The Highest Sacred Spiritual Knowledge

[shaberon]

Posted by Pris (here)
[COLOR="white"]That said, some of what you are sharing here does not "ring right" to me. For example, "helplessness" as a concept with regard to myself is not something I entertain.

No, of course not.

It was spoken in the view of Compassion towards sentient beings limitless in number.

As I said early on, it seems to me that you, personally, have naturally already shed a vast amount of typical human garbage and penetrated through some veils as described by yoga systems generally.

From our view, we do not have "a" scripture but say there are 84,000 scriptures, emulating the number of nerve branches traveled by the life wind.

Then, in order to stand a chance, we might say something like 80,000 of these are framed by the concern:



What Sutra do we give to the dumbest person?



Moreover, this is in the context that while we hold practices of subtle yoga, this (at least originally) is in conjunction with ordinary worldly education, training in trades, private charity for orphans, victims of earthquake, famine, etc., in times where there were not usually state-based emergency aid programs.

This has something in common with the (original) Christian Ecclesia.


Moreover, it is directly equivalent to the (original) Greek doctrine of One Life, which is Eros with Psyche.

Further, in Greek, one life in the appearance of many lives is Zoe and Ecclesia, who have a known symbol:


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In India, it is called Amitayus:


His color is red, his posture is one of meditation (dhyana-mudra), his symbol is a begging bowl, his mount is a peacock, his consort is Pandara, ...



Manuscripts on these practices can be traced to ca. year 200 or 300, and they are what is now more commonly considered Pure Land Buddhism (Chan or Zen) as known across China and Japan. These original iterations consist of a type of Upanishadic breathing exercise mixed with a visualization of a Buddha and a purifying transformation of the world we live in. Although beneficial, it is not very advanced, and so far barely distinguishable from any other Kashmiri yoga. And while it is true that China and Japan went through great lengths to import more and more Buddhist scriptures over the course of several centuries, they mostly received a gigantic swell in volume, without much of what we might call "further details" to this kind of basic yoga practice.

As far back as these Amitayus manuals, we find a similar treatment of Akshobhya, which is really Vishnu. But this is still just a continuance of the Upanishads, in the sense that Amitayus means the Life Winds, whereas Vishnu pertains more to consciousness, in the Upanishadic sense of Mind as the Rider on the Winds.

Since those two can be called universals, about the same for everyone, we also find the emergence at this time of the specifically-Buddhist character, Maitreya. These Maitreya practices are not really messianic, about him entering the world, but, the opposite, how do you become skilled enough to go where he is now.

Since hardly anyone can do this, similar to Orthodox Christianity, it is forbidden to make an anti-Maitreya based on foreign ideas projected onto it. Nevertheless, we can find examples, like Chinese Empress Wu does this.


I would probably say that for about ten centuries, within India, these spiritual exercises were refined and re-iterated to an extremely advanced nature, which is not clearly followed in most of the other countries, except that Nepal happens to have been a direct repository, texts still being in the original language. The entire Tibetan language, for example, has a vocabulary that amounts to about ten per cent of Sanskrit.

The Dharma teachings are described as a vast lake, where one will rapidly plunge through depths and you just blow by things that are nearly irrelevant, like "helplessness". You will penetrate it to some degree until you get to something profound and difficult. It is like a self-placement, and then, instead of flailing with 84,000 teachings, you settle in a handful of things that are speaking to you in the present moment.

For example, Tina Turner and Zena LaVey.

Because I independently and naturally started doing the kind of yoga that is in these teachings, I understand a distant level of it much more quickly than most students who are raised in those countries, and I would say, in turn, that forcing a person who has a high degree of natural affinity to undergo a training that is too basic, is actually counter-productive, as is any school where you are ahead of the class.

That is why I am trying to figure out a better organizational system for Indic material which has been inaccessible until recent times.


I have never really gotten it from any Dharma Center I have attended, since they were all so basic. That simply gives me the realization that a public commitment to Refuge Vow is the closest thing I have to an objective bond with any kind of human beings.


Although we cannot find a written manuscript of greater antiquity, the context is the grievances around Queen Vaidehi:


The Sutra of Meditation on the Buddha of Infinite Life goes on to tell how Queen Vaidehi in desperation called out to the Buddha who was staying on Vulture Peak in the hopes of receiving miraculous visits from his disciples, just as Maudgalyayana and Purna had visited Bimbisara over the previous three weeks. In response to her plea, the Buddha himself appeared accompanied by Ananda and Maudgalyana and a heavenly entourage. Vaidehi then expressed her doubts and despair to the Buddha.

The king’s consort, of her own accord, tore away her necklace and threw herself onto the great earth. Bursting into tears, she said to the World Honored One, “World Honored One, what evil deeds did I commit that I must bear the fruit of giving birth to such an evil child as this, and by what conditions did the World Honored One become a relative of Devadatta? World Honored One, for my sake, please show me the path that is free of sorrow; I have grown weary of this wretched, evil world. This world is an assembly of unhappy beings such as hell beings, hungry ghosts, and animals. From now on, I do not wish to hear unhappy voices nor see unhappy beings. I now face the World Honored One and prostrate myself on the great earth. I beg for your pity as I drown in tears of contrition. I beg of you, World Honored One who dwell amidst the world’s light, please let me gaze upon a pure land.” (Ibid, p. 553)


This is around the well-known King Ajatashatru, and, using a famous device, no explanations are given to Vaidehi except:



The Buddha does, however, respond to the request to see a better world. He grants to Vaidehi a vision of pure lands throughout the ten directions. These pure lands are essentially heavenly realms where all who are reborn in them can learn and practice the Dharma under the guidance of their presiding buddhas in conditions that are perfectly conducive to attaining enlightenment. Vaidehi then announces that she aspires to be reborn in Sukhavati, the pure land of Amitayus Buddha, the Buddha of Infinite Life (aka Amitabha aka Infinite Light).

