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    Default Democracy: Stick a fork in it, it's done

    I've been meaning to start this thread for quite a while. It's very clear to me that 'democracy' has been a sham — and often a cynical, crooked, manipulated one — for decades, in almost every part of the world. (But significantly, not Crimea or the Donbass. )

    This new video from Chris Martenson made my decision to post this. He's outraged about the recent treatment of RFK Jr in the censorship hearings (when he himself was censored!), but there's a LOT more to this important topic than that.

    It's All Over! (Democracy, That Is)


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    Default Re: Democracy: Stick a fork in it, it's done

    • The "informed consent" principle (based upon trusting the right people) is one of the most important aspect of the Nuremberg Code of (Mass) Medical Experiments Ethics! ... So is our: "Democracy Experiment".
    ... that failed so many times on so many levels meanwhile people are trained not to see it anymore or play along acting like they do not see it >>> or worse: assuming it is normal to get lied too so much so they can not digest real truth anymore ... More and more people having >>> no discernment skills <<< exactly what the psychopathic control-freaks counting/depending on to be successful.
    • RFK Jr. knows this ... so should all of humanity!
    Big Mainstream Media Networks in all its forms including all written press on paper, Magazines, Scientific Publications, Radio, TV, Wikipedia, "Fact-checkers sites", mainstream media on internet are PROVABLE hijacked & corrupted <<< the main reason why the "informed consent" principle in any "experimental democracy" does not and can not work anymore.
    • And the same forces behind this major scheme blame anyone who tries to expose their scam as "a danger to democracy" >>> which is harrowing pathetic and super ironic/hypocritical.
    I noticed there is an agenda to make "truth" fluid... claiming: "everybody has his or her own truth" >>> which to a degree is a KNOWN psychological mechanism with everybody (including "die hard" scientists). But now it is used to push certain alleged "truths" as "unquestionable"

    ... and anything or anyone that exposes their schemes/lies with verifiable facts are not allowed to speak their truths ... thus "informed consent" is out of the window in our "democracy experiment" that is totally rigged >>> which you are not allowed to discuss.

    And the so-called "new normal people" are heavily conditioned to see it as it is all for "the greater good" (collectivism) believing/assuming they are "good people" which is KEY to understand how it all works!

    --o-O-o--

    Truly understanding what "Self-Determination Rights" are ... is KNOWING it is the exact opposite of what WEF minions are doing worldwide with their Technocratic Tyrannical Dystopian "Global Governance" aka "Agenda2030" & "NetZero2050"
    • Same psychopathic control-freaks pushing for conditional version of U.B.I.
    We live in a world that has hijacked governments: criminalizing real solutions (suppressed inventions/cures) and legalizing corporate crimes!

    "First they overlook evil, Then they permit evil. Then they legalize evil. Then they promote evil. Then they celebrate evil. Then they persecute those who still call it evil."
    • If we can succeed to find a way to empower/inspire enough key-people within corrupt systems (that want to enslave us) <<< that would be the first important step in: "Throwing Sand in their NWO Machine".
    As there are many insiders that falsely believe they are "good people" serving "the greater good" ... if some of them realize how they are mass hypnotized via NLP type techniques, becoming victim of Mass Formation Psychosis could be an important way to turn the tide!



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    Default Re: Democracy: Stick a fork in it, it's done

    Almost all important systems in our society we depend on are not only hijacked & totally rigged last decades, they also became tools for evil, and our Constitution, Bill of Rights & Nuremberg Code were created to prevent that from happening ... but:

    Somehow evil succeeded to convince the masses with their "new normal" agenda as something "good", normalizing insanity 24/7 (sacrificing more and more basic rights for their "greater good") <<< and when people believe they are "good people" >>> based upon (sophisticated) lies & deceit, there will be a price we all have to pay for people believing these massive scams & schemes.

    * Willful ignorance now will certainly not help when there will be a time when the majority finally finds out what really happened when they were sleeping in a "democracy" waking up in a technocratic dictatorship run/micromanaged by an immortal dictator far more powerful than any human tyranny ever was.

    Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is in my opinion far more aware (better informed) of these sophisticated schemes (aka conspiracies) than any other politician ... nobody comes even close to his level of awareness and has the will and the courage to address ALL issues that most do not want to discuss in both parties nor mainstream media.

    In my view, the main reason we do not like to be deceived by those who are PROVEN to be deceived is that these so-called: "good people" are the reason why Evil can impose new insane unconstitutional laws and take away fundamental human rights successfully all to serve "their greater good" based upon (unchallenged) PROVABLE LIES & DECEPTIONS >>> blindly trusted & believed by gullible "good people".
    • Without this mechanism, Evil would have ZERO CHANCE!
    Evil has a symbiotic relationship with gullible "good people" <<< and these so-called "good people" do not want to be challenged using all kinds of "guilt tactics" and "counter narratives" spoon-fed to them by among others totally corrupt "fact-checkers" sites. Who still are not held accountable for being provable wrong so many times ... meanwhile millions of people are wrongfully silenced, buried, flagged, shadowbanned, delisted, censored, losing their social media accounts etc. etc.

    Having a conspiracy theory is not that different from having a crime theory ... so who exactly benefits if certain crime theories are not further investigated and systematically downplayed & marginalized?

    * If a conspiracy is (partly) in the open does not make it any less criminal nor less harmful ...

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    Default Re: Democracy: Stick a fork in it, it's done

    Bill Thanks for posting this. i look forward to watching the video. i have always said that democracy is the best of all bad systems
    it's not the system that is the problem but rather the human being itself.

    Everyday I pass over things , stories, news, revelations, realities, things I hear ,witness and come across with an indifferent deadpan dismissal cause I cannot process any of it anymore with any kind of feeling ,accessibility or common sense attached.

    i watched a movie on a tv channel vice. The late night commercials being shown of what people are, what they do, how they look and act and what they are striving for looked like a commercial for the circus . As if the circus and the freak show I used to see as a kid was coming to town. Like Fellini's "La Strada" but now real everyday life

    and I look and accept it all with a strange sedated indifference . Add to this, on the journalism blogs and various sites, I see war footage from Ukraine posted with music production, sensational dramatic music as if this is entertainment. As if there is such a glut of excess created electronic music, art, or whatever that it needs to be dumped on top of every second we have to think and process things. The soldiers death is pointless, now, just a number

    i don't even believe I can quite hit the target of what I am trying to say . And I feel if i say EXACTLY what I want to say, I will be marred and labeled a title of a grand inaccuracy I will be marked with and unable to undo.
    so I will sit and stare mouth agape

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    Default Re: Democracy: Stick a fork in it, it's done

    When they claim "truth is fluid" (wokism/neo-marxism tactics) but at the same time they push their alleged "truths" as "unquestionable"
    • Part of me understands the psychological concept, but it is a whole different issue the moment they force/push/mandate/make their corrupted "truths" mandatory with HUGE (long term) consequences, especially in a rigged & super fragile "democracy" where counter-narratives are automatically flagged as: "fake news", "disinfo" or "misinfo" without allowing a debate! ... Thus, mass censorship became the "new normal" and still is.
    • Truth does not fear to be questioned, only lies does!
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    Default Re: Democracy: Stick a fork in it, it's done

    This other thread may be worth reading. But of course Meritocracy has its own serious issues, many of which are obvious.

    The premise, which is totally politically incorrect and as unwoke as one can imagine, is that some people are not well-informed enough to be entitled to vote. (I'd argue that quite strongly, but the remedies are very difficult and a system like that is almost as easy to manipulate and control.)

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    Default Re: Democracy: Stick a fork in it, it's done

    For me, personally, the shock comes from the lack of response the indifference by all I come in contact with.
    I work at a hotel and do delivery driving part time. I'm in contact with your common man.
    People simply don't care.
    People are brainwashed.
    If you try to talk to people they are triggered.
    No one is allowed to talk about anything controversial.
    What that really means is no one is allowed to talk about conservative matters.
    And if you mention Trump you're getting written up.
    But,,, you can talk and or say anything liberal leaning what so ever.

    I have witnessed the judicial system attack Trump nonstop for the past six or seven years and I'm not even allowed to talk about it. It's insane!!!!

