+ Reply to Thread
Page 36 of 488 FirstFirst 1 26 36 46 86 136 488 LastLast
Results 701 to 720 of 9741

Thread: Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War

  1. Link to Post #701
    Avalon Member Ravenlocke's Avatar
    Join Date
    28th September 2011
    Posts
    21,748
    Thanks
    12,836
    Thanked 191,387 times in 21,751 posts

    Default Re: Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War

    https://x.com/OnlinePalEng/status/1715064149443592537


  2. The Following 18 Users Say Thank You to Ravenlocke For This Post:

    Agape (22nd October 2023), Alekahn2 (21st October 2023), avid (22nd October 2023), Bill Ryan (21st October 2023), ExomatrixTV (21st October 2023), FractalEnergy (22nd October 2023), grapevine (21st October 2023), Gwin Ru (21st October 2023), Inversion (21st October 2023), Michel Leclerc (21st October 2023), Paul D. (21st October 2023), pounamuknight (21st October 2023), Reinhard (21st October 2023), Rizotto (21st October 2023), shaberon (22nd October 2023), The KMan (22nd October 2023), Tintin (21st October 2023), Yoda (21st October 2023)

  3. Link to Post #702
    UK Moderator/Librarian/Administrator Tintin's Avatar
    Join Date
    3rd June 2017
    Location
    Project Avalon library
    Language
    English
    Age
    55
    Posts
    7,453
    Thanks
    84,316
    Thanked 65,705 times in 7,419 posts

    Default Re: Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War

    A reminder....

    Source: https://twitter.com/EvaKBartlett/sta...01554666766493

    Text:
    Cynthia McKinney:

    "During my 1st campaign for Congress, the very 1st thing I was asked to do was to sign a pledge of loyalty to Israel. I refused to do the pledge. I was the 1st to blow the whistle on me being a US citizen having to pledge my allegiance to a foreign country..."
    “If a man does not keep pace with [fall into line with] his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away.” - Thoreau

  4. The Following 26 Users Say Thank You to Tintin For This Post:

    Alecs (22nd October 2023), Alekahn2 (21st October 2023), avid (22nd October 2023), Bill Ryan (21st October 2023), ClearWater (21st October 2023), Dennis Leahy (21st October 2023), Ewan (21st October 2023), ExomatrixTV (21st October 2023), FractalEnergy (22nd October 2023), gini (21st October 2023), gord (21st October 2023), grapevine (21st October 2023), Gwin Ru (21st October 2023), Inversion (21st October 2023), Ivanhoe (21st October 2023), Jamie (21st October 2023), Michel Leclerc (21st October 2023), Paul D. (21st October 2023), pounamuknight (21st October 2023), Reinhard (22nd October 2023), Rizotto (21st October 2023), shaberon (22nd October 2023), tessie999 (21st October 2023), The KMan (21st October 2023), wegge (21st October 2023), Yoda (21st October 2023)

  5. Link to Post #703
    UK Moderator/Librarian/Administrator Tintin's Avatar
    Join Date
    3rd June 2017
    Location
    Project Avalon library
    Language
    English
    Age
    55
    Posts
    7,453
    Thanks
    84,316
    Thanked 65,705 times in 7,419 posts

    Default Re: Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War

    From Abby Martin who has a fair few friends in Gaza:

    Source: https://twitter.com/AbbyMartin/statu...47042368217469

    Text:
    Update from a friend in Gaza: “It seems like they are about to invade. Nowhere is safe, they could hit anywhere at any time. But we cannot do anything. We don’t know if we can live anymore. You hear my young son beside me laughing, he is not aware of our situation. Pray for us.”
    “If a man does not keep pace with [fall into line with] his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away.” - Thoreau

  6. The Following 25 Users Say Thank You to Tintin For This Post:

    Alecs (22nd October 2023), Alekahn2 (21st October 2023), avid (22nd October 2023), Bill Ryan (21st October 2023), Dennis Leahy (21st October 2023), Dorjezigzag (21st October 2023), Ewan (21st October 2023), ExomatrixTV (21st October 2023), FractalEnergy (22nd October 2023), gini (21st October 2023), grapevine (21st October 2023), Gwin Ru (21st October 2023), Inversion (21st October 2023), Jamie (21st October 2023), jaybee (21st October 2023), Michel Leclerc (21st October 2023), pabranno (21st October 2023), Paul D. (21st October 2023), pounamuknight (21st October 2023), Reinhard (22nd October 2023), Rizotto (21st October 2023), shaberon (22nd October 2023), tessie999 (21st October 2023), The KMan (21st October 2023), Yoda (21st October 2023)

  7. Link to Post #704
    Israel Avalon Member PathWalker's Avatar
    Join Date
    27th June 2010
    Location
    Israel
    Age
    60
    Posts
    1,444
    Thanks
    6,805
    Thanked 7,062 times in 1,088 posts

    Default Re: Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War

    Israeli social media and commentators:
    Israel lost its independence and sovereignty for 40 Billion USD this week.

    Pathwalker thinks that it happened 50 years ago in Yom-Kipur war. Israel is the Jewish star in the USA flag.
    We are playing a virtual reality game, of duality. In the game of choices, align your choices with your ideals. Everything is whole, complete and perfect. Even yourself. Love is the power to change/create.

  8. The Following 17 Users Say Thank You to PathWalker For This Post:

    avid (22nd October 2023), Bill Ryan (21st October 2023), Dennis Leahy (21st October 2023), Dorjezigzag (21st October 2023), ExomatrixTV (21st October 2023), FractalEnergy (22nd October 2023), gini (21st October 2023), grapevine (21st October 2023), Gwin Ru (21st October 2023), Inversion (21st October 2023), Michel Leclerc (21st October 2023), pounamuknight (21st October 2023), Rizotto (21st October 2023), shaberon (22nd October 2023), The KMan (21st October 2023), Tintin (21st October 2023), Yoda (21st October 2023)

  9. Link to Post #705
    Israel Avalon Member PathWalker's Avatar
    Join Date
    27th June 2010
    Location
    Israel
    Age
    60
    Posts
    1,444
    Thanks
    6,805
    Thanked 7,062 times in 1,088 posts

    Default Re: Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War

    The Hamas narrative from internal source.


