Man, the psychopath. Will nature fight back?

[Heart to heart]

These words were given in 2013 about the balance of Nature and Man.
I believe I may have posted in one of my earlier threads and it still makes a great deal of sense considering the topsy-turvy world we find ourselves in at this time.

I constantly remind myself and others that death is a bogeyman we have been fed as a control mechanism, when in fact we cannot die because we are eternal universal beings of energy and as such whatever is happening here on this planet it will only ever be temporary where the physical form is concerned. Our problem has always been the free will we were gifted. We have the choice to follow the way of the psychopath or the Divine.

Now to Nature and Man and their relationship.

“Understand that Man is a system doing exactly what is required to supply Nature with balance. But what is occurring is the balance required for Nature is becoming out of balance. Man is over-balancing, over-compensating for the need for Nature, so therefore Nature will over-compensate and it will bring Man into balance.

We will tell you how Nature will eventually create the balance it needs.

Look at Man as furniture. Furniture is required within a household to supply the comforts and needs of the human being.
So if the furniture is not required, or there is too much furniture in the room, Man will eventually remove the furniture or strip it down to his basic requirements. The Nature Kingdom will always do this.

So understand that Man is surplus to requirements if he pushes the boundaries of what Nature needs.
Nature is not in charge, it is just requiring Balance.

Man is not in charge and never was. Man was geared towards Thought, which allowed him to think that he is in control of many aspects of what goes on. BUT can he control the way the grass grows? Can he control the tides? Can he control the way the wind blows? Can he control the sky or the weather?

He tries but can only manage a small amount of what actually goes on.

In truth it is Nature that is in control, but not in a formatted sort of way. There is no equation or purpose as to how Nature functions. It does as it does. It blows as it blows.

It is important to understand that Nature is doing what it needs, but Man is NOT doing what it needs, Man is doing what it GREEDS. Man is geared towards self-fulfilment, self consolidating its thought pattern, creating comfort, creating GREED fulfilment.

But in truth the success behind all those things is relinquishing oneself of the boundaries of what Man creates around himself and getting back to Nature, getting back to natural forms of thinking.

This is not about giving up everything one owns, it is about ACCEPTING THAT NOTHING SHOULD GAIN CONTROL OVER OUR THOUGHT PATTERNS!

When we allow nothing to gain control over our THOUGHTS we regain control of what those thought patterns were created for in the first place, which is TO SERVE THE BALANCE OF NATURE.

This needs to be considered and understood”

How much longer we will have to tolerate the actions of the destructive psychopaths seemingly in control of our beautiful planet is up to Man when he is prepared to make a stand and say enough is enough.

[aoibhghaire]

Historically, the psychopath has been dominant in history as an unbalanced aspect, disconnecting the masses from the power of nature. Nature can fight back to address the re balance necessary for nature to evolve. However, humans when in true partnership with nature can be a very powerful force not just on a micro scale but on a macro scale as described below as a reality in a true story in our life time. This partnership with nature applied on a global scale would be a quantum leap for mankind. The resonant frequencies of the psychopath
will naturally be disrupted and phased out as the natural balanced frequency takes over.

LOST CONNECTION WITH NATURE

Because people have lost the true connection with nature, in particular, unaware of the power they have with using co creative tools in their lives they have to see this kind of life through fiction. What is displayed as fiction in books, education, TV, cinema, etc are an exaggerated form of dynamics. Miracles by initiates in some of the religious scriptures may be treated by many as god like figures where the witnesses don’t have the where for all to apply these methods. This has been demonstrated so often historically through myths and legends with the intentional objective to obliterate every vestige of the ancient forms of magic. This is particular so with the early Christianity. This disempowers people usurping the consciousnesses into a belief that is not natural. This has resulted in today’s circumstances on Earth.
Tuatha Dé Danann (Celtic civilisation) may be back in ancient times, but there are modern day pockets of these versions of this power.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...ghlight=tuatha

(see PA. Avatar 2 and Bougainvillea Eco war, Part 3)

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...villea+Eco+war

RESPONSIBILITY OF USING ‘POWER’

Tuatha Dé Danann had a responsibility and discipline using there ‘powers’. This is a perception by others as witnessing these ‘powers’. It would appear to be a what we define as power, but actually its there developed education and knowledge of using the university of nature. The partnership with nature provided the potential of supporting not only them as a race but also the Earth as a balanced system. This is the potential to connect with nature by every human being on Earth.

