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    • Russia's military arsenal in Ukraine war | Hypersonic missiles to tanks | Russia-Ukraine war live
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    The tide has turned. The majority of Americans (55%) now reject funding the war in Ukraine. Funding the war is most popular among liberal Democrats.


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    Quote Posted by ExomatrixTV;1570936[*
    Do I make sense, or is it "too difficult" to comprehend how psyops may work?[*]If true, it is a really sad world we live in!

    Not telling you anything you don't know, but, it may be a bit more streamlined to stick to classic terms such as the Red Herring:

    A red herring is something that misleads or distracts from a relevant or important question. It may be either a logical fallacy or a literary device that leads readers or audiences toward a false conclusion.


    This plus the 85/15 "disinformation rule".

    I saw a slick one yesterday on Lord MacCaulay from an 1835 speech to Parliament. It was not physically possible because he was not in London in 1835. I personally could see right through the 15% disinformation, which was stuck in the 85% generally-true part that he was a supremacist of a similar mindset to what was being claimed.

    And, of course, yes, the article/fake photo is copied across a bunch of websites, even though someone could type in a basic search and disprove it immediately. The story I posted yesterday in this thread was also similar, about the Congressional hearing on "Russian kidnapping", which was unraveled by just a few minutes of open-source documentation. Same with the Nigerene Minister of Finance.

    Not everything crumbles that easily, but a lot of it does.

    Unfortunately even with something simple like the term "False Flag" getting popular a few years back, suddenly the belief is installed that everything that happens is a decoy. Or, the ability to manipulate two sides of a conflict means that Russia must be serving the same command as NATO in order to "run the Ukrainian show".


    I am a little confused by your post because I do not know what the world-wide fake fact-checkers are. Do you mean stuff like Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International? Southern Poverty Law Center? Veterans Today?
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    Quote Posted by shaberon (here)
    Quote Posted by ExomatrixTV;1570936[*
    Do I make sense, or is it "too difficult" to comprehend how psyops may work?[*]If true, it is a really sad world we live in!

    Not telling you anything you don't know, but, it may be a bit more streamlined to stick to classic terms such as the Red Herring:

    A red herring is something that misleads or distracts from a relevant or important question. It may be either a logical fallacy or a literary device that leads readers or audiences toward a false conclusion.

    This plus the 85/15 "disinformation rule".

    I saw a slick one yesterday on Lord MacCaulay from an 1835 speech to Parliament. It was not physically possible because he was not in London in 1835. I personally could see right through the 15% disinformation, which was stuck in the 85% generally-true part that he was a supremacist of a similar mindset to what was being claimed.

    And, of course, yes, the article/fake photo is copied across a bunch of websites, even though someone could type in a basic search and disprove it immediately. The story I posted yesterday in this thread was also similar, about the Congressional hearing on "Russian kidnapping", which was unraveled by just a few minutes of open-source documentation. Same with the Nigerene Minister of Finance.

    Not everything crumbles that easily, but a lot of it does.

    Unfortunately even with something simple like the term "False Flag" getting popular a few years back, suddenly the belief is installed that everything that happens is a decoy. Or, the ability to manipulate two sides of a conflict means that Russia must be serving the same command as NATO in order to "run the Ukrainian show".

    I am a little confused by your post because I do not know what the world-wide fake fact-checkers are. Do you mean stuff like Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International? Southern Poverty Law Center? Veterans Today?
    I mean all fact-checkers sites (like Reuters) working closely with Big Social Media Platforms like: YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, Spotify, Pinterest, LinkedIn, WhatsApp, Tumblr, Meta, WeChat etc. to be used to FLAG people resulting in being: shadowbanned, deplatformed, buried, delisted, censored, demonetized, eventually banned completely.

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    • Russia Ukraine War: The TRUTH Behind How It All Started - Not Explained By MSM!

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    🇺🇦 “Ukrainians die for an Ukraine without Ukrainians” — A rally of mothers of dead soldiers has started in Kiev. One of the protesters is sure that the war is for an Ukraine separate from Ukrainians, where all the land will be bought up by foreigners and local people will be used only as organ donors. She is also sure that it is not her son’s body that lies in the grave, but the remains, which were placed in the coffin to put a “dot” in the story of the missing man.

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    An unnamed Ukranian woman asked about Zelensky's whereabouts, therefore, Putin has a secret plot to kill Zelensky.


