Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War

[Sirus]

Hamas tells civilians to stay in their homes whilst Israel warns them to evacuate South:


https://apnews.com/article/israel-pa...d5edb7e9e8308c

(Can someone please tell me which icon is used for embedding articles and twitter messages? I'm using a mobile so I can't hover over them). Thank you.

[Sirus]

Copied from the Reddit r/ukpolitics live discussion thread, but I feel its useful for context. (Maybe it needs its own seperate thread on Avalon)?:

...Background reading for all the new armchair experts


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine


Ideally you want to start at the Ottoman empire

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...Ottoman_Empire

Then onto British Mandatory Palestine after the fall of the Ottomans

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Palestine

Then we get the anti Jewish pogroms performed by the Arabs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Palestine_riots

In 1936 there was an Arab uprising against Britain to stop Jews settling in MP

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936%E...t_in_Palestine


The UK Pulled out due to Irgun bombing the administration in the Kind David Hotel and gave rise to the UN Resolution to split the land

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish...tory_Palestine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sergeants_affair

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United..._for_Palestine

Israel declared independence of their part on the 14th May 1948 after the UK pulled out of Mandatory Palestine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel...f_Independence

However the Palestinians would not accept this partition plan and with the help of the Arab League neighbours invaded and attempted to wipe out all the Jews to take the whole land also on the 14th May 1948

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_A...%93Israeli_War

Then in 1956 we get the Suez crisis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Crisis



Then they tried again to destroy Israel in 1967

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War

They failed so started a War of Attrition

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_Attrition

and 73 when they performed a surprise attacked on Yom Kippur

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War


After this there were several attempts at a peace process over several decades

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel..._peace_process

In 1987 you had the first Intifada

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Intifada

In 1990 you had Black Monday at the Temple Mount

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_T...Mount_killings

In 2005 you had the second intifada

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Intifada

This lead to the election win of Ariel Sharon (an Ex IDF General nicknamed the Butcher of Beirut) who implemented the complete disengagement with Gaza, the situation we have today, where all Jews were forcibly removed from the Gaza Strip by the IDF and Gaza were given full autonomy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel...ment_from_Gaza

Soon after the complete withdrawal, rockets were shot into Israel, and a Hamas pickup truck in the Jabaliya refugee camp exploded, killing at least 19 people (both militants and civilians) and injuring 85 people.

Then there were elections and Gaza elected Hamas (an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood) on a policy of destroying the state of Israel and “strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine” by removing all Jews from the whole land of Israel-Palestine from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_P...ative_election

https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/880818a.htm

After this Hamas and Fatah (another Palestinian political party who won in the West Bank who are in the PLO umbrella, unlike Hamas) has a disagreement

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatah-Hamas_conflict


After all of Hamas’ continued attacks Egypt and Israel implemented a blockade of the Gaza Strip

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocka...the_Gaza_Strip

you also cannot stick purely to Israel, but must also read into the Arab League neighbours and their history with the Jews and Palestinians

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palest..._South_Lebanon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanese_Civil_War

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_...atila_massacre

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt–Palestine_relations

Edit: oh and of course because everyone thinks all the Jews in Israel are from Europe or USA, they actually only make up about 30%, the rest are natively from Israel-Palestine or exiles from the surrounding Arab countries

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish...e_Muslim_world

[Harmony]

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Posted by Sirus (here)
Hamas tells civilians to stay in their homes whilst Israel warns them to evacuate South:


https://apnews.com/article/israel-pa...d5edb7e9e8308c

(Can someone please tell me which icon is used for embedding articles and twitter messages? I'm using a mobile so I can't hover over them). Thank you.

[grapevine]

HEATED DEBATE: Cornel West, Alan Dershowitz spar over Israel-Hamas war

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=svOc4Ki68_U

11.14 minutes

This is a very heated debate which speaks for itself and does Alan Dershowitz (who still has questions to answer over Epstein) no favours at all. To think that this man presides over a Court of Law brings the whole American Legal system into disrepute imo.