    Sadly enough Hamas narrative is not serving the Palestinian narrative.
    We are playing a virtual reality game, of duality. In the game of choices, align your choices with your ideals. Everything is whole, complete and perfect. Even yourself. Love is the power to change/create.

  10. The Following 19 Users Say Thank You to PathWalker For This Post:

    avid (22nd October 2023), Bill Ryan (21st October 2023), Dennis Leahy (21st October 2023), Ewan (22nd October 2023), ExomatrixTV (21st October 2023), FractalEnergy (22nd October 2023), grapevine (21st October 2023), Gwin Ru (21st October 2023), Inversion (21st October 2023), Michel Leclerc (21st October 2023), Pam (22nd October 2023), pounamuknight (21st October 2023), Reinhard (22nd October 2023), Rizotto (22nd October 2023), shaberon (22nd October 2023), SilentFeathers (21st October 2023), Tintin (21st October 2023), wegge (21st October 2023), Yoda (21st October 2023)

  11. Link to Post #706
    United States Avalon Member Dennis Leahy's Avatar
    Join Date
    14th January 2011
    Location
    North Carolina
    Language
    English
    Age
    71
    Posts
    6,865
    Thanks
    48,684
    Thanked 50,127 times in 5,941 posts

    Default Re: Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War

    This is a brilliant post, for which a click on the thanks button is inadequate. It is worthy of a full quotation rather than a snippet.



    Quote Posted by shaberon (here)
    The western world probably first got this as the theme of Dante's Mirrors.






    They are not many, but they imply self-reflection on each theme or issue that leads to unpleasant destinies.

    He was an anti-papal Ghibilene/White Guelph, constrained to write in symbolism, such as in Inferno:


    And truly was I son of the She-bear, 225

    225 Nicholas III, of the Orsini (the Bears) of Rome, chosen Pope in 1277. “He was the
    first Pope, or one of the first,” says Villani, VII. Ch. 54, “in whose court simony was
    openly practised.”


    It is often held that his whole point is in the parting words of Virgil in Purgatorio XXVII:

    Thee o’er thyself I therefore crown and mitre!


    Which in context is the Templar goal:


    Freedom from being told what to think in the political sphere, and from papal religious authority.


    And it appears the west may still be having difficulty with the mirror.

    Here is a trickle of additional reporting asserting the pipeline was a hit, a little bit different than the base attacks, and ten years later we still have the guy in London posting whatever he wants to say:



    Quote At around the same time as the blast near Conoco, several explosions were heard near the U.S. Green Village base at al-Omar oil fields in the southeastern Deir Ezzor countryside. While some Syrian news sources said that the base came under attack, the SOHR reported that the explosions were the result of live-fire drills by the American troops.

    In the early morning, the Conoco base was targeted with rockets and three suicide drones struck the U.S. garrison in the southeastern Syrian area of al-Tanf. The Al-Arabiya TV reported, citing U.S. officials, that a number of troops in al-Tanf sustained minor injuries.

    The Islamic Resistance in Iraq, a coalition of Iranian-backed armed factions, claimed responsibility for the attacks, saying that they were carried out in response to the Israeli war on the Gaza Strip.
    Oddly, for the pipeline, quite possibly a ground-based bomb:


    No side has claimed responsibility for the attack, yet.



    Concerning the minor aerial attacks, the Iraqi damage reports:


    Quote A civilian contractor working with United States forces at Ayn al-Assad Air Base in the western Iraqi province of al-Anbase died from a cardiac arrest during a “false alarm,” Reuters reported on October 20, citing American officials.

    Ayn al-Assad Air base and al-Harir Air Base in the northern Iraqi Kurdistan region, which also hosts U.S. troops, were both attacked with suicide drones on October 18. The U.S. Central Command said that the attacks were repelled, but acknowledged “minor losses” at Ayn al-Assad.

    On the same day, a rocket attack targeted the U.S. Camp Victory near Baghdad International Airport, Iraqi police said, without providing further details.

    Several U.S. troops were lightly wounded at al-Tanf.

    Financial Times is of course paywalled...but, according to anonymous:



    Quote ...one senior diplomat from a Group of Seven nation told a London-based newspaper earlier this week, the dissonance in Washington’s positions has undermined efforts to win global support for Ukraine and to isolate Russia.

    “We have definitely lost the battle in the Global South,” the diplomat said. “All the work we have done with the Global South [over Ukraine] has been lost . . . Forget about rules, forget about world order. They won’t ever listen to us again.”

    “What we said about Ukraine has to apply to Gaza. Otherwise we lose all our credibility,” the diplomat added. “The Brazilians, the South Africans, the Indonesians: why should they ever believe what we say about human rights?”
    and American lawyer:


    Quote US labor and human rights lawyer, writer and activist Dan Kovalik told Radio Sputnik’s The Critical Hour that in fact, Moscow was never a global pariah, it’s the G7 nations that have isolated themselves from the majority of humanity.

    ...the US looks like a huge hypocrite and that's obvious to the world.”

    However, the hosts noted there was one way the US had been consistent: in both Israel and Ukraine, US President Joe Biden has intervened to shut down potential peace deals championed by Russia and China in favor of keeping the conflicts going.
    “The US does this time and time again,” Kovalik pointed out. “It kills peace in order to keep the wheels of war moving.”

    ...the US will soon stand alone in the world because even now Western Europe is turning on the US, because they see not only the US' hypocrisy, but they now understand what a lot of us have known for a while, and that is that the US’ proxy war in Ukraine against Russia has been as much about undermining Europe as it is undermining Russia,” Kovalik said.

