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    Quote the Zionists need the Big lies to hide behind as they are so Big of blame
    I know

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    Quote Posted by araucaria (here)
    I'm only on page 5 and this fascinating thread is already zipping off in all directions . So et me start by saying something I won't be reading in the next ten pages.

    My daughter is currently writing up her history thesis on deportees to a concentration camp (Mauthausen). These historians are not mathematicians and their sampling methods often leave a lot to be desired, nothing sinister there.

    My daughter has focused on a group where no one is left by the wayside. It includes common law criminals, communists and people who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. She has examined each individual's file and her conclusions, whatever they are, will therefore be unassailable from the standpoint of sampling.

    Obviously given the huge numbers of deportees, this is not going to happen anytime soon for them all. But ultimately, a holocaust is the sum total of individual cases that need to be counted. The figure of 5-6 million Jewish deaths predates the actual event by 30-40 years. I have a reference somewhere. We know a lot of people were killed in WW2, but who, and when, and where, and how, that is the question. How many is the end point of this research not the starting point.

    I have a second point with regard to a little known Jewish settlement in the Soviet Union in the 1920s (!) which I fear was a victim of its own success; I shall quote from Ron Chernow, The Warburgs, p 292-3:

    "The saga of the Soviet Jewish farm settlements is a forgotten chapter of history. The project spoke to a long-standing Jewish dream of escaping from job restrictions imposed upon European Jews since medieval times. Farming held an ancient attraction for Jewish urbanities. (...) As bankers who were dismayed by invidious clichés about Jewish cleverness with money, the Warburgs favored Jews entering the full spectrum of employment (...) The scale of Agri-Joint colonization was awesome. In a dozen years, it transplanted more than a quarter-million Soviet Jews to 215 colonies spread over two and a half million acres of land. They rode a thousand American-made tractors (...) The bulk of Zionists, however, regarded the colonies as a dangerous distraction.'

    And yet, we are told, it was the Soviets who pulled the plug on this venture. Go figure. There was a solution outside of Palestine, back in 1924, but then resettling the Jews was perhaps never the main issue.

    Incidentally, I think this is a great example for us at Avalon thinking about a new and different future. We need to look at and build on its achievements, and fully understand how it never came about.

    I had a third point, I'll come back later.
    Aha, you speak of the Jewish Autonomous Region aka Birobidzhan.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birobidzhan
    Not many people know about that.

    Quote Posted by aikisaw (here)
    FYI in reference to living in Germany.

    Quote Northern Boy


    Sounds to me like it could be very possible ............ I was born there I no longer live there
    Quote Lord Sidious
    This is Ernst Zundel interviewing a prof in France called Roger Dommergue.
    Roger is jewish and talking to Ernst about the holocaust and the 3rd Reich.

    I just found this letter he wrote as well.
    http://www.ety.com/HRP/letters/dommergue.htm
    This is the exact thing I meant about liberating the jews and the rest of us from this story.
    I liked the videos and the letter. Very powerful revelations in both.

    I remember reading about Hitler helping with the founding of Israel.
    I did not have time to do much research at the time. Here is a paragraph and the link. Pretty good deal in my opinion. http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Arch.../msg00514.html
    Quote Chancellor A. Hitler

    Adolf Hitler became Chancellor of Germany in January 1933, and on the
    7th August 1933 he entered into a Pact with representatives of the
    World Jewish Agency, the future Leaders of Israel. The Pact was called
    the 'Haavara' Agreement. 'Haavara in Hebrew means much like, 'Moving
    house'. The Ha'avara Agreement, was an agreement between the Jews
    living in Germany and Germany specifically allowing Jews living in
    Germany, the privilege of taking their money with them, usually by a
    round about means, to Palestine.
    Please excuse if I read it in this thread . My brain is starting to turn to mush.
    I'm pretty sure I found out about it on another blog. I just can't remember.
    I do believe I mentioned Haavara already.
    Funny thing is, you guys remember Adolf Eichmann?
    When he was asked in Jerusalem at his trial what his occupation in the SS was, he said transport officer.
    His job was to actualise parts of the Haavara to get jews to Palestine.
    He even did deals to swap jews for trucks, believe it or not.
    His reward for this was death by hanging.
    Ask yourselves this, whilst on trial, why would he need to be inside a glass booth that was soundproof?
    Why did they turn off his mic all the time?
    Why will they not release his diary/ies and memoirs to his son?