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    Default Re: Democracy: Stick a fork in it, it's done

    Democracy or Republic, which is it? by Benedict D. LaRosa

    Years ago I found this little gem, it cleared many things for me... why?
    Because what must people don't know, the legal name of Argentina complete is: Republica Argentina.

    So, yes, Argentina is a Republic, not a democracy.

    Maybe this PDF may or not clarify something for you

    https://freedom-school.com/democracy-v-republic.html

    Apart from coup de tat from U.S sock puppets across decades (now outdated)
    the new attack come from inside the juristic apparatus...when ever not the middle or right win then come whatever crazy stuff from their putrid catalog...
    And they control the media too...

    Peronismo is not an angel too ( they have links, middle and right factions) BUT
    they are the only politic line oppose to dictators.

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    Default Re: Democracy: Stick a fork in it, it's done

    It's not dead, it's buried.

    Buried alive.

    It's up to us to realise we are seeds.
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    Default Re: Democracy: Stick a fork in it, it's done

    The American (and to a large extent, British) system of voting has a serious flaw in it - much of the time the people don't know why they vote the way they do.
    The one who gets elected is usually the one who can afford to spend great sums of money to tell the people how good he is, or otherwise has some kind of deep state backing.
    The voting system should be based on recognition of the real worth of the candidate, and his accomplishments, not on how much he spends to make his name known.
    The greatest scientists, engineers, writers, philosophers and thinkers should be given a strong voice in the selection of the candidates who run for government positions

    The wonderful thing about America when compared to almost every other nation on the planet is that everyone has a chance; it has been a "melting pot of nations."
    This meritocracy is being eroded and I pray that America never lose her universality where people can think and speak out freely, with no fear of being murdered, imprisoned, destituted or otherwise "cancelled".

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    Democracy is only as alive as the free speech that protects it. If there are 'hate speech' laws, where certain topics cannot be broached, then democracy under those conditions is dead. If the scientific community are subject to governmental review and sanction, if peaceful protest is outlawed, if the news and social media are censored and policed, if degrading social norms are under attack by the filth and depravity of a fringe group, if mobs of rioters and rogue violent protestors are protected by police while grandmothers are rounded up and held for questioning...then democracy is dead.

    When the general public no longer supports free speech and will not protest decaying social values, while tyranny runs rampant, democracy dies an ignoble death.
    Those that decry a dead democracy but refuse to support its cause, suffer the abuses they allow to happen in silence - like martyrs to a lost cause.

    Tyranny is the birthright of the apathetic.
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    Thank you Bill for Chris Martenson. Thank you John (Exomatrix) for your more than excellent synthesis and analysis.

    Adding two points to the meritocracy idea, which I defend – I prefer to call it aristocracy – in the Greek sense (not “the Royals”): rule by the best.

    One. In my professional life I have frequently confronted my students/trainees/clients with difficult music, difficult literature, difficult art, difficult thinking (philosophy).. difficult, but excellent, supreme, brilliant.. “true”/“good”/“beautiful”. Quite often I got protests: “this is very heavy stuff, haven’t you got something more simple, digest (etc.)”. My answer was always: “Only the best is good enough for you”. “How do you know it is the best?” My answer: “ I just know... But: I am not the only one in saying so. People whom I admire say this also. I have learnt from accepting their advice. Now let us start listening/reading/watching/thinking etc.”

    Only the greatest quality is good enough for us. We should continuously nourish ourselves with the greatest quality. Every time we feed ourselves with subtop quality we harm ourselves.. (Doug, you are so right about this cruel use of horrible music to underline deeds of war – where every one of the crushed soldiers deserves a long song of sadness and sorrow – a Benjamin Britten War Requiem just for him or her alone. But Doug, stop watching bad movies. Michel, stop watching those few minutes more of any violent and idiotic movie trailer YouTube suddenly confronts you with.)

    My students then followed me – I did seem to have that authority – and always changed their initial aversion. They would not necessarily run to the shop to immediately buy Bartok’s Music for Strings or a biography of Paul Klee, but they understood that those works have a deep meaning and would be worth their while to delve into them so as to enrich their bodies, souls and spirits spending some time of their finite life to this honing of their own worth in their own eyes. A Bach cure. A Michelangelo cure. A Spinoza cure. Lessons in admiration.

