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    Quote Posted by DNA (here)
    For all those who say their focus is spiritual rather than political, Moloch thanks you.

    Maybe folks haven't gotten the message yet but we are ingaged in a spiritual war right now.

    There is no where safe. No where to run.
    Western civilization is the first target and this attack won't stop until third world countries look like heaven by comparison.
    One of the benefits to being 100% disillusioned by every possible narrative, one changes into embracing the woowoo reality version one chooses out of every possible representation. This is maya.

    The evidence of so much I refuse to accept has turned me inward. My woowoo now is that I use imaginary processes to create my reality. I have heard about fierce surrender to one's soul. One absolutley gives up alliegence to any heard POV. One uncovers one's own "society". Truth is never the content and truth is real. Live the truth one knows in ones heart. Stop feeding the machine with one's beliefs in just anything except what one chooses to BE. Why not? We have seen the myriad rabbit holes all leading out to infinity. Follow them forever and never get to the bottom. The bottm is absolutley in us. It is the bedrock we create from our ethos and our relationship to Intelligent Infinity that is Our surce.

    My narrative is that I am living in a world that has repudiated evil. We had an NDE and met the other side and we are renewed by a tsunami of LOVE. Now we are in the after wards of effects from our Universal NDE exerience. Now, from this newstate,where we have become conscious of who we are all tgether, we will never be without the relationship of LOVE itself. IMO politics and all the systems are dead. Life moves us. RE Connection from spirit planes to the material is a new bedrock. We have leveled up......

    From here, no government but Self goverened. This is my world. I have freewill to choose where I AM. CHOOSE YOUR WORLD. IMO this is the crux of the matter. Mind is the builder. Be disillusioned by what we "believedin" so we will choose what we AUTHENTICALLY value. Our hearts all love being the author writing the poem of love now. Don't forget that this is a process.
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    Democracy means "rule by the mob". Presently, the sheeple mob ("useful idiots") has been steered and brainwashed to be a pawn for the globalist Mafia mob -- a pawn used to prevent any populist uprising. How has Democracy EVER been a good thing? It's far too easy to manipulate the masses using Democracy. If it's dead, good riddance.



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    One of the benefits to being 100% disillusioned by every possible narrative, one changes into embracing the woowoo reality version one chooses out of every possible representation. This is maya.
    Our situation is not abstract.

    Globalists have controlled and subverted mainstream culture for the last 60 years or so.
    Why?
    Why start the music of the sixties in Lauryl Canyon California promoting drugs, alcohol and indiscriminate sex with many partners?
    The Beatles and Rolling Stones were products of the Tavistock Institute tasked with doing the same thing. When Paul McCartney described how and why his band was created and put together he states in his Memoirs of Billy Shears that John Lennon said the reason was,
    "To subvert Christianity".
    Why?
    Say what you will about Christianity but you can't argue this.
    Christianity at it's base is about impulse control.
    A society that has no impulse control is a pretty easy society to subvert and destroy.


    The Globalists are telling us what they want to do. Read the transcripts of the World Economic Forum.
    They are going to take away our ability to heat ourselves.
    They have pretty much already done this in Europe and they are in the process of this in the USA.
    They are going to have rolling black outs and energy outages all across Europe and the USA.
    They are attacking global food supplies right now.
    The Wheat of Ukraine and Russia is not being allowed on the open market due to UN sanctions. The IMF just issued a warning that food prices will be going up and everyone will see a profound increase. The response to this from India was to announce that they would be exporting no rice in the coming year.

    Food production across the United States is being hampered by the attacks on Food Production plants or rather the food production plants have just burned to the ground in the last year and a half to the tune of about 30 factories according to the MSM.

    They are immunizing cattle and pigs right now with Covid-19 gene altering jabs doing who knows what to that meat and milk.

    The population as a whole is suffering from those jabs as well. And we are yet to see the horrific fall out from that.