At that time, the Word Honored One smiled, and a light of five different hues shot forth; that light shone on the head of King Bimbisara. Although the king was imprisoned, his mind’s eye saw the World Honored One at a distance, and nothing blocked his view. He reverently bowed; the bonds of delusion of themselves came loose, and the king attained enlightenment.

The World Honored One said to Vaidehi, the king’s consort, “Are you not aware that Amitayus Buddha does not dwell far from this place? You ought to think upon Amitayus Buddha’s land of Sukhavati, which was created by virtuous deeds. If you wish to be born in this country, you must perform the three kinds of virtuous deeds. First, you must dutifully attend your parents, serve your teacher faithfully, and be compassionate and refrain from committing the ten grave offences of murder, theft, sexual misconduct, false speech, slander, harsh speech, frivolous talk, covetousness, ill-will, and false views. Second, you must take refuge in the Buddha, Dharma, and the Sangha, observe all the precepts, and uphold your dignity. Third, you must aspire to seek enlightenment, profoundly believe in the principle of cause and effect, read the sutras, and expound their teachings to others. Vaidehi, these three are the virtuous deeds that lead to birth in the Pure Land. The buddhas of the past, present, and future all attained enlightenment on account of these three deeds that functioned as the true cause of their attainment.” (Ibid, pp. 553-554).


This is even more poignant because this Queen--at the time, there not being a "Nepal" and the region between Kathmandu and the Indian border was called Mithila, which is where Buddha is from, already has such a dynasty:


Because Janaka was born from the dead body of his father, he was also known as Vaideha.

A name of Janaka. He had realised the Yoga power of Hari.

Śite, the main female character in the great epic Rāmāyaṇa, who was born in Vidēha country.



Late Vedic literature such as the Shatapatha Brahmana and the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad both mention Janaka (c. 7th century BCE) as a great philosopher-king of Videha, renowned for his patronage of Vedic culture and philosophy, and whose court was an intellectual centre for Brahmin sages such as Yajnavalkya.


The name already has this meaning, Yajnawalkya has brought the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad into Mithila, and then Buddha is born.


Moreover, its actual meaning is:



Videha (विदेह).—a.

1) Bodiless, incorporeal.



Sita is not normal, she was dug out of the ground, an emanation of the Earth Goddess. She leaves our world by going back into it.


Then, in Nepalese stonework, we find a technique called "empty niche", which is where a goddess ought to be, but at the moment she is representing this "bodiless" condition. You could walk past it every day and never think about it. But Nepalese Buddhism is based on teaching what this means, and the resulting practice of it.


And so I think that is a pretty significant "dividing line", between the general public, and someone who has begun to experience dissolution of the senses and Mind as the Rider on the Winds.

From a comparative analysis of most of the training manuals, it appears that levels of teachings are bracketed around Initiations. And in some respects the first one barely counts. It would, for example, qualify someone as a priest, and you could do public rituals like funerals and so on, but it does not make you very adept at yoga. The remaining three all have to do with skill at handling prana or life force.

So a person who naturally is sensitive is not going to find particularly advanced training in the Sutras, because they have already achieved an advanced mode closer to the first two Initiations.

So it is not really true that you have to have direct personal guidance to get there. You may in fact already understand a lot of it and be obfuscated by the fact that most training centers are not set up to accommodate this.


From pursuing "everything" at a young age, I found that I placed a typical mental block against Buddhism, since the idea that Space is an Element seemed ridiculous to me. Energy follows thought, and so nothing subtle about it could have affected me. It was probably five years or so before I re-considered this, while looking into why it seemed that Eastern yoga doctrines were more internal than Western ceremonial magic, and so an increasingly open belief about space and the life winds was all it took to make them start "happening".

Using mainly just tantric materials, I was able to learn that Air Goddess Tara does not just mean the atmosphere around us, but, air in the sense of life winds. And she is the last member in the circle, and so when one so to speak harvests the winds and assassinates the ego, she serves as that guillotine-drop moment. And so it was this Tara that I heavily experienced in a personal way for maybe about five years before learning about Tara as a devotional goddess as the means to purge neurosis. Psychologists are useless, Tara is effective.



Because of that, I have an unusual affinity for Karma Family, which is rare.

Usually, the easiest way for the greatest number of devotees is Amitayus (Celestial) --> Avalokiteshvara (Emanation) = Dharma or Lotus Family. That is why Avalokiteshvara is usually a Buddhist national deity, at least in Nepal, Tibet, Mongolia, and I think Buryatia.


And so it will kind of grid reference you to smaller places in the ocean of teachings coordinated by Family affiliation x Degree, or depth, of Outer, Inner, and Secret in multiple levels.

The reality is something more like they are all always omnipresent at all times, which is why most of the spiritual practices could be categorized as "transformations" from mundane conditions to the magical and divine. The Kagye' map of a hundred deities is something like the constitution of the human aura. And you can see through this, what is being discussed is the ability to die properly and transmigrate to a Pure Land, and then you are going to be reborn. If the Path is rather eonic in nature, part of it is all about death and rebirth.

A personal graveyard of our skeletons would make a mountain.

Most yoga systems are written with the intention of Liberation, which means release from rebirth and transmigration to a very passive state. Yajnawalkya personally witnessed this happening. It seems to be a conformed unity with the Sun. This was, perhaps, a generation, or not much more, at the home of Gautama Siddartha --> Sakyamuni Buddha.

This kind of Buddhism is reliant on the same natural principles, but, re-directs them entirely into things like Merit and Salvation towards all beings, with the intention they experience the same for themselves.


Although I have never used Avalokiteshvara as a meditational deity, the closest thing to a vision I have had was something in the sky that got my attention; I thought it was turning into a totem pole. I was looking for a Thunderbird or something like that. I couldn't find any of those features, and, it did not go into a high resolution model of infinity like in some newer art, but, coalesced into the following:






which is a meditational form of Avalokiteshvara.