    Point two: often we had discussions about “democracy” and what it means. “Oh, one man one vote”. Really? Actually I think you are right (I am remembering typical dialogues here, and put my own voice out of the quotation marks) – but that is precisely the problem. “What do you mean?“ Not everybody deserves a vote. “What? That is dictatorship!” No, it is not. The people who insist on their right to vote without deserving it are the dictators. “How can that be?” Two things. One. Do you really think that people who almost every day profess that they “are not interested in politics” have the same right as you have who are actively interested in it and try to understand how politics may impact your life? Two. Haven’t you noticed that dictatorial governments arise in democracies because they are elected by people who “are not interested in politics”? “How are you going to change that?” I suggest that votes should be qualified. I do not have an absolute right to have one vote. I have the right to have anything between 0.75 and 1.25 of a vote – and voting will not only collect my voting but also present me with a test of my political interests, and tell me after my vote how much of a vote I obtained. (Big protests. Suddenly everybody was “interested in politics”.)

    I fear that the people who are asleep, John, are the ones who “have no interest in politics” and would certainly never want to fight or work to acquire their best possible vote – and it is the "democratic" system which is geared at having precisely their votes, the votes of disinterested and lazy people, and at gradually reducing their interest further. Politicians who are genuinely ambitious to design the best political courses for the genuine common good would be interested in the 1.2 votes and hence would court the approval of those who really want progress for humanity (or as Martenson calls it, a bit naively, “prosperity”).

    Alas, because people “who are interested in politics”, like us, like Kennedy Jr., are in the minority, we will not be able to prevail.

    That means that it will have to get (much) worse before it can become better indeed. And that worse will involve internecine and civil war, and self-sacrifice.

    Maybe the “End Times” will entail that “Christ returns” in the sense that hundreds of millions of people will prefer to drink the cup to its bitter end rather than give up their hunger for the truest, the best and the most beautiful that is “just good enough for them”..
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    Quote Posted by Michel Leclerc (here)
    Thank you Bill for Chris Martenson. Thank you John (Exomatrix) for your more than excellent synthesis and analysis.

    Adding two points to the meritocracy idea, which I defend – I prefer to call it aristocracy – in the Greek sense (not “the Royals”): rule by the best.

    One. In my professional life I have frequently confronted my students/trainees/clients with difficult music, difficult literature, difficult art, difficult thinking (philosophy).. difficult, but excellent, supreme, brilliant.. “true”/“good”/“beautiful”. Quite often I got protests: “this is very heavy stuff, haven’t you got something more simple, digest (etc.)”. My answer was always: “Only the best is good enough for you”. “How do you know it is the best?” My answer: “ I just know... But: I am not the only one in saying so. People whom I admire say this also. I have learnt from accepting their advice. Now let us start listening/reading/watching/thinking etc.”

    Only the greatest quality is good enough for us. We should continuously nourish ourselves with the greatest quality. Every time we feed ourselves with subtop quality we harm ourselves.. (Doug, you are so right about this cruel use of horrible music to underline deeds of war – where every one of the crushed soldiers deserves a long song of sadness and sorrow – a Benjamin Britten War Requiem just for him or her alone. But Doug, stop watching bad movies. Michel, stop watching those few minutes more of any violent and idiotic movie trailer YouTube suddenly confronts you with.)

    My students then followed me – I did seem to have that authority – and always changed their initial aversion. They would not necessarily run to the shop to immediately buy Bartok’s Music for Strings or a biography of Paul Klee, but they understood that those works have a deep meaning and would be worth their while to delve into them so as to enrich their bodies, souls and spirits spending some time of their finite life to this honing of their own worth in their own eyes. A Bach cure. A Michelangelo cure. A Spinoza cure. Lessons in admiration.