One has to be very careful and clear what initiative and responsibility you take with applying different tools for change because you may be at the mercy of what’s out there. What unknowns are going to manifest, etc. If you don’t have a clear definition, a clear direction and a clear purpose in its intent it may have the aspirations of what you desire but not the right intents. It opens up to wide range of manifestations that are similar in principle too when dealing with paranormal events but now on a macro scale.

Because the mechanistic approach doesn’t entertain within the equation of nature’s inherent characteristics of being in balance, it will create manifestations that are not what humans are expecting.

Their isn’t the education and therefore understanding in our civilisation of how to balance this process. Nature knows nothing but balance. Humans may not be balanced when applying initiatives of this nature to changing the dynamics, which can create other manifestations that are ‘out of whack’.

(see PA. Avatar 2 and Bougainvillea Eco war, Part 3)
New AVATAR 2 Movie and Bougainvillea Eco War

It explains the responsibility of using dynamics and tools in modern times. It also explains how to apply them in modern times.

I discovered from my adventures in Island of Bougaineville (Papa New Guinea) that modern day community tribe of this nature do carry out what we attribute to super magic as a collective.

(See thread Avatar 2 and Bougaineville Eco war Part 3)

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...villea+Eco+war

The transmissions of this collective magic are not told to journalist, archaeologists, curiosity seekers, tourists, etc. They are not ready to 'hear' or be interested following through to investigate due to the problem of integrating this reality. If you haven’t a wide experiential of a larger reality in your life, then this is not for you. Its rather like people that are curious meeting a spiritual avatar but not ready to open up to an integrated experience that may change and highly benefit there life. It can be uncomfortable to make a change in your life.

To truly understand the BRA in part 3 of the thread Avatar 2 and Bougaineville Eco war, you would have had to gift the tribe and link in with them in an effort to genuinely help them. The level they operate at is at a resonant frequency that can differentiate what your agenda is. Hence most organisations had the wrong agenda, not understanding the real agenda of the BRA, BRA denied any substantial bribes of up to $100M that came there way from the UN, Australian government and EU.

[Ewan]

The more we lose our connection with nature, as a species, the less we behave in harmony with the planet, the planet that provide us our LITERAL home regardless of geographical location. We take it fot granted and barely give it a thought The fact that so many people are turning to a 'back to basics' approach - such as small scale self-sufficiency and small-holdings indicate the beginning of a tipping point.

Unfortunately it would seem to be too little too late. The masses are already hypnotised in absolute fantasy, and it is far enough removed from reality to be labelled such.

I suspect the last time the species was majorly in harmony was prior to the many agricutural revolutions though I would surmise many of those agricultural revolutions spanned many centuries before the rot really crept in.

Which raises a thought in my mind that - was it indolence that gave birth to psycopathy? The appearance of artisan classes from the wealth of produce led to many more wealthy non-productive humans*.

It all comes back to the old adage regarding power. In that 'Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely'.

Is the capacity for psycopathy inherent in all humans? I think it would mostly depend on the age of the soul co-habitating the 3d form. Given this appears to be a training ground for quite young souls it is perhaps inevitable the planet would shrug off the species from time to time, leaving mere pockets of survivors to start anew.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=mgS1Lwr8gq8

Edit: To add...

* Which in itself was the beginning of an imbalance amongst the species. Prior to that time everyone had a role to play in a tribal society.

The Devil makes work for idle hands.

Further edit: I've long given at least a healthy recognition to the concept of intelligent planetary bodies. Hence the Gaia theory. I think all 3-dimensional forms have an intelligence. Modern humans, in their arrogance, are one of the few species that pay scant regard to such a concept.

I think all the other life on this planet knows this inherently.

[grapevine]

What it will take for us to take action and drain the swamp ourselves I wonder? Our programming has made us unable to take effective action and we’re waiting for a Saviour to lead us. In the meantime we’re living "Animal Farm" and the Pigs are in charge.