I did not know that and only discovered it much later.

However, I found a feedback loop.

In India, Brahma, the Creator, is not really a deity. The three most widely-known Hindu deities are Shiva, Shakti, and Vishnu. After them one finds Surya or the Sun. And then in certain rare, esoteric ways, there are Kartikkeya (Mars) and Ganapati or Ganesha (Elephant Face).

In Buddhism, Manjushri is Mars and Avalokiteshvara is Ganapati:







He is there with Earth Goddess Vasudhara (Lakshmi) and Buddhist Vajrayogini.

In Buddhism, Sita is accepted as an emanation of Vasudhara.

This one is a tantric view which, I think, shows a Buddhist twist being applied to Hinduism and yoga generally. The description calls for a mountain of Lapis Lazuli "beside" this.

Mars and Ganapati are commonly represented at Nepali shrines; Vasudhara is something like a tantric gating goddess above the "bodiless" realization.


Moreover, the Earth Goddess herself was a witness to Buddha's Enlightenment in the Pure Lands, which is represented by a tradition similar to "knock on earth" which is done to affirm an oath, or pay respect to a city's gates, etc., and is represented in the standard gesture of Akshobhya.

And so I think you could say the Buddhist system is incorporating normal Vishnu and Lakshmi and using them in an extraordinary way, perhaps as represented by this theme in their traditional Epics:


pain of separation


as there is of course a Divine Marriage being enacted. Main purpose being you, personally, doing it, rather than creating the physical cosmos.

"Bodyless" is common to all yogas which have a Kamadeva or Mahesvara subjugation myth--in Hindu systems, he is usually defeated by fire from Shiva's third eye. Most Buddhist systems say Vajrapani, but, on a closer look it is Taste Goddess Ghasmari, who is in essence about the same as Hindu Adi Shakti or Parashakti.

In comparison to all total Buddhist literature, yogic adeptship with life winds is capable of producing experiences which at least temporarily go up to the Eighth Stage of a Bodhisattva. So, yes, there is a sliding scale of collapsing waveforms as you have little need dwelling on material aimed at someone who doesn't get it.

Everything includes One Life, either axiomatically, as a given presence, or, by proliferous deification of that particular Family.

Life wind, as internal to the body, is a bit different and more related to variety or various experiences and states of being.

There are different approaches, within certain parameters, but the real yoga depends on exactly this. No other way to do it.

[Carlitos]

Over the years I've gathered bits of information at my own pace from all over that either "rings right" to me or confirms my experiences -- confirms my inner "knowing".

I feel most western born/raised spiritual aspirants, have no other choice than to put the information 'jigsaw' together in this manner. I had my fair share of the Christian doctrine fed to me at primary and secondary school. Up until the age of 16 or so, in pre-internet times, it was quite a step to get to know anything outside of the cultural framework (indoctrination).

So discovering that yogic and tantric texts, a treasure trove of information about practicing self evolvement, was an eye opener, to say the least. This goes as far as learning how to instruct one's own sub-conscience to set the course of one's own evolution, and further spiritual development and achievements in this lifetime.

I feel the main difference between the east and west is that, is the way in which the information is distorted (by the roman church, for a start) and the people were kept away from 'the path' - In contrast, in the east the knowledge and practices remained intact, going back at least 6 thousand years; and the volumes of knowledge back then, were already an extensive and precise science (of the human condition), and the lessons are practiced to this day.

After finally getting to read all this literature, (including the Bagavad gita, the six yogas of Naropa, and now the Nag Hammadi to name a few), and partake in the practice - shows us that there was a time when all the information was aligned for the people, enabling them to reach for the higher states of consciousness, or 'enter the kingdom'...

These days, the information is available, but (young) people are misled by a barrage of distracting and confusing notions that suggest they are victims of inadequacy, their uniqueness is being averaged out, termed abnormal (which it isn't). The insanity of war is being normalized, the apocalypse is the number one theme on the video platforms like netflix and other garbage services like it. It seems that people only gain access to the lessons of our ancestors either by chance, or at a late age...

[Pris]

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I must say, I appreciate all the information you've shared in this thread, shaberon. It's going to take me some time to properly go over it. Much of it is in terms I'm entirely unfamiliar with so that makes it rather tough.

I wanted to touch on this:

Posted by Pris (here)
Nowadays, I focus on seeing and recognizing Good (God) in myself and in all the physical and living physical around me, doing my best to enjoy life to the fullest. For me, that means appreciating every single moment and every "little" thing in this "space time" like stopping to smell the roses and playing with the pooch that lives across the way. That seems easiest.

Posted by Pris (here)
I'm thinking we can also reach that "highest" state of spiritual awareness in a way that doesn't require "opening the third eye". It's about deciding to be fully present in the moment... enjoying life... For me that feels like bliss even when I just stop to smell a rose... It's like eternity in that moment. It's always "new". I lose myself in the color, form, scent, touch... the sounds all around me... It's pure love. It's infinite. It's about appreciation for all things and being grateful. State of mind is everything.

Then, you said this:

Posted by shaberon (here)
There is one dimension, time, which can be eliminated by Hesychasm and the like, and if it can be removed, then there really aren't any dimensions.

The result is basically as you say, to stop with the roses and little dogs, although this is in the same breath with, for example, killing anything that threatens those roses and dogs.

And, then this came up with regard to "helplessness":

Posted by shaberon (here)

Posted by Pris (here)
That said, some of what you are sharing here does not "ring right" to me. For example, "helplessness" as a concept with regard to myself is not something I entertain.

No, of course not.

It was spoken in the view of Compassion towards sentient beings limitless in number.

As I said early on, it seems to me that you, personally, have naturally already shed a vast amount of typical human garbage and penetrated through some veils as described by yoga systems generally.

From our view, we do not have "a" scripture but say there are 84,000 scriptures, emulating the number of nerve branches traveled by the life wind.