    “So I think the US will find itself to be the pariah country in the world.”
    Only veto to Gazan ceasefires is American.

    As what they call "food for thought", excerpted from Julian MacFarlane:


    Most people are taught that Hitler was advocating the Big Lie, as a way of promoting anti-Semitism. And that he used this technique to promote anti-Semitism in the Reich. That’s choice (b) on your SAT.

    The facts, however, are different.

    Hitler felt that it was the Jews and Marxists who were using the Big Lie technique! And that he was a Truth Teller, countering big lies with a truth campaign, ironically borrowing techniques from Edward Bernays, an American Jew. How very American?


    "Propaganda is the executive arm of the invisible government." -- Edward Bernays

    Let us keep in mind that Bernays coined the term “public relations” as an alternative for “propaganda”. He understood that the two things were identical. Both seek to persuade people to believe things, which may or may not be true. Both must seem credible. Both must appeal to the imagination and emotion, rather than logic.

    The goal is not to inform —but to persuade people to do things they would otherwise not do.

    Ah yes, when somebody tells you something you don’t want to hear – they are lying.

    Where have we heard that before? 10 minutes ago? Isn’t that what the Western mantra about “disinformation” and “misinformation” is all about?

    The greatest exponent of mass mind control was never Hitler – nor Stalin – Nor Mao. In fact, it was not a single person, but a political culture— that of the US, which has taken fascism and propaganda to new levels with unprecedented powers of persuasion which the dictators of the past could only envy.

    Churchill was no less racist than Hitler; he was an old-fashioned imperialist— and like America today—wanted to revive a declining empire. Also like the US, he didn’t like competition.

    He did not care if his policies killed 3 million Indians or hundreds of thousands of civilians across Europe with terror bombings. And at the end of World War II. He wanted to nuke the Russians.

    Since World War II, US empire building worldwide has led to an estimated 30 million deaths – although this number is disputed. It might be 10 million or 20 million – or more than 30 million. The number doesn’t matter. It’s a lot.

    The fact is that the peoples of the West while disavowing intention to kill, do kill. Gratuitously. In fact, they glory in it.

    ‘Turns out I’m really good at killing people”” Barack Obama

    In the end American fascism is in some ways worse than the Nazi version since it is more insidious—and goes on and on and on. It has legs.

    Hitler’s Reich limped. It was primitive and primitivistic. It didn’t last long. The American Reich endures. It is postmodern and sophisticated.

    Germany was one man—Hitler— using a typewriter. Atavistic. America is thousands of people with Ivy League degrees and office 2023 and Windows 12.

    But that invisible Government that Bernays talked about is becoming visible. With inequality. it’s hard to hide a Lamborghini—much less Hunter Biden’s drugs and whores and corruption— or Joe’s dementia.

    Hitler had anti-Semitism. The Western world has Russophobia and Sinophobia. The Israelis have anti-Arabism. There is ultimately no difference. They are all attempts to dehumanize ethnicities. All Big Lies.

    The problem starts very, very young.

    We are brought up to think this way, The media do not so much create as pander to the narratives we learn in the cradle, kindergarten and grade school. Children love stories and picture books. When we get older, we have “narratives” and YouTube.

    Right now, the Big Story is Israel and Hamas’s attack. How much is true? How much is rumor? Was this attack— or counterattack? If you look at the mainstream media, it is impossible to know. Wait until the smoke clears. Search the Internet. Look for contradictions. Assume nothing. There will be lies of all sizes— big and small.

    If you look at the stock market however, you will see that all of the military industrial companies in the US have posted huge gains. Cui bono?



  12. The Following 21 Users Say Thank You to Dennis Leahy For This Post:

    avid (22nd October 2023), Bill Ryan (21st October 2023), Ewan (22nd October 2023), ExomatrixTV (21st October 2023), FractalEnergy (22nd October 2023), gini (22nd October 2023), gord (21st October 2023), grapevine (21st October 2023), Gwin Ru (21st October 2023), Inversion (21st October 2023), Mark (Star Mariner) (23rd October 2023), Michel Leclerc (21st October 2023), misfit312 (22nd October 2023), pounamuknight (21st October 2023), Reinhard (22nd October 2023), shaberon (22nd October 2023), Sue (Ayt) (21st October 2023), The KMan (21st October 2023), Tintin (21st October 2023), Vicus (21st October 2023), Yoda (21st October 2023)

  13. Link to Post #707
    Avalon Member norman's Avatar
    Join Date
    25th March 2010
    Location
    too close to the hot air exhaust
    Age
    69
    Posts
    11,038
    Thanks
    10,948
    Thanked 73,329 times in 10,316 posts

    Default Re: Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War

    U.S. Foreign Aid spend since 1946

    https://t.me/HammerTimeQNews/20610
    ..................................................my first language is TYPO..............................................

  14. The Following 23 Users Say Thank You to norman For This Post:

    Alecs (21st October 2023), avid (22nd October 2023), Bill Ryan (21st October 2023), Dennis Leahy (21st October 2023), Ernie Nemeth (21st October 2023), Ewan (22nd October 2023), ExomatrixTV (22nd October 2023), FractalEnergy (22nd October 2023), gini (22nd October 2023), grapevine (21st October 2023), Gwin Ru (21st October 2023), Inversion (21st October 2023), Mark (Star Mariner) (23rd October 2023), Michel Leclerc (21st October 2023), Paul D. (21st October 2023), pounamuknight (21st October 2023), Reinhard (22nd October 2023), Rizotto (21st October 2023), shaberon (22nd October 2023), The KMan (21st October 2023), Tintin (21st October 2023), Vicus (21st October 2023), Yoda (21st October 2023)

  15. Link to Post #708
    Argentina Avalon Member Vicus's Avatar
    Join Date
    6th October 2020
    Location
    Europa
    Language
    Spanish
    Posts
    3,109
    Thanks
    23,269
    Thanked 29,139 times in 3,092 posts

    Default Re: Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War

    Scott Ritter: Hamas 'Laid Trap' for Israel as US Cannot Replenish Iron Dome Yesterday

    Israel has demanded military aid from the US for its war with the Hamas movement. Former US Marine Corps intelligence officer and UN weapons inspector Scott Ritter pointed out that the Pentagon's cupboard was bare and it was failing to meet recruiting targets.