    Point two: often we had discussions about “democracy” and what it means. “Oh, one man one vote”. Really? Actually I think you are right (I am remembering typical dialogues here, and put my own voice out of the quotation marks) – but that is precisely the problem. “What do you mean?“ Not everybody deserves a vote. “What? That is dictatorship!” No, it is not. The people who insist on their right to vote without deserving it are the dictators. “How can that be?” Two things. One. Do you really think that people who almost every day profess that they “are not interested in politics” have the same right as you have who are actively interested in it and try to understand how politics may impact your life? Two. Haven’t you noticed that dictatorial governments arise in democracies because they are elected by people who “are not interested in politics”? “How are you going to change that?” I suggest that votes should be qualified. I do not have an absolute right to have one vote. I have the right to have anything between 0.75 and 1.25 of a vote – and voting will not only collect my voting but also present me with a test of my political interests, and tell me after my vote how much of a vote I obtained. (Big protests. Suddenly everybody was “interested in politics”.)

    I fear that the people who are asleep, John, are the ones who “have no interest in politics” and would certainly never want to fight or work to acquire their best possible vote – and it is the "democratic" system which is geared at having precisely their votes, the votes of disinterested and lazy people, and at gradually reducing their interest further. Politicians who are genuinely ambitious to design the best political courses for the genuine common good would be interested in the 1.2 votes and hence would court the approval of those who really want progress for humanity (or as Martenson calls it, a bit naively, “prosperity”).

    Alas, because people “who are interested in politics”, like us, like Kennedy Jr., are in the minority, we will not be able to prevail.

    That means that it will have to get (much) worse before it can become better indeed. And that worse will involve internecine and civil war, and self-sacrifice.

    Maybe the “End Times” will entail that “Christ returns” in the sense that hundreds of millions of people will prefer to drink the cup to its bitter end rather than give up their hunger for the truest, the best and the most beautiful that is “just good enough for them”..
    Such a lucid, poignant post, thank you.

    Sadly, I think the general collective has been bewildered into apathy, exhaustion, a type of waking sleep and downright madness by deep, existential and deliberately engineered chronic trauma.


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    Default Re: Democracy: Stick a fork in it, it's done

    Professor Alexander Fraser Tyler, writing when the states were still colonies of Great Britain, explained why democracies (today democrazy) always fail...

    A Democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of Government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves largess of the public treasury. (today the largess steaming pile of WOKE...)

    From that moment on the majority always vote for the candidate promising the most benefits(give me give me...Obamawanka) from the public treasury with the result that Democracy always collapses over a loose fiscal policy,(how many trillions today?) (plus save Ukronazia, slava banana) always to be followed by a Dictatorship.

    If you still need more... check my first post.
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    I don't think it ever started, since most of these regimes are republics.

    Exceptions may be Vermont and Switzerland.

    Neither way works except in a community of like-minded moral individuals. Those two places are small. The Swiss somehow manage to stave off most of the Protestant and Catholic rivalry widespread in Europe. The next closest thing was probably Franz Josef who was an Emperor.

    If "democracy" means "overthrow monarchy" then it is actually Communism, or, that is, modern communism. To "fight communism" you would install a monarch.

    France is rather more interesting, since, apparently, you can't just register to vote, Citizen is an acquired status higher than Man. I am not sure how many other countries follow the French model. Anyone with experience in these places could provide valuable insight.

    Secondly, here, anyway, we have an appointed State Department, whereas almost all other countries just have an elected Foreign Minister. Exactly how our "checks and balances" work between State and the Senate Foreign Relations Committee would be telling.

    That is why I tend to call the objectionable political cartel Capitalism. It not just straddles parties, but, is oblivious to the form of government, and is mostly characterized by manipulation and deceit, rather than a given political platform. Any means of the rich thriving over the poor.

    Because America is a "melting pot", that is why it is not a nation, it does not have a culture, it specifically devours and digests them.

    The first way to be manipulated less is to defend a national culture, such as Kurdish or Welsh. To see through the Russian lens, you expect that you will always have some 5% criminal element, but this means that such forces are "effectively" contained, as it is not enough to hold power. However once you are up to about 15% falsehood then you do have powerful gangs who are able to exploit others. You do have confusion and disinformation and power slips, and, a relatively small minority can decimate a much greater unprepared number.

    The idea is less that you have to implant a camera on every person and show up with a gun as soon as something doesn't look right, but to try to contain the rogue 5%.