Then, in order to stand a chance, we might say something like 80,000 of these are framed by the concern:



What Sutra do we give to the dumbest person?



Moreover, this is in the context that while we hold practices of subtle yoga, this (at least originally) is in conjunction with ordinary worldly education, training in trades, private charity for orphans, victims of earthquake, famine, etc., in times where there were not usually state-based emergency aid programs.

This has something in common with the (original) Christian Ecclesia.


Moreover, it is directly equivalent to the (original) Greek doctrine of One Life, which is Eros with Psyche.

Further, in Greek, one life in the appearance of many lives is Zoe and Ecclesia, who have a known symbol:


=



In India, it is called Amitayus:


His color is red, his posture is one of meditation (dhyana-mudra), his symbol is a begging bowl, his mount is a peacock, his consort is Pandara, ...

Now, I think I see what you mean. Yes, being equal... " = " with the rose, the little dog... Connected by love, yes, if there was a threat against them, I would do anything to protect them... because I would feel it as a direct attack on me -- love, quantum entanglement... I would use all my power and fury to protect the helpless.

[Pris]

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In another thread on the subject of energy, our spiritual/love connection with trees came up... I thought I'd share it here:

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Posted by RunningDeer (here)

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Posted by RunningDeer (here)
I’ve shared my experience I had while on my walk. I call it “Tree Talk”:

I asked Tree for strength.
Tree said I already had it.
I needed connection.
So we connected.

That's right. You already have the power within you. When we connect with nature, nature helps us reconnect with ourselves.

Wow! Thanks, Pris. I totally missed that.
I connected with the tree but now I also understand the message in an expansive way.
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♡

You're welcome, RunningDeer! All I know is, over the years, the love grew inside me and now wells up all the time because I finally remembered who I am... You can't give what you don't give yourself first. It makes me weep, so much incredible beauty in the world...




Deep sadness for what has "come and gone", happiness and joy for the present and what is still to come... Gratitude. Sometimes, it's just so overwhelming. There's really no other way to describe it. When there's not enough time to love yet a moment of love lasts for all eternity.


And, to not take it so serious, I remind myself to stay in the moment. Be creative! Laugh, play and have fun!

It's good to have a friend to share life with!

Link to post:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1564312

[Pris]

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Posted by Carlitos (here)

Posted by Pris
Over the years I've gathered bits of information at my own pace from all over that either "rings right" to me or confirms my experiences -- confirms my inner "knowing".

I feel most western born/raised spiritual aspirants, have no other choice than to put the information 'jigsaw' together in this manner. I had my fair share of the Christian doctrine fed to me at primary and secondary school. Up until the age of 16 or so, in pre-internet times, it was quite a step to get to know anything outside of the cultural framework (indoctrination).

So discovering that yogic and tantric texts, a treasure trove of information about practicing self evolvement, was an eye opener, to say the least. This goes as far as learning how to instruct one's own sub-conscience to set the course of one's own evolution, and further spiritual development and achievements in this lifetime.

I feel the main difference between the east and west is that, is the way in which the information is distorted (by the roman church, for a start) and the people were kept away from 'the path' - In contrast, in the east the knowledge and practices remained intact, going back at least 6 thousand years; and the volumes of knowledge back then, were already an extensive and precise science (of the human condition), and the lessons are practiced to this day.

After finally getting to read all this literature, (including the Bagavad gita, the six yogas of Naropa, and now the Nag Hammadi to name a few), and partake in the practice - shows us that there was a time when all the information was aligned for the people, enabling them to reach for the higher states of consciousness, or 'enter the kingdom'...

These days, the information is available, but (young) people are misled by a barrage of distracting and confusing notions that suggest they are victims of inadequacy, their uniqueness is being averaged out, termed abnormal (which it isn't). The insanity of war is being normalized, the apocalypse is the number one theme on the video platforms like netflix and other garbage services like it. It seems that people only gain access to the lessons of our ancestors either by chance, or at a late age...

It's great that you seem to have found "your path" and the information/knowledge you need.

Knowing myself (as far back as I can remember), I think the way my life unfolded growing up in a western society was good for me. I've always resisted societal "norms", teachings. If the teachings "felt right" to me, who knows? But, I didn't get too many teachings that did. Maybe I would have figured out things much sooner. And, maybe I learned what I learned at exactly the pace and piecemeal way that I needed to suit my personality. I think it's made it fun, confirming, and more meaningful for me to discover these things myself.

My creative and performing arts background, from writing poetry, drawing and painting, to acting and animating, played a huge role in the direction my life has taken. Many of my epiphanies are the result of insights I gleaned from pop culture -- everything from TV shows, movies, and music, to comics and toys and so on.

I fell in love with acting (what happens on stage, in front of the camera, and behind-the-scenes) and that led me on a very, very interesting path... I discovered so much about myself. In the mid 1990s, my rather rebellious film acting teacher (previously assistant director in multiple TV productions) used the book, "Psycho-Cybernetics", to teach us how to control our minds through our "sub-conscious" and, therefore, control our outcomes (improved acting performance). It was helpful for Method Acting and building confidence and resolve and was probably the most mind-affecting book I ever read. From there, I dove into "self-help" books. "Happiness is a Choice" really stuck with me.

[Carlitos]

[QUOTE=Pris;1564842].

Posted by Carlitos (here)

Posted by Pris
Over the years I've gathered bits of information at my own pace from all over that either "rings right" to me or confirms my experiences -- confirms my inner "knowing".

... I fell in love with acting (what happens on stage, in front of the camera, and behind-the-scenes) and that led me on a very, very interesting path... I discovered so much about myself. In the mid 1990s, my rather rebellious film acting teacher (previously assistant director in multiple TV productions) used the book, "Psycho-Cybernetics", to teach us how to control our minds through our "sub-conscious" and, therefore, control our outcomes (improved acting performance). It was helpful for Method Acting and building confidence and resolve and was probably the most mind-affecting book I ever read. From there, I dove into "self-help" books. "Happiness is a Choice" really stuck with me.

