Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War

[Rizotto]

News from Egypt, which could play a key role in defusing the terrible Gaza situation:

Construction of Russian nuclear power plant in Egypt ahead of schedule – Putin
The president described the El-Dabaa facility as a flagship project in Africa
https://www.rt.com/africa/585038-rus...r-plant-egypt/

and

Egypt HIGH ALERT as this is about to get much worse & Putin knows it | Redacted w Clayton Morris

"The Israel Palestinian war is at a tipping point moment and Egypt is on high alert for what happens next. While Israel readies a massive invasion of Gaza the Egyptian government is fighting off western media lies about Rafah border crossing. But there is a much game being played by globalists at the moment and we explore all angles in today's video. "

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=NUG9VmTHEo0

So, Egypt wants to join the BRICS... The world is shifting alright.

[norman]

China is warning Israel.

BRICS will most likely side with Palestine.


https://t.me/anon_fa_mous/4530

[Arcturian108]

Here is one Arab's perspective on Palestinians that dovetails with that astute Israeli's perspective on the historical context:
https://twitter.com/HumanDilemma_/status/1713887268501405957

[gini]

Posted by Arcturian108 (here)
Here is one Arab's perspective on Palestinians that dovetails with that astute Israeli's perspective on the historical context:
https://twitter.com/HumanDilemma_/st...87268501405957

Its a call for hate;"burn them"he says..

[Gwin Ru]

...

... while in those internecine turbulent eddies, here is the other side of the coin:

• Rabbi Feldman: "THE STATE OF ISRAEL DOES NOT REPRESENT ALL JEWS" 01:29

• Rabbi Shapiro; https://twitter.com/RTerriers/status...40082270708005 07:10

• David Livingstone: Globalists & the Creation of the Wahhabi/Hamas Terrorism

[Michel Leclerc]

Posted by Dorjezigzag (here)

(...)

Why are you constantly trying to reduce my argument to 'its just about fairytales', yes that is one element, but my article was about so much more than that. For instance how terror is used to induce shock and trauma and how to maximise this effect. The focus on youth and sexuality. All very much psychological manipulations.

(...)

Thank you Dorjezigzag. You have a point. I apologise for having read your first contribution too cursorily. I imagine that what may have hurt you is my post almost starting with the words “your fairytale interpretation of such movies”, which was/is ambiguous yet not so intended. What I meant was not that your interpretation would be unreal ("fairytale") but simply that it is a Proppian interpretation – and that was in itself imprecise because Propp is about fairytales, but certainly and even more so about legends and myths.

I thank you for the personal story, and I intend to read it with my full attention.

[Bill Ryan]

Here's Alastair Crooke, a highly experienced and extremely aware former British diplomat, talking to Judge Napolitano an hour ago. He speaks calmly and slowly, without a trace of emotion, as if he's discussing what to have for lunch. But his demeanor is one of the very greatest gravity. He says:

• There's no chance of any diplomacy stopping an Israeli ground invasion of Gaza. (But when Israel embarks on this, their difficulties and losses will be huge.)
• What is happening right now in Gaza is definitively and indisputably an Israeli war crime.
• Media coverage of all of this in the US is minimal compared with the extensive reporting in the rest of the world, and the huge wave of pro-Palestinian support this has generated.
• After the war is over, which may take a while, Russia, China, Saudi Arabia and Iran will then apply great diplomatic pressure for a permanent solution to the longstanding Palestinian issue.
• But the war is currently very unstable and unpredictable, and even small incidents could precipitate far larger ones. Hezbollah could enter the conflict with considerable force any day now. Anything could happen at all, at any time.

He also said, re Ukraine:

• The war is effectively over.
• Zelensky will be moved aside to live in exile somewhere, and all that will happen quite soon.