    Ukraine claims it foiled Russian plot to kill Zelensky
    A woman allegedly feeding information on the president’s whereabouts has been arrested
    https://www.rt.com/russia/580978-ukr...nsky-plot-sbu/

    The Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) announced on Monday that it had arrested a woman who had passed intelligence to the Russians about the location of President Vladimir Zelensky, so they could try and kill him.

    The suspect is a resident of the port city of Ochakov, in Nikolaev Region, who used to work at a military supply store as a sales clerk, according to the authorities. The SBU said they caught her “red handed” while passing intelligence to the “invaders.”

    The woman, who has not been named, allegedly inquired about Zelensky’s schedule and route ahead of his visit to Nikolaev in June. The SBU detected her and implemented additional security measures to protect the president, while deploying agents to gather more evidence on the suspected “Russian informant.”

    Ukraine’s security service alleges the woman also sought to identify the location of electronic warfare systems and ammunition warehouses in the Ochakov area, so that the Russians could target them in a “massive air strike.” She allegedly traveled around the district and photographed the location of Ukrainian Armed Forces objects, while also secretly inquiring about them in the “social institutions” of the region.

    The Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) announced on Monday that it had arrested a woman who had passed intelligence to the Russians about the location of President Vladimir Zelensky, so they could try and kill him.

    The suspect is a resident of the port city of Ochakov, in Nikolaev Region, who used to work at a military supply store as a sales clerk, according to the authorities. The SBU said they caught her “red handed” while passing intelligence to the “invaders.”

    The woman, who has not been named, allegedly inquired about Zelensky’s schedule and route ahead of his visit to Nikolaev in June. The SBU detected her and implemented additional security measures to protect the president, while deploying agents to gather more evidence on the suspected “Russian informant.”

    Ukraine’s security service alleges the woman also sought to identify the location of electronic warfare systems and ammunition warehouses in the Ochakov area, so that the Russians could target them in a “massive air strike.” She allegedly traveled around the district and photographed the location of Ukrainian Armed Forces objects, while also secretly inquiring about them in the “social institutions” of the region.
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    The Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) announced on Monday that it had arrested a woman who had passed intelligence to the Russians about the location of President Vladimir Zelensky, so they could try and kill him.

    That part of the report is essentially meaningless.

    Russia could do that at almost any time, and if they were going to have done it then, what "measures" might have possibly prevented it?

    The rest of it is plausible, there are such woolgatherers everywhere. The point of "watching" her for an extended period of time neither makes sense, nor protects much of anything. I don't recall it being a significant targeting area lately. Nevertheless, one would expect SBU to pounce on someone rather more quickly. This actually suggests to me that Ukraine is wanting to move in some valuable equipment to attempt more sea-based warfare while Odessa falls apart.

    You can see Ochakiv on today's big map on the coast between Odessa and Kherson:






    Does it look like you would make it from Kiev if Russia was trying to hit you?

    It sounds to me like predictably lame PR about someone who perhaps was not very good at her job, or, there is stuff that as of the past few days that they don't want to be spied on.

    The fact of having to use this big map to even find it, shows that it is a zone of practically no military activity so far.


    And I just found a quote from another page:

    The activity of Ukrainian forces in the area of Orekhov remains low.
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    Quote Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
    I mean all fact-checkers sites (like Reuters) working closely with Big Social Media Platforms like: YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, Spotify, Pinterest, LinkedIn, WhatsApp, Tumblr, Meta, WeChat etc. to be used to FLAG people resulting in being: shadowbanned, deplatformed, buried, delisted, censored, demonetized, eventually banned completely.

    Okay.

    Well, just looking at what Reuters has today, they dismissed an alleged quote from Yuval Harari. This is almost exactly like the 1835 Lord MacCaulay thing I just mentioned. They go on to add:


    Quote She also said that Harari has never met Schwab and that he has never been a WEF employee, board member or adviser.

    A spokesperson for the Forum, Dai Di, also said Harari is “not affiliated” with the WEF.

    While Harari has spoken at WEF events (tinyurl.com/yc38spuk), his name does not appear among the Forum’s board of trustees, managing board or executive committee (here).

    Which, as far as I know, may be completely true.

    Ideologically, does he feed them a bunch of stuff that I, personally, don't like--yes, he still is not someone whose decisions I would want to affect me.

    It is a mixed bag, because if I want to call out what he really says and WEF voluntarily agrees with, then, attributing him with things that are *not* what he says and does, are an obstruction.

    The damning quote was about this exact same subject, people being "eliminated", or, that is, banned from the internet, and, when tracked to the group that extracted such from a podcast a few weeks ago:


    The People’s Voice did not immediately respond to requests for comment.