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    Quote Posted by aikisaw (here)

    (respectfully snipped)

    I did not have time to do much research at the time. Here is a paragraph and the link. Pretty good deal in my opinion. http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Arch.../msg00514.html
    At the bottom of that link is another link I found interesting: http://www.codoh.com/viewpoints/vpauswanderung.html

    Reading up on the Germany Must Perish tip from Lord Sidious, my conclusion is that whilst sterilisation of Germans was not achieved, the dilution of "German stock" (sorry, can't think of a better term) was certainly achieved. In the 1960s at the latest, single-mother family units sky-rocketed throughout Germany. Wherever there was an American base nearby, there were single mothers raising their half-American children very single-handedly. Why? Because if a German pregnant woman or mother tried to get child support from the American soldier who'd impregnated her, the Army HQ or embassy contacted would simply deny any help whatsoever. Those women were alone, very alone, because in the eyes of the American government as well as the German government, American soldiers "wouldn't do that." There are at the very least hundreds of thousands of half-Americans in Germany today, probably closer to millions, so, yes, not many "pure-blood" Germans around.
    Next one for you. Go google this book and read up on this; ''Other losses'' and get ready to get angry.

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    Quote Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
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    Funny thing is, you guys remember Adolf Eichmann?
    When he was asked in Jerusalem at his trial what his occupation in the SS was, he said transport officer.
    His job was to actualise parts of the Haavara to get jews to Palestine.
    He even did deals to swap jews for trucks, believe it or not.
    His reward for this was death by hanging.
    Ask yourselves this, whilst on trial, why would he need to be inside a glass booth that was soundproof?
    Why did they turn off his mic all the time?
    Why will they not release his diary/ies and memoirs to his son?

    Next one for you. Go google this book and read up on this; ''Other losses'' and get ready to get angry.
    A mere confirmation of my suspicions isn't going to get me angry.

    There was an author, some time ago, I think his book was "Ship of the Damned" that showed how neither the Brits nor the French nor the Americans wanted to take the load of German Jews on that ship. I read it decades ago. Not so sure it's relevant, but the guy was allegedly an investigative journalist and of Irish origin. He wrote about the Vatican as well in a different book, and several other subjects that the MSM might call explosive. It kind of fits in with it all.

    **Edited to add**

    I need to learn about Eichmann. Last I read was the Israeli spy's account on capturing him in S. America. It's been too long. Sigh. ~returns to google~
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    Since this thread has a lot of info in it, is there a good way to summarize it without? Maybe all links could be put in the first post, so people can start reading themselves and not need to dig through the pages (or is that just me being lazy )

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    Quote Go google this book and read up on this; ''Other losses'' and get ready to get angry.
    Same procedure applied in the Netherlands. After the war collaborators with the germans, returning soldiers who fought for the germans and randomly suspected people were interned in the several transportation/concentration camps. For instance, in transportation/concentration camp Vught from july '45 till jan/feb '46 "morally correct" dutch people were allowed to punish germans, 'wrong' children, men and elderly people. I do not know how many prisoners died during that period. There was no law or order, just the random behaviour of the "morally correct" dutch guards who were plain civilians..

    The mention of the book of the ships with the jews is interesting I think. It at least shows countries were reluctant to let jews enter. Except if you were bringing business and money (like Otto Frank). There are numerous stories of jews being deported back to germany from the netherlands before the war. Why do that?

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    Quote Posted by Gustav (here)
    Since this thread has a lot of info in it, is there a good way to summarize it without? Maybe all links could be put in the first post, so people can start reading themselves and not need to dig through the pages (or is that just me being lazy )

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    Quote Go google this book and read up on this; ''Other losses'' and get ready to get angry.
    Same procedure applied in the Netherlands. After the war collaborators with the germans, returning soldiers who fought for the germans and randomly suspected people were interned in the several transportation/concentration camps. For instance, in transportation/concentration camp Vught from july '45 till jan/feb '46 "morally correct" dutch people were allowed to punish germans, 'wrong' children, men and elderly people. I do not know how many prisoners died during that period. There was no law or order, just the random behaviour of the "morally correct" dutch guards who were plain civilians..