Each generation has been cleverly divided by the ptb through the introduction of social media which has always existed in some form, albeit not quite as slick as it is now that it’s online. For instance, the introduction of Elvis in the 50s divided children from their parents, as did the Beatles in the 60s, followed closely by the Hippie cult, when patriotism took a dip, etc. and so it goes on, the divide and rule. Today’s children are very different; they all seem to have a distorted sense of entitlement and family is less important to them than their friends. A Black Mirror world.

Having to “take up arms” to stop the psychopathic element from continually dominating us isn’t a very attractive option at all. But as dominance is present in all animals’ DNA, it must be lying dormant in all of us, waiting to be triggered. "What can we do" has been asked many times by many people in many threads but there doesn't seem to be any answers.

[palehorse]

Posted by Ewan (here)
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Is the capacity for psycopathy inherent in all humans? I think it would mostly depend on the age of the soul co-habitating the 3d form. Given this appears to be a training ground for quite young souls it is perhaps inevitable the planet would shrug off the species from time to time, leaving mere pockets of survivors to start anew.
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Absolutely Ewan, it is well known in history when the many civs. went under, these pockets thrived through time, it will happen again at some point.

Posted by Miller (here)
.. "What can we do" has been asked many times by many people in many threads but there doesn't seem to be any answers.

I don't know if it answers the question, but it does certainly do for me and I have been bonded to this for quite some time now. We can barely take care of ourselves and our immediate surroundings, it is no point trying to do anything beyond that, we need to have our own blueprint fully working to set the example and then it could spread around (like cells multiplying), in other words we must put it into practice into our very own lives. This connects with what Ewan wrote just above (I am quoting it), these small pockets of survivors it existed before agriculture was invented, people were more united in the past through cooperation/trade/barter/etc.. (there was no hijakckers in the game, perhaps a few but not at the level of control we see today) I would take the Bhutanese life style from last centuries as a great example of blueprint for life.

There is different ways of doing it, but in any way chosen that must be the full commitment of the individual and I don't think it has anything to do with artificial city life, it is back in nature, we are humans not robots or cyborgs.


~~~

As everything that expand too much comes to the point of burst, with civilization isn't different, those who can see it probably will stand a better chance in the future, because these things will follow its natural course and eventually will breakdown to the point of total failure, the ones with the right skills will survive, I have no doubt about that.

[Bruce G Charlton]

A comment on the "psychopath" term.

I notice that this term is being used a lot more frequently now than in the past; and I think the underlying reason is that the mainstream modern 'materialistic' ideology has no way of defining or explaining evil - and psychopathy is used as a secular substitute.

Why? Probably because, as a diagnosis, psychopathy has pretty solid pragmatic value (the term dates back into the 19th century when it was 'moral insanity') in terms of having some hereditary basis, and predictive value.

Also (perhaps) because although all societies in the past seem to have had psychopaths, at a low level of prevalence - they have almost certainly become more common in modern societies; because of several factors. One is that psychopaths have considerably more offspring than average (in modern societies - not traditional/ tribal societies. The rate of psychopathy was probably kept low because they would be killed - one way or another; and their offspring would not survive), and the condition is significantly hereditary. Also that there are more niches in modern societies where psychopaths can thrive, and which perhaps encourage mild psychopaths to become more extreme.

Psychopathy is something that the majority of people can agree is a bad thing, because it is selfish rather than altruistic, and seeks immediate gratification rather than long term benefit... On the other hand, this also gives the idea some appeal - and there is a kind of envy of someone who can operate successfully in such a fashion - successfully exploiting other people to satisfy their own wants. Such characters are quite often an archetypal anti-hero in modern media and society (e.g. a life dedicated to "sex and drugs and rock and roll" - so popular an aspiration for adolescents and young adults - is basically validating a psychopathic life).

But psychopathy does not really solve the problem of evil, because it just kicks the can a bit further down the road. After all, why is psychopathy regarded evil? Because it is selfish and short-termist - yes, but then why is selfishness a bad thing (if you can get away with it)? And why is long-termism better - when nobody really knows what will happen in the future, and in the long term we will all be dead?

And, if psychopathy is bad because it cares nothing for the group - then why is the group supposed to be more important than the individual? (And which group is the most important, and why - of all the many groups of which we are members?)

My point is that the concept of psychopathy cannot replace the need for an understanding of evil; and when it is used for that purpose, then the concept has serious problems - and is itself being used in the mainstream discourse to advance the totalitarian/ globalist agenda.

[Bill Ryan]

This is sort of off-topic on this thread, but many might be able to see the connection.


I'm as sure as I can be that ETs throughout this galaxy (and the billions of others!) hold life in the very highest regard — maybe almost as a kind of sacred phenomenon. One can fairly easily appreciate this strong possibility with this analogy.

99.9999999999+++ % of the universe is lifeless, inanimate matter, separated by immense distances that humans can barely conceive. Only on some relatively small planets (small compared with stars, nebulae, and the like) would life ever develop and prosper.

It's a little like a vast, near-lifeless rocky desert on earth, hundreds of miles across, where if one knows exactly where to look one might find the occasional tiny group of plants, or a tiny colony of small animals. The rarity makes this life very special, potentially always in danger of extinction.

ETs, advanced enough to travel freely and explore all this, would be fully aware of the sanctity and the wonder of life, wherever they discovered it arose. But in contrast — and back to topic here — humans on Earth (collectively) take it for granted, are spiritually disconnected from it, abuse it, destroy it, and have little or no respect for it.