Thanks for your reply Pris - and for sharing - and I agree, happiness is a choice, and implicitly so is doom and damnation. Once past that realisation, and having found the 'Way' (let me reference another profound book: The Way and its Power - by Lao Tzu) we can see the magic of it all in everyday life, in the simple things, like walking on a beach, or cooking food for our kids, or just hanging out with friends. What dawns on us, and the things we decide to do while walking the way makes achieving great things seem like a matter of course. om tat sat.

[shaberon]

Posted by Pris (here)
Connected by love, yes, if there was a threat against them, I would do anything to protect them... because I would feel it as a direct attack on me -- love, quantum entanglement... I would use all my power and fury to protect the helpless.

Exactly.

The upswing is that this is not just for external threats, but, their own ignorance.

At this point, I am a bit of a living encyclopedia, starting quite similarly to the classics such as Carlitos mentioned, along with the view of the RCC as a parasitic distortion. Then, because over the course of my lifetime, a considerable volume of Buddhist material has been published in books or online, I am more or less spitting out third-year studies as if they were introductory, again because I think for someone who is already fluent with some kind of meditation or yoga, it is redundant if not backwards to re-trace routes that may have been intended for the raising of a six-year-old.

There are tons of flea eggs in almost everything that is readily available.

For example it is correct that "Six Yogas" is the main training method, but, in the sense as written previously, it should be "Six Dharmas of Naro", which are, so to speak, extraordinary sets of phenomena triggered by practicing the Six Yogas. It covers the panel of things from Dreams to Death.

Most "Tibetan Buddhism" claims an attachment to Naro.

The only one I have been "taken into", Karma Kagyu, has the meaning of four ways at looking at four kinds of tantric lineages that were transmitted through Naro. As a practitioner, I have only ever used a "short lineage", such as Tilo, Naro, Gampo, Mila, because I personally am not close enough to Tibet to claim that any extensive list of teachers has anything to do with me. The short list covers the end of Indian Buddhism and its migration into Tibet.

To a great extent, most everything I have is a compendium of the "system of Naro". It is the same basic meditation as in the eleventh century in the university courtyard with collections of human skulls.

In most of these cases, teachers do not innovate or change anything. Naro is simply a vehicle of apostolic succession, who could be said to have "created" Naro Dakini, which is really just a personal adjustment to existing practices.

Through peer review, it is accepted that someone like Naro only dispenses things that are reliable and stable, which becomes a guarantee for it working for others. That is how such practices slowly accumulate. You can't just make something up and submit it for a vote. They are outcomes of pretty rigorous review.

We have an amount of his commentary which is very useful, and not much else.

He was effectively a department head of a university, which, of course, held the strata of Puranic Hinduism and the Vedas, everything about math, astrology, the technology of the era, alongside the Buddhist Sutras and all of its basics.

Gatekeepers such as Naro probably had five or six students out of a population of hundreds or thousands.

These may have been royally-appointed posts, in fact the Pala Dynasty as a whole is the main reason we have most of these things, and, towards the end, King Ramapala is one of the greatest exegetes of our system.

By "system", I mean something that is hardly traceable in Tibetan Buddhism. Here's why.

We use a broad scale to classify "all systems":

0 - nothing, no spiritual beliefs, general lack of morality, animalistic

1 - a belief in "something good", usually with a spiritual ideal of rebirth in a paradise or Heaven world

2 - a belief in reincarnation, usually coupled with "Liberation" or the cessation of cyclic existence

3 - the Bodhisattva Path


This already relinquishes simpler forms of Buddhism based on Nirvana to level two, which encompasses most of the Hindu practices.

However, on that level, we already find something peculiar. In the culture, a guru is obviously significant, and if our basic meditation is Guru Yoga then it sounds impossible without a human master.

In Hinduism, Adi Shankara is significant for developing a different kind of system where Shiva is your Guru. It skips the human intercessory, is intended to make you un-tied from a temple, i. e. is the way of the Ekadandins or Staff Bearers, which is weird because orthodox Hinduism has more rules on ritual cleanliness than Judaism.

Such rules are called "Karma Khanda", which is the part that Buddha said was unnecessary for spiritual growth.

All such "wanderer" traditions are in some sense a social deviation, but then of course Buddhism reaches to the outcastes such as candalas or handlers of corpses and so on.

Kagyu Guru Yoga mirrors the Shankarite principle. You can do it in a transcendental way, without any human. Most Guru Yogas will auto-fill H. H. Dalai Lama or someone like that, and, preferrably, of course, your own teacher.

The teaching itself says it propagates simply by reading and practice.

Most of us are not, and probably never will be, in close guidance by a personal teacher.

This does not compensate for the fact that, if we already have some kind of progress and sensitivity to the subtle body, we have tuned ourselves into a much more selective arena of teachings.

To be Buddhism, it all has to run through Vajrasattva Guru Yoga. Simple as that.

Conversely, all Hindus accept the Buddhist Mahasiddhas as real yoga adepts. These include four Nath yogis, such as Jalandhara and Matsyendranath, meaning they were already accomplished in that practice and then found some reason for joining Buddhism.

One of the latest Indian Vajravarahi practices was composed by Umapatideva, which sounds obscure until you think of Uma (Shiva's wife) Pati (lover or husband) means he is simply named for Shiva, and, as far as I can tell, was a high priest at a large Shiva temple for a long time. He more or less just moved, apparently got into Buddhism, and was able to develop this practice in a relatively brief time.

Anyone can work their way in to the "system of Naro", but, you are banned from Gnostic communities, gated or repressed by most others should you attempt to convert, there is not a lot that offers to make you a full standing member mostly by reading and thinking about it.

Level three, meaning Mahayana Buddhism, is Yogacara or is a yoga practice, this being the only part which distinguishes it from others.

Most Tibetan Buddhism is framed as a contra-Yogacara.