    The mention of the book of the ships with the jews is interesting I think. It at least shows countries were reluctant to let jews enter. Except if you were bringing business and money (like Otto Frank). There are numerous stories of jews being deported back to germany from the netherlands before the war. Why do that?
    I don't want a concise version, sorry. The journey is where you get the info, not the destination.
    Thanks for the info about the Dutch camps.
    What they acheived is to get rid of most of the people who could contradict the current version of ''history'' and so it stands.
    The way jews have been perceived is not always as good people. There has always been a core amongst them of troublemakers and that has had the whole lot classed as undesirables.
    We too have troublemakers, but the jews are an alien community everywhere they go, so they stick out.

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    Quote Lord Sidious

    Next one for you. Go google this book and read up on this; ''Other losses'' and get ready to get angry
    Well that certainly did not make my day.

    I found this interesting perspective on this page

    http://www.rense.com/general46/germ.htm
    Quote Note: During Cadet Eisenhower's time at West Point Academy, Eisenhower was summoned to the office of the headmaster and was asked some pointed questions. At the time, it was routine procedure to test a cadet's blood to insure White racial integrity.

    Apparently, there was a question of Eisenhower's racial lineage and this was brought to Eisenhower's attention by the headmaster. When asked if he was part Oriental, Eisenhower replied in the negative. After some discussion, Eisenhower admitted having Jewish background. The headmaster then reportedly said, "That's where you get your Oriental blood?" Although he was allowed to remain at the academy, word got around since this was a time in history when non-Whites were not allowed into the academy. Note - The issue of Eisenhower's little-known Jewish background in academically essential in understanding his psychopathic hatred of German men, women and children.

    Later, in Eisenhower's West Point Military Academy graduating class yearbook, published in 1915, Eisenhower is identified as a "terrible Swedish Jew."
    More about the camps here

    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v10/v10p161_Brech.html

    http://www.ihr.org/other/afterthereich072007.html

    I am assuming that Eisenhower was chosen one of the Zionist's through the 1940's and 50's. His poor performance at West Point and less than stellar military career would not have led to the promotions he received. MacArthur asked that he be removed from his staff. If memory serves he had major military blunders in Africa and Greece before being given the Allied command.

    The book you reference Other Losses has been around since 1989. I heard about it today.

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    I told you it would make you angry.

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    I just posted this on another thread, the book tells the the whole history of this subject. Sync of sorts

    http://www.controversyofzion.info/

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    We were having a discussion in a different thread about the meaning of the swastika and the colors that Germany had chosen for their flag. https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post143347

    I thought that the people who chose these symbols would have had a very good education at the time. Hitler seems to have had not much of an education at all.
    If not he, then who was the driving intellectual force behind the Nazi's?

    Hitler originally took money from the Zionist bankers then in 1933 started printing his own money. This made him a threat to the bankers as well as the Vatican. The two have an arrangement of some kind. Thus the bankers declared war on him. I'm sure it is no accident that this when the Jewish societies within Germany at the time also declared war on him.

    One thing you can credit the Zionist with they are thorough. When they declare war they are not kidding.

    Is this what the USA will have to through to get rid of the Federal Reserve?
    http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/6720
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    Quote Posted by Gardener (here)
    I just posted this on another thread, the book tells the the whole history of this subject. Sync of sorts

    http://www.controversyofzion.info/

    g
    Yes, Douglas Reed is a very good writer.

    Quote Posted by aikisaw (here)
    We were having a discussion in a different thread about the meaning of the swastika and the colors that Germany had chosen for their flag. https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-US-Exhibition

    I thought that the people who chose these symbols would have had a very good education at the time. Hitler seems to have had not much of an education at all.
    If not he, then who was the driving intellectual force behind the Nazi's?

    Hitler originally took money from the Zionist bankers then in 1933 started printing his own money. This made him a threat to the bankers as well as the Vatican. The two have an arrangement of some kind. Thus the bankers declared war on him. I'm sure it is no accident that this when the Jewish societies within Germany at the time also declared war on him.

    One thing you can credit the Zionist with they are thorough. When they declare war they are not kidding.