    The United States seems eager to start WW3 which it has no business doing what so ever. And will surely suffer horrible retribution for doing so.
    But,,,,that is of course planned as such.

    Europe is a fire keg, loaded with Muslim refugees who were never refugees but rather Trojan Horse provacatuers awaiting their orders.

    The USA has a open border with the same rushing in everyday.

    What I say sounds horrible, who would do such a thing?
    It doesn't make sense.
    I'll tell you who.
    Moloch worshipping satanists who have willingly or been tricked into doing things so horrible it compromised their resistance to possession , the resistance given to all God born entities can be strengthened through acts of selflessness and love or lost and weakened to the point of losing the natural resistance to possession.
    What we have left are people in power possessed by inter-dimensional entities who want the population of earth decimated.
    Who dance with glee at the prospect.
    Moloch is more a race of inter-dimensional entities in my opinion, summoned through horrible acts of murder/sacrifice that weaken the practioner of which to being capable of a possession by a inter-dimensional race.

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    After a yet another pointless spanish general election yesterday, the subject stays fresh.

    I won't spend my time discussing what works or what doesn't, the whole thing is fundamentaly crooked.

    If you have to play a game, but the game is rigged aganist you, what do you do? For me there are only two logical options, stop playing and forget about it, or take the playing desk and break it. Trying to fix a game that you didn't create is pointless, same as even discussing it.

    Learn to live without a government, so whatever there is won't be a problem for you.

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    Huh...??

    Higher Military Spending Will Save Democracy, Says NY Times

    https://zerohedge.com/geopolitical/higher-military-spending-will-save-democracy-says-ny-times

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    Western demoncrazy, I mean democracy, is a sham and always has been.

    It thrives on toadyism, cronyism, embezzlement, corruption, and running interference to protect hidden interests.

    It's no better than a secret mafia, where progression is determined by vassalage/loyalty to certain vested interests, including financial (central banks), ancestral (royal or elevated bloodlines), and the pseudo-spiritual (sects, cults, and secret societies). They trade in the currency of SECRETS and ILLUSIONS, and under the table weapons, drugs, and dirty money (and maybe other awful things, eg trafficking).

    That maybe not what democracy is on paper, but it's what its become in reality. But you can't really say it works on paper either, not when 51% of the people hold power (so say), and 49% are oppressed.

    For democracy to work in any real sense it MUST have an awake and fully informed populace - on every single issue of state. In reality, those people are party to only a tiny percentage of what's going on in the corridors of power. This renders the word 'democracy' pretty much VOID.

    That's been democracy's greatest trick though. Hiding behind the word itself. After all it isn't one of those nasty words like communism or tyranny -- democracy is a nice, fluffy, friendly word, it means everything fair, good and true. I think most people if you asked them wouldn't be able to define it, much less tell you how it works (and how it fails).

    A dynasty of corrupt, greedy Emperors destroyed Rome - and its Constitutional Republic - in a single generation, and in the process cancelled all the checks and balances for a fair, just system, one of the people and controlled by the people. That, in my view, was the beginning of the New World Order - the New Democracy. All that happened after Rome was that the Emperors went underground.
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    with all thats been said, knowing the state of the human being today , will anyone advocate what form of government they feel could possibly work today?

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    with all thats been said, knowing the state of the human being today , will anyone advocate what form of government they feel could possibly work today?
    Only partly in jest, "His Kingdom".
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    with all thats been said, knowing the state of the human being today , will anyone advocate what form of government they feel could possibly work today?
    Local governments such as towns and cities, maybe counties could prevail without state and federal entities. If you have a federal entity it should only handle national defence and some legal matters; including care of the elderly or disabled. There would be no voting. Candidates would be selected from a variety of criteria -mostly experience and not necessarily heavy in educational pursuits as some great managers do not have extensive education. They would be called to duty for a few years and return to their regular vocations following their dutiful service. They would have fitness reports every 6 months subject to continue their duty. They would learn to operate within practical budgets and would not serve long enough for pensions to be an issue.