But this is what any peace talks would have to deal with potentially, and I cannot think of a single person who could do it. Yanis Varoufarkis maybe . . .? It would have to be someone who's not funded/influenced by any Jewish or Palestinian association. Perhaps it's too soon to be talking about peace, but why?

[Sirus]

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Hamas tells civilians to stay in their homes whilst Israel warns them to evacuate South:

https://apnews.com/article/israel-pa...d5edb7e9e8308c

(Can someone please tell me which icon is used for embedding articles and twitter messages? I'm using a mobile so I can't hover over them). Thank you.

Thank you very much 😊

From Bill:
A little more. Articles just have to be copied and pasted (with full formatting if possible, though sometimes that takes a little extra work), but Tweets are embedded by (a) copying only the long numerical ID of the tweet (e.g. 1712618530128932935 in post #354), then (b) highlighting it and clicking the little icon in the menu bar. You're most welcome to practice using the Sandbox Thread, which is exactly what it's for.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
If you aren't the least bit suspicious about any of what's happening right now and you're blindly defending either side, then you need to go back and review 9/11, as well as every other conflict since WW1 The Battle of Kadesh (c. 1274 B.C.E.). Nothing is ever what it seems on the surface, and there are always much bigger forces using both sides as chess pieces for a greater agenda.

(There is nothing special that I know of about the Battle of Kadesh, other than it was really long ago. This here response of mine is mostly just my tongue in cheek way of acknowledging Ravenlocke's excellent post.)

Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
All. Wars. Are. Bankers. Wars.

Yes.

[grapevine]

Israeli football chief criticises Premier League over response to Hamas attacks

https://www.theguardian.com/football...t%20civilians.

The FA (Football Association) have often been accused of getting things wrong but last Thursday they issued the following statement:

“The Premier League is shocked and saddened by the escalating crisis in Israel and Gaza, and strongly condemns the horrific and brutal acts of violence against innocent civilians. We hope for peace, and our heartfelt sympathies are with the victims, their families and the communities impacted.”

They added that a moment’s silence would be held at its games from 21-23 October and that players, managers and match officials would wear black armbands to mark “the escalating crisis in Israel and Gaza”.

Unfortunately the Chair of the FA’s Faith in Football group, Rabbi Alex Goldberg, has resigned in protest at the FA’s stance saying he was “profoundly disappointed in the FA’s decision not to have a specific tribute during the upcoming matches against Australia and Italy at Wembley Stadium, to the victims of the worst single atrocity committed against Jewish targets since the Shoah”.

Please click on the link for the full story.

[ThePythonicCow]

Lei's Real Talk has an interesting theory on what was behind the unusually bold and well equipped attack by Hamas, from Gaza, onto Israel.

Lei speculates that Putin and Xi have set out on a plan to overload Western (mainly U.S.) military with multiple major regional wars active at once. The shortage of ammunition supplies from the West is one indicator of the West's inability to sustain multiple regional wars at a time. The lack of appetite or inability of the West to field a serious and substantial fighting force, resorting instead only to minor, stand-off, or proxy wars, is another such indicator.

Lei figures that this would involve three wars:

• Russia vs the Ukraine
• Hamas from Gaza vs Israel
• North Korea vs South Korea

As we know, the first two of these three are now active.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1sUGbYdDwEo

This could spell the end of the "Western" ⁽¹⁾ Empire, whose capital has moved from Rome to England to the U.S., and a few other European capitals along the way.

Such an end would have to neuter the monetary, military, religious, cultural, and political/legal powers of the Empire, as well as achieve resource (food, mining, water, energy, ...), transportation, industrial, and technological independence.

(1) The label "Western" makes little sense on our globe; we're all east and west of everything. Perhaps that label descends from the division of the Roman Empire into an eastern half and a western half in 285 CE by the Emperor Diocletian.

