Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War

**Sirus** · 18th October 2023 08:45

'It wasn't us': Israel releases new audio of Islamic Jihad 'admitting to hospital blast' that killed hundreds in Gaza

**shaberon** · 18th October 2023 09:51

Posted by Sirus (here)
'It wasn't us': Israel releases new audio of Islamic Jihad 'admitting to hospital blast' that killed hundreds in Gaza

They will have to try that one with UN SEC as Russia and United Arab Emirates expect an answer today.

In Lebanese, it's called a lie:

Biden adopts Israeli fabrications on hospital massacre in Gaza amid roar at press conference with Netanyahu.

LBC News is, of course, in England.

Asked about the IDF’s claim that the blast was due to a botched rocket launch by Islamic Jihad, Mansour slammed Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu as "a liar."

It will take satellite images, not graphics suggesting an Islamic Jihad misfire.

That is, of course, possible, except it would lack intent and do nothing to mitigate the overall atrocity against Gazans. The presence of Biden, of course, adds a little weight to the possibility of an attempt at subterfuge.

It is kind of hard to imagine that no local person would have anything to say about misfire or not.

It is possible for Israel to tell the truth, sometimes, but they are not what we would call "reliable", no matter how many Brits and Americans jump on the bandwagon.

**Samurai** · 18th October 2023 10:34

Again, I apologize if these thoughts have been covered. And please, I am not writing this to inflame opinions, this is just a stripped right back observation.

Yesterday I was pondering the whole situation and had a very simple realisation. Modern “Israel” is a very new nation. It is not the ancient Nation of Israel. It could have been placed anywhere and called anything. At the point of its creation, anywhere in the world would have been gratefully accepted by the Jewish people.
Instead they chose a name and location with massive biblical weight, instantly attaching it to biblical prophecy and to a certain extent, giving the impression that the nation has existed for some 3000 years. They did not need to do this.

Today I was reading comments on a website I visit now and then, and I found this by someone identified as JD:

“Cyrus Ingerson Scofield and an artificial pause in Daniels 70th week prophesy that was callously used to move already fulfilled prophesy concerning “the end” of the nation of Israel into the future, thereby duping Evangelicals into supporting a modern temporal Israel!”

As I see it, the bottom line is, the current nation of “Israel” is a modern invention, placed and named very carefully for Geopolitical ends. It is masquerading as something it is most certainly not. A cynical ruse that the entire west is playing along with. It was devised to create as much religious weight as possible, garnering support and resistance by pulling the at the very strings of people’s faith. Throw in decades of holocaust/antisemitic/Islamophobic programming, those who are not religious are also pulled into the agenda. There is a very strong chance that “Israel” is the linchpin to plans that have been in place for a very long time. For those implementing the plan no cost is too high, no sacrifice too great.

They do not care about the Jews, the Muslims, or anyone else for that matter. The certainly do not want Peace. If they did, then the Jewish Homeland would have been located and named very differently.

The storm is nearly upon us I fear.

**Ernie Nemeth** · 18th October 2023 10:40

Posted by Ewan (here)

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
Hamas attacked civilians directly.
Killing hundreds of citizens.
gunned down in their homes
in their cars
while dancing
while klinging to their children
hundreds taken back to Gaza as human shields

The Gazans chose their lot.

I have to say Ernie, having long paid interest to your posts over the years.

-You have to go back to page one of ACIM and start again.

I'm literally astonished that you would come out with, not just this post, but the subsequent ones in this thread.

Ya, I'm surprising myself as well. Not sure why I've taken this stance except to say that I do not like when people jump on a bandwagon like this. I tend to buck the trend.

Also, I may as well work in the middle east as it is. Our job site is like the tower of Babel. People talking in a dozen languages side by side. That's all I can say on that topic. Not fun at all.
And I can tell you from experience that 'diversity is not strength'.