    The kind of government I wish to see is the least amount of government possible. I do not want to spend my time chasing reckless and unqualified officials. I do not want the government to do what the private sector does better and cheaper. I do not wish to decipher the intentions of a two-party or multiple-party systems. I would have no problem with a set of taxes that are sensible for a practical local budget and defence.

    You might say I am too much of an idealist and you are probably right. But I also think there might be a future without the use of currency, and such a future will topple governments altogether.
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    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
    with all thats been said, knowing the state of the human being today , will anyone advocate what form of government they feel could possibly work today?
    Coincidentally I read someone today who was advocating a system of societal order from natural parenthood & elders only , as that would be based on love & not rule by some assumed authority , which they say is inherently fascist .
    I've always considered myself an anarchist really & this theory at first sight works well with that .

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    Of course Martenson is spot on and so very articulate and intelligent cutting through the politicization and brainwashing undergirding this issue. As DNA points out above, that's a TALL order and an extremely difficult task--arguably an integral component of the psyop itself---even among the most learned, patient, non-politicized, and skilled communicators among us.

    The rest of us can only yell from the rooftops... "Hey, they're killing and enslaving US ALL while we argue in a state of rabid hypnosis about digging our own graves! Don't you see what's going on here? Don't you see we shovel-mates are the ones whacking each other over the heads and pushing each other into that big hole we just unearthed? Can't you see they are cajoling us to a self-inflicted demise while the next shift unknowingly carries on?!"

    To which the only reply back is, "RACIST! TRANSPHOBE! WHITE SUPREMICIST!" It really is a fascinating magic trick to mind control an entire species of thinking, often intelligent people... especially to the end of their own demise.

    Martenson: "...many of you have come to this (epiphany) sooner.... it's just a process...." He genuinely seemed agitated by a sort of realization that thrust his paradigm of understanding to an entirely new level for him.

    So the only one thing I might say Chris was a little off on was with the title of his podcast's RIP date... As far as I can tell, democracy hasn't had a heartbeat long before 2023. That said, his words do give me hope that there is some demographic (smarter and more aware than I ) still arriving at a new level of understanding and to the gravity of exactly what is going on. Chris may have been focused on the up/down vector up until this juncture (which is fine if one does not want to engage in the often feckless pursuit of continually politicizing the truth), but at some point every critical thinker (IMHO) needs to break through the hypnosis of their own politicalization bias/programing and recognize the politicalization of the truth is the cornerstone of the con/psyop afoot here, and we must engage the (at-present anyway) right/left vector in a meaningful way if any from of inalienable human rights are to survive.
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    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
    with all thats been said, knowing the state of the human being today , will anyone advocate what form of government they feel could possibly work today?
    Doug, this isn't a direct answer to your excellent question, but I might offer the view that it's not the imperfect system that's rotten, it's the people controlling and manipulating it. With those same people in power and influence, any other system would be corrupted in the same way.

    I feel I have to be careful here in what I say, but I'm pretty sure the entire thing has to come down. All the many predictions, visions, and prophecies (as well as personal 'messages' from unseen sources) — all of them! — state that things will get worse before they get better. That feels pretty true to me.

    How much worse, I don't know. No-one does. But it might get pretty bad. Not just in terms of the breakdown of society and all its norms, but also law and order, the financial system, supply chains (including food and energy, the two key items), and maybe a large-scale kinetic world war. Throw in a few natural disasters as well, and that's pretty much the end of many aspects of everyday life as we've become accustomed to expect it to be every day.

    Some countries and areas would fare a lot better than others. But regarding the US, Canada and Europe, I think only very few people truly understand how precarious and dire the entire situation is.

    Everything is breaking. Nothing at all is sustainable. National projects and programs are almost all based on flawed premises, in turn based on equally flawed ideologies. Just look. With eyes wide open, it's all there to see.