    Is this what the USA will have to through to get rid of the Federal Reserve?
    http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/6720
    Let me ask you this, why do you assume that because someone has little formal education, they may not be intelligent?
    I would put to you that other statesman of the time that met him remarked on his intelligence.
    This is of course way before the propaganda time.
    Oh, and yes, he did indeed take the money of the zionist banker scum.
    From what I can figure, he played along until a point where he believed he could make the break and survive.
    And as we know now, he was wrong, the Reich became physically occupied and they had to then disperse the manpower and equipment to other places for later.
    What some of you would call the Fourth Reich.
    But it isn't, the Third one isn't done yet.

    You guys have no idea what rabbit holes I am going to lead you all down.
    But don't worry, it is a guided tour and you won't get lost.
    I will even give commentary.

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    With respect, I am slightly puzzled. I quote at length from an academic book (which I don't take as gospel, not by any means) on an experiment of the 1920s and, without further elaboration, you quote back Wikipedia regarding the remnant surviving at that place today. I just don't understand what you are driving at. Imagine the same discussion with regard to Hiroshima, what are you trying to tell me?

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    Quote Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
    Quote Posted by Gardener (here)
    I just posted this on another thread, the book tells the the whole history of this subject. Sync of sorts

    http://www.controversyofzion.info/

    g
    Yes, Douglas Reed is a very good writer.

    Quote Posted by aikisaw (here)
    We were having a discussion in a different thread about the meaning of the swastika and the colors that Germany had chosen for their flag. https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-US-Exhibition

    I thought that the people who chose these symbols would have had a very good education at the time. Hitler seems to have had not much of an education at all.
    If not he, then who was the driving intellectual force behind the Nazi's?

    Hitler originally took money from the Zionist bankers then in 1933 started printing his own money. This made him a threat to the bankers as well as the Vatican. The two have an arrangement of some kind. Thus the bankers declared war on him. I'm sure it is no accident that this when the Jewish societies within Germany at the time also declared war on him.

    One thing you can credit the Zionist with they are thorough. When they declare war they are not kidding.

    Is this what the USA will have to through to get rid of the Federal Reserve?
    http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/6720
    Let me ask you this, why do you assume that because someone has little formal education, they may not be intelligent?
    I would put to you that other statesman of the time that met him remarked on his intelligence.
    This is of course way before the propaganda time.
    Oh, and yes, he did indeed take the money of the zionist banker scum.
    From what I can figure, he played along until a point where he believed he could make the break and survive.
    And as we know now, he was wrong, the Reich became physically occupied and they had to then disperse the manpower and equipment to other places for later.
    What some of you would call the Fourth Reich.
    But it isn't, the Third one isn't done yet.

    You guys have no idea what rabbit holes I am going to lead you all down.
    But don't worry, it is a guided tour and you won't get lost.
    I will even give commentary.
    I was not implying that he was dumb. He obviously brought a country out of a depression and had it motivated economically, spiritually, and militarily. This is quite an accomplishment given what i have been able to find about his education.

    Are you saying that Hitler was the intellectual force behind the Nazi's? The only one?

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    Lord Sidious
    With respect, I am slightly puzzled. I quote at length from an academic book (which I don't take as gospel, not by any means) on an experiment of the 1920s and, without further elaboration, you quote back Wikipedia regarding the remnant surviving at that place today. I just don't understand what you are driving at. Imagine the same discussion with regard to Hiroshima, what are you trying to tell me?
    You mentioned the jewish colonies in the soviet union.
    I assumed you were speaking of Birobidzhan.

    Quote Posted by aikisaw (here)
    Quote Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
    Quote Posted by Gardener (here)
    I just posted this on another thread, the book tells the the whole history of this subject. Sync of sorts

    http://www.controversyofzion.info/

    g
    Yes, Douglas Reed is a very good writer.

    Quote Posted by aikisaw (here)
    We were having a discussion in a different thread about the meaning of the swastika and the colors that Germany had chosen for their flag. https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-US-Exhibition

    I thought that the people who chose these symbols would have had a very good education at the time. Hitler seems to have had not much of an education at all.
    If not he, then who was the driving intellectual force behind the Nazi's?

    Hitler originally took money from the Zionist bankers then in 1933 started printing his own money. This made him a threat to the bankers as well as the Vatican. The two have an arrangement of some kind. Thus the bankers declared war on him. I'm sure it is no accident that this when the Jewish societies within Germany at the time also declared war on him.