**pueblo** · 18th October 2023 10:44

Posted by Sirus (here)
'It wasn't us': Israel releases new audio of Islamic Jihad 'admitting to hospital blast' that killed hundreds in Gaza

Remember the old (they changed it a few years ago) Mossad motto? "By Way of Deception Thou Shalt Do War"

**Bill Ryan** · 18th October 2023 11:10

Posted by Sirus (here)
'It wasn't us': Israel releases new audio of Islamic Jihad 'admitting to hospital blast' that killed hundreds in Gaza

It doesn't matter. No-one will believe the Israelis or the Americans whatever they say (and I don't right now either), and the damage has been done. When a fire has been ignited, you can't put it out just by saying it was a mistake.

**Sirus** · 18th October 2023 11:12

Posted by pueblo (here)

Posted by Sirus (here)
'It wasn't us': Israel releases new audio of Islamic Jihad 'admitting to hospital blast' that killed hundreds in Gaza

Remember the old (they changed it a few years ago) Mossad motto? "By Way of Deception Thou Shalt Do War"

All war is deception, of course. We wouldn't have had a successful D-Day landing without it.

Why would Hamas be telling the truth though?

**Bill Ryan** · 18th October 2023 12:00

Israeli National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir said that the only thing that should be sent to Gaza is "hundreds of tons of explosives."

American journalist Jackson Hinkle urges people not to believe what the media says.

“Now, for the first time in over four decades, since the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1982, the entire armoured corps has been called up. This is a massive force … it is understood to include over 1,000 main battle tanks.” (The Economist)

AMERICAN EMBASSY SET ABLAZE: US diplomatic mission in Lebanon feels heat of angry crowd as HUNDREDS surround it, lighting up fire at its gates (right vid) while security tries to control situation by releasing gas.
Turkey's streets turn into war zone (left vid) as groups of pro-Palestine people who earlier STORMED Israeli Embassy chant and start fire nearby Tel Aviv's consulate.
Israel's decision to KILL hundreds in Gaza hospital attack has sparked violent responses in world.

The number of residents of the Gaza Strip who have fled their homes has reached 1 million, the UN reported.

A BBC correspondent believes a hospital in Gaza was attacked by an Israeli aircraft
"Given the size of the explosion, it's hard to imagine that it could be other than an Israeli airstrike or multiple airstrikes. Because when we see rockets fired from Gaza, we never see explosions on this scale. We have witnessed half a dozen, maybe a little bit more, people killed by such rocket attacks.
But we've never seen anything like the scale of the explosion in the video that I watched earlier, which, as you said, has yet to be verified."

Former Mossad agent explains how Israel controls the narrative.
(MUST WATCH)

Israel launched a second air strike on rescuers who were searching for women and children under the rubble of a destroyed hospital in the Gaza Strip – The Guardian.

The bomb that was thrown at [the Gaza] Baptist Hospital was an American MK-84.
It is the same one that bombed an Iraqi hospital during the American occupation and led to the death of 500 Iraqis.
(source here)

The MSNBC reporter admits that the Palestinians do not have the rocket capable of causing such an explosion and destruction.
He also mentioned that the reports of the Israeli army are unreliable.

Russia classifies the attack on a hospital in Gaza as a crime and an act of dehumanization.
The Russian Federation calls on Israel to provide satellite images to prove its non-involvement in this incident - Russian Foreign Ministry.

Palestinian Ambassador to Japan: Israel made a warning call to the Baptist Hospital in Gaza an hour before the attack
https://fxtwitter.com/AJABreaking/status/1714527796943274026

The Palestinian ambassador to Japan said Israel made a warning call “an hour before the explosion” at a hospital in the Gaza Strip, Reuters.‌‌

Videos from Gaza support a strike on the hospital by the Israeli Air Force: an American GBU-31 JDAM bomb was probably used, Russian military expert Alexey Leonkov told RIA Novosti.
This is evidenced by the power of the explosion and the characteristic sound of a projectile falling. This very whistling sound is clearly visible in the video from the scene of the tragedy, which RIA Novosti published that night.