    The way this all connects with the issue of democracy is that citizens are meant to be able to vote bad leaders out of office and choose new ones. But that doesn't work — and hasn't worked for decades.

    The people who COULD maybe fix it all — highly intelligent, highly educated, politically unaffiliated, totally ethical and incorruptible people, the exceptional best of the best (and these people do exist) — who in some parallel reality might work together in large, empowered, action-oriented international think tanks with no political donors or sponsors in sight — don't go anywhere near politics, definitely don't want to, and probably couldn't even if they chose to.

    They present themselves on alt media videos instead. Like Chris Martenson, and Alexander Mercouris or Doug Macgregor, Tucker Carlson or Tulsi Gabbard. (There are many many others, of course, including in other countries and in other languages.)

    They have their own networks of well-informed kindred spirits, and an audience of a few million people: just a tiny proportion of the world's population. But they have little or no real influence of any kind in the so called Halls of Power. Even most hard-working regular folk have no time to watch, listen to or read the kind of material that everyone reading this post will do very regularly. Most are only dimly aware that this alternative-viewpoint world even exists.

    As a tiny example of how genuinely good people almost never reach any real positions of influence, look how many well-intentioned candidates we hear about every year who valiantly try to stand for (e.g) the US Senate, or Congress, or other positions of office where they might get elected. (In the UK or the EU, maybe Members of Parliament.) But they almost never stand a chance.

    'From Log Cabin to White House' died its death over 150 years ago.

    Democracy just does not work. The price the western world will surely pay for that may be enormous. We think it's all happening slowly (though increasingly less so!) — but in historical terms, seen in the context of man's journey over the last 2500 years, it's all happening VERY VERY fast now. Within just a single decade, the entire world might be totally different in a whole bunch of ways.

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    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
    with all thats been said, knowing the state of the human being today , will anyone advocate what form of government they feel could possibly work today?
    Doug, this isn't a direct answer to your excellent question, but I might offer the view that it's not the imperfect system that's rotten, it's the people controlling and manipulating it. With those same people in power and influence, any other system would be corrupted in the same way.

    I feel I have to be careful here in what I say, but I'm pretty sure the entire thing has to come down. All the many predictions, visions, and prophecies (as well as personal 'messages' from unseen sources) — all of them! — state that things will get worse before they get better. That feels pretty true to me.

    How much worse, I don't know. No-one does. But it might get pretty bad. Not just in terms of the breakdown of society and all its norms, but also law and order, the financial system, supply chains (including food and energy, the two key items), and maybe a large-scale kinetic world war. Throw in a few natural disasters as well, and that's pretty much the end of many aspects of everyday life as we've become accustomed to expect it to be every day.

    Some countries and areas would fare a lot better than others. But regarding the US, Canada and Europe, I think only very few people truly understand how precarious and dire the entire situation is.

    Everything is breaking. Nothing at all is sustainable. National projects and programs are almost all based on flawed premises, in turn based on equally flawed ideologies. Just look. With eyes wide open, it's all there to see.

    The way this all connects with the issue of democracy is that citizens are meant to be able to vote bad leaders out of office and choose new ones. But that doesn't work — and hasn't worked for decades.

    The people who COULD maybe fix it all — highly intelligent, highly educated, politically unaffiliated, totally ethical and incorruptible people, the exceptional best of the best (and these people do exist) — who in some parallel reality might work together in large, empowered, action-oriented international think tanks with no political donors or sponsors in sight — don't go anywhere near politics, definitely don't want to, and probably couldn't even if they chose to.

    They present themselves on alt media videos instead. Like Chris Martenson, and Alexander Mercouris or Doug Macgregor, Tucker Carlson or Tulsi Gabbard. (There are many many others, of course, including in other countries and in other languages.)