    The US cannot give Israel the arms it needs for a war with Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran — or even maintain its own forces — says a military veteran.
    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has declared war on the Hamas movement that rules in the besieged Gaza Strip in the wake of the surprise attack by several allied militant groups on October 7.
    The incursion and subsequent skirmishes — including with Lebanese Hezbollah guerrillas on Israel's northern border — has left almost 300 Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) troops dead with 200 more held captive in Gaza. around 1,000 Israeli civilians were also killed. That represents Israel's worst losses since its 1982 invasion of southern Lebanon.
    Tel Aviv has called up some 350,000 IDF reservists and has bombed Gaza for almost two weeks in preparation for a ground offensive, which Economy Minister Nir Barkat said had been given the "green light" on Thursday. But that invasion has yet to materialise.
    Former US Marine and UN weapons inspector Scott Ritter told Sputnik the IDF simply "can't go into Gaza."

    "If they go into Gaza, they will be slaughtered by Hamas who has deliberately set this trap," Ritter stressed. "Hamas is waiting for them to come in. Hamas will kill them in large numbers."

    Along with the risk of heavy casualties in Gaza, Israel is wary of Hezbollah's threat to launch a major attack from the north if the IDF goes in.
    "Israel cannot beat Hezbollah," Ritter argued. "There's a real likelihood that if Hezbollah comes in with everything they have, they will seize northern Israel in its totality, all the way up to the Sea of Galilee. Syria will recapture the Golan Heights, and there isn't anything Israel can do to stop it."

    "Israel has exhausted its Iron Dome. They sent an emergency request to the United States for all of the Iron Dome ammunition we had," Ritter noted. But while "Israel's hoping to get several thousand rounds, maybe 10,000 rounds," all the US could offer was "360-some odd. That's all we have."

    continue:
    https://sputnikglobe.com/20231020/sc...114349099.html

  16. The Following 21 Users Say Thank You to Vicus For This Post:

    Alecs (21st October 2023), avid (22nd October 2023), Bassplayer1 (21st October 2023), Bill Ryan (21st October 2023), Dennis Leahy (21st October 2023), Ernie Nemeth (22nd October 2023), Ewan (22nd October 2023), ExomatrixTV (22nd October 2023), FractalEnergy (22nd October 2023), gini (22nd October 2023), grapevine (21st October 2023), Gwin Ru (21st October 2023), Inversion (21st October 2023), Michel Leclerc (21st October 2023), pounamuknight (21st October 2023), Reinhard (22nd October 2023), Rizotto (22nd October 2023), shaberon (22nd October 2023), The KMan (21st October 2023), Tintin (21st October 2023), Yoda (21st October 2023)

  17. Link to Post #709
    Avalon Member Eva2's Avatar
    Join Date
    31st January 2011
    Posts
    2,968
    Thanks
    11,489
    Thanked 26,429 times in 2,931 posts

    Default Re: Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War

    'Israeli Government official in the heat of the moment says on a TV interview Russia is next'
    https://www.tiktok.com/@syhu961/vide...70865275604257

  18. The Following 21 Users Say Thank You to Eva2 For This Post:

    avid (22nd October 2023), Bassplayer1 (21st October 2023), Bill Ryan (21st October 2023), Dennis Leahy (21st October 2023), Ewan (22nd October 2023), ExomatrixTV (22nd October 2023), FractalEnergy (22nd October 2023), gini (22nd October 2023), grapevine (21st October 2023), Gwin Ru (21st October 2023), Inversion (21st October 2023), LifeAngel (21st October 2023), Michel Leclerc (23rd October 2023), pounamuknight (21st October 2023), Reinhard (22nd October 2023), Rizotto (22nd October 2023), shaberon (22nd October 2023), The KMan (21st October 2023), Tintin (21st October 2023), Vicus (21st October 2023), Yoda (21st October 2023)

  19. Link to Post #710
    United States Avalon Member Dennis Leahy's Avatar
    Join Date
    14th January 2011
    Location
    North Carolina
    Language
    English
    Age
    71
    Posts
    6,865
    Thanks
    48,684
    Thanked 50,127 times in 5,941 posts

    Default Re: Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War

    Quote Posted by Eva2 (here)
    'Israeli Government official in the heat of the moment says on a TV interview Russia is next'
    https://www.tiktok.com/@syhu961/vide...70865275604257
    "Russia, Russia, Russia!" - with an Israeli accent


  20. The Following 17 Users Say Thank You to Dennis Leahy For This Post:

    avid (22nd October 2023), Bassplayer1 (21st October 2023), Bill Ryan (21st October 2023), Ewan (22nd October 2023), ExomatrixTV (22nd October 2023), FractalEnergy (22nd October 2023), gini (22nd October 2023), grapevine (21st October 2023), Inversion (21st October 2023), Michel Leclerc (21st October 2023), pounamuknight (22nd October 2023), Reinhard (22nd October 2023), Rizotto (22nd October 2023), shaberon (22nd October 2023), The KMan (21st October 2023), Tintin (22nd October 2023), Yoda (22nd October 2023)

  21. Link to Post #711
    Avalon Member SilentFeathers's Avatar
    Join Date
    8th May 2012
    Location
    Appalachians/Earth
    Age
    62
    Posts
    4,073
    Thanks
    5,993
    Thanked 27,107 times in 3,849 posts

    Default Re: Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War

    This is rather disturbing on top of everything else....