~~~

I spoke to a very spiritual friend a few weeks ago who told me that on his mountain property these days he finds it hard to cut down a tree. I totally understood.

I replied that I have trouble cutting the grass. That wasn't a joke. I let my wild garden grow as much as I can without it becoming a major practical problem. Grass usually reaches a natural maximum height of 1-2 feet, and then stops. In that tall grassy richness lives a multitude of little insects and other animals, and that's their own home, right next to mine. I do my best to coexist with it, and I'm always aware of it.

In the mountains where I hike, usually high above the treeline and in quite a fragile ecosystem, there's an abundance of the tiniest alpine flowers, some just a couple of millimeters in size. I tread carefully and respectfully and always strive to avoid injuring them.

Just to illustrate this long wordy post, here's what I mean. This photo was taken at 14,500 ft in the middle of a whole large field of rocks. When I see these little oases of life I kind of pay tribute to them, their resilience, and their beauty, and then I quietly pass by.

[Ravenlocke]

I think this story belongs here ?

https://www.newsweek.com/elephant-ki...-india-1715075

Elephant Kills Woman Then Returns to Funeral and Tramples Corpse
By Robyn White On 6/13/22 at 3:32 AM EDT
An elephant that killed a woman in India returned to her funeral and trampled on her corpse, local police have said.

The 70-year-old woman, Maya Murmu, was attacked by the wild elephant as she walked to collect water in Odisha's Mayurbhanj district, Indian news outlet The Print reported.

The elephant had strayed from the Dalma Wildlife Sanctuary, which lies about 10 miles from the city of Jamshedpur.

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After the elephant attacked Murmu, she was rushed to hospital, but she succumbed to her injuries, Lopamudra Nayak, an inspector at the Rasgovindpur police station, told The Print.

Later, as family members gathered to perform a funeral for Murmu, the wild tusker appeared once again.

It approached the pyre and grabbed the body, The Print reported. The elephant then trampled on her body again, and threw it away before fleeing.

The funeral was completed a few hours later.

Duncan McNair, a lawyer and founder of conservation charity Save The Asian Elephants, told Newsweek that this incident is a reminder that although gentle creatures, elephants can be "dangerous and deadly."

However, McNair said these incidents rarely happen without the elephant having been provoked in someway. "These endangered elephants can be deadly dangerous, particularly when provoked or abused," he said.

He said that Asian elephants are particularly subject to "torture and stabbing" for easy use in the tourism industry.

"Elephants are generally benign, and passive ... they don't rush out of nowhere to attack people that pose no threat to their safety, or babies or to anything like that," he said. "[This incident] is surprising because it shows no provocation of the elephant..."

McNair said the elephant coming back and handling the body during the body, could be down to their "extraordinary cognitive abilities."

"It's just possible that if [the elephant] was in proximity still at the time of the funeral, and that's not clear, that it will have recognised the remains. And it may have seen or smelled that and it may have associated that woman with some catastrophe to it or it's herd. That is quite possible," he said.