    They have their own networks of well-informed kindred spirits, and an audience of a few million people: just a tiny proportion of the world's population. But they have little or no real influence of any kind in the so called Halls of Power. Even most hard-working regular folk have no time to watch, listen to or read the kind of material that everyone reading this post will do very regularly. Most are only dimly aware that this alternative-viewpoint world even exists.

    As a tiny example of how genuinely good people almost never reach any real positions of influence, look how many well-intentioned candidates we hear about every year who valiantly try to stand for (e.g) the US Senate, or Congress, or other positions of office where they might get elected. (In the UK or the EU, maybe Members of Parliament.) But they almost never stand a chance.

    'From Log Cabin to White House' died its death over 150 years ago.

    Democracy just does not work. The price the western world will surely pay for that may be enormous. We think it's all happening slowly (though increasingly less so!) — but in historical terms, seen in the context of man's journey over the last 2500 years, it's all happening VERY VERY fast now. Within just a single decade, the entire world might be totally different in a whole bunch of ways.



    Totally agree that the entire thing has to come down. And it will. The whole edifice of 'democracy' was created in order to convince the population that we are 'free'. Why would you try to break out of a prison if you couldn't see the bars? Just give us a bit of 'freedom' and enough mind-numbing toys/drugs to convince us we are 'freeee' to prevent us from questioning too closely.
    We have to completely get away from any idea of being 'governed' Why do we have to be 'governed'? Oh yes, it's for our greater good......for god's sake we might do something stupid like run amok , think freely and wont he able to 'function' without being told what to do, where to do it and how, though I can think of many people who absolutely love their slavery and look to institutions for permission to do things in their everyday lives. The Church, anyone?

    Agree with Bill and others, that it's going to get much worse before it turns around. It has to. There has to be the shock of the rug being pulled, the scenery collapsing. Because the majority of people are not spiritually mature enough to realise just how powerful the human race is, it's going to be painful, but it's a lesson that has been a long time coming.
    The 'unseen forces' that can see future timelines do assure us that we CAN do this and we will prevail (it's in our evolutionary destiny)

    There's been talk of an 'event' that will happen 'soon' (don't shoot the messenger!) to 'help' us, but whatever you may think of this (and I don't means aliens inviting us up for ride ) I do sense that something will happen that'll shock out of our apathy and steer us towards knowing our true divinity and inherent power. It'll be the cosmic leg-up. I can't see the human race ever waking up without this assistance. This will happen either just before, after or perhaps in the middle of the 'collapse', making for some very interesting times ahead!

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    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
    with all thats been said, knowing the state of the human being today , will anyone advocate what form of government they feel could possibly work today?
    I see no future with governments and their 'isms' right now.

    I think the time is ripe to start now building colonies and stop industrially selfish nations and societies from gambling with our destinies. Get away from the perpetual slavery of holding full-time jobs until the last day of your life. Buy farms or smallholdings or land and settle down with harmonious friends. Reject consumerism. Have time to live a spiritual life and constructively exchange experiences.

    As an initial thought experiment, and I'm not sure how pragmatic this would be: let a group of men each gather from between 50 to 150 (?) thousand dollars and, in groups of thirty to forty, let them build a self-sustaining, self-governing colonies. How about starting with California? Do not spend the principal of the money, except what's necessary to buy the land and start the colony. Put the remainder into S&P 500 index funds or similar. Pay taxes and expenses from the dividends and produce only the necessities of life and renouncing luxuries.

    Such a life would enable each member to associate with those who share the same spiritual and idealistic goals. They would be places where people would gather for commonly-held, high-minded purposes, and not just for economic or for political reasons. I think they would act an effective balance to governmental centralization and interference, and to a great extent relieve the governments of the world of the burden of caring for the sick and the aged; such communities naturally tend to look after their own.

    Such communities need not necessarily be isolated from the rest of the world, as they used to be in the days of slow bullock-cart transportation and before the availability of telecommunications; they would form a vital microcosm, and would reach out to to the wider world in a spirit of cooperation.