Egyptian Foreign Minister:
“The Rafah checkpoint has been bombed four times in recent days, making it difficult for humanitarian aid to reach residents of the Gaza Strip.”

**Tintin** · 18th October 2023 12:30

Concerning the hospital strike this video may well be one that lays the blame irrefutably at Israel's door. If I'm viewing this correctly then it appears to be an air-to-ground missile suggested, in Bill's post preceding this, as an MK-84, but I'm no expert on that type of missile necessarily. Confirmatory responses and alternative video shots on the thread:

Source: https://twitter.com/AyazK100/status/1714558676378488832

UPDATE:

Source: https://twitter.com/politblogme/stat...45571770380529

Text:

A Russian speaking Israeli Telegram channel was bragging about a surprise for Gaza (18:46), then they were cheering, "we told you so." Then they deleted the posts and claimed that HAMAS rocket hit the hospital. But Internet remembers everything.

**SilentFeathers** · 18th October 2023 12:46

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Sirus (here)
'It wasn't us': Israel releases new audio of Islamic Jihad 'admitting to hospital blast' that killed hundreds in Gaza

It doesn't matter. No-one will believe the Israelis or the Americans whatever they say (and I don't right now either), and the damage has been done. When a fire has been ignited, you can't put it out just by saying it was a mistake.

I totally agree; the media is making darn sure to control the narrative.

What blows my mind is the majority of the world just wants Israel to accept the slaughter of October 7th and move on from it like it never happened. Brush it under the rug so to speak. If a group of thugs went into any other country other than Israel and brutally murdered 1400 civilians, the whole world would be united, in an uproar, and demanding justice at any cost.

Not one Arab country will take any Gaza refugees, not even temporarily. They are willing to send them some medical supplies and food but not remove them from the hot zone. They are content to just let the civilian population ride out the storm and the deaths to continue. The only solution is to stop Israel regardless of how many will die. It is quite telling in my opinion.

Regardless of how this moves forward, it is a no-win situation for Israel. There are just too many countries and peoples that want Israel and the Jews removed from this planet. Some things never change.

Not many know this, but Gaza has been conquered and destroyed over and over again for centuries. Gaza is about 4,000 years old. Talk about a never-ending cycle of killing and destruction! I'm surprised the ground there is not dark red....

**Rizotto** · 18th October 2023 12:57

The timing of this terrible Israeli attack on the Gaza hospital, could it be to detract from another significant event that the deep state really wants to shut down:
the Belt and Road Forum in Beijing, China, on Wednesday, October 18, 2023.
Many media don't even bother to report on this, but some do.

October 18, 2023
Xi reaffirms ‘deep friendship’ with Putin as China and Russia condemn Israel’s assault on Gaza
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/worl...ussia-condemn/
Excerpt:

“We spoke in detail about the situation in the Middle East, and I informed [Mr. Xi] on the situation that is developing in Ukraine,” Mr. Putin said, adding, “external factors are common threats, and they only strengthen the Russia-China relationship.”
While in Beijing, Mr. Putin also took advantage of this week’s forum to hold bilateral meetings with a number of other world leaders, including Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban, one of his few allies left in Europe, who on Tuesday said, “Hungary has never wanted to confront Russia.” The following day, Mr. Putin also met with the leaders of Indonesia, Pakistan and Vietnam, accepting an invitation from the latter to visit Hanoi in the near future."

**thirtythree** · 18th October 2023 13:01

Posted by Dorjezigzag (here)

The black flag is flying over Iran's Imam Reza shrine — for the first time in history.

Pretty sure this happened last year so not the first time

Saturday July 30, 2022

Black flag has been raised over Imam Reza's (AS) holy shrine in Iran concurrent with the start of Muharram mourning ceremonies.

This is a traditional symbol of mourning in Islam and is done to commemorate the martyrdom of Imam Hussein (AS), the grandson of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

The black flag will remain raised until the end of the Islamic mourning months of Muharram and Safar.