Can Diplomacy Save the Middle East?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=W5hpJZ2uNRc

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Here's Alastair Crooke, a highly experienced and extremely aware former British diplomat, talking to Judge Napolitano an hour ago. He speaks calmly and slowly, without a trace of emotion, as if he's discussing what to have for lunch. But his demeanor is one of the very greatest gravity. He says:

• There's no chance of any diplomacy stopping an Israeli ground invasion of Gaza. (But when Israel embarks on this, their difficulties and losses will be huge.)
• What is happening right now in Gaza is definitively and indisputably an Israeli war crime.
• Media coverage of all of this in the US is minimal compared with the extensive reporting in the rest of the world, and the huge wave of pro-Palestinian support this has generated.
• After the war is over, which may take a while, Russia, China, Saudi Arabia and Iran will then apply great diplomatic pressure for a permanent solution to the longstanding Palestinian issue.
• But the war is currently very unstable and unpredictable, and even small incidents could precipitate far larger ones. Hezbollah could enter the conflict with considerable force any day now. Anything could happen at all, at any time.

He also said, re Ukraine:

• The war is effectively over.
• Zelensky will be moved aside to live in exile somewhere, and all that will happen quite soon.

Can Diplomacy Save the Middle East?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=W5hpJZ2uNRc

It's interesting what he says about Zelinsky and Ukraine. I tend to mostly agree with him, but, that's a whole different thread topic.

As for Israel, there is no turning back in my opinion. Which means they will invade, and this will almost certainly spiral out of control throughout the whole Middle East (and elsewhere).

Anything is possible and no one can predict how this will play out. Something does feel a little different today though. I sense certain deals are being made, regardless, it's gonna get worse before it gets better in my opinion.

[Dorjezigzag]

Posted by Michel Leclerc (here)

Posted by Dorjezigzag (here)

(...)

Why are you constantly trying to reduce my argument to 'its just about fairytales', yes that is one element, but my article was about so much more than that. For instance how terror is used to induce shock and trauma and how to maximise this effect. The focus on youth and sexuality. All very much psychological manipulations.

(...)

Thank you Dorjezigzag. You have a point. I apologise for having read your first contribution too cursorily. I imagine that what may have hurt you is my post almost starting with the words “your fairytale interpretation of such movies”, which was/is ambiguous yet not so intended. What I meant was not that your interpretation would be unreal ("fairytale") but simply that it is a Proppian interpretation – and that was in itself imprecise because Propp is about fairytales, but certainly and even more so about legends and myths.

I thank you for the personal story, and I intend to read it with my full attention.

Thank you for those kind words, it certainly takes some tension from our interactions. I have the feeling we have a very different perspective on the world but let us try and be respectful and appreciate one another's viewpoints. In life, we often encounter situations that aren't simply black and white, where clear distinctions between right and wrong may not apply. Instead, it becomes a matter of making choices or paths between two or more alternatives—sometimes, it's a matter of either/or.

The article was not meant to be an academic paper; its intention was to be accessible, even for the age group that will be most affected by these events. While it's true that the points could be expanded in various areas with reference to various psychologists, that might limit its potential audience.

I'd like to clarify that just because I mentioned Propp in our interactions it doesn't mean he's the sole influence on my article. The psychologist I find most relevant to what I'm trying to communicate is Carl Jung, particularly in his concepts of archetypes and the shadow. These young adults, who are in the process of forming their personalities and sense of individuation, may be unwittingly guided on a twisted hero's journey, led down a certain path by a narrative constructed around them. In this context, the shadow that should be faced is the monster within themselves but this is projected onto others, in this case Hamas terrorists. Conversely, for Hamas, it is projected onto the Israeli people.

I shared that personal true story to illustrate how I have eperienced the world of dreams and myths being closely connected with reality. Extreme trauma often blurs the boundary between the conscious and unconscious worlds. It's essential to understand that while trauma affects us from the past, it can also reverberate back from the future. When I discuss these issues, it's not from the perspective of someone solely viewing them through the disconnected lens of a camera or the pages of a fairy tale. As I mentioned in the story, life sometimes blurs the boundaries between the dream world and the waking world. We start to perceive faint patterns and structures that connect ancient myths and fairy tales.