    One thing you can credit the Zionist with they are thorough. When they declare war they are not kidding.

    Is this what the USA will have to through to get rid of the Federal Reserve?
    http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/6720
    Let me ask you this, why do you assume that because someone has little formal education, they may not be intelligent?
    I would put to you that other statesman of the time that met him remarked on his intelligence.
    This is of course way before the propaganda time.
    Oh, and yes, he did indeed take the money of the zionist banker scum.
    From what I can figure, he played along until a point where he believed he could make the break and survive.
    And as we know now, he was wrong, the Reich became physically occupied and they had to then disperse the manpower and equipment to other places for later.
    What some of you would call the Fourth Reich.
    But it isn't, the Third one isn't done yet.

    You guys have no idea what rabbit holes I am going to lead you all down.
    But don't worry, it is a guided tour and you won't get lost.
    I will even give commentary.
    I was not implying that he was dumb. He obviously brought a country out of a depression and had it motivated economically, spiritually, and militarily. This is quite an accomplishment given what i have been able to find about his education.

    Are you saying that Hitler was the intellectual force behind the Nazi's? The only one?
    No, he wasn't the only one, if I had to say what he was, I would say the driving force.

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    Lord Sidious
    With respect, I am slightly puzzled. I quote at length from an academic book (which I don't take as gospel, not by any means) on an experiment of the 1920s and, without further elaboration, you quote back Wikipedia regarding the remnant surviving at that place today. I just don't understand what you are driving at. Imagine the same discussion with regard to Hiroshima, what are you trying to tell me?
    You mentioned the jewish colonies in the soviet union.
    I assumed you were speaking of Birobidzhan.
    I was speaking of a quarter million people 85 years ago, you are talking of a community of 77K in the 21st century, which is to dilute what I was saying not only in terms of numbers but also in terms of history. Why are you doing that - without any commentary - is my question? My point being that a Jewish state outside of Palestine proven back then to be viable was a no-no.

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    If you want some information about state sponsored terrorism (wether US or Israel or else), make sure to check out Noam Chomsky, lots of conferences of this beautiful guy on youtube. Really a nice source for information on the macro scale.

    He's now around his 70s, I hope this guy lasts for ever.

    One thing I want to stress out about the subject of this thread is that in the medias, being anti-zionist actually equals being antisemitic. No turn around on this one, they all become donkeys as soon as the state of Israel gets criticized in some way.
    It is a terrorist state, no doubt about it, but being jew IS NOT being zionist and we should always be able to make that difference which "they" are unwilling to make.


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    Quote Posted by araucaria (here)
    Quote Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
    Quote Posted by araucaria (here)
    Lord Sidious
    With respect, I am slightly puzzled. I quote at length from an academic book (which I don't take as gospel, not by any means) on an experiment of the 1920s and, without further elaboration, you quote back Wikipedia regarding the remnant surviving at that place today. I just don't understand what you are driving at. Imagine the same discussion with regard to Hiroshima, what are you trying to tell me?
    You mentioned the jewish colonies in the soviet union.
    I assumed you were speaking of Birobidzhan.
    I was speaking of a quarter million people 85 years ago, you are talking of a community of 77K in the 21st century, which is to dilute what I was saying not only in terms of numbers but also in terms of history. Why are you doing that - without any commentary - is my question? My point being that a Jewish state outside of Palestine proven back then to be viable was a no-no.
    I read your posts and I still don't know what you are trying to say.
    I sense some frustration from you.
    Did you read that page on Birobidzhan?
    That wasn't about the 21st century, it was about the time period that you spoke of.
    I am not trying to do anything, I just don't get what you mean.

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    If you want some information about state sponsored terrorism (wether US or Israel or else), make sure to check out Noam Chomsky, lots of conferences of this beautiful guy on youtube. Really a nice source for information on the macro scale.

    He's now around his 70s, I hope this guy lasts for ever.

    One thing I want to stress out about the subject of this thread is that in the medias, being anti-zionist actually equals being antisemitic. No turn around on this one, they all become donkeys as soon as the state of Israel gets criticized in some way.
    It is a terrorist state, no doubt about it, but being jew IS NOT being zionist and we should always be able to make that difference which "they" are unwilling to make.