    China deploys six warships to Middle East over fears Israel crisis could spark WW3
    The Chinese military has deployed its 44th naval escort task force to the Middle East amid rising tensions in Israel.
    Article
    SilentFeathers

    "The journey is now, it begins with today. There are many paths, choose wisely."

  22. The Following 19 Users Say Thank You to SilentFeathers For This Post:

    avid (22nd October 2023), Bassplayer1 (21st October 2023), Bill Ryan (21st October 2023), Dennis Leahy (22nd October 2023), Ewan (22nd October 2023), ExomatrixTV (22nd October 2023), FractalEnergy (22nd October 2023), gini (22nd October 2023), grapevine (21st October 2023), Gwin Ru (21st October 2023), Inversion (21st October 2023), Michel Leclerc (21st October 2023), onawah (21st October 2023), pounamuknight (22nd October 2023), Reinhard (22nd October 2023), Rizotto (22nd October 2023), shaberon (22nd October 2023), Tintin (22nd October 2023), Yoda (22nd October 2023)

  23. Link to Post #712
    UK Avalon Founder Bill Ryan's Avatar
    Join Date
    7th February 2010
    Location
    Ecuador
    Posts
    38,020
    Thanks
    268,402
    Thanked 507,826 times in 36,562 posts

    Default Re: Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War

    From The Moon of Alabama, today:
    Netanyahu's Strategic Dilemma

    Israel is a colonial settler state in permanent conflict with the suppressed natives.

    It thought it could survive in that state, or even extend its settlements, by deterring opposing forces with its superior military.

    Hamas has breached that deterrence myth by inflicting, in one day, more casualties in Israel than it had experienced in any previous wars.

    Natanyahu is under pressure to restore the deterrence, to again provide the Zionists with a feeling of superiority.

    He can not do that.

    Any land attack in Gaza means urban warfare in an already destroyed city with large underground facilities. During the taking of Bakhmut the Wagener forces had in total some 40,000 casualties (dead and wounded). The other side had more than 70,000. What price would the IDF have to pay to 'destroy Hamas'?

    The other factor is of course Hizbullah and other resistance groups, which may well attack Israel from the north and various other directions. Hizbullah has loudly said it would do so should the IDF enter Gaza. It has some 100,000 missiles - more than enough to exhaust Israel's air defenses. Its longest reach missiles can attack any major city within Israel. There have already been daily fire exchanges at the norther border.

    The 2006 war in Lebanon has shown that Hizbullah is dug in and very able to defend itself. It has since gained more experience by fighting ISIS in Syria. Neither U.S. air force attacks nor a land force invasion can hinder Hizbullah from firing its missiles.

    (Syria, as well as Iran, will not intervene in the war unless they are directly attacked.)

    Netanyahu must attack Gaza to restore deterrence. He can not attack Gaza because the urban warfare would cause large Israeli casualties. He can not attack Gaza because Hizbullah would then destroy the myth of the superior settler state even more than Hamas has done so far.

    Israel, with the help of the U.S., has tried to push the population of Gaza into Egypt. From Egypt's standpoint that would be a humanitarian solution, at least as long as others pay for it. But it would cause a serious strategic problem. Resistance by Hamas and others against Israel would continue indefinitely, but Egypt would be held responsible for it. It can not and will not take on that burden.

    Netanyahu's next idea was to starve Gaza. But the world will not let him do that. At least not beyond a certain point. Even the UN Secretary General has visited the Rafah crossing. Other global organizations, like the WHO and ASEAN, have spoken up. Pictures of starving people will make it impossible for the west to support that 'solution'.

    Meanwhile Hamas fighters will continue to sit in their tunnels, ready to defend their land, and likely with enough provisions to hold out for months.

    Israeli settlers, with the support of the IDF, are rampaging through the West Bank. They are killing more Palestinians and further enrage the global public against their deeds. This will escalate.

    Israel's decision making is paralyzed. It will for now continue to talk of a ground invasion but will not launch one. It will also continue to starve Gaza.

    But something will soon break. At any minute there might be a new large atrocity in Gaza or a pogrom in the West Bank. Any miscalculation in the north could launch that front into a hot war. Hizbullah could start to 'preemptively' invade Israeli proper.
    But Israel's Jewish public is still demanding a war of revenge. It still needs the restoration of its deterrence and superiority.

    But what if that turns out to be impossible to achieve?

    Well. Then something else must change.

    As Adam Shatz summarizes in the London Review of Books:

    Vengeful Pathologies (archived)
    The inescapable truth is that Israel cannot extinguish Palestinian resistance by violence, any more than the Palestinians can win an Algerian-style liberation war: Israeli Jews and Palestinian Arabs are stuck with each other, unless Israel, the far stronger party, drives the Palestinians into exile for good. The only thing that can save the people of Israel and Palestine, and prevent another Nakba – a real possibility, while another Holocaust remains a traumatic hallucination – is a political solution that recognises both as equal citizens, and allows them to live in peace and freedom, whether in a single democratic state, two states, or a federation. So long as this solution is avoided, a continuing degradation, and an even greater catastrophe, are all but guaranteed.

  24. The Following 19 Users Say Thank You to Bill Ryan For This Post:

    avid (22nd October 2023), Bassplayer1 (22nd October 2023), Dennis Leahy (22nd October 2023), Ewan (22nd October 2023), ExomatrixTV (22nd October 2023), FractalEnergy (22nd October 2023), gini (22nd October 2023), grapevine (22nd October 2023), Gwin Ru (22nd October 2023), Inversion (22nd October 2023), Michel Leclerc (23rd October 2023), pounamuknight (22nd October 2023), Reinhard (22nd October 2023), Rizotto (22nd October 2023), shaberon (22nd October 2023), SilentFeathers (22nd October 2023), Sunny (23rd October 2023), Tintin (22nd October 2023), Yoda (22nd October 2023)

  25. Link to Post #713
    Netherlands Avalon Member gini's Avatar
    Join Date
    29th January 2016
    Location
    Northern Thailand
    Posts
    1,293
    Thanks
    31,086
    Thanked 10,343 times in 1,277 posts

    Default Re: Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War

    ---21 /10/23-An estimated 150,000 pro-Palestinians marched on Central London today (Oct 21). The Met Police stated 10 people were arrested, some during scuffles at Trafalgar Square, later in the evening, following the conclusion of the rally. The Met also stated that five officers were injured during the protest.
    Last edited by gini; 22nd October 2023 at 02:37.