The authorities that manipulate our lives are keenly aware of these unconscious patterns; this is occult knowledge. They're pulling strings that most people aren't even aware of, which makes it even more crucial to understand the psychological aspects at play in the narratives we're exposed to.

[jaybee]

Posted by gini (here)

Source: https://www.bitchute.com/video//dKFsPsjnPpMf/
. David Sorensen, 14 oktober 2023. 60 min.

'This film reveals something so nefarious, so evil, so baffling that many will find it hard to believe. It's still true.
This film could deliver a fatal blow to the satanic elites who want to establish a world government to enslave all of humanity.

The shocking secrets revealed by this incredible documentary will shine a bright light on those who have always hid behind the State of Israel and Hamas.'

Thanks.... I think something that's very relevant to what's happening in Israel and Gaza at the moment and an important piece of the Big Picture is what the presenter says @37 minutes - when referring to the Global Elite

'..........their ultimate goal is to set up a One World Government - global governance - and they want the headquarters to be in Jerusalem - and this has an ancient spiritual reason ......................they specifically want Jerusalem to be their headquarters.....'

I think in preparation they basically want the Gaza Strip gone - and this is the operation to do it - - regardless of the risk of inflaming the whole region and possible World War - -

[Vicus]

Israeli President Says There Are No Innocent Civilians in Gaza

saac Herzog says: 'It is not true this rhetoric about civilians not being aware, not involved'

Israeli President Isaac Herzog said Friday that civilians in Gaza bear responsibility for the Hamas attack on southern Israel as Israeli bombs are killing scores of people in the besieged enclave.

“It is an entire nation out there that is responsible,” Herzog said, referring to Gaza, which is not recognized as an independent nation. “It is not true this rhetoric about civilians not being aware, not involved. It’s absolutely not true.”

Herzog claimed that civilians in Gaza “could have risen up. They could have fought against that evil regime which took over Gaza in a coup d’etat.”

Proponents of the collective punishment of Gaza often claim the civilians living in the enclave elected Hamas. But the last time Gazans participated in elections was in 2006, and many of the enclave’s current citizens were not at voting age or even alive at the time, as about half of Gaza’s 2.3 million residents are children.

Hamas’ party won the 2006 elections, but a government was not formed based on the results. After the elections, fighting broke out between Hamas and the rival Fatah party, which was encouraged and backed by the George W. Bush administration. The fighting led to Hamas taking power as the de facto governing body in Gaza in 2007.

The Hamas takeover was used to justify the Israeli blockade on Gaza that started in 2007 and is still in effect today, giving Israel the power to impose a “complete siege” on the enclave in the wake of the October 7 Hamas attack on southern Israel.

Since the Hamas attack was launched, Israeli airstrikes have killed at least 2,450 Palestinians in Gaza, according to the Palestinian Health Ministry. The number includes 724 children and 458 women.

https://news.antiwar.com/2023/10/15/...lians-in-gaza/

[Bill Ryan]

Astonishingly (or maybe not so!), this new piece, published on 12 October by Seymour Hersh, is a little hard to find. Here it is, copied in full for the record. It features testimony from 'a veteran of Israel’s national security apparatus with inside knowledge of recent happenings'.

https://johnmenadue.com/netanyahu-is-finished

Netanyahu is finished

Decades ago I spent three years writing The Samson Option (1991), an exposé of the unstated policy of American presidents going back to Dwight Eisenhower to look the other way as Israel began the process of building an atomic bomb. The right or wrong for Israel, in the aftermath of the Holocaust, was not the point of the book. My point was that what America was doing was known throughout the Third World, as it was then called, and our duplicity made our worries about the spread of nuclear weapons another example of American hypocrisy. Since then others have undertaken far more comprehensive studies, as some of the most highly classified Israeli and US documents have become public.

I chose not to go to Israel to do my research in fear of running afoul of Israeli national security law. But I found Israelis living abroad who had worked on the secret project and were willing to talk to me once I indicated I had information from American intelligence files. Those who worked on such highly classified materials have remained loyal to Israel, and a few of them became lifelong friends of mine. They have also remained in close touch with former colleagues who stayed in Israel.