The mourning ceremonies for the third Shia Imam culminate on the Day of Ashura which marks martyrdom anniversary of Imam Hussein (AS).

https://en.ifilmtv.ir/News/Content/40217/

We're are currently in the muslim month of Rabi-us-sani (2nd rabi) and the month of mourning (Moharram) is 9 months away.

**grapevine** · 18th October 2023 13:27

ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD | Israel/Palestine | Hebrew & Arabic | 83" | 2013 (Documentary Film)

Former West Bank settler Lia Tarachansky looks at Israelis’ collective amnesia of the fateful events of 1948 when the state of Israel was born and most of the Palestinians became refugees. She follows the transformation of Israeli veterans trying uncover their denial of the war that changed the region forever.

Tarachansky then turns the camera on herself and travels back to her settlement where that historical erasure gave birth to a new generation, blind and isolated from its surroundings. Attempting to shed a light on the country’s biggest taboo, she is met with outrage and violence.

I've added the link to the video, which is on Vimeo (1hr 23 mins)

https://vimeo.com/117772052

Source: Watch on Vimeo

**Dorjezigzag** · 18th October 2023 13:42

Posted by thirtythree (here)

Posted by Dorjezigzag (here)

The black flag is flying over Iran's Imam Reza shrine — for the first time in history.

Pretty sure this happened last year so not the first time

Saturday July 30, 2022

Black flag has been raised over Imam Reza's (AS) holy shrine in Iran concurrent with the start of Muharram mourning ceremonies.

This is a traditional symbol of mourning in Islam and is done to commemorate the martyrdom of Imam Hussein (AS), the grandson of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

The black flag will remain raised until the end of the Islamic mourning months of Muharram and Safar.

The mourning ceremonies for the third Shia Imam culminate on the Day of Ashura which marks martyrdom anniversary of Imam Hussein (AS).

https://en.ifilmtv.ir/News/Content/40217/

We're are currently in the muslim month of Rabi-us-sani (2nd rabi) and the month of mourning (Moharram) is 9 months away.

Yes and I put a date for the article that I referenced. My point was that this was not the first time this flag had been raised as claimed in the twitter post and that usually a black flag being raised is a symbol of mourning.

Perhaps the black flag has been raised again now although I would need more evidence than a photo on twitter that could be from any time.

The folllowing article suggest the flag has been raised as a sign of mourning.

The black flag holds a distinct place in Islamic history and tradition.

Contrary to misrepresented claims over social media, it does not represent a call to arms or conflict.
This shift to black indicates a solemn expression of grief, mourning and solidarity.

In contrast, a red flag symbolizes the pursuit of vengeance.

for instance, The red flag was last raised at the Jamkaran mosque in Qom in response to the assassination of General Soleimani, signifying a call for retribution that has not been fulfilled yet.

https://www.dailyo.in/news/why-has-t...muharram-42020

**Bruce G Charlton** · 18th October 2023 13:42

"What blows my mind is the majority of the world just wants Israel to accept the slaughter of October 7th and move on from it like it never happened. Brush it under the rug so to speak. If a group of thugs went into any other country other than Israel and brutally murdered 1400 civilians, the whole world would be united, in an uproar, and demanding justice at any cost."

@SilentFeathers - Leaving aside 'the majority of the world' - about which we can do nothing (materially speaking) -- is that what you believe happened?

My understanding is that the 'group of thugs' were waved into Israel, by some group inside Israel, at a time and place when the military had been moved away from the area (and maybe civilian partygoers had been moved into the area); then the military were stood down for a few hours before intervening and driving away the incursion.

Whatever happened to Israel; the blame for it must be shared with elements within Israel.

This has very different implications from the way you express the situation. The main different implication, as I see it, is that (as I understand it) the original atrocity was arranged in order to harm All sides in the Middle East (and elsewhere) - and that is exactly what is happening.

**

What blows my mind (!) is that hardly anybody seems to notice that (especially since 2020) the big bad things that have have happened are not arranged for anybody's benefit in particular. No nation or group of nations is gaining by Covid, the Vax, the Rus-NATO war - or this developing situation. The minds ultimately behind these events are not trying to benefit any group - but are trying to inflict the maximum of fear, resentment, misery, death and despair.