  26. The Following 15 Users Say Thank You to gini For This Post:

    avid (22nd October 2023), Bassplayer1 (22nd October 2023), Bill Ryan (22nd October 2023), Dennis Leahy (22nd October 2023), Ewan (22nd October 2023), ExomatrixTV (22nd October 2023), grapevine (22nd October 2023), Gwin Ru (22nd October 2023), Michel Leclerc (23rd October 2023), pounamuknight (22nd October 2023), Reinhard (22nd October 2023), Rizotto (22nd October 2023), shaberon (22nd October 2023), Tintin (22nd October 2023), Yoda (22nd October 2023)

  27. Link to Post #714
    Netherlands Avalon Member gini's Avatar
    Join Date
    29th January 2016
    Location
    Northern Thailand
    Posts
    1,293
    Thanks
    31,086
    Thanked 10,343 times in 1,277 posts

    Default Re: Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War

    ----Oct 22, 2023 #FreePalestine #CeasefireNow #Palestine
    Ireland stands proudly with the people of Palestine.

    One of the largest demonstrations of international solidarity that Ireland has ever seen.

    Ceasefire now. End the Siege. -
    Oct 22, 2023
    Thousands of pro-Palestinian supporters rallied outside the US consulate in solidarity for civilians in Gaza. As our Jazan Grewal reports, many of the protestors urged the federal government to call for a ceasefire.
    Last edited by gini; 22nd October 2023 at 02:42.

  28. The Following 17 Users Say Thank You to gini For This Post:

    avid (22nd October 2023), Bassplayer1 (22nd October 2023), Bill Ryan (22nd October 2023), Dennis Leahy (22nd October 2023), Ewan (22nd October 2023), ExomatrixTV (22nd October 2023), FractalEnergy (22nd October 2023), grapevine (22nd October 2023), Gwin Ru (22nd October 2023), Inversion (22nd October 2023), Michel Leclerc (23rd October 2023), pounamuknight (22nd October 2023), Reinhard (22nd October 2023), Rizotto (22nd October 2023), shaberon (22nd October 2023), Tintin (22nd October 2023), Yoda (22nd October 2023)

  29. Link to Post #715
    Netherlands Avalon Member gini's Avatar
    Join Date
    29th January 2016
    Location
    Northern Thailand
    Posts
    1,293
    Thanks
    31,086
    Thanked 10,343 times in 1,277 posts

    Default Re: Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War

    --2 min--Oct 22, 2023 #ABCNews #ABCNewsAustralia
    The streets of Sydney, Brisbane and Perth turned into a sea of green, red, black and white as thousands took part in pro-Palestinian demonstrations.
    In Sydney, attendees stretched from the steps of Town Hall along the tram tracks of George Street in the city's centre, chanting "free free Palestine" and "shame shame Albanese".
    A number of speakers addressed the crowd including representatives from the Indigenous and Palestinian communities, Jenny Leong from the Greens NSW and Michelle Berkon from Jews Against the Occupation.
    The march was given late approval on Friday as NSW Premier Chris Minns promised a "zero tolerance" approach to any violence or hate speech.

  30. The Following 17 Users Say Thank You to gini For This Post:

    avid (22nd October 2023), Bassplayer1 (22nd October 2023), Bill Ryan (22nd October 2023), Dennis Leahy (22nd October 2023), Ewan (22nd October 2023), ExomatrixTV (22nd October 2023), FractalEnergy (22nd October 2023), grapevine (22nd October 2023), Gwin Ru (22nd October 2023), Inversion (22nd October 2023), Michel Leclerc (23rd October 2023), pounamuknight (22nd October 2023), Reinhard (22nd October 2023), Rizotto (22nd October 2023), shaberon (22nd October 2023), Tintin (22nd October 2023), Yoda (22nd October 2023)

  31. Link to Post #716
    United States Avalon Member
    Join Date
    1st April 2016
    Posts
    5,835
    Thanks
    28,903
    Thanked 33,123 times in 5,484 posts

    Default Re: Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War

    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    This is a brilliant post, for which a click on the thanks button is inadequate. It is worthy of a full quotation rather than a snippet.

    Quote Posted by shaberon (here)
    The western world probably first got this as the theme of Dante's Mirrors.


    I am sure you got the "mirrors" metaphor in the subsequent quotes, and the uncanny identity of our current situation with exactly what Dante was allegorizing.


    There was another "mirror" I had in mind using but not much is available about it. This perhaps is what split me off and made me a different kind of reflective, empathic individual than the other kids. Brief anecdote here.

    These days we have a ton of NDE stories, but do they really stem from Robert Monroe?

    No.

    This is something that happened for a friend's birthday party. It was maybe the third or so movie I had ever seen in a theater; we were all very young. And so five or six little kids got tossed into this thing without any adult supervision. Adults used to sponge us off on anything they could, it was a technique, send the kids somewhere, so they could have personal time.

    The catharsis was:

    Beyond And Back is a 1978 documentary released by Sunn Classic Pictures that deals with the subject of near death experiences. This was one of the first movies to explore this subject and pose the question "Is there life after death".


    You can watch it here on Top Documentary Films (which is an interesting site).

    In modern terms, the thing is, of course, very lowly rated because it is so dry and pedantic.