This is an account of the past week’s horrific events in Israel, as seen by a veteran of Israel’s national security apparatus with inside knowledge of recent happenings.

The most important thing I needed to understand, the Israeli insider told me, is that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu “is finished. He is a walking dead man. He will stay in office only until the shooting stops . . . maybe another month or two.” He served as prime minister from 1996 until 1999 and again, as leader of the right-wing Likud Party, from 2009 to 2021, returning for a third stint in late 2022. “Bibi was always opposed to the 1993 Oslo Accords,” the insider said, which initially gave the Palestinian Authority nominal control over both the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. When he returned to office in 2009, the insider said, “Bibi chose to support Hamas” as an alternative to the Palestinian Authority, “and gave them money and established them in Gaza.”

An arrangement was made with Qatar, which began sending hundreds of millions of dollars to the Hamas leadership with Israeli approval. The insider told me that “Bibi was convinced that he would have more control over Hamas with the Qatari money—let them occasionally fire rockets into southern Israel and have access to jobs inside Israel—than he would with the Palestinian Authority. He took that risk.

“What happened this week,” the insider said, “was a result of the Bibi doctrine that you could create a Frankenstein and have control over it.” The attack by Hamas was a direct result of a decision Bibi made, over the protest of local military commanders, “to allow a group of Orthodox settlers to celebrate Sukkot in the West Bank.” Sukkot is an annual fall holiday that commemorates the ancestral journey of Jews into the depths of the desert. It is a weeklong festival that is observed by building an outdoor temporary structure known as a sukkah in which all could share the food that their predecessors ate and viscerally connect to the harvest season.

The request came at a time of extreme tension over another West Bank incident in which Jewish settlers, according to the Associated Press, “rampaged through a flashpoint town” on October 6 and killed a 19-year-old Arab male. The youth’s death, the AP report added, “marked the latest in a surge in Israeli-Palestinian fighting that so far has killed nearly 200 Palestinians this year—the highest yearly death toll in about two decades.”

The Sukkot celebration, held near a Palestinian village known in Hebrew as Haware, would need extraordinary protection, given the tension over the latest violence, and the local Israeli military authorities, with the approval of Netanyahu, ordered two of the three Army battalions, each with about 800 soldiers, that protected the border with Gaza to shift their focus to the Sukkot festival.

“That left only eight hundred soldiers,” the insider told me, “to be responsible for guarding the 51-kilometre border between the Gaza Strip and southern Israel. That meant the Israeli citizens in the south were left without an Israeli military presence for ten to twelve hours. They were left to fend for themselves. And that is why Bibi is finished. May take a few months, but he is over.”

The insider called the attack in southern Israel “the great military failure in Israeli history” and pointed out that “only soldiers were killed in the ’73 war” — the surprise attack on Yom Kippur in which Israel was briefly overrun by Egyptian and Syrian troops. “Last Saturday twenty-two settlements in the south were under control of Hamas for hours, and they went house to house slaughtering women and children.”

There will be a military response, the insider said, noting that 360,000 reservists have been called up. “There is a big debate going on about strategy. The Israeli Air Force and Navy special forces are ready to go, but Bibi and the military leadership have always favored the high-tech services. The regular army has been used primarily as security guards in the West Bank. . . . The reality is that the ground forces are not trained for combat. Don’t misunderstand — there is confidence in the spirit of the troops but not in their ability to succeed in the ‘special situation’ that the soldiers would be facing in a ground assault” in the ruins of heavily bombed Gaza City.

The reservists are now undergoing crash training and a decision of what to do may come by the end of this week, the insider said. Meanwhile, the current bombing of civilian targets — apartment buildings, hospitals, and mosques — no longer includes a token civilian safeguard. In prior attacks in Gaza City, he said, the Israeli Air Force often would drop a small bomb on the roof of a civilian facility to be targeted — it was called “a knock on the roof” — that would theoretically alert noncombatants to flee the building. That is not happening in the current round-the-clock bombing raids.