    Rather, in the “conspiracy” section of the podcast, Harari spoke about why conspiracy theories are so attractive and how dangerous they can be.


    "Freedom of speech" seems to make everything get twisted around quickly--and it is not all CIA controlled opposition. India has at least 700 millions repeating the 1835 distortion of a speech that actually took place in Calcutta, not London...these are mostly the Modi supporters.

    On the other hand, rules that force you to conform to politically-correct speech are not any better.

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    https://twitter.com/djuric_zlatko/st...87796763308032



    https://twitter.com/djuric_zlatko/st...87803432214528



    https://twitter.com/djuric_zlatko/st...87230729396224



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    https://twitter.com/djuric_zlatko/st...84723848396800




    https://twitter.com/djuric_zlatko/st...84729401622528

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    In 2013 Ukrainian students had a gathering and chanted all their European values!

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    Values are:
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    Hm, aren’t we told Ukraine is a peaceful nation?

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    Quote Posted by Isserley (here)
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Russians are human too.
    (A special message here for anyone reading this who still doesn't believe that)
    This is an insane assumption.. Unbelievable and in my opinion it is impossible for anyone who comes here to think that Russians are not people. insane and ridiculous.

    Some people state that Russians are NOT human.They actually say those words. Look at this, from yesterday.

    The text:

    Spokesman of the Ukrainian Territorial Defense Forces, Sarah Ashton Cirillo, describes the difference between the Ukrainian and Russian combatants:

    "We're human, and those guys... most definitely aren't."


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    Ten things about dehumanising that will surprise you!


    Clickbait!!!1
    Sorry
    For some people, like some people we all know, who are tagging along with the narrative, well this dehumanising slant once they think about it, it could be a clear sign to themselves they have taken a wrong step. It won't convince everyone but it's a pretty good angle imho. So I thought I'd clickbait it.

    Quote Some people state that Russians are NOT human. They actually say those words. Look at this, from yesterday.
    Humans v.s. humans play football at Christmas between the trenches.

    Saladin was praised for his political and military skills AND his generosity and chivalry. I have a feeling these historical combatants regarded their foes as human in amongst the heat. After all is said and done I feel for the conscripted Ukrainians.

    Here are the ten things about dehumanising that won't surprise you, but might surprise someone:


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    In spite of U.S. and NATO sanctions against Russia, the Russian economy is flourishing, and the oligarchs of Russia are falling in line behind Putin.

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    Russian army hits Ukraine’s drone command center east of Makarovka — Defense Ministry 7 AUG

    The forward units of the battle group East, supported by artillery, have been delivering pre-emptive fire strikes on the enemy

    MOSCOW, August 7. /TASS/. Russia’s battle group East has wiped out a temporary deployment site of Ukrainian militants in the Ugledar district, manpower in the Uglesborochnaya district and a drone command center, the group’s spokesman Oleg Chekhov has said.

    "Howitzer artillery destroyed the militants’ temporary deployment site in the area of Ugledar, the nationalists’ manpower in the area of Uglesborochnaya, a mortar crew east of Urozhaynoye, and a drone command center east of Makarovka," Chekhov said in a video uploaded to the Russian Defense Ministry's Telegram channel.

    The forward units of the battle group East, supported by artillery, have been delivering pre-emptive fire strikes on the enemy.

    "Artillery fire has destroyed a pickup truck with nationalists near Novomikhailovka, a mortar crew and a group of militants north of Nikolskoye. <...> An M777 howitzer west of Neskuchnoye was destroyed with a Lancet loitering munition," Chekhov added.

    He specified that Russian aircraft hit the sites of temporary deployment, as well as the Ukrainian army’s manpower and equipment in the areas of Staromayorskoye, Makarovka and Priyutnoye.

    "The crew of an anti-aircraft missile system Tor shot down Ukraine’s unmanned aerial vehicle Leleka," he said

    https://tass.com/politics/1657433
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    Russian troops liberate five settlements in Kharkov Region
    — administration 8 AUG

    Vitaly Ganchev pointed out that the movement of Russian forces "deep into the enemy's territory is quite active"

    MOSCOW, August 8. /TASS/. Five settlements in the Kharkov Region have come under the control of the Russian armed forces in recent days, the head of the Kharkov military-civilian administration Vitaly Ganchev said.

    "In recent days, five settlements have been added to the territories of the Kharkov Region that are under our control," he said during a Channel One TV broadcast, calling this result of the advance of Russian forces "a serious indicator."

    Ganchev pointed out that the movement of Russian forces "deep into the enemy's territory is quite active."

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