    Money isn't everything once we see that the private bunkers that the fantastically wealthy do own, are places where they turn around and live in the paranoia of how to keep their own security force from revolting.

    Short of that, yes, we have been told that money doesn't care about the kind of government, by Capitalists.

    The whole idea of where we draw the property lines, and who gets to say what about the policies, is really difficult.

    Humans cannot compare to animals, not so much because of intelligence and hands--which just produce fancy bird nests and beaver dams--but because of the long term of pregnancy which produces a helpless infant which is in a delicate state for a very long time.

    What you need is the best way of doing that.

    If that is not what is shaping the policies, chances are nothing good will come out of it.

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    Quote Posted by Vicus (here)
    A Democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of Government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves largess of the public treasury. (today the largess steaming pile of WOKE...)
    Nailed it. When a nation (ab)uses their voting privileges to obtain things the country cannot afford, coupled with politicians who (deplorably) oblige them in order to get into or stay in office, then that is what rots your civilization. Everyone wants money, but many people would rather not have to work in exchange for it. Man is always hoping to get something for nothing, and in my own strong opinion when he does, a spiritual law is broken.

    I am not a political animal; my domain is and always will be spirituality. My gut feeling is that through her good qualities America will escape the worst of the calamities of other nations - but will experience their share of misery and poverty just the same. The emphasis now is on spending and on increasing taxation. When the false prosperity collapses, there will be millions unemployed. Many (most?) are now living in blissful oblivion, unaware of any impending emergency.
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    I'm sort of a man without a country. I've turned my back on america in September of 2o18. I owe Ireland a great debt and I have no say here either. The business of governments does not appeal to me. Governments will do as they will regardless of what the 'losers' voted. Think about that for a second. If you happen to be on the right side of the vote, are you now responsible for the winning government? This itself is a travesty of accountability. Imagine a world, where the government screws up; and the voters are held accountable. Or in the case of a republic federal elections, the electoral college is held accountable.

    It is a good feeling not being able to vote. I no longer have to choose a lessor of two or more evils. I can keep myself informed at my leisure. Some will say the benefit of voting is the 'right to complain'. This so-called right lacks appeal as well. Does the winning government care about the voice of the losers and their uncanny ability to complain about the current state of affairs? Not one bit. Complaining is a colossal waste of time, in any event.

    They call it apathy when people do not vote. For me, it is a conscious decision not to care too much about government. It wasn't always like this. In my youth, I did care and I did vote. I found myself with the winner sometimes and with the loser sometimes. But nothing really changed. Except, I did change.

    Churchill is attributed to saying something along the lines that "The best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter." But he was beholden to royalty who invented one of the first so-called democracies in the world, in a manner of distancing the royals from a dissenting and possibly violent in numbers, public. Kind of 'make them feel like they have a say'. What about a 5 minute conversation with the non-voter? There is about as many of them as there are actual voters.

    What I experience is a form of Liberty. I am not beholden to anyone politically. Ireland can still send me back; but I will enjoy the rest of my time here; however much longer.

    All of these silly governments are going to persist until we think of real solutions and theories do not count.

    Vote with your feet, it will provide you with maximum satisfaction. [In my opinion, of course.]
    Let everything happen to you - Beauty and terror - Just keep going - No feeling is final. - Rainer M. Rilke

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    happyuk said /I am not a political animal; my domain is and always will be spirituality. My gut feeling is that through her good qualities America will escape the worst of the calamities of other nations -

    Thanks for reminding me. art creativity and spirituality is my domain.

    Michel/ im sorry, I love bad movies


    Bill I watched the video ,I made it to about 12 minutes before I wanted to jump out the window.
    i dont know how anyone could do that job.
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    I have been quite disappointed by the way I expected "we" would be progressing along the lines of living the golden rule and extending simple human kindness as a whole. That sucks.

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    For all those who say their focus is spiritual rather than political, Moloch thanks you.

    Maybe folks haven't gotten the message yet but we are engaged in a spiritual war right now.

    There is no where safe. No where to run.
    Western civilization is the first target and this attack won't stop until third world countries look like heaven by comparison.
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