As for a ground attack, the insider told me that there is a brutal alternative under consideration that could be described as the Leningrad approach, referring to the famed German effort to starve out the city now known as St. Petersburg during World War II. The Nazi siege lasted nearly 900 days and the death toll was at least 800,000 and possibly many more. It is known that the Hamas leadership and much of its manpower “live underground,” and Israel’s goal is to destroy as much of that manpower “without attempting a traditional house-to-house attack.”

The insider added that some Israelis were “made anxious” by the initial statements from world leaders in Germany, France, and England who avowed, in one case through an aide, their total support for an immediate response but added that it should be guided by the rule of law. President Biden reinforced that point in an unscheduled appearance at a White House conference of Jewish leaders Wednesday by pointedly saying that he had recently told Netanyahu: “it is really important that Israel, with all the anger and frustration and just — I don’t know how to explain it — that exists is that they operate by the rules of war — the rules of war. And there are rules of war.”

The option now under consideration, the Israeli insider told me, is to continue the isolation of Gaza City in terms of power supply and the delivery of food and other vital goods. “Hamas now only has a two- or three-day supply of purified water and that, along with a lack of food,” I was told, “may be enough to flush all the Hamas out.” At some point, he said, Israel may be able to negotiate the release of some prisoners — women and children — in return for food and water.

“The big debate today,” he said, “is whether to starve Hamas out or kill as many as 100,000 people in Gaza. One Israeli assumption is that Hamas, which has received as much as $1.6 billion from Qatar since 2014, wants to be seen as a sovereign that takes care of its people. He went on: “Now that President Biden says they are a terrorist state, Hamas may have reason to want to be seen as less hostile and there might be a chance for calm and rational discussion about prisoners—and a release of some of its Israeli hostages, beginning with women and children.” The other prisoners will be treated like prisoners of war, he said, and their release could be negotiated, as has happened in the past.

But, the insider added, “the more we all see” of Hamas brutality on TV and “the more Hamas is seen as another ISIS, time gets short.”

The reality, he said, is that Hamas is not rational and is incapable of any negotiations, and Qatar will not intervene. And, barring some international or third-party intervention, there may be a general ground invasion with untold deaths to all sides and to all prisoners.

The decision to invade in full force is Israel’s, and it has not yet been made.

[Vicus]

Why's the Only Available Checkpoint to Gaza Still Closed? 19 minutes ago (Updated: 18 minutes ago)

Gaza's residents are in urgent need of humanitarian aid deliveries, but it is still impossible. The only available checkpoint to Gaza is closed, despite agreements on its opening today.

As the humanitarian crisis in the Gaza Strip deepens, with food, fuel and water running short, humanitarian aid from several countries has been held up in Egypt pending a deal for its safe delivery to Gaza and the evacuation of some foreign passport holders through the Rafah border crossing. According to the UN, fuel reserves at all hospitals across the enclave are expected to last for about an additional 24 hours.
On Monday, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office stated that there was no truce for humanitarian aid to Gaza in exchange for getting foreigners out.



The international community has repeatedly requested that Israeli officials open 'safe corridors' for Gaza residents. On Sunday, the IDF officially announced the opening of an evacuation corridor from northern part of Gaza to the southern area. Simultaneously, UN Secretary-General Guterres appealed to Hamas to grant “unimpeded access for humanitarian aid” into the Gaza Strip and to immediately release all hostages. However, Israel refused to allow humanitarian cargo to enter the enclave.
How can the humanitarian aid enter the Gaza Strip now and what are the positions of Israel, Palestine and Egypt on the matter? Sputnik tried to find the answers.


Investigative journalist Seymour Hersh: Israel gearing up to flatten Gaza, wants Egypt, Qatar to handle refugees

Once the civilian population of the Gaza Strip gets evicted, Israel intends to launch a full-scale bombing campaign that would result in the destruction of the city, if Hersh’s revelations are to be believed.