    Such a community I think could hardly be developed widely at first, nor would it be practical in the middle of a major city, but through this experience on a small scale rural experiments first.
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    Quote Posted by happyuk (here)
    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
    with all thats been said, knowing the state of the human being today , will anyone advocate what form of government they feel could possibly work today?
    I see no future with governments and their 'isms' right now.

    I think the time is ripe to start now building colonies and stop industrially selfish nations and societies from gambling with our destinies. Get away from the perpetual slavery of holding full-time jobs until the last day of your life. Buy farms or smallholdings or land and settle down with harmonious friends. Reject consumerism. Have time to live a spiritual life and constructively exchange experiences.

    As an initial thought experiment, and I'm not sure how pragmatic this would be: let a group of men gather from between 50 to 150 (?) thousand dollars and, in groups of thirty to forty, let them build a self-sustaining, self-governing colonies. How about starting with California? Do not spend the principal of the money, except what's necessary to buy the land and start the colony. Put the remainder into S&P 500 index funds or similar. Pay taxes and expenses from the dividends and produce only the necessities of life and renouncing luxuries.

    Such a life would enable each member to associate with those who share the same spiritual and idealistic goals. They would be places where people would gather for commonly-held, high-minded purposes, and not just for economic or for political reasons. I think they would act an effective balance to governmental centralization and interference, and to a great extent relieve the governments of the world of the burden of caring for the sick and the aged; such communities naturally tend to look after their own.

    Such communities need not necessarily be isolated from the rest of the world, as they used to be in the days of slow bullock-cart transportation and telecommunication; they would form a vital microcosm, and would reach out to to the wider world in a spirit of cooperation.

    Such a community I think could hardly be developed widely at first, nor would it be practical in the middle of a major city, but through this experience on a small scale rural experiments first.


    Has anyone heard of this idea:

    https://www.onesmalltown.org/

    Its based on the ideal of Contributionism. Admittedly it's been slow to get off the ground globally, and maybe it's time hasn't yet come, but I think it surely will...this is the way to go, I feel.

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    Default Re: Democracy: Stick a fork in it, it's done

    • What exactly have we learned last 3 years about the:
    01. insane (pushed) wokism
    02. insane (pushed) cancel culture
    03. insane (pushed) climate hysteria
    04. insane (pushed) tunnel vision narrative about Nato-Ukraine-Russia Proxy War
    05. insane (pushed) covid hysteria lockdowns mandates face-masks social distancing etc. etc.
    06. insane (pushed) mass experimental mRNA injections with tons of adverse "side effects" which ARE the effects!
    07. insane (pushed) farmers environment regulations "green agenda" global induced food crisis etc. etc.
    08. insane (pushed) "energy transition" (NetZero2050 & Agenda2030) causing extreme inflation!
    09. insane (pushed) rigged elections
    10. insane (pushed) ... etc. etc. >>> the list of: "new normal normalizing insanity" is much longer ...

    Do you really think that those who are behind all (or some of) the above will "change their ways" when they introduce "universal basic income"? ... Hell No! ... it only makes it much easier for them to go to the next level of global tyranny!

    And yes those who obey (willfully comply) and those who are part of this (evil) dehumanizing system will feel very cozy & nice! ... They will not see the problem because everything is done "for the greater good" for "the great narrative" and they really think you are "crazy" to openly criticize anything I just mentioned >>> meanwhile defending total insanity defying all common sense & logic.

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    A few quotes about control from above:

    Quote Globalists have controlled and subverted mainstream culture for the last 60 years or so.
    Quote I might offer the view that it's not the imperfect system that's rotten, it's the people controlling and manipulating it. With those same people in power and influence, any other system would be corrupted in the same way.
    Quote To which the only reply back is, "RACIST! TRANSPHOBE! WHITE SUPREMICIST!" It really is a fascinating magic trick to mind control an entire species of thinking, often intelligent people... especially to the end of their own demise.
    I think this is a slightly abbreviated version of the original video from Darren Brown of the Birthday Present. It shows in a few minutes how a master NLP manipulator can replace a thought in this man's mind in minutes. DB even tells the man what he is doing. The birthday man's mind is changed in such a way he does not remember or care about the item he originally wanted, even when he sees the proof.