Think about this: would a south Indian yogi be interested in that form of inner heat that melts snow? No, this Tibetanism is like a branch or minor power, unintended by Indian yoga, also practiced by yak drivers and others forced to remain outdoors. Madame David-Neel found out about this and trained accordingly, without going into much detail other than "remarkable results".

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I cannot watch the video until tomorrow but I am wondering the name of the 104 year old book from the title?

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I cannot watch the video until tomorrow but I am wondering the name of the 104 year old book from the title?

Good question! Funny, I hadn't really concerned myself with that. It seems the information in the video is gleaned from all over the place. Fascinating, no matter how you slice it.

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I cannot watch the video until tomorrow but I am wondering the name of the 104 year old book from the title?

Good question! Funny, I hadn't really concerned myself with that. It seems the information in the video is gleaned from all over the place. Fascinating, no matter how you slice it.

I watched the video and it was great . The book is called "The anti christ" by Dr george w carey. There is a link in the youtube video description. It seems like a fairly short book

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I cannot watch the video until tomorrow but I am wondering the name of the 104 year old book from the title?

Good question! Funny, I hadn't really concerned myself with that. It seems the information in the video is gleaned from all over the place. Fascinating, no matter how you slice it.

I watched the video and it was great . The book is called "The anti christ" by Dr george w carey. There is a link in the youtube video description. It seems like a fairly short book

Ah yes, a PDF link. I just might check that out, too. And, I'm glad you liked the video. It's something I stumbled across awhile ago, one of the best comprehensive videos I ever found on the mind/body/spirit subject wrapped up in the shortest possible amount of time with excellent visuals. Really well done. It confirmed so much for me.

And, welcome to the forum!

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The book is called "The anti christ" by Dr george w carey. There is a link in the youtube video description. It seems like a fairly short book

Ah yes, a PDF link. I just might check that out, too.

It is an eight page tract where he calls Constantine the anti-Christ.

Let's give it a mixed review for a moment.

He may be a Hebrew supremacist, viz.:

"The bodily organ that men in their ignorance call heart is termed divider or pump in Greek and Hebrew."


That is first-class because "heart" is Sanskrit Hrd.

Now of course there is the doctrine that god spoke Hebrew and created the universe in Hebrew, for which there is evidence roughly 1,000 B. C. E. that there was this language.

Sanskrit of course has a similar claim, although it is much older and has millions following an unbroken tradition.

This seems to reverse the sense entirely:

The cerebellum is heart shaped and called the heart in Greek —thus "As a man thinketh in his heart so is he."


Heart doctrine is physically literal, it is about making the brain shut up.


"Constantine, the pagan Roman Emperor,
a monster in human form..."

Constantine was Pontifex Maximus of Apollo and had almost nothing to do with Christianity. At the Nicean Council, he basically let debates go on for a while and then said "answer please".

An argument denigrating "paganism" somewhat undermines the rest of what he is saying. Hebrew astronomy had two planets until the Babylonian Captivity, so, to make a Zodiacal argument is really to exalt the Babylonian system. That is used here, and, this is one of those rare things that I have no idea where it comes from:


"Every twenty-eight and one-half days, when the moon is in
the sign of the zodiac that the sun was in at the birth of the native,
there is a seed or Psycho—Physical germ born in the or out of, the
Solar Plexus..."


This is halfway correct for Ruach:

Breath is translated "soul" over 500 times in the Bible, therefore soul is precipitated air (spirit) which may be lost in physical
desire and expression (waste or sin, viz: to fall short) or saved
by Regeneration.


except the main distinction is Ruach, the physical breath of man, and Ruach Elohim, the beginning of Genesis.

Is this serious?

"—the Devil (lived, spelled
backward)"


He doesn't seem to know where Tropical Astrology comes from:

"But even unto this day the whole anti-Christ world (so-called "Christian")
except the astrologers, go by almanacs that make the moon enter a sign of the zodiac two and one-half days before it does enter it and thus perpetuate the lie of the pagan Constantine, the antiChrist."



This is an article from Azoth Magazine. Original editor was M. J. Whitty:

Whitty was serving as the 'cancellarius' (treasurer/office manager) for the Thoth-Hermes Lodge in Chicago, which was one of the lodges of the Alpha et Omega (A.O.). Alpha et Omega was the successor organization to the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, founded in 1906 by S. L. MacGregor Mathers, after the demise of the Golden Dawn in 1903. Whitty invited Case to join Thoth-Hermes, which was the direct American lodge under the A.O. mother lodge in Paris.


Whitty republished Case's attribution of the Tarot keys (with corrections) in Azoth magazine.

Between 1919 and 1920, Case and Michael Whitty collaborated in the development of the text which would later be published as The Book of Tokens. This book was written as a received text, whether through meditation, automatic writing, or some other means. It later surfaced that Master R. was the source.

Bear in mind these are "experts" who force their own conclusions onto fragmentary relics of foreign cultures.

The author here, G. Carey, was the first to state that a person's body is a “chemical formula in operation.”

The more accurate part is that he opens by speaking of the Essenes, one of the few traceably "pre-Christian Gnostic" sects, Jesus probably was Essene. And of course this pretty much perished to the sand.

The rest of what he says has no citations at all.

Nicea was kind of a two-edged sword; while it does make a type of domineering code, it has also managed to stuff Astrology under the hood of it all, the simple example being the move of the Sabbath "Saturn Day" to a different service held on Sun Day.

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I cannot watch the video until tomorrow but I am wondering the name of the 104 year old book from the title?

Good question! Funny, I hadn't really concerned myself with that. It seems the information in the video is gleaned from all over the place. Fascinating, no matter how you slice it.

I watched the video and it was great . The book is called "The anti christ" by Dr george w carey. There is a link in the youtube video description. It seems like a fairly short book

I just read the book and thought it was excellent. It makes a lot of sense to me. To me, it's all about being entirely in control of one's body, mind, and spirit. It's about having a healthy frame of mind and being in a healthy body in order to initiate OBEs for a healthy, awake and aware spirit.