    Peace


    Bucky
    You know what is funny Bucky? There are many jews who are anti-zionist and they get called self hating jews!
    Can you believe that crap?

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    But its worse, they are also God´s choosen tribe.
    This give them a lot of rights too.
    Read the Urantia book on the Pentecostal to the gentiles the last sermon from Jesus before ascension.

    That statement was a lie after that sermon on the mount.

    God was very displeased with is chosen when they sided to kill the Christ. They have forgotten that little chapter in the New Testament. If you control the knowledge, message and books of learning, you control the soul and creativity.

    That's all they have done. All else is history right in front of your eyes, if you but look around and see the same stuff on a different day. Manipulation of the masses and keeping them in the dark of the truth.
    Or as they say in the Urantia Book: "Priestly fetters of bondage to the material world, and not the kingdom.

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    Quote Posted by Lifebringer (here)
    But its worse, they are also God´s choosen tribe.
    This give them a lot of rights too.
    Read the Urantia book on the Pentecostal to the gentiles the last sermon from Jesus before ascension.

    That statement was a lie after that sermon on the mount.

    God was very displeased with is chosen when they sided to kill the Christ. They have forgotten that little chapter in the New Testament. If you control the knowledge, message and books of learning, you control the soul and creativity.

    That's all they have done. All else is history right in front of your eyes, if you but look around and see the same stuff on a different day. Manipulation of the masses and keeping them in the dark of the truth.
    Or as they say in the Urantia Book: "Priestly fetters of bondage to the material world, and not the kingdom.
    Which god chose them?
    What did this god choose them to do?
    And as for the rest of your post, that hangs on a large assumption and that is the assumption that the abrahamic systems are genuine.
    I don't believe they are, but many do.

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    With respect, I am slightly puzzled. I quote at length from an academic book (which I don't take as gospel, not by any means) on an experiment of the 1920s and, without further elaboration, you quote back Wikipedia regarding the remnant surviving at that place today. I just don't understand what you are driving at. Imagine the same discussion with regard to Hiroshima, what are you trying to tell me?
    You mentioned the jewish colonies in the soviet union.
    I assumed you were speaking of Birobidzhan.
    I was speaking of a quarter million people 85 years ago, you are talking of a community of 77K in the 21st century, which is to dilute what I was saying not only in terms of numbers but also in terms of history. Why are you doing that - without any commentary - is my question? My point being that a Jewish state outside of Palestine proven back then to be viable was a no-no.
    I read your posts and I still don't know what you are trying to say.
    I sense some frustration from you.
    Did you read that page on Birobidzhan?
    That wasn't about the 21st century, it was about the time period that you spoke of.
    I am not trying to do anything, I just don't get what you mean.

    Quote Posted by buckminster fuller (here)
    If you want some information about state sponsored terrorism (wether US or Israel or else), make sure to check out Noam Chomsky, lots of conferences of this beautiful guy on youtube. Really a nice source for information on the macro scale.

    He's now around his 70s, I hope this guy lasts for ever.

    One thing I want to stress out about the subject of this thread is that in the medias, being anti-zionist actually equals being antisemitic. No turn around on this one, they all become donkeys as soon as the state of Israel gets criticized in some way.
    It is a terrorist state, no doubt about it, but being jew IS NOT being zionist and we should always be able to make that difference which "they" are unwilling to make.


    Peace


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    You know what is funny Bucky? There are many jews who are anti-zionist and they get called self hating jews!
    Can you believe that crap?
    Sadly aware of that... In france we have a showman, the most humoristic guy from here.. (Dieudonné) He did a play about a zionist colon and got called an antisemit right after that. The guy is not jew, but he did invite rabins to his theater who clearly expresses anti-zionist views. Following his play about the zionist colon, the medias here just stopped giving him any means to do his job. No more tv, movies, newspapers... Noone would let him express himself anymore, not only on the subject of Israel being one of the worst terrorist state those days, but to do his job at all. He gets no invites to theaters through the country and is now delivering his shows in a bus circling the country.

    Do check Noam Chomsky people..

    Peace

    Bucky

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    Ah yes, the comedian.
    I recall the story.
    Not interested in chomsky, sorry.
    No time for left wing pretenders.
    No offense to you, just my tolerance for them is at -12.434 and dropping.

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