    A friend told me recently that he knew global warming was absolutely true and I know there is not a thing I can say or show him that will change his mind. He has no idea there are control systems in place and unquestioningly accepts what he is told. He even says the government can lie but still he believes and obeys. I mentioned a quote by Thomas Sowell, "if you think your government cares about you, you don't know history." He agreed, but still believes and obeys. This is the status for so very many people.

    Humans are easily controlled when one knows how and it can be brought to bear in any system; religious, educational, political or otherwise. Systems are very useful to the controllers, they don't really care much what we believe. As long as we believe in a system, it can be a mechanism thorough which we can be controlled.

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    I do agree that we the people have the power to change things. The potential power at any rate. The greatest impediment to actually getting anything done though is the billions of sleeping masses – not governments. Without everyone falling in, and being on the same page, I don't see a way forward.

    What's required, first, is an expansion of consciousness worldwide. For some people, maybe just the appearance of consciousness. As I feel that in the last maybe twenty years the great majority, young and old, have actually regressed in awareness. Behaviour modification, psychological warfare, vaccines - call it what you will. But so many now seem to live without attention or comprehension, existing on some primitive, automatic level, commanded by urges, driven by emotion.

    They've got not a single clue about almost anything.

    I believe Mari is correct: short of some mass awakening event or catalyst, that shakes this majority out of their slumber, or frees them from their brainwashing, I don't see a reset, or any kind of positive change.
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    Quote Posted by Franny (here)
    I think this is a slightly abbreviated version of the original video from Darren Brown of the Birthday Present. It shows in a few minutes how a master NLP manipulator can replace a thought in this man's mind in minutes. DB even tells the man what he is doing. The birthday man's mind is changed in such a way he does not remember or care about the item he originally wanted, even when he sees the proof.
    I don't buy that personally. That's Simon Pegg, he was Scotty in the new Star Trek films among many other big titles - he's an actor so this smells of a set up. Either that or he's is a weak-minded fool. That's not to say the power of suggestion doesn't work, it can and does on many, but it takes time and repetition to pull off.

    I think I can safely say it wouldn't work on the majority of us. We here are free, critical thinkers. Our awareness is a natural firewall against manipulation.

    That's not without its drawbacks actually...

    For example, I find it almost impossible to get hypnotised! Over the years I've tried multiple methods and therapists (seeking a past-life regression) - and none could put me under, not even slightly (to their great exasperation!) My only success came with a quantum healer, trained by Dolores Cannon herself. Even then it took her an unprecedented full hour to put me in a 'light' trance.
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    Default Re: Democracy: Stick a fork in it, it's done

    Just out of interest, here's a link to Wikipedia's List of Forms of Government:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._of_government
    As you can see, there are many, and if you hold your cursor over any of them you'll get a brief description.

    None of them would work well because we're individuals, and that phrase about pleasing some of the people some of the time springs to mind.

    To experience first hand why any form of government doesn't work, look no further than becoming a member of a Tenant's Management Committee. I have and I'd rather be strapped to a scud missile and fired into the Thames than do so ever again. There's endless discussion about the most trivial matters and it's virtually impossible to agree any form of action. Unbelievably frustrating.

    Interestingly, the list of forms of government doesn't include an Egalitarian Society, where everyone is considered equal, regardless of gender, race, religion, or age. There's no class system in an egalitarian society but relatively equal access to income and wealth. According to Google, the country with the most egalitarian society is Norway. Coincidentally Norway is considered to be the best country in the world to live. Anyone here from Norway who can vouch for it?
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