[ExomatrixTV]

Posted by Pris (here)
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Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)

• Soon USA & EU will pay more Billions of $ Dollars $ to another Foreign Country on top of all the mess already created in Ukraine!
• Money that came from the Taxed Slaves! ... We all Pay for the Madness!
  

Yes, we all pay for the madness. I was in a shop today that had a radio playing in the background and heard that Trudeau is sending an initial $10 million to Israel. Just the start, eh? That's already a lot of money for Canada. As soon as I heard it, an expletive entered my mind.

I made a small correction in my text! All Nato Countries are going for BROKE on purpose all by design!

[Gwin Ru]

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... extended/expanded laying out of the significant backdrop data points leading to Scott Ritter's point of view on the situation with Hamas and which makes some sense, too:

IS THIS THE END OF WAR IN UKRAINE? HAMAS, WHO IS BEHIND IT? W/ SCOTT RITTER AND ANDREI MARTYANOV 1:20:37

Streamed live 20 hours ago

Through the eyes of

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=KM5-qF91Ky4

[ExomatrixTV]

• Is the Gaza-Israel Fighting “A False Flag”? They Let it Happen? Their Objective Is “to Wipe Gaza Off the Map”?

[shookid]

Posted by Miller (here)
HEATED DEBATE: Cornel West, Alan Dershowitz spar over Israel-Hamas war

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=svOc4Ki68_U

11.14 minutes

This is a very heated debate which speaks for itself and does Alan Dershowitz (who still has questions to answer over Epstein) no favours at all. To think that this man presides over a Court of Law brings the whole American Legal system into disrepute imo.

But this is what any peace talks would have to deal with potentially, and I cannot think of a single person who could do it. Yanis Varoufarkis maybe . . .? It would have to be someone who's not funded/influenced by any Jewish or Palestinian association. Perhaps it's too soon to be talking about peace, but why?

Alan Dershowitz is on weekly with WABC radio here in Tri-State area with John Catsimatidis. Besides pumping his book "Get Trump" he always speaks about how he is a defender of the US Constitution and that what they are doing to Trump is simply unconstitutional. He would defend Trump AGAIN if asked even though he's been vilified by his leftist losers for doing so already. He also comments that what the "Biden Regime" is doing is also unconstitutional and unethical and that if he wants to vote against Trump for a third time he should have that right as an American citizen. So in the same breath that this fool says what Biden is doing is unconstitutional, criminal and unethical, he would still vote for that same criminal. What an utter buffoon. This guy may be "smart" but in the real-world he's just as stupid as his cronies.

[ExomatrixTV]

• Ex-CIA: Zelensky’s UNTHINKABLE reaction to Israel-Palestine Crisis:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=t4FjKPY153c

This discussion between Stephen Gardner and former CIA Larry Johnson covers the recent violence between Israel and Hamas. These two men also discuss the Ukraine Russia War update. The analyst argues the U.S. is hypocritical for supporting Israel after initially empowering Iran through past weapons sales and cash payments. He explains the complex history of U.S. and Israeli relations with Iran and groups like Hamas and Hezbollah over past decades. The analyst is highly critical of hawkish U.S. politicians advocating bombing Iran, arguing it would be an extraordinarily dangerous move that could expose the U.S. as a "paper tiger." He believes Israel likely did not have prior warning of Hamas' attacks, despite some theories Netanyahu allowed it to galvanize public support. The analyst warns Israel's threatened invasion of Gaza could parallel Nazi failures in WWII battles like Stalingrad. He argues a Gaza invasion and indiscriminate bombing of civilians could provoke massive outrage in the Muslim world. Overall, the analyst cautions that emotions run high in this conflict and nuclear escalation, while unlikely from rational actors like Putin, is more conceivable from cornered hotheads in the Israel-Arab conflict.

[ExomatrixTV]

• Rand Paul Shuts Down Hawk Lindsey Graham's Call To Bomb Iran?:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=GzI0s4eLe8w

• Iran Issue starts at 2:59 in to the video above.

[ExomatrixTV]

Posted by Gwin Ru (here)
...