Conflict on the Rise

Human and elephant conflict is on the rise across the world because the loss of the animals' natural habitat is forcing elephants into closer proximity with residential areas.

Climate change is also making life harder for elephants. As the temperature increases, water sources are more likely to dry up, causing elephants to hunt out new resources, and this can cause them to come into contact with humans. Odisha's Mayurbhanj district has suffered severe droughts in recent years.

Fragmented habitats can cause "crop raiding" instances, when elephants stray onto farmlands in search of food and water, ruining growing crops as they do so.

In May, an Indian farmer was trampled to death by a wild elephant. The elephant and its herd had wandered onto farmlands.

The herd of 11 elephants strayed into the field near a village in Andhra Pradesh's Chittoor district during the night. The man who was attacked had been guarding the field, The Hindu Times reported.

The farmer died instantly after being trampled, the news outlet said.

While they are known for being gentle giants, elephants can attack humans when they feel vulnerable, or if their territory is being threatened.

According to the World Wildlife Fund (WWF), these kinds of instances can cause elephants to be seen as a nuisance. In one 2001 case, 60 elephants were found dead—poisoned by farmers—across parts of India and Sumatra.

It still isn't clear why the elephant that attacked Maya Murmu had strayed from the Dalma Wildlife Sanctuary.

The sanctuary, which operates as a safari park, is "very much favored" by Asian elephants because of the abundance of water within it, "even during summer," according to the Forest Department.

[Ravenlocke]

Is this what nature will have to fight against if there’s any nature left to start with?

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1700119290899501445

[Dennis Leahy]

Warms my heart, Bill. I used to do a lot of nature photography, and of course, what I wanted to photograph was invariably off-trail. That meant having to really embody the phrase, "take nothing but pictures; leave nothing but footprints", and actually take it up a notch to trying not to leave footprints, either. The plants, lichens, and mosses have struggled to spring forth from the surface of and cracks in the rocks, and a careless step could injure or kill them - not exactly a great legacy for a nature photographer.

And, I agree that Earth is an amazing gem among planets, and the myriad life forms here are likely why at least some aliens come here.

Back to topic, we humans are actually 'ranchers' with billions and billions of organisms living in and on us, and our colonies are constantly in a battle for supremacy. Our immune system sends microscopic bad guys to Jesus all the time. The Earth is a big complex organism, and certainly doing what it can to kill off or clean up its bad guys too.

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
This is sort of off-topic on this thread, but many might be able to see the connection.


I'm as sure as I can be that ETs throughout this galaxy (and the billions of others!) hold life in the very highest regard — maybe almost as a kind of sacred phenomenon. One can fairly easily appreciate this strong possibility with this analogy.

99.9999999999+++ % of the universe is lifeless, inanimate matter, separated by immense distances that humans can barely conceive. Only on some relatively small planets (small compared with stars, nebulae, and the like) would life ever develop and prosper.

It's a little like a vast, near-lifeless rocky desert on earth, hundreds of miles across, where if one knows exactly where to look one might find the occasional tiny group of plants, or a tiny colony of small animals. The rarity makes this life very special, potentially always in danger of extinction.