    I, personally, have not emerged from the 70s film making style. I like the slower pace and the fact the camera shot does not cut to a new angle for several minutes sometimes. Very steady. I love the melodrama of Chris Lee and BBC Hammer Horror even though the effects are so cheap they are nearly fake. Films like Suspiria, nearly anything that Dario Argento and the Goblins played in, that sort of thing. Beyond and Back, similarly, is at a technical level of "nothing" like those are.

    One of the stories is about a young mother who attempts suicide in this manner:





    Her NDE is straight to hell where a group of hell denizens hold her face over--I think it was a well--and it was not literally a reflection, but it shows how her death caused suffering to her family members and deleted the future children and good experiences she was supposed to have. Very menacing. In essence, she chose life again and was revived.

    It never left me mentally. Has nothing to do with religion, but, it does have to do with good and evil.

    Death comes, and, when it does, I bet most of those Hamas fighters have a clear conscience--they might not literally get the Thousand Year Paradise, but they will probably generally be rid of ill effects.

    I do not think this will be the case for many others of Israel or Ukraine, for example.

    Slogans and beliefs won't help you. I don't know what it takes to inspire such personal reflection on their part because they are probably literally afraid of that more than anything. And it is just as bad on the civilian side. An ongoing identity crisis, largely from clinging to something false like Zionism. And it seems they would rather zip their head in a bag, than give pause for consideration, ever.

    I don't take two steps without running Dante's entire program, so to speak. I keep doing it, and, yes, it has caused me anguish to have to discard what I think or believe, or what I was doing, but when you have to change something, it takes only a few days and you are over it.

    I believe they are too mentally paralyzed with fear to even try.

    I am not really angry at the opposite camp, but, sad at the failure and choice of evil destiny. It may seem angry to others, since, ultimately the last resort is force, but learning how to not strike out in anger is quintessential for improving one's state of being.

  32. The Following 19 Users Say Thank You to shaberon For This Post:

    avid (22nd October 2023), Bassplayer1 (22nd October 2023), Bill Ryan (22nd October 2023), Brian Miles Kobernuss (22nd October 2023), Dennis Leahy (22nd October 2023), Ewan (22nd October 2023), ExomatrixTV (22nd October 2023), FractalEnergy (22nd October 2023), George (23rd October 2023), gord (22nd October 2023), Gwin Ru (22nd October 2023), Mark (Star Mariner) (23rd October 2023), Michel Leclerc (23rd October 2023), pounamuknight (22nd October 2023), Reinhard (22nd October 2023), Rizotto (22nd October 2023), Tintin (22nd October 2023), Violet3 (22nd October 2023), Yoda (22nd October 2023)

  33. Link to Post #717
    United States Avalon Member Brian Miles Kobernuss's Avatar
    Join Date
    20th November 2022
    Language
    English
    Posts
    10
    Thanks
    306
    Thanked 92 times in 8 posts

    Default Re: Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War

    I feel compelled to express my personal larger picture understanding of this situation.


    The enemy of all good Spirit incarnated as humanity - evil - operates under the modality of parasitism.

    Parasitism employs a very simple, 2 step strategy;
    1) Win the victim's trust while redirecting their threat identification defense to a third party
    2) Betray and feed on the victim's life force
    (3) Repeat)

    At first the parasite gains access to the host's life force.
    Later, when the parasite gains full control of the host, it not only continues to feed on their life force, but is also able to project its will through its host - amplifying its power and reach, and causing that host to itself act as a parasite amongst further potential victims
    This causes the earlier host to appear clearly to the newer victims as if it is, itself, a parasite - when the very real truth is it still the true Spirit it always was, and not at all unworthy of Care.


    For me as this concept relates to the present issue concerning Zionist Israel -
    I see a Matryoshka nesting doll of parasitized groups of true Spirit; the Jewish people are one of those groups nearest to the core of the matter (the core here being the actual, Spirit-less, non-human, parasitic evil).
    One nesting doll just a layer or so out from a subset of the Jewish people - modern-zionist-state-of-israel-jews - would be the Palestinian people, with Hamas being the most successfully parasitized amongst them.

    Always evil tries to portray the battle lines being drawn on one axis, when in fact the true battle line is drawn a full 90 degrees off of that:
    They tried to portray the battle within the english-speaking world as between left and right, when the true line was between top and bottom
    They tried to portray there being a battle between men and women, when truly the line was between human and otherwise
    And here they try to portray the line as being between Israel and Palestine, when truly the line is really the same as always; between the parasite and the True thing that the parasite forever salivates over; us. True Spirit.



    This all comes to mind as I read this thread and see us hemming and hawing about who is forgetting what victim, and I say- forget none of them. They're all victims of this evil that we face. The Palestinian child. The Israeli rave-goer - she was doing all she knew how to do to shout for peace. The Israeli mandate-conscript - how was he not a victim of the same MK Ultra mind control that would have had every one of us believing whatever our own governments told us? The Hamas militant - at 20 and intentionally starved of truth in his city-prison all his life, how was he to know that attacking random Jewish civilians was exactly what the parasite wanted him to do?

    It has come up a couple times with a good friend of mine recently the concept of the Jewish people being highly intellectual but also fairly cold blooded and calculating - and I have been reminded of my study of many recovered MK Ultra women - many of them had truly astonishing capabilities - full recall, remote viewing, various psychic abilities... all the while being fully mentally enslaved. As with many masonic activities, they do all things in a dual form, and MK Ultra is no exception - these ladies are survivors from the covert side of that program, and every one of us is being subjected to the overt side of the same, over the airwaves and through 'kulture'. It seems clear to me that the parasite inside the modern zionist state of israel subjects its population to perhaps the strongest implementation of the overt side of that program that exists on the planet.


    I think that this time we are in is designed for us to best learn the truth of what things are, by learning what it is that they are not.