So far they have succeeded - not least because they are working invisibly, and nobody even wants to acknowledge their existence; perhaps because few people can understand the motivation of extreme evil: and that is what we are dealing with.

(I mean: We can all understand ruthless self-interest - but when we are instead dealing with evil done for its own sake, without benefitting anybody in particular, or even when oneself is harmed by it... Well, we just don't perceive it. And yet, surely, we have all had such impulses or thoughts at some time or another? I mean sheer spitefulness, schadenfreude, inner gloating at the suffering of another etc. It is seen in some suicides I have encountered: "I'll kill myself, tell him it's his fault; and that will really hurt him. He'll feel guilty for the rest of his life!". That sort of motivation is what is behind this stuff - but on a large scale. )

**norman** · 18th October 2023 13:46

What blows my mind is that the Israeli people can't see what their government and intel agencies have done to them, and revolt against them.

**SilentFeathers** · 18th October 2023 14:08

Posted by Bruce G Charlton (here)
"What blows my mind is the majority of the world just wants Israel to accept the slaughter of October 7th and move on from it like it never happened. Brush it under the rug so to speak. If a group of thugs went into any other country other than Israel and brutally murdered 1400 civilians, the whole world would be united, in an uproar, and demanding justice at any cost."

@SilentFeathers - Leaving aside 'the majority of the world' - about which we can do nothing (materially speaking) -- is that what you believe happened?

My understanding is that the 'group of thugs' were waved into Israel, by some group inside Israel, at a time and place when the military had been moved away from the area (and maybe civilian partygoers had been moved into the area); then the military were stood down for a few hours before intervening and driving away the incursion.

Whatever happened to Israel; the blame for it must be shared with elements within Israel.

This has very different implications from the way you express the situation. The main different implication, as I see it, is that (as I understand it) the original atrocity was arranged in order to harm All sides in the Middle East (and elsewhere) - and that is exactly what is happening.

**

What blows my mind (!) is that hardly anybody seems to notice that (especially since 2020) the big bad things that have have happened are not arranged for anybody's benefit in particular. No nation or group of nations is gaining by Covid, the Vax, the Rus-NATO war - or this developing situation. The minds ultimately behind these events are not trying to benefit any group - but are trying to inflict the maximum of fear, resentment, misery, death and despair.

So far they have succeeded - not least because they are working invisibly, and nobody even wants to acknowledge their existence; perhaps because few people can understand the motivation of extreme evil: and that is what we are dealing with.

(I mean: We can all understand ruthless self-interest - but when we are instead dealing with evil done for its own sake, without benefitting anybody in particular, or even when oneself is harmed by it... Well, we just don't perceive it. And yet, surely, we have all had such impulses or thoughts at some time or another? I mean sheer spitefulness, schadenfreude, inner gloating at the suffering of another etc. It is seen in some suicides I have encountered: "I'll kill myself, tell him it's his fault; and that will really hurt him. He'll feel guilty for the rest of his life!". That sort of motivation is what is behind this stuff - but on a large scale. )

I honestly believe that if the event of October 7th happened in most any other country than Israel, the reactions and events to follow would be playing out completely differently.

That aside, I've made it clear in my other posts that this Oct. 7th event was basically allowed to happen, thus elements within the Israeli gov had to be involved to some degree or another.

I've also made it clear in my other posts that what is happening in Gaza is sickening, I am very far from being one-sided in this whole ordeal. I'm just posting my perspectives from several angles about several developments, I don't claim to be right or know everything, that's for sure.

I do also honestly believe that in the bigger picture of things there are extremely dark and evil aspects going on, bigger than most can even comprehend, including myself.

**PathWalker** · 18th October 2023 14:11

I saw a funny cartoon pic in Hebrew.

One guy asks: Why Blinken seats in the Israeli war cabinet? Does the USG distrust Israel?