ETs, advanced enough to travel freely and explore all this, would be fully aware of the sanctity and the wonder of life, wherever they discovered it arose. But in contrast — and back to topic here — humans on Earth (collectively) take it for granted, are spiritually disconnected from it, abuse it, destroy it, and have little or no respect for it.

~~~

I spoke to a very spiritual friend a few weeks ago who told me that on his mountain property these days he finds it hard to cut down a tree. I totally understood.

I replied that I have trouble cutting the grass. That wasn't a joke. I let my wild garden grow as much as I can without it becoming a major practical problem. Grass usually reaches a natural maximum height of 1-2 feet, and then stops. In that tall grassy richness lives a multitude of little insects and other animals, and that's their own home, right next to mine. I do my best to coexist with it, and I'm always aware of it.

In the mountains where I hike, usually high above the treeline and in quite a fragile ecosystem, there's an abundance of the tiniest alpine flowers, some just a couple of millimeters in size. I tread carefully and respectfully and always strive to avoid injuring them.

Just to illustrate this long wordy post, here's what I mean. This photo was taken at 14,500 ft in the middle of a whole large field of rocks. When I see these little oases of life I kind of pay tribute to them, their resilience, and their beauty, and then I quietly pass by.

[Isserley]

@Bill - you have trouble cutting the grass?

I have trouble beliving that .. maybe you've mixed up beeing lazy with beeing emphatic towards grass?

Based on everything above and my free estimation, I can say I'm a borderline psychopath considering I've killed hundreds of mosquitoes (this summer alone) and enjoyed it.. also I mow the lawn every other week - I have to admit I do not hate that act either..

:Back to seriousness: no emoji for that..

[shaberon]

Posted by onawah (here)
There is also the information from the Vedas concerning the Yugas that is very informative, though controversy exists as to where exactly we are now in that cosmic cycle.
I think, by all the signs, that we are in the end of the Kali Yuga and will be ascending out of that into the next age, characterized by growing Light and Wisdom, though that ascension process takes a very long time

This information is not in the Vedas; not in the manner presented.

A Vedic Yuga is only five years, oriented towards "smaller cycles", all based on what is within a human lifespan.

The Four Yugas such as Kali Yuga are a much later derivation showing signs of influence from Hellenistic astrology, from which, around our year 500, calculations were applied to fix the beginning of Kali Yuga at 3,102 B. C. E.

Most evidence suggests the calamities were noticeably later, around 1,900 B. C. E., which would have combined the factors of war, flood (such as the submergence of Dwarka), and fire (a worldwide drought said to be on a 4,200 year cycle, which dried out the Sarasvati River).


From what we can tell, human population was pretty small during the last Ice Age around 10,000 B. C. E., and it may have poked out and developed in various ways as the ice receded, notably there was an Indus Valley from ca. 8,000-2,000 B. C. E. composed of brick cities without signs of central authority, like a main palace with a big military yard.

For combined reasons, it died out, and I am not sure what to say about the moral failures of man versus the rest of nature. Human issues reflect themselves in war, the spread of disease, and some environmental problems, but if there is a 4,200 year drought cycle, I am not sure we should call it a "punishment".

Perhaps the largest known population reduction was the Black Plague, and plague germs are natural. Does this mean that humans farmed them and boosted their spread, or, somehow it was the will of the plague to use humans as its servants in so doing?

Wisdom in part is the ability to understand consequences of our actions, to which, "clean up the pollution" at its source may be a more useful outlook than "climate change science".

There is evidently a lack of doing the right thing to begin with, and then concern about how exactly the consequences may manifest.

[onawah]

There is a lot of information about the Yugas and the source of that theory here:
https://popularvedicscience.com/hist...20Vedas%20give
such as:

WHEN DOES KALI YUGA END? SYMPTOMS OF THE AGE OF KALI
last update JULY 30, 2022

WHEN DOES KALI YUGA END? SYMPTOMS OF THE AGE OF KALI
Kali yuga, the age of quarrel and hypocrisy, is a time in the Vedic universal cycle when the human population experiences tremendous conflict and confusion. How long will Kali Yuga last? Kali yuga will end in approximately 858,000 years. At present, we are just over 5,000 years into Kali yuga, and the Puranas describe the duration of Kali yuga as 432,000 years of Bhu-mandala, or 864,000 of our Earth years.
The Vedas describe that there are four ages: Satya Yuga, Treta Yuga, Dvapara Yuga, and Kali Yuga — and all together these four comprise one full yuga cycle, just as the fours seasons make up a year. One thousand Yuga cycles is equal to a day of Brahma, also known as a kalpa.

In this article we discuss Kali Yuga, the Iron Age.

The Duration of Kali Yuga
Even though the passing of time is uniform through the universe, the Vedas explain that various regions within the universe experience time differently due to the phenomenon of time dilation. For example, one year in the realm of Svarga is approximately equal to 720 solar years on our planet Earth.