First, the Israeli Air Force would wipe out the “remaining structures in Gaza City.” Then, Israeli aircraft would start dropping US-made 5,000-pound bunker buster bombs in the “flattened areas” of the Gaza Strip in order to destroy the Hamas’ underground facilities hidden deep beneath the enclave.

An Israeli insider told Hersh that the “current Israeli war planners” believe such munitions – “upgraded version of JDAMs (Joint Direct Attack Munitions) with larger warheads” – would be able to penetrate up to 50 meters deep before exploding and “killing all within one-half mile.”

Meanwhile, a former European intelligence official told Hersh that Hamas’ tunnels are situated so deep underground they can withstand the attacks with JDAMs.

What's the Problem With the Checkpoints?
There were only three checkpoints available to exit the Gaza Strip: Erez and Kerem Shalom to Israel and Rafah to Egypt.
The first one, Erez, was situated in the northern border from Gaza to Israel, worked exclusively to let people go through and was completely destroyed during Hamas' sneak attack on southern Israel on October 7. The same fate befell Kerem Shalom, the second checkpoint on that ominous morning - which was the only one that allowed all large cargo to enter Gaza, because of the economic blockade that Israel had imposed on the Gaza Strip under Hamas rule in 2007. For now, only the Rafah checkpoint to Egypt is available for operation, but the situation at the crossing remains unclear.

continue:
https://sputnikglobe.com/20231016/pu...114222049.html

[Agape]

Posted by Gwin Ru (here)
...

... while in those internecine turbulent eddies, here is the other side of the coin:

• Rabbi Feldman: "THE STATE OF ISRAEL DOES NOT REPRESENT ALL JEWS" 01:29

• Rabbi Shapiro; https://twitter.com/RTerriers/status...40082270708005 07:10

• David Livingstone: Globalists & the Creation of the Wahhabi/Hamas Terrorism

I feel this is the core issue. Even within today’s Israel , the senior orthodox Jewish community ( aka Haredi , Chasidim etc.) do not support secular State of Israel ,
they reject and mostly resist military conscription ,
( as most of all of us - spiritual entities worldwide anyway),

and would dissolve the current “State of Israel” as we know it
in favour of larger religious state of Palestine that would be optimally open to all tribes and people of all faiths who could well live along
as they did in the area for several thousands of years.

Is it “surprising” that today’s secular state of Israel
looks down at its own orthodox elders who preach
peace and non violence and devote their lives to study
as “primitives”?

It’s true that majority of today’s young populace of Israel are not “religious” compared to the generations of their forefathers , they use the country as “proxy” in my sober opinion as the amount of money flowing through takes them high above everyone’s else’s economical situations , at the same time front research in countless science fields moves them ahead to future ,
at cost of ignoring the rest of all of us.


Hope I won’t sound too awkward in my observation if I say what I see around, at least half of the younger population are very fair or straight “blond”,
of all types of northern ancestry ( which makes one ask even simple question on how would such people survive in desert for very long time without AC,
without the perfect bottled water, kosher meals and vitamins supplements they are used to ),
making them “modern Israelites” but much less of , “ancestral Jews”

and so forth.

I wanted to say something about this before the forum went to “emergency mode”, my post never passed through ,
thanks to the “AI”.

In the face of current atrocities on both sides of the fence I feel I can not possibly come up with educated opinion ,

but hatred and hate crimes towards parts of humanity who are not as privileged - yes privileged - than some should come under inspection of our common humane sense of understanding.


The 12 tribes of Israel themselves were “migrants” by today’s terms who took over Jerusalem by trick and force in order to establish their Zion , the first temple and so forth.
This area was densely inhabited by many tribes for thousands of years of recorded ( archeological ) history, serving many traders and pilgrims between continents.

It was relatively safe from Pharaonic Egypt ( especially after the sea has parted ..)
and possibly as far as those people were likely “willing to go” under the command of Moses.
Should they have not given in immediately they might have found their own unique place empty of inhabitants ( such certainly did exist in the Old World) where they would not have to fight or genocide local populace.