The other one replies: Israel is very much like a failing promising startup company. So the investors invest more. But take over control from the failed managing board and retain the professional team. In order to save the company and gain the profits.

Very true.
I strongly believe the deep state took over and Israel state lost its sovereignty long time ago to Israel corporation.

**Bill Ryan** · 18th October 2023 14:16

More.

https://t.me/TheMediterraneanMan/1805
https://t.me/TheMediterraneanMan/1812
https://t.me/ZandVchannel/83915

The texts:

Egypt, Palestine, and Jordan have cancelled the summit with the US in Oman today.
Egyptian officials cancelled their reservations in the hotel, and refused to attend the summit, some state that the "negotiations" are becoming useless and an attempt to buy Israel some time.

Netanyahu tells Biden that "I will never allow Egypt to open the Rafah Border Crossing and I will not let them send their aid."

This is a clear response to the Israeli propaganda argument that there is no crater on the hospital site: the video shows a GBU-32 guided bomb (held by the IDF).

**shaberon** · 18th October 2023 14:49

Posted by Samurai (here)
Again, I apologize if these thoughts have been covered. And please, I am not writing this to inflame opinions, this is just a stripped right back observation.

Yesterday I was pondering the whole situation and had a very simple realisation. Modern “Israel” is a very new nation. It is not the ancient Nation of Israel. It could have been placed anywhere and called anything. At the point of its creation, anywhere in the world would have been gratefully accepted by the Jewish people.

That is correct. The German Final Solution was to send them "wherever". The Zionists heard of this and said "Palestine". Hitler said "No".

You cannot cover this enough, and it is going to inflame opinions, after all we have millions poised to kill right now.

Here's how dumb and deceitful it is:

Isra El

supporter/defender of El

Not Yahweh, not God...Phoenician El. Same as in ancient Canaan.

Who is there now is a mix of Yahwists and atheists.

Nothing but a modern English invention. Nothing else. Perfidious Albion.

Likewise I have a million songs on religious deceit. I was thinking about it and it occurred to me that none of it specifically names Zion or Israel because...you'd be censored. Can't publish it.

I stick these in from time to time because Resistance = Music, from Woody Guthrie to the Celtic Bards. We never had anything else, not in European heritage because it was a One Latin Book "culture", and it was *extraordinarily difficult* to break this mold even slightly. Now that this is out of the way, I can only say we have the same things in China, Turkey, Iraq, at times extolling the praiseworthy, but more frequently a rebuke of oppressors, since this seems to happen, a lot.

Here is a rough live mix because the album had Schmier from Destruction, but I am going to nominate Prika Amaral of Brazil as the New Miss Thing. She has been in Nervosa for years but just took over the vocals and is ten times more powerful than the other singers. Here she is playing with a Greek guitarist and a Bulgarian drummer.

Of course she sounds much better in the studio; new album is called "Jailbreak" and it does not mean a physical one. This was from the previous album, a number that summarizes this very moment.

@ Resurrection Fest 2023

Nervosa

Genocidal Command

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=F47Ov1ryDNE

Eliminate opposition, killing their rights
Crushing everything in the way (Changing the truth)
Ruling with Lies
Build an army to fortify

Scorn
Revenge
No remorse for the kill
Torture
Deceive
We are treated like trash

They are coming

They are genocidal command
Genocidal command
Genocidal command
Genocidal command

Genocidal command
Genocidal command
Genocidal command
Genocidal command

Fascist speech, inspiration divine
Sticking in their mind like a leech (Only care about cash)
Servants of death
Raising a militia of slaves
Scorn
Revеnge
No remorse for thе kill
Torture
Deceive
We are treated like trash

They are coming

They are genocidal command
Genocidal command
Genocidal command
Genocidal command

Genocidal command
Genocidal command
Genocidal command
Genocidal command

Liar
Racist
Scum of humanity

Dictator
Murderer
It's time to combat death
Liar
Dictator
It's time to combat death

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