... extended/expanded laying out of the significant backdrop data points leading to Scott Ritter's point of view on the situation with Hamas and which makes some sense, too:

IS THIS THE END OF WAR IN UKRAINE? HAMAS, WHO IS BEHIND IT? W/ SCOTT RITTER AND ANDREI MARTYANOV 1:20:37

Streamed live 20 hours ago

Through the eyes of

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=KM5-qF91Ky4

YES – They Actually Created & Funded Their Enemy! . Considering the level of hostility between Israel and Hamas, it may come as a surprise to many to learn that the Israeli government was instrumental in creating and funding Hamas a plan devised as a means of driving a wedge between Palestinians in a strategy of “divide and conquer.” Not only that but Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu even told his Likud Party followers in 2019 that his plan was to continue funding Hamas. . Jimmy, The Convo Couch’s Craig Jardula and Kurt Metzger discuss the level of hypocrisy coming from Netanyahu and other Israelis who claim to treat Hamas as their mortal enemy rather than a partner in promoting extremism on both sides.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=NcY2Fa8Fx4I

[ExomatrixTV]

• Here’s The ONLY WAY This Conflict Ends! – Scott Ritter:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=VFa2PRTZ1SM

In surveying the situation in Israel following the Hamas attacks of last weekend, former weapons inspector Scott Ritter suggests that the conflict cannot possibly end unless and until one of the opposing parties loses a decisive military defeat and gives up. And there’s no defeat overwhelming enough to cause the Palestinians to give up, he says, so the big loser long term has to be Israel.

Jimmy, The Convo Couch’s Craig Jardula and Kurt Metzger discuss Ritter’s assessment as well as his evaluation of the internal conflicts roiling the Israeli political and military establishments.

[PathWalker]

Another idea I had driving home today, with convoys of ammunition and armored vehicles on the roads.

American interest are:

1. Israel to exhaust it ammunition supplies and be completely dependent on USA supplies. As in 1973.
2. Prevent Turkey from taking back its empire.
3. Demonstrate military power as deterrence against regional escalation, regional escalation promoted by CCP in order to exhaust USA resources.
4. Secure strategic naval routes and strategic resources in the eastern meditaranian sea.
5. Standby to take over Israel in case Israel state crumbles.

[Gwin Ru]

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... never mind what one hears... much less what one sees:

[norman]

Posted by Gwin Ru (here)
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... never mind what one hears... much less what one sees:

That's odd. I've seen a version of that where no one came out from under the cover and ran away. One of them must be a faked version.

oppps . . . I went back to see the version i saw on Telegram and it DOES have someone do that.


Mods might like to delete my post ?

[Bill Ryan]

From The Moon of Alabama. This is an important perspective.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/10/the-split-in-israel-and-the-war-of-al-aqsa.html#more

The Split in Israel and the War of Al-Aqsa

What is the reason for the 'Al-Aqsa Deluge', as Hamas had named its terror operation against the Zionists?

On October 8 Alastair Crooke, one of most experienced Middle East hands, wrote in AlMahadeen:

"Israel" has shattered into two equally weighted factions holding to two irreconcilable visions of "Israel’s" future; two mutually opposing readings of history and of what it means to be Jewish. The fissure could not be more complete. Except it is. One faction, which holds a majority in parliament, is broadly Mizrahi -- a former underclass in Israeli society; and the other, largely well-to-do liberal Ashkenazi.

Mizrahi are mostly the original Middle Eastern Jews and often on the religious far right, Ashkenazi are mostly liberal European ones. The current Netanyahoo government is the first which includes far-right Mizrahi ministers.

Most Mizrahi follow the Sephardi religious rites. They want an religious state based on Jewish law. They are as radial as ISIS.

The high court of Israel has 14 Ashkenazi judges and one Mizrahi one. It is one of the reasons why the Netanyahoo government wants the parliament to be able to vote down high court judgements. There have been large, U.S. sponsored 'regime change' protests in Israel against that move. The leaders of the military and security services, mostly Ashkenazi, have also opposed the government move against the court.

I therefore think that it is quite possible that there was intelligence pointing to the Hamas attack, but that it was not revealed to let Netanyahoo fall into a trap. We have however no evidence that there were reasonably precise intelligence warnings, or that they were held up.

There are already demands for Netanyahoo to go. If only for his long term sponsoring of Hamas as a counterweight to the more secular Fatah Palestinians. Should he no longer be prime minister the courts will take up the three bribe cases against him which are currently pending. He would likely end up in jail.

Another reason for Hamas' success was the fact that three of the four infantry battalions, with 800 soldiers each, that usually guard the Gaza strip, had been moved to the West Bank to protect right-wing Zionist settlers during a religious holiday. This allowed for Hamas' easy breach of the fence.

Back to Alastair Crooke on the real motive of the Al-Aqsa flood:

Well, the Right in Netanyahu’s government has two long-standing commitments. One is to rebuild the (Jewish) Temple on ‘Temple Mount’ (Haram al-Shariff). Just to be clear, that would entail demolishing Al-Aqsa.
The second overriding commitment is to the founding of "Israel", on the "Land of Israel". And again, to be clear, this (in their view) would entail clearing Palestinians from the West Bank. Indeed, the settlers have been cleansing Palestinians from swaths of the West Bank over the past year (notably between Ramallah and Jericho).
On Thursday morning (two days preceding Al-Aqsa Flood), more than 800 settlers stormed the Mosque Compound, under the full protection of Israeli forces. The drumbeat of such provocations is rising.
This is nothing new. The First Intifada was triggered by (then) PM Sharon making a provocative visit into the mosque. I was a part of Senator George Mitchell’s Presidential Committee investigating that incident. Even then, it was clear that Sharon intended the visit to fuel the fire of religious nationalism. At that time, the Temple Mount Movement was a minnow; today it has ministers in Cabinet and in key security positions -- and has promised its followers to build the ‘Third Temple’.
So, the threat to Al-Aqsa has been building for two decades, and today is reaching an apex. And yet US and Israeli intelligence didn’t see resistance coming, and nor did they see the settler violence building in the West Bank?
What happened on Saturday was widely expected and clearly extensively planned.

There is by the way no archaeologic evidence, none, that a Jewish 'Temple' ever existed in Jerusalem. If it did, it was most likely not on the hill of Al-Aqsa but one of the six other ones.

Al-Aqsa is holy to all Muslims, Shia and Sunni alike. Its destruction would inevitably lead to war. The West is clearly underestimating what forces calls like this one can rise:

Khalid Aljabri, MD د.خالد الجبري @JabriMD - 11:52 UTC · Oct 13, 2023 Friday sermon from the Grand Mosque in Mecca prays for the “liberation of Al-Aqsa Mosque” in Jerusalem.
This is significant for two reasons:
• Audience of 2 billion Muslims.
• Such sermons have been significantly censored under MBS. Today's sermon was likely pre-approved.
Video

Israel has used White Phosphorus on the people in Gaza, another war crime. Israel has given all people in north Gaza, 1.1 million human beings, 24 hours to move to south Gaza. That is impossible and will not happen. It is an attempt of ethnic cleansing.

Caitlin Johnstone @caitoz - 10:52 UTC · Oct 13, 2023 If there were two million Jewish people trapped by Christians in a giant open-air prison and placed under total siege, being told that half of them had 24 hours to relocate into the other half or be killed, nobody would have any confusion about what they were witnessing.

If Israel makes, as announced, a ground attack on Gaza, Hizbullah in Lebanon is likely to attack Israel. The U.S. has allegedly let Syria know (via France) that Damascus, and President Assad personally, would be attacked if that were to happen. This is a miscalculation. It is far from certain that Assad, or even Iran, has the means to hold Hizbullah back.

A U.S. attack on the government of Syria would bring Russia into the war. Iran would also respond which is exactly what some of the neocons want.

The war could easily escalate further from there.