Speculation on my side of course but it’s not likely that Moses was given a map or coordinates of the promised land, he was only shown the escape route.

How unfortunate ..that no other solution has ever been found for the faithful
and the gifted other than “eternal war”?

So how much do our Peace prayers resonate with “those people”
of today who live shielded by wisdom of their Elders

but view it as matter of minor importance , in fact ?

🐚

[grapevine]

In 2017, the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) collected objects from two cities in Iraq, Baiji and Ramadi. These ordinary, everyday objects – such as this Teddy – bear witness to the impact of war and the suffering of civilians. Each holds a memory of its owner or user: we wonder who they belonged to and what these people were doing when war forced them to flee. They make us aware of all the different people who are affected, from children to the elderly, and all the areas of life that are disrupted. These are the voices of the millions of civilians affected by armed conflict and they remind us why respect for the rules of war is so essential.

This is particularly poignant as nearly half of Gaza's population is under the age of 18

[shaberon]

As they fall off the face of the earth:


Colombia expels Israeli ambassador, affirms will not accept genocide in Gaza



America enters the fight:

A US landlord was charged with murder and hate crimes Sunday after allegedly stabbing a Muslim woman and six-year-old boy dozens of times in an attack that police linked to the Zionist war on Gaza.

The child, who was stabbed 26 times, died at hospital, but the 32-year-old woman, believed to be his mother, is expected to survive the “heinous” Saturday attack, according to a statement from the Will County sheriff’s office in Illinois.

“Detectives were able to determine that both victims in this brutal attack were targeted by the culprit due to them being Muslim and the on-going Middle Eastern conflict involving Hamas and the Israelis,” said the statement, which located the killing about 40 miles (64 kilometers) west of Chicago.

[shaberon]

Plausible denial:


Director of Israel’s Security Agency Ronen Bar has taken responsibility for the body’s failure to predict the October 7 Hamas attack on the country's territory, he stated in a letter, excerpts of which are quoted by the Ynet portal.

"As the person who runs the organization, [I acknowledge]: the responsibility is on me," he wrote.



That way you can ignore the four years of preparation by Hamas openly and publicly, and, which Israelis actually helped it.

Ultimately, yes, it is his responsibility, and, realistically, he probably could not have known or done anything. But makes a good scapegoat.

[Michel Leclerc]

Posted by Arcturian108 (here)
Here is one Arab's perspective on Palestinians that dovetails with that astute Israeli's perspective on the historical context:
https://twitter.com/HumanDilemma_/status/1713887268501405957

Charming. Burn.. Where have I heard that before? This person is being served well. White phosphorus (phôs-phoros = Luci-fer) has already started raining down on the Palestinian leftovers.

[Kryztian]

A superb video by Abby Martin made seven years ago but has yet to be posted to the forum. It packs a lot of history into 22 minutes.

I have yet to use the words "ethnic cleansing" to describe the way the Palestinians have been treated by Zionists in the last nine decades, but after watching this video, it should seems like a fair and descriptive term for what has been happening, at least in the 1930s and 1940s.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=CUZaR3op1qw

[gini]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=9jBgGY2Ww9Q

--22 min-685,569 views Oct 17, 2023 #piersmorgan #mohammedhijab #palestine
Piers Morgan Uncensored is joined by YouTuber and pro-Palestinian Mohammed Hijab for a lively debate on the historic conflict between Israel and Palestine and whether the terrorist attacks committed by Hamas warrant the level of response by Israel and whether the IDF should be labelled as 'terrorists' too for the mass killing of civilians during the bombing of Gaza.

Mohammed makes the point that it is impossible to defend Israel's actions as 'defending themselves' when they are the occupiers of Palestinian territory. Mohammed also adds that 'flattening out' Gaza with carpet bombing is an irrational response to try and get rid of Hamas fighters when he believes they have the capabilities to go into Gaza and surgically remove and target them.