has tweeted it.

Holy heck. 2.3Million views already. In a few hours. Traction? That's an avalanche.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Oh, a heads up apparently.

Doesn't mean it's fake.

It does make the '2000-2010' time-frame more plausible. How and why it's reappeared now is the big question. And is the original poster on Above Top Secret the same as today's poster on Reddit?

Expect the debunkers to crawl out from under their rocks.

[noprophet]

Posted by Tintin (here)
Battelle National Biodefense Institute. It is on google map

4chan ran a thread on Battelle for like 2 weeks recently. lots of connections. they own every national lab in the US, are a no-tax charity org, and there's a good chance if something's being reverse engineered, they're involved.

Pretty big pic, so not going to embed, but some Battelle stuff here: https://i.imgur.com/VaViE9Y.png

[Ewan]

My default position on information like this is to cautiously accept it until proven otherwise, because, were I to dismiss it out of hand I would be far less inclined to look at further data. Similar to the 'innocent until proven guitly' reasoning I suppose.

Having said that, I did wonder if it might be a test of a new AI writer and it was a couple of comments in the replies above that triggered that thought. A lot of us here have a highly developed interest in the extra-terrestrial field and there must be reams of data out there. I'd wager not one of us has studied anything close to all of it nor recall more than 10% of that. An AI could have though, in addition to everything there is to know about molecular biology and related fields. A next gen AI program would presumably have refined communication skills, each iteration increasing in complexity and a sense of authenticity.

If that was written as an AI test then simply no (new) information could be trusted anymore.

Anyway, to reiterate, it was all very believable to me.

[sunwings]

23 key points summarized below.


1. Our biosphere and theirs share a common ancestry

2. Only 4 bodies were examined, none complete; died due to major trauma.

3. Lab is in Fort Detrick, Maryland. At Battelle National Biodefense Institute. Operations carried out in restricted part of the basement.

4. What's particularly striking about the EBO genome is the uniformity of these intergenic regions.The uniformity of these sequences is a major indication of the artificiality of these beings.

5. The presence of TPR (tri-palindromic region) cannot be explained by evolutionary pressure but only by genetic engineering on a genomic scale.

6. An individual could be genetically designed to have characteristics that give it an advantage in performing a given task, like soldier ants and worker ants in an anthill.

7. What's disturbing is that some genes correspond directly, nucleotide by nucleotide, with known human genes or even some animal genes.

8. I'd like to note before going any further that this heterogeneity of genes of known and unknown origin is an undeniable proof of the artificiality of EBOs.

9. They are morphologically very similar to the grey aliens that are part of modern folklore. Their height is about 150cm, they have two arms, two legs and a head.

10. Skin: The grey skin that is often described in folklore is in fact a biosynthetic film which, likely, serves to protect the EBO from a hostile environment.

11. Brain: The brain is tetraspheric, i.e. composed of four major sections.

12. Nodules on central lobe. It is speculated that these nodules are essential to interact with their technology.

13. Hands and feet: Their hands have four digits, including an opposable thumb on the medial side.

14. At first glance, the feet consist of just two digits, but a necropsy soon determined that each toe was made of two fused digits.

15. The blood itself is also analogous to that of a human. However, the proportion of plasma is much higher.

16. The color of the blood is brownish.

17. Waste system: Instead, there are countless small pores on the surface of the skin. Ammonia is key.

18. It is strongly believed that EBOs can only consume food in liquid form. It is therefore speculated that the food consumed is a sort of broth rich in sugar and protein.

19. Yes, knowing that they're disposable, unable to live independently without technological support, and that they're ephemeral. The only suitable hypothesis is that they are alive only to accomplish their task.

20. EBOs believe that the soul is not an extension of the individual, but rather a fundamental characteristic of nature that expresses itself as a field, not unlike gravity.

21. I have no knowledge of their potential influence on our evolution.

22. Only one genome has been sequenced so we cannot compare , but it is speculated that are all identical clones. Probably generated from the same source.

23. The hypothesis is that they were created to perform their tasks and be able to survive with only local resources. They must therefore be able to metabolize local organic resources.

[shaberon]

Posted by Mark (Star Mariner) (here)
This is something entirely alien to these beings, because they're not individualised like we are. Our individuality is divine in nature; it is perpetual and persists after death.