Do you know that modern science is finally catching up with the predictions of Vedas and Yuga system?
For this reason, the Vedas give two different measurements for the duration of Kali Yuga. In years of the devas, Kali Yuga lasts 1,200 years, and on Earth, it lasts 432,000 years.

(So in other words, the passage of time is relative to the experience of the being experiencing it, which is perhaps a part of what Einstein actually was getting at when he posited that "time is relative".
This same source also references a book on such themes):

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Posted by shaberon (here)

Posted by onawah (here)
There is also the information from the Vedas concerning the Yugas that is very informative, though controversy exists as to where exactly we are now in that cosmic cycle.
I think, by all the signs, that we are in the end of the Kali Yuga and will be ascending out of that into the next age, characterized by growing Light and Wisdom, though that ascension process takes a very long time

This information is not in the Vedas; not in the manner presented.

A Vedic Yuga is only five years, oriented towards "smaller cycles", all based on what is within a human lifespan.

The Four Yugas such as Kali Yuga are a much later derivation showing signs of influence from Hellenistic astrology, from which, around our year 500, calculations were applied to fix the beginning of Kali Yuga at 3,102 B. C. E.

Most evidence suggests the calamities were noticeably later, around 1,900 B. C. E., which would have combined the factors of war, flood (such as the submergence of Dwarka), and fire (a worldwide drought said to be on a 4,200 year cycle, which dried out the Sarasvati River).

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Isserley (here)
@Bill - you have trouble cutting the grass?

Yep. Not a joke. I also have trouble cutting back branches of trees and shrubs when they become overgrown. I'm not lazy, but I hate to do it. These are living beings. A Native American, an Aborigine, or a San Bushman, would understand.

Some readers will know about Cleve Backster's experiments when he wired up a philodendron to a lie detector. When another person walked into the room who had just mowed his lawn, the philodendron went crazy. It was like the plant sensed this other man was a murderer.

Some of his story is here: (We also have an Avalon thread titled The Plants Respond - An Interview With Cleve Backster.)

He talked to plants. And they talked back.



Grover Cleveland Backster Jr. could always spot a liar. As he liked to tell it, he served in the Navy during World War II, but his interest in deception soon led him to the Army Counter-Intelligence Corps, where he specialized in hypno- and narco-interrogation — a.k.a. “truth serums.” Then, in 1948, he joined the C.I.A., where, he claimed, he founded the agency’s polygraph program.

A decade later, Backster moved to New York and then opened the Backster School of Lie Detection, where he taught N.Y.P.D. detectives and F.B.I. agents. He testified in courtrooms and before Congress, and his famed Backster Zone Comparison Technique — a methodology for conducting polygraphs — is still widely used. Backster’s success made him a law-enforcement legend, but he was always happier proving people innocent. “I like to think of the polygraph,” he once said, “as a truth detector.”

But this was all a prelude to Backster’s real life’s work, which began in the early morning hours of Feb. 2, 1966. Backster had been up all night in his office on West 46th Street and had just poured himself a cup of coffee when he noticed a houseplant, a Dracaena fragrans his secretary bought to brighten the office. On a lark, Backster, who had a playful streak that belied his military background (he studied astrology, dabbled with LSD and supposedly spent a summer as a stunt diver in a circus), decided to hook the plant up to his lie-detection machine.

In human subjects, a polygraph measures three things: pulse, respiration rate and galvanic skin response, otherwise known as perspiration. If you’re worried about being caught in a lie, your levels will spike or dip. Backster wanted to induce a similar anxiety in the plant, so he decided to set one of its leaves on fire. But before he could even get a match, the polygraph registered an intense reaction on the part of the Dracaena. To Backster, the implication was as indisputable as it was unbelievable. Not only had the plant demonstrated fear — it had also read his mind.

Backster concluded that plants had some heretofore undiscovered sense (he called it “primary perception”) that could detect and respond to human thoughts and emotions. When he publicized his findings, the so-called Backster effect became a pop-culture hit. There was a TV program hosted by Leonard Nimoy and a best-selling book, “The Secret Life of Plants,” inspired by Backster’s research. Backster was interviewed by Johnny Carson, Art Linkletter, Merv Griffin and David Frost. Even Backster’s old employers at the C.I.A. investigated the possibility of human-plant communication.

Scientists, however, were less convinced. No one could reproduce Backster’s results — a problem Backster explained away with a variety of post-hoc qualifiers. (A lettuce leaf didn’t respond to harmful stimuli? It probably shut down to protect itself.) As a result, Backster mainly worked outside the establishment, publishing his findings in outlets like The International Journal of Parapsychology, Volume X.