Even without having known much about the information before (as shown in the video/text), throughout the years, I've had a few spontaneous OBEs. Later on I learned how to self-initiate OBEs on my own using fairly simple techniques. I had multiple OBEs in a period of a few months. What worked for me was dream study/awareness, repeatedly writing down my intentions (what I wanted from the OBE), and interrupting my sleep patterns (while lying on my back). Practice and persistence got results. As thrilling as the OBEs are, I found initiating them to be hard work -- time-consuming and tiring.

To help the OBE process, I learned to willfully expand my awareness. I learned to intensify my sense of hearing while focusing on my internal vision. With this focus, I've been able to raise the electrical vibration of my body (that prickly feeling) and amplify the "sound" in my head by willfully raising the pitch.

It probably also helped that for much of my life I've been a vegetarian and more recently a vegan and am quite careful about what I eat. For over a decade now, I also drink distilled water and practice Urine Therapy. I learned how to self-initiate OBEs only within the last 6-7 years. It's not something I've done recently because for me it's tiring and takes a lot of work. As rare as they are, I'm happy to say I still get the occasional spontaneous OBE.

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I cannot watch the video until tomorrow but I am wondering the name of the 104 year old book from the title?

Good question! Funny, I hadn't really concerned myself with that. It seems the information in the video is gleaned from all over the place. Fascinating, no matter how you slice it.

I watched the video and it was great . The book is called "The anti christ" by Dr george w carey. There is a link in the youtube video description. It seems like a fairly short book

I just read the book and thought it was excellent. It makes a lot of sense to me. To me, it's all about being entirely in control of one's body, mind, and spirit. It's about having a healthy frame of mind and being in a healthy body in order to initiate OBEs for a healthy, awake and aware spirit.

Even without having known much about the information before (as shown in the video/text), throughout the years, I've had a few spontaneous OBEs. Later on I learned how to self-initiate OBEs on my own using fairly simple techniques. I had multiple OBEs in a period of a few months. What worked for me was dream study/awareness, repeatedly writing down my intentions (what I wanted from the OBE), and interrupting my sleep patterns (while lying on my back). Practice and persistence got results. As thrilling as the OBEs are, I found initiating them to be hard work -- time-consuming and tiring.

To help the OBE process, I learned to willfully expand my awareness. I learned to intensify my sense of hearing while focusing on my internal vision. With this focus, I've been able to raise the electrical vibration of my body (that prickly feeling) and amplify the "sound" in my head by willfully raising the pitch.

It probably also helped that for much of my life I've been a vegetarian and more recently a vegan and am quite careful about what I eat. For over a decade now, I also drink distilled water and practice Urine Therapy. I learned how to self-initiate OBEs only within the last 6-7 years. It's not something I've done recently because for me it's tiring and takes a lot of work. As rare as they are, I'm happy to say I still get the occasional spontaneous OBE.

What do you mean by "interrupting my sleep patterns (while lying on my back)"?

I used to obe very easily as a child, easily as lying down and then sitting straight back up. Then I got attacked for doing them and ended up forgetting how. I remember I used to sit upside down, I think the increased bloodflow to the head helped somehow. I have struggled to do them for a long time now Sometimes happens naturally but I would like to be able to initiate obe's at my leisure. I am trying the celibacy as mentioned in the video but it's tough going, lol.

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What do you mean by "interrupting my sleep patterns (while lying on my back)"?

I used to obe very easily as a child, easily as lying down and then sitting straight back up. Then I got attacked for doing them and ended up forgetting how. I remember I used to sit upside down, I think the increased bloodflow to the head helped somehow. I have struggled to do them for a long time now Sometimes happens naturally but I would like to be able to initiate obe's at my leisure. I am trying the celibacy as mentioned in the video but it's tough going, lol.

Thanks for the question! But, first off, what do you mean you were ATTACKED for doing OBEs (and then you forgot how to do them)? Are you able to elaborate? I have some thoughts to share on that but first I'd like to hear what you may have to say about it if you're willing to share.

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What do you mean by "interrupting my sleep patterns (while lying on my back)"?

I used to obe very easily as a child, easily as lying down and then sitting straight back up. Then I got attacked for doing them and ended up forgetting how. I remember I used to sit upside down, I think the increased bloodflow to the head helped somehow. I have struggled to do them for a long time now Sometimes happens naturally but I would like to be able to initiate obe's at my leisure. I am trying the celibacy as mentioned in the video but it's tough going, lol.

Thanks for the question! But, first off, what do you mean you were ATTACKED for doing OBEs (and then you forgot how to do them)? Are you able to elaborate? I have some thoughts to share on that but first I'd like to hear what you may have to say about it if you're willing to share.

Yes. When I was a kid I would sit upside down on the couch and go off journeying out of body. My older sister used to run in the room and jump on me or disturb me. Eventually I stopped trying and forgot how. I remember someone asking me as a kid how to obe and I used to say "it's as easy as sitting upside down" lol Not so easy anymore but I hope it will be again. I have been attacked by negative entities as well I guess but that happened later on, in dreams more than journeys.

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What do you mean by "interrupting my sleep patterns (while lying on my back)"?

I used to obe very easily as a child, easily as lying down and then sitting straight back up. Then I got attacked for doing them and ended up forgetting how. I remember I used to sit upside down, I think the increased bloodflow to the head helped somehow. I have struggled to do them for a long time now Sometimes happens naturally but I would like to be able to initiate obe's at my leisure. I am trying the celibacy as mentioned in the video but it's tough going, lol.

Thanks for the question! But, first off, what do you mean you were ATTACKED for doing OBEs (and then you forgot how to do them)? Are you able to elaborate? I have some thoughts to share on that but first I'd like to hear what you may have to say about it if you're willing to share.