I am not so sure. I would say that "individuality" in the sense of "personality" is erased, and what persists might be called an "individual point of perception" without any attachments.

In that sense I might think the paragraph on "EBO religion" is the truest thing in there.

That is because I cannot confirm or deny the presence of bodies. And yes, though biologically doctoral beyond my comprehension, it would not be a problem for AI to belt out such stories.


On the other hand, if there really are bodies, I cannot fathom how that is a "national security interest", in the sense of why the population might freak out and go ballistic if the story hit MSM. Of course, that could be a false doctrine, if the aim is to observe how "controlled information" affects everyone, because once you spit it out, game over.

Of course, since they have the problem called "the American government lies about everything", then, they of course will never be taken seriously. But this thing came from ATS, which isn't any better, and already made the rounds of debunking, whatever that may mean.

2.3 million views on a 9-year necro is devious. Does that help "prove" something?

I am not trying to dis-prove it, but, this is something like an eighty-year-old hamster wheel.

[Michel Leclerc]

Thank you Mark and all other commenting members.

A few thoughts on this passage:

EBOs believe that the soul is not an extension of the individual, but rather a fundamental characteristic of nature that expresses itself as a field, not unlike gravity. In the presence of life, this field acquires complexity, resulting in negative entropy if that makes sense. This gain in complexity is directly correlated with the concentration of living organisms in a given location. With time, and with the right conditions, life in turn becomes more complex until the appearance of sentient life. After reaching this threshold, the field begins to express itself through these sentient beings, forming what we call the soul. Through their life experiences, sentient beings will in turn influence the field in a sort of positive feedback loop. This in turn further accelerates the complexity of the field. Eventually, when the field reaches a "critical mass", there will be a sort of apotheosis. It's not clear what this means in practical terms, but this quest for apotheosis seems to be the EBOs main motivation.

The author of the document added his reflections and interpretations as an appendix. He specified that, for them, the soul field is not a belief but an obvious truth. He also argues that the soul loses its individuality after death, but that memory and experience persist as part of the field. This fact would influence the philosophy and culture of EBOs, resulting in a society that doesn't fear death but which places no importance or reverence on individuality. This "belief" compels them to seed life, shape it, nurture it, monitor it and influence it for the ultimate purpose of creating this apotheosis. Paradoxically, they have little or no respect for an individual's well-being.

I have emphasised the parts which seem to contain, or reflect, a theology and a creationist/interventionist theory of evolution. There are a few apparent contradictions which can be resolved easily. It looks quite as what it is stated to be: information snippets obtained from hearsay or going through the primer the author had to peruse when being onboarded: an author who is a natural scientist, not a “man of letters”. Yet there are elements which raise my eyebrows with respect to its authenticity.

The key concepts are “soul”, “life”, “time” and “individuality”. An apparent contradiction: “soul” is a field, but it may lose its “individuality”.

The second sentence is strange, coming from a natural scientist: “complexity” and “negative entropy”, i.e. – its synonym – “information”, are, in this “belief system” context, practically synonymous.

Starting with “With time”, a dialectical process of interdependence is described. (Notice my use of words, which contains hidden tautologies: “With time” and “process” is the first (whatever happens “with time” is a process, and every process is, or becomes, “with time”); the second: when “interdependence” manifests as a “process” it is “dialectical”. I am indulging in this, because the author does. Let us see.)

The soul field “acquires” complexity. “Acquire” is a “process” [“non-stative”] verb. We may infer that there is a point in time (or rather out of time?) when the soul field does not have complexity. But if that is the case, is it a field at all? We should not think so, because how will we define a “field without complexity” in that case? Complexity (or information) is rather an essential, defining, characteristic of this (or any) field. But – the complexity may grow (cf. the process), namely “In the presence of life”.

This implies the idea that “life” is essentially linked to the soul field itself – as any good philosophical dialectician (schooled by reading Hegel (the real texts, in German)) would conclude.. and, that is soon enough confirmed by the following sentence :“This gain in complexity is directly correlated with the concentration of living organisms in a given location”. The dialectical relationship between “soul field” and “life” is in this “natural sciences”-like statement described as direct correlation (i.e. total correlation (!)) between defining complexity of the soul field and number (“concentration”) of instances of Life. In other words, when we try to lift the smokescreen of words a little by reducing their “number”, we may safely, in the Hegelian dialectical manner, conclude that the soul field and life are the same thing.

A field then exists that may have a “soul” aspect and a “life” aspect (“wave” and “particle“ anyone, “non-individuality” and “individuality” anyone?), which through Time, acquires complexity (information). This process, “with time”, “in turn”… Ay, there is the rub: this “in turn”, which implies that the dialectic interdependence can be observed (!) as either originating in the soul field and impacting life or originating in life and impacting the soul field, implies the presence of an observer — but would this observer, even if It is God, not observe the indistinguishability of those two arrows of influence, of time?

A small parenthesis for voicing my suspicion here. The way this process is tentatively, “amateurishly” described reminds me strongly of the reasoning, also tentative but not amateurish at all, and meant for the non-physicist or non-biologist, in Robert Temple’s recent A New Science of Heaven: How the New Science of Plasma Physics Is Shedding Light on Spiritual Experience, which I recommend to all members – in which he describes both technically and inspiredly the relationship between “Life”, “Spirit” and plasma, the fourth state of matter. (Plagiarising, or rather unceremoniously quoting Temple’s ideas without mentioning the source, seems to be popular. The at any rate always quite entertaining Dr. Farrell amply did so in an exchange of thoughts with Dark (“in the Light“) Journalist.)

Back to the text. “I am the way and the truth and the life”, says Jesus in John’s gospel, or, borrowing the language of the description of the “EBO belief system”, “I am Process, Information and God”.

This is, in the words of the text about the EBOs, “not a belief but an obvious truth”. The “obvious” aspect of it (the well-chosen “obvious” being the Latin obvius, which meant “approaching from ahead on the road” [ob: towards us” — via: way, road] implying that from a dialectical point of view the way and the truth and the life are the same. Which the son of Isis, or any bodhisattva, actually says, meeting us (from ahead).

As for our “individuality” – I have always felt and defended in writing that we are not “individuals” but “dividuals”. Think of it: “individual” – the Latin individuum – means: “which can not (in-) be divided” — and is actually the Latin translation of the Greek atomon – meaning: “which can not (a-) be cut” —, which yielded the English “atom”. Divided: from and into. Cut: off from and into. We will soon be dividing quarks, and, hence, quanta too.

Thus met, also we can say: we are process, information and god. Or, more humbly maybe, in the words of the master of masters, Ibn ‘Arabî: we are each of us one letter of the infinite number of letters of one of the infinite number of names of God. That may be good enough an apotheosis already.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Posted by shaberon (here)
it would not be a problem for AI to belt out such stories.

It would be in 2013, which is when this first broke. Think we can rule out AI generated.

Another very intriguing detail to take into account is this remark:

Eye: Like the skin, the eyes are covered with a semi-transparent biosynthetic film that offers the same environmental protection, while providing protection against certain wavelengths and light intensity. When the film is removed, a more traditional eye is revealed. It's about three times larger than a human eye and there are no eyelids.

That brings the infamous Santilli footage to mind. The removal, indeed, of a dark film-like substance from the surface of the eye.



Can be watched here in the Avalon library.

Regarding this film: I was less convinced by the 'hoax' theory than the original story. There's no way, when brining this footage to light, Santilli et al didn't tangle with some pretty powerful forces. It's likely they were at some point leant on to make a retraction and admit to a hoax. With subsequent developments however, there's been some compelling evidence to suggest the film is and always was genuine - at the very least it's a recreation, frame-for-frame, of a genuine alien autopsy.

More: CIA Senior Medical Officer Kit Green claims Alien Autopsy Footage is Real

[Vangelo]

I had a friend who I believed was involved in someway with extraterrestrial activities of the Department of Defense (he passed about 10 yrs ago). The only question he answered was "how will I know if someone has had a real ET encounter" He said, ask them to describe their hands. They have 4 very long fingers (not 5). They grasp by folding the hand in half so that the thumb folds over to the pinky. He did not mention them having thumbs.

Reading this description from above "... finger musculature is entirely intrinsic to the hand. In other words, the muscles used to move the fingers are not in the forearms but entirely located in the hands." I wonder if there is any correlation?

[shaberon]

Posted by Michel Leclerc (here)
A New Science of Heaven: How the New Science of Plasma Physics Is Shedding Light on Spiritual Experience, which I recommend to all members – in which he describes both technically and inspiredly the relationship between “Life”, “Spirit” and plasma, the fourth state of matter.

Here, you are picking up from the 1800s--recall Dr. Crookes, who discovered Plasma.

The Mahatmas said "if he tried again, he may have found the fifth state of matter".

By implication, it would be some kind of step higher from the brief description of the book--which perhaps tries to take that step?

Note that what science has come to define as the fifth state is the quite un-natural Bose Einstein Condensate, which occurs in states close to Absolute Zero. When this happens, an aggregate of matter behaves as a single atom. Light slows down to a refreshing thirty-seven miles an hour.

The only way you could get that state naturally is Heat Death, and, I do not suspect that has much to do with living organisms or souls. If necessary, I could admit it may be a "state of matter", but I thought solid--liquid--gas--plasma was an arrow pointing the opposite direction. BEC might be the "zeroth".


And yes, I realized the contradiction about AI and 2013 after I posted that, and just let it stand--good eye Mark.

In one sense, there would be nothing wrong about a "reminder" of this story, but again look at the "test of the waters" to see how much farther it already traveled. And it always makes me leery, since one of the directives in UFOlogy co-intel is to observe who spreads the stories...which may be less risky for millions of video viewers than in a time where a single connection might get you "visited".

I am also a bit concerned with the forced conclusion of "artificiality" and "engineering", which was a bit up front and ad hoc. Not much attempt at giving a "reproductive system", despite the "lack of genitals" might imply egg formation or asexual budding or something.

The sweating of waste and protective films seem more plausible for an "unusual" organism, since a human passes a small amount of urea in sweat, this would be an amplification, similar to a higher plasma level.

[Agape]

To me it looks like not-so-unusual-in-these-circles information cluster.
Nothing wrong with information clusters. But then ..

EBOs who are simple but perfectly coded, DNA based, engineered to perform tasks , resembling morphologically humans (though underdeveloped humans)
makes sense with couple obvious indications, that is providing
the above information would be accurate and unaltered:

These would not be the “real ones”( Mother civilisation ?) but biological drones or “programmed life forms” designed specifically to operate on this planet or even co-operate with humans.
Considering they’re much less physically evolved than modern humans and modern Homo sapiens sapiens would struggle to adjust and live in most extreme environments, other planets with different physical parameters etc.,
these entities are capable of surviving in limited conditions it seems to me,
one of theirs and some time in this world - possibly- the report does not say how long.

If they’re just biological drones , they don’t have to “believe” in anything than the intelligence who has created them and they won’t have any “ascension function” so debating religions with them or expecting any deeper answers about the Universe should be empty of substance.

They can’t be even returned to “original state” like any intelligent life form -not genetically engineered one- can be by reconstructing their genome because either they don’t posses the full sequence of it native to their “creators” ,
they’ve been specifically engineered to resemble humans biologically but there’s little we would understand about their creators real biology ( or spirituality )
the same way one could find about about humans from making of Alexa ( or even advanced android ) , in short,
such EBOs do not seem to represent their civilisation a lot but are more like “advanced toy”( in cosmic terms) to play human counterpart perhaps

so in either case the above information slightly contradicts itself in certain classical points ( but all in all there’s again simply not enough of it ,
especially head and feet) that is missing ).

Posted on ATS in 2013. Sounds familiar. Perhaps our koala bears are somewhat similar too


🐨

[Michel Leclerc]

In my philosophical interpretation of the “EBO belief system” I “obviously” made a mistake with my “suspicion”: the original text predates Robert Temple’s book by a decade.

Yet, as the “soul field” idea is strikingly congruent with Temple’s description of plasma and plasma clouds and as his book tends to show how our knowledge about plasma (clouds) has progressed over a century, all the while weaving a compelling texture from the contributions of dozens of scientists to the “field” — I guess that it is quite possible that the “belief system” has been progressively reconstructed by a similar gradually evolving understanding of those scientific leaps forward in the field of plasma studies, an understanding also supported probably by what alien autopsies and retro-engineering craft suggested as hypotheses.