And yet — publicly, at least — his faith never wavered. Backster went on experimenting until the end, expanding his theory of nonhuman consciousness to encompass chicken eggs and even sperm, forever finding more proof of what he called the “fundamental attunement between living things.” He never married, preferring the company of his Siamese cats, and he never again performed experiments that burned plants. If the pseudoscience of his second act retroactively called into question the science of his first — after all, what is lie detection but mind-reading by another name? — Backster remained unbowed. “Such high resistance to new ideas does not concern me,” he once said. “I have a truly wonderful ally: Mother Nature.”

[Pris]

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I am Nature fighting back. I am not "mankind", I am me and I come from a position of deep love and compassion for myself and for all life and all existence. When something threatens that, I fight back.

[Isserley]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Grover Cleveland Backster Jr. could always spot a liar. As he liked to tell it, he served in the Navy during World War II..

The fact that plants have consciousness is clear to me, but one can not argue that plant life and animal life are radically different. You know - animals and especially mammals scream when you hurt them - same as humans - there is a reason for that.
First of all a plant is not an individual. If you cut it in two, it doesn’t die, it just divides. In the plant world, reproduction often occurs through a process of division.
By making all life forms equal, the proponents of a plant ethic are causing harm to the animal rights cause, whether they mean to or not. If everything suffers the same, if man cannot go without inflicting suffering on other living beings, why worry about animals? Humans?

In my opinion there is a big difference in the suffering of plants and animals, it is visible with the naked eye. What is not visible to the naked eye is subject to speculation, and when everything is added up and taken away - man has to live and feed himself.

Going back to the quote above - participating in war is a big NO for me. There is no such reason.
It's not that I'm belittling the suffering of plants in this way, it's just that it can't be compared to the suffering and karma generated by war..

[9ideon]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Yep. Not a joke. I also have trouble cutting back branches of trees and shrubs when they become overgrown. I'm not lazy, but I hate to do it. These are living beings. A Native American, an Aborigine, or a San Bushman, would understand.

I can relate, although I have to cut stuff a couple times during summer, I try and leave it all to chance most of the time, Cats love it, they are runnin' round happy as feck (not my Cats, they're indoor). Johan's seen my jungle, lol ,he almost got lost in my front yard, heheheh (not really).

Unfortunately the jungle has to be trimmed again soon, this time a little more drastic, be waiting for frost time on that one.

[Innocent Warrior]

Well this likely isn't going to make sense and I don't have the time to defend and explain what I write here but I think it's worth adding this perspective to this thread anyway. Some food for thought at least.

We are not separate from Earth as human beings. Earth and all her inhabitants are one organic system. She is us and we are her. So no, she would never act to repel us, she knows our nature and our situation better than we do. However, she could flip the plates and kill the lot of us in a weekend, and would if she had to, not to protect herself but to protect and preserve us as a species.

This realm isn't as it appears, humans aren't as they appear, and if you see the material realm as the resulting creation of what the true cause is then this perspective may begin to make sense. Remember what Tesla said about the secrets of the universe, its true and a great pointer to the true nature of this realm.

Hand on heart, I swear the adoration we have for this planet is mutual. Connect with her without judging humanity and see. Judging humanity is judging her. Start with the plants, honestly they actually seem like the grown ups in comparison to us humans. At the very least they can teach us the love that is inherent in nature. We are so lost in that department and it's the plants that have taught me that, by example.

[Jamie]

Posted by Innocent Warrior (here)
Well this likely isn't going to make sense and I don't have the time to defend and explain...

We are not separate from Earth as human beings. Earth and all her inhabitants are one organic system. She is us and we are her.

I think the majority of us here on PA thinks it makes perfect sense.

[Tintin]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Isserley (here)
@Bill - you have trouble cutting the grass?

Yep. Not a joke. I also have trouble cutting back branches of trees and shrubs when they become overgrown. I'm not lazy, but I hate to do it. These are living beings. A Native American, an Aborigine, or a San Bushman, would understand.

I've been giving a lot of detailed thought as to how to respond to this most interesting of threads and am still formulating. Before I do..

A question: How do you see the predator in the grass, if you allow the grass to grow too tall? Grass is the most resilient of plants, and doesn't die when you cut it back.

This goes to the heart of nature and nurture