Yes. When I was a kid I would sit upside down on the couch and go off journeying out of body. My older sister used to run in the room and jump on me or disturb me. Eventually I stopped trying and forgot how. I remember someone asking me as a kid how to obe and I used to say "it's as easy as sitting upside down" lol Not so easy anymore but I hope it will be again. I have been attacked by negative entities as well I guess but that happened later on, in dreams more than journeys.

That's great how easily OBEing came to you as a kid. Did you have any idea what was happening to you? It sounds like you enjoyed the activity for the most part. However, it's hard enough for adults to reckon with the experience and analyze what it all means (their belief systems and state of mind can really throw them for a loop). If we "go in" without knowledge -- especially as a young, inexperienced child, I think we can really get messed up. Still, in some ways being a child may be a good thing (depending on the child) as children are less likely to be colored by the indoctrinations and belief systems of others.

So it was your older sister who "attacked" you and disturbed you, I see. Lol! That must have ticked you off. ;p

As for your attacks by negative entities, I can give you my thoughts on those things based on my own experience. What I determined has stuck with me ever since and kept me strong and grounded during the OBE. "Energy flows where attention goes." Thoughts are "things". On the "other side", we get what we expect.

I think that for each of us, the OBE (kind of like it's all one "plane of existence" but our awareness has suddenly expanded so we notice so much more) is as singularly individual as we are. What happens with this new expanded awareness is based on what we expect. "Entities" that manifest are, from my experience, "grown" out of ourselves. It's easy to do especially if you "go in" (go "inward" -- meaning also expanding outward) with apprehension and fear and little idea of what's really happening and "expect bad entities" to show up. However, when you realize you are in charge and nothing can be manifested or touch you unless you create it and allow it, the experience shifts immediately to empowerment.

For me, these "entities" aren't really "real" to begin with -- born out of a thought one moment, the next moment seemly "real" and "tangible". Then, when I demand they leave, the next moment, poof -- gone. During the OBE, it's exactly the same with the "positive entities", the "people I love", "pets" etc. Are they real? What is real? Is it all in my imagination? It is entirely with meaning and entirely without meaning at the same time.

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What do you mean by "interrupting my sleep patterns (while lying on my back)"?

I have always had my OBEs after having gone to bed and have been sleeping for awhile first... The body position that's always worked for me is lying on my back any old way so long as my limbs are not crossed. It's so important to be very, very comfortable and not feel any part of your body moving. My head is facing up, mouth closed... with the tip of my tongue pressed tight against the front my palate right up behind the back of my top front teeth (heard that somewhere, I think something about that is good for electrical flow?... Besides, after having paid attention to the position of my tongue right after I've come out of spontaneous OBEs, that just so happens to be the position of my tongue lol. It may seem like a little thing, but I think it's key.) It's best not to try to initiate an OBE with anybody lying next to you because that can jar you if they move or touch you.

It's practically impossible for me to OBE if I'm too tired. I've gotten OBE results by setting my alarm to wake me up in the middle of the night after maybe three to five hours of sleep (I normally sleep 7-8 hours). The idea is to get up out of bed, take a bathroom break (wake my brain), then go back to bed. I reset the alarm for maybe an hour later. In the meantime, I use that hour to lie there, with eyes shut, and focus (I like to listen intently). Hopefully, the body is tired enough to fall back to sleep while the brain/mind stays awake in order to initiate an OBE. If I lose consciousness and fall back to sleep, the alarm (set an hour later) will wake me up again so I can try again. And, so on and so on. That gives a few opportunities to initiate an OBE during the night and morning hours.

Note: It's always good to be fully hydrated. Dehydration doesn't feel good to me and, if I ignore my body's warning signs, I'll usually be "rewarded" with a charley horse. I've found it's better to run to the bathroom a few times a night than to be dehydrated. Also, I try not to have a full stomach as that interferes with being able to properly relax.

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I am trying the celibacy as mentioned in the video but it's tough going, lol.

I'm not a guy so I can't really give an opinion whether or not this is a good thing. Here's what I know. The term "orgone" comes from the word "orgasm" which means that there's supposedly some kind of energy all around us that we can tap into and/or pull from within ourselves (as above so below so-to-speak).

I've found that OBEs feel really good... They can be very stimulating, arousing. It's that particular energy... when you feel it, it can be focused and directed up the spine and the sensation seems to envelop the entire body -- which then "explodes" inside the head. It's an amazing feeling. If I had to guess, I'd say that celibacy isn't necessary for men (definitely not for ladies). You don't want to be miserable/uptight (if that's how it makes you feel, I'm guessing). You want to feel good. It's just a matter of timing. Time yourself to store up some of that energy for the OBE because that's what helps initiate the experience.

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I am trying the celibacy as mentioned in the video but it's tough going, lol.

I'm not a guy so I can't really give an opinion whether or not this is a good thing. Here's what I know. The term "orgone" comes from the word "orgasm" which means that there's supposedly some kind of energy all around us that we can tap into and/or pull from within ourselves (as above so below so-to-speak).

I've found that OBEs feel really good... They can be very stimulating, arousing. It's that particular energy... when you feel it, it can be focused and directed up the spine and the sensation seems to envelop the entire body -- which then "explodes" inside the head. It's an amazing feeling. If I had to guess, I'd say that celibacy isn't necessary for men (definitely not for ladies). You don't want to be miserable/uptight (if that's how it makes you feel, I'm guessing). You want to feel good. It's just a matter of timing. Time yourself to store up some of that energy for the OBE because that's what helps initiate the experience.

It will be one week tomorrow I'm going for at least a month, like it says in the video. I think it's worth trying because I am single anyway and the benefit could be huge. I tried once before and when I got about 2 weeks in and something very unusual happened - ladies started giving me lots of compliments and flirting with me very openly. My energy had changed I guess because they never normally did any of that in my entire life, lol. I'm not going full mortification, I am into buddhism and the middle path seems appropriate for me.