    When we decide to identify the Hamas extremists, or the Jewish people, or even the zionist modern state of isreal as being the true source of the suffering, then we are doing exactly what the true evil wants.
    Last edited by Brian Miles Kobernuss; 22nd October 2023 at 14:05. Reason: gramma's grammar and a clarion's clarity

  34. The Following 25 Users Say Thank You to Brian Miles Kobernuss For This Post:

    avid (22nd October 2023), Bassplayer1 (22nd October 2023), Ben (22nd October 2023), Bill Ryan (22nd October 2023), Dennis Leahy (22nd October 2023), Ewan (22nd October 2023), ExomatrixTV (22nd October 2023), FractalEnergy (22nd October 2023), George (23rd October 2023), gini (22nd October 2023), gord (22nd October 2023), grapevine (22nd October 2023), Gwin Ru (22nd October 2023), Johan (Keyholder) (22nd October 2023), Mark (Star Mariner) (23rd October 2023), Michel Leclerc (23rd October 2023), pounamuknight (22nd October 2023), Reinhard (22nd October 2023), Rizotto (22nd October 2023), shaberon (22nd October 2023), Sue (Ayt) (23rd October 2023), Tintin (22nd October 2023), Violet3 (22nd October 2023), wegge (22nd October 2023), Yoda (22nd October 2023)

  35. Link to Post #718
    United States Avalon Member
    Join Date
    25th March 2010
    Location
    Northern Michigan
    Age
    63
    Posts
    2,341
    Thanks
    8,876
    Thanked 19,757 times in 2,176 posts

    Default Re: Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War

    Bokeb, your observations from many sides really details just how screwed up one small region can be by living in isolation and carrying on a tradition of hate, violence, and so called justice. Its almost like living in a depressed part of a major city here in America only there isn't rockets and grenades going off or tanks in the streets. But yet it is a way of life all it's own. It has its own idealoligy , it's own ecosystem, and it's own acceptance and non acceptance. I think most of us are praying for a peaceful resolution to all of this, that almost seems non existent from what has taken place already. This is all very sad, so many talented people, people with so much passion, and yet a small sliver of evil so heinous it can destroy that talent and passion mission in 1 hour. Now we wait.

  36. The Following 19 Users Say Thank You to pyrangello For This Post:

    avid (22nd October 2023), Bassplayer1 (22nd October 2023), Bill Ryan (22nd October 2023), Brian Miles Kobernuss (22nd October 2023), Dennis Leahy (22nd October 2023), Ewan (22nd October 2023), ExomatrixTV (22nd October 2023), gord (22nd October 2023), grapevine (22nd October 2023), Gwin Ru (22nd October 2023), Johan (Keyholder) (22nd October 2023), Mark (Star Mariner) (23rd October 2023), Michel Leclerc (23rd October 2023), pounamuknight (22nd October 2023), Reinhard (22nd October 2023), Rizotto (24th October 2023), shaberon (22nd October 2023), Tintin (22nd October 2023), Yoda (22nd October 2023)

  37. Link to Post #719
    UK Avalon Founder Bill Ryan's Avatar
    Join Date
    7th February 2010
    Location
    Ecuador
    Posts
    38,020
    Thanks
    268,402
    Thanked 507,826 times in 36,562 posts

    Default Re: Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War

    There are many more videos of protests around the world than those shared above... really too many to post very easily.

    But here's a 20-second video that's worth seeing. (What I've NOT noticed reported are protests supporting Israel, though there must be some somewhere??)

    The text:
    Israel's Consul General was giving a speech at Harvard Law School, and didn't expect to be met with such an embarrassing scene.

    https://t.me/llordofwar/221489


  38. The Following 26 Users Say Thank You to Bill Ryan For This Post:

    avid (22nd October 2023), Bassplayer1 (22nd October 2023), Brian Miles Kobernuss (22nd October 2023), Dennis Leahy (22nd October 2023), Ewan (22nd October 2023), ExomatrixTV (22nd October 2023), FractalEnergy (22nd October 2023), gini (22nd October 2023), grapevine (22nd October 2023), Gwin Ru (22nd October 2023), Inversion (22nd October 2023), Jeksey (22nd October 2023), kudzy (22nd October 2023), LifeAngel (22nd October 2023), Mark (Star Mariner) (23rd October 2023), Michel Leclerc (23rd October 2023), Paul D. (22nd October 2023), pounamuknight (22nd October 2023), Reinhard (22nd October 2023), Rizotto (24th October 2023), shaberon (23rd October 2023), ThePythonicCow (22nd October 2023), Tintin (22nd October 2023), wegge (22nd October 2023), Yoda (22nd October 2023)

  39. Link to Post #720
    Avalon Member norman's Avatar
    Join Date
    25th March 2010
    Location
    too close to the hot air exhaust
    Age
    69
    Posts
    11,038
    Thanks
    10,948
    Thanked 73,329 times in 10,316 posts

    Default Re: Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    From The Moon of Alabama, today:
    Netanyahu's Strategic Dilemma


    I posted this another thread last week.

    https://twitter.com/LaineyWasi/statu...02380874002937
    ..................................................my first language is TYPO..............................................

  40. The Following 18 Users Say Thank You to norman For This Post:

    avid (22nd October 2023), Bassplayer1 (22nd October 2023), Bill Ryan (22nd October 2023), ClearWater (22nd October 2023), Dennis Leahy (22nd October 2023), ExomatrixTV (22nd October 2023), FractalEnergy (22nd October 2023), gini (22nd October 2023), Gwin Ru (22nd October 2023), Inversion (22nd October 2023), pounamuknight (22nd October 2023), pyrangello (22nd October 2023), Rizotto (24th October 2023), shaberon (23rd October 2023), SilentFeathers (22nd October 2023), Tintin (22nd October 2023), Yoda (22nd October 2023)

+ Reply to Thread
Page 36 of 488 FirstFirst 1 26 36 46 86 136 488 LastLast

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts