Trump is NOT the answer

[DNA]

Posted by Kryztian (here)
Trump caught in his own web of contradictions. The man who "tells it like it is" gets entangled in his own double speak. Is he pro-choice or pro-life? This subject may be his Achillies heel in his upcoming election campaign.

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I haven't listened because personally I just don't care.
The Christian base are great people and their hearts are in the right place.

If the abortion issue was practiced with consideration for the infant and done very timely, like 6 weeks I could understand the option.
But there is a false sympathy with hidden agendas.

Big pharma isn't hyping up the media for later term abortion out of some women's empowerment goal, the objective is to keep raising the age for potential fetus termination right up until birth for the right to harvest organs, blood and marrow.

James O'Keefe showed this to be true in an exposay showing planned parenthood personnel admitting they make tens if not hundreds of thousands off the body parts of late term abortions.

Why isn't the media playing this ad-nausium instead of some lame discrepancy in political rhetoric...

[abmqa]

Posted by DNA (here)

Posted by abmqa (here)

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by abmqa (here)
Perhaps you think it normal for a man to say such things. I'm a man and have never heard any other man say such a thing. I'm retired Air Force, and I can attest that I have heard many misogynist things said about women, but never, "I just grab them by the privates parts.

Well, I am also a man; I played football, wrestled and joined the military strait out of highschool; to this day I know people that talk in that "mannor", I just don't hang out with those people.

Phones are passed around with pictures of females and the question is posed "smash or pass" and these are (as far as I can tell) loving fathers and dedicated husbands.


I think that is a completely seperate topic however, and a complex one (how sex and sexuality is treated in western society, or even how different it is from region to region, California vs South Carolina for example).

Posted by abmqa (here)
See partial transcript below:

Trump: Yeah, that’s her. With the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.

Bush: Whatever you want.

Trump: Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.

Just because Trump says such things doesn't mean consent is given to such treatment, especially a woman who doesn't have a relationship with him.

And if you simply work with the facts available, that does not sound like sexual assault to me.

But I don't pick up and run with every rumor I hear, or at least try my best not to.

Posted by abmqa (here)

"This one point is a great example of why you don't understand how he got elected, and I don't understand how you don't understand "


Seems to me that you are the confused one, or such a Trumpist that you can overlook such criminal behavior in order to justify your ongoing support.

Do a little research...it's all there for us to see.

I agree that's a disturbing list; but not at all what I was referring to. Your taking a historical contextual look with a lot of unsubstantiated testimony (and as of yet, not a single conviction?) which you are taking for granted as "true"; I will not do that.

If you come to my island you can find rumors that I "rescue horses, starve them so I can get good "before" and "after" photos, and then fatten them back up to say I rescued them.

I've been accused more times than I can count that I steal horses.

Being a SUPER MINOR public figure has garnished me AND my family a small list like the above (no sexual harassment stuff, but a **** LOAD of people attempting character assassination due to what ever motivation). And that's not a position most people will ever be in during their life spans.

Do you know what it's like to constantly run into people that know you, know your life, know your wife, your kids, your pets.. and you have no clue who they are? What happens when that obsession slips to the dark side?

I can't imagine what true "celebrityhood" is like after my small taste of it... it's got to be pretty ****ty.

Sexual harassment is a problem and it does happen a lot, so are false rape claims and false sexual harassment claims; I've seen a good amount of both, enough that I need some sort of evidence.

Target,

Quick question for you? Now that Trump was found liable for sexual abuse in the Jean Carroll case, or do you still need more evidence 🤔

Such naivity.
With Epstien and his travel log,
Mkultra whistle blowers telling us about child trafficking and the elite, wikileaks confirming pedophile satanic elite practice, Anthony Weiners laptop with the actual pictures of Hillary performing said actions, hunter Bidens lap top and now Joe Biden himself so addicted to his weirdo pedo behavior that he can't stop inappropriately grabbing at and sniffing children.
If he'll do that in front of cameras????

Reality is indeed ugly.
But you go ahead and trouble yourself over some locker room hypothetical banter from 30 years ago.

DNA,

This question was addressed and aimed specifically at Target. To address a specific statement. Forgive, me if I don't participate with you in what aboutism, it's not that I don't care about the wide spread issues of pedophilia, it's just that I don't care to address it with you. As evident from your unsolicited reply it would be fruitless.

[DNA]

Posted by abmqa (here)

DNA,

This question was addressed and aimed specifically at Target. To address a specific statement. Forgive, me if I don't participate with you in what aboutism, it's not that I don't care about the wide spread issues of pedophilia, it's just that I don't care to address it with you. As evident from your unsolicited reply it would be fruitless.

I love it.
Liberals are always trying to make up rules to enforce when a narrative is slipping out of their control or framework.
You are certainly in keeping with the playbook.

[abmqa]

Posted by DNA (here)

Posted by abmqa (here)

DNA,

This question was addressed and aimed specifically at Target. To address a specific statement. Forgive, me if I don't participate with you in what aboutism, it's not that I don't care about the wide spread issues of pedophilia, it's just that I don't care to address it with you. As evident from your unsolicited reply it would be fruitless.

I love it.
Liberals are always trying to make up rules to enforce when a narrative is slipping out of their control or framework.
You are certainly in keeping with the playbook.

I'm sorry. Do you know me? I'm a Liberal? Your reply gives substantial evidence of why I don't want to engage with you and your two dimensional thinking. Unlike you and your ilk, I'm a well rounded person who is conservative about some issues and liberal on others.

Your assumptions about my naivity puts you at a distinct disadvantage, and makes me think less of you.

Your limited thinking doesn't allow for logical and and reasonable debate, which is why I rather not deal with you.

Pre-judging people is an extremely bad habit and is the cause of many misunderstandings. I prefer to avoid people like you, hopefully you're not too dense to understand that.

Have a good evening.

[DNA]

Posted by abmqa (here)

Posted by DNA (here)

Posted by abmqa (here)

DNA,

This question was addressed and aimed specifically at Target. To address a specific statement. Forgive, me if I don't participate with you in what aboutism, it's not that I don't care about the wide spread issues of pedophilia, it's just that I don't care to address it with you. As evident from your unsolicited reply it would be fruitless.

I love it.
Liberals are always trying to make up rules to enforce when a narrative is slipping out of their control or framework.
You are certainly in keeping with the playbook.

I'm sorry. Do you know me? I'm a Liberal? Your reply gives substantial evidence of why I don't want to engage with you and your two dimensional thinking. Unlike you and your ilk, I'm a well rounded person who is conservative about some issues and liberal on others.

Your assumptions about my naivity puts you at a distinct disadvantage, and makes me think less of you.

Your limited thinking doesn't allow for logical and and reasonable debate, which is why I rather not deal with you.

Pre-judging people is an extremely bad habit and is the cause of many misunderstandings. I prefer to avoid people like you, hopefully you're not too dense to understand that.

Have a good evening.

I apologize for saying you're naive.
I apologize for saying you're a liberal.

Target hasn't posted in about a year.
So I didn't think you were getting an answer there at least not any time soon.

I suppose I did in fact assume you were a liberal but it wasn't like you didn't provide a little supposition to expand on.

You were going back to the 2016 election talking point of orange man bad, he say sexist things in locker room.

In a time when most folks here know Hillary Clinton was running a child trafficking ring out of Haiti with her Clinton Foundation and the Wikileaks dumps from her server that Seth Rich died obtaining, confirmed most of our suspicions about her and the Podestas being pedophiles.

I understand you addressed your message to Target, but this is a public forum and any and all are free to respond to posts as they will.
Although I will continue with, it is a little unfair to judge a man for being a little misogynist when his competitor is participating in the most evil of evil deeds.
In so far as the Hillary vs Trump thing.

So please forgive me.
I'm sorry.
For stating what I stated.
But by all means let us dispense with communication do's and don't's.
I'm certainly not going to try to tell you how to communicate and I'll try to dispense with what amounts to name calling.

Sound good?

Take care
Marcus

[abmqa]

Posted by DNA (here)

Posted by abmqa (here)

Posted by DNA (here)

Posted by abmqa (here)

DNA,

This question was addressed and aimed specifically at Target. To address a specific statement. Forgive, me if I don't participate with you in what aboutism, it's not that I don't care about the wide spread issues of pedophilia, it's just that I don't care to address it with you. As evident from your unsolicited reply it would be fruitless.

I love it.
Liberals are always trying to make up rules to enforce when a narrative is slipping out of their control or framework.
You are certainly in keeping with the playbook.

I'm sorry. Do you know me? I'm a Liberal? Your reply gives substantial evidence of why I don't want to engage with you and your two dimensional thinking. Unlike you and your ilk, I'm a well rounded person who is conservative about some issues and liberal on others.

Your assumptions about my naivity puts you at a distinct disadvantage, and makes me think less of you.

Your limited thinking doesn't allow for logical and and reasonable debate, which is why I rather not deal with you.

Pre-judging people is an extremely bad habit and is the cause of many misunderstandings. I prefer to avoid people like you, hopefully you're not too dense to understand that.

Have a good evening.

I apologize for saying you're naive.
I apologize for saying you're a liberal.

Target hasn't posted in about a year.
So I didn't think you were getting an answer there at least not any time soon.

I suppose I did in fact assume you were a liberal but it wasn't like you didn't provide a little supposition to expand on.

You were going back to the 2016 election talking point of orange man bad, he say sexist things in locker room.

In a time when most folks here know Hillary Clinton was running a child trafficking ring out of Haiti with her Clinton Foundation and the Wikileaks dumps from her server that Seth Rich died obtaining, confirmed most of our suspicions about her and the Podestas being pedophiles.

I understand you addressed your message to Target, but this is a public forum and any and all are free to respond to posts as they will.
Although I will continue with, it is a little unfair to judge a man for being a little misogynist when his competitor is participating in the most evil of evil deeds.
In so far as the Hillary vs Trump thing.

So please forgive me.
I'm sorry.
For stating what I stated.
But by all means let us dispense with communication do's and don't's.
I'm certainly not going to try to tell you how to communicate and I'll try to dispense with what amounts to name calling.

Sound good?

Take care
Marcus

Apology accepted. I apologize for the tone of my reply. Just to be clear, I was curious about Target's opinion, since there was an important update on the situation. Even though I don't agree with his opinion, he was able to articulate it in a sincere and respectful manner that enabled me to understand his position.

As for the Hillary vs Trump thing. I am very conservative when it comes to crime. If someone commits a crime, be it Hillary, Joe, or Hunter, they should be investigated, indicted, if the evidence supports it, and given a fair trial based on the facts.

Of course I realize that there's a huge discrepancy in our justice system. It allows for the rich and powerful elite to escape appropriate punishment. So yeah, there's that.

[Kryztian]

Posted by DNA (here)

Posted by Kryztian (here)
Trump caught in his own web of contradictions. The man who "tells it like it is" gets entangled in his own double speak. Is he pro-choice or pro-life? This subject may be his Achillies heel in his upcoming election campaign.

I haven't listened because personally I just don't care.
The Christian base are great people and their hearts are in the right place.

Marcus, as with my DeSantis post a few days ago which you commented on, I am not trying to promote or demote any issue, just to comment on how the candidates are defining themselves to attract different constituencies by making clear (or making obscure in the case of Trump) their stance on "the issues". In the case of Trump, he has much enthusiastic support from the traditional socially conservative base, which is anti-abortion ("pro-life"), but also has a big following that is not. It is quite difficult to pin down exactly where Trump sits on this issue, but I am guessing, he is libertarian and, like me, feels that the government should do nothing to either promote abortion (like fund Planned Parenthood) or pass laws restricting it, but as with any politician, who knows what there deepest beliefs are. I guess because of his Supreme Court appointments, who tipped the scales to overturn Roe v. Wade, he's built a lot of street cred with the pro lifers.

Although I mentioned that Trump is "caught in his web of contradictions", I have to say I admire his ability to play both sides of the aisle and not get pinned down on some of the issues.

So, these comments are about the horse race of politics, not about who is right or wrong on the issues, but who plays the field best (using these issues) and will get the votes at both the primary level and then in the general election. But I will say one thing about my own personal political choices: if Trump or DeSantis was running in the general election, I would be about a hundred million times more likely to vote for Trump than DeSantis.

[DNA]

Posted by Kryztian (here)

Posted by DNA (here)

Posted by Kryztian (here)
Trump caught in his own web of contradictions. The man who "tells it like it is" gets entangled in his own double speak. Is he pro-choice or pro-life? This subject may be his Achillies heel in his upcoming election campaign.

I haven't listened because personally I just don't care.
The Christian base are great people and their hearts are in the right place.

Marcus, as with my DeSantis post a few days ago which you commented on, I am not trying to promote or demote any issue, just to comment on how the candidates are defining themselves to attract different constituencies by making clear (or making obscure in the case of Trump) their stance on "the issues". In the case of Trump, he has much enthusiastic support from the traditional socially conservative base, which is anti-abortion ("pro-life"), but also has a big following that is not. It is quite difficult to pin down exactly where Trump sits on this issue, but I am guessing, he is libertarian and, like me, feels that the government should do nothing to either promote abortion (like fund Planned Parenthood) or pass laws restricting it, but as with any politician, who knows what there deepest beliefs are. I guess because of his Supreme Court appointments, who tipped the scales to overturn Roe v. Wade, he's built a lot of street cred with the pro lifers.

Although I mentioned that Trump is "caught in his web of contradictions", I have to say I admire his ability to play both sides of the aisle and not get pinned down on some of the issues.

So, these comments are about the horse race of politics, not about who is right or wrong on the issues, but who plays the field best (using these issues) and will get the votes at both the primary level and then in the general election. But I will say one thing about my own personal political choices: if Trump or DeSantis was running in the general election, I would be about a hundred million times more likely to vote for Trump than DeSantis.

I've read your thread on DeSantis.
It's very good.
It was an eye opener for me.
Took the wind out of my sails.
I was really hoping DeSantis would be another good option.
He is not.
Thank you for that.

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I know I get a little touchy on this subject.
It's just I hear the critics of Trump since the beginning and I pull my hair out with the unfair standards he has to be subjected to.

[abmqa]

Posted by DNA (here)

Posted by Kryztian (here)

Posted by DNA (here)

Posted by Kryztian (here)
Trump caught in his own web of contradictions. The man who "tells it like it is" gets entangled in his own double speak. Is he pro-choice or pro-life? This subject may be his Achillies heel in his upcoming election campaign.

I haven't listened because personally I just don't care.
The Christian base are great people and their hearts are in the right place.

Marcus, as with my DeSantis post a few days ago which you commented on, I am not trying to promote or demote any issue, just to comment on how the candidates are defining themselves to attract different constituencies by making clear (or making obscure in the case of Trump) their stance on "the issues". In the case of Trump, he has much enthusiastic support from the traditional socially conservative base, which is anti-abortion ("pro-life"), but also has a big following that is not. It is quite difficult to pin down exactly where Trump sits on this issue, but I am guessing, he is libertarian and, like me, feels that the government should do nothing to either promote abortion (like fund Planned Parenthood) or pass laws restricting it, but as with any politician, who knows what there deepest beliefs are. I guess because of his Supreme Court appointments, who tipped the scales to overturn Roe v. Wade, he's built a lot of street cred with the pro lifers.

Although I mentioned that Trump is "caught in his web of contradictions", I have to say I admire his ability to play both sides of the aisle and not get pinned down on some of the issues.

So, these comments are about the horse race of politics, not about who is right or wrong on the issues, but who plays the field best (using these issues) and will get the votes at both the primary level and then in the general election. But I will say one thing about my own personal political choices: if Trump or DeSantis was running in the general election, I would be about a hundred million times more likely to vote for Trump than DeSantis.

I've read your thread on DeSantis.
It's very good.
It was an eye opener for me.
Took the wind out of my sails.
I was really hoping DeSantis would be another good option.
He is not.
Thank you for that.

If we're talking strategic politics, the RNC would benefit more from running DeSantis. Trump's popularity with his base, despite his numerous legal issues, may cause them to run him. If they were to think strategically, they would run DeSantis instead because if DeSantis wins, they may get 8 years of a GOP presidency, instead of being limited to Trump's one term eligibility.

It's something that the GOP has probably already considered. Interesting to see how it plays out.

I can see Trump running, as an independent, if the RNC doesn't support him. It appears atm that he's popular enough to run without them. Of, course this is a moot point, if his legal issues prevent him from running.

[DNA]

Posted by abmqa (here)

If we're talking strategic politics, the RNC would benefit more from running DeSantis. Trump's popularity with his base, despite his numerous legal issues, may cause them to run him. If they were to think strategically, they would run DeSantis instead because if DeSantis wins, they may get 8 years of a GOP presidency, instead of being limited to Trump's one term eligibility.

It's something that the GOP has probably already considered. Interesting to see how it plays out.

I can see Trump running, as an independent, if the RNC doesn't support him. It appears atm that he's popular enough to run without them. Of, course this is a moot point, if his legal issues prevent him from running.

I would give Kryztian's thread a look.
It changed my mind on DeSantis.
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1529728

[abmqa]

Ok will do.

[mountain_jim]

replying here, where your views and this discussion really belongs

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
Democrats mock Trump for superfluous crap like personality and looks (orange man, hair, etc.) It's really stupid as a campaign tactic, and just shows how shallow they are. Mocking Biden for his obvious state of extreme mental decline/dementia is also stupid as a campaign tactic.

I grew up with the Three Stooges and other slapstick lowbrow comedy, and maybe embarrassingly to myself, I laugh at stuff like the Presidential Olympics "skit" shown above, reminiscent of Mystery Science Theater 3000 voiceovers. There's plenty of substance - terrible policy - of the Biden cabal to mock and deride, but unfortunately, Biden took the baton from Trump on Venezuela, Syria, Libya, Israel, Ukraine, Russia, Iran and to a large extent China, Covid jabs, Assange, support for globalist corporations, support for the security state, support for an overwhelming military-industrial complex budget, hiding Epstein's enmeshment with high-ranking politician and financial elite pedophiles, Big Banking, Big Agriculture... and is running with it, just like Trump did from Obama. So, Trump has a very limited cluster of domestic policy differences (open border, and trans-men in women's sports) to really highlight as differences between he and Biden, and so he and his supporters retaliate by going after the low-hanging fruit of Biden's mental and physical state.

Project Avalon, it seems to me, it literally one of the very last places on the Internet where topics can be openly discussed, and with all presidential contenders and high office holders and appointees supporting the intelligence-security state, Avalon's future looks bleak to me. In the time that we do have left to speak freely to members and the real visitors (that are not just a DoS attack), I think we would be wise to up our game, exponentially, and call out the horsesh!t that passes for political discussion in virtually every other venue on the Internet. This thread is the only active thread about Trump on Avalon, and thus represents what Avalon wants to pump into the zeitgeist about Trump. Trump as a troll is one thing, but the pretense that Trump is somehow good presidential material and holy and a good man and supports the common man and knows how to unplug the Deep State, is really more the tone of this thread. If it wasn't for that sycophantic tone, I probably wouldn't have bothered to address the Trump topic in this thread.

I do think the 2020 election was stolen, the indictments are bullsh!t, and it is true that the Democrat cabal and the corporate media the DNC cabal vastly dominates, that I call the "mainscream media", have and will continue to harass, harangue, and hamstring Trump (and will continue to do so when Trump is in office again, as I suspect he will be.) Trump says crap like Ukraine and Israel would not have happened if he was president, even though he was directly involved in exacerbating both. He is sort of trolling himself, or at least providing ammunition for the Democrat cabal to pillory him as a bloviating gasbag.

Is the USA really a big pirate ship, and is America "greater" with a thousand military bases and black prisons and torture centers around the globe, performing terrorism, placing sanctions (1st phase war) on all nations that do not obey, trying to somehow militarily compensate for the international piracy that was the petrodollar, undermining elections globally, and supporting the takeover of control by the Global Corporate Network and WEF while obliterating citizen's rights and human rights and sacrificing the environment? If yes, then, what the hell, continue the Trump Adoration Syndrome, and from 2024 to 2028, yell at the Democrat cabal for Trump's actions and ineffectiveness in office, and say that Trump could do no better or he would have been assassinated.

I think we would be wise to up our game, exponentially, and call out the horsesh!t that passes for political discussion in virtually every other venue on the Internet.

I would say your post includes some (questionable views?) as well - like accusing Trump of

Trump says crap like Ukraine and Israel would not have happened if he was president, even though he was directly involved in exacerbating both.

Trump got impeached trying to question what happened in 2014 in Ukraine, and Biden's corruption there, by those with their fingers in the corruption pie, and with Biolabs to cover up.

The planet was much more stable war-wise during his term than now.

on Israel your point is stronger, but bottom line neither Russia, China, nor Hamas were going to war while he was in 'power'. And he may have settled North Korea down a good bit as well.

This thread is the only active thread about Trump on Avalon, and thus represents what Avalon wants to pump into the zeitgeist about Trump.

That's because Trump successfully trolls daily, and your views are consistent and so need more agreement/argument in posts from others to pick up the pace, and get THIS thread on the Avalon active list.

the pretense that Trump is somehow good presidential material and holy and a good man and supports the common man and knows how to unplug the Deep State, is really more the tone of this thread. If it wasn't for that sycophantic tone, I probably wouldn't have bothered to address the Trump topic in this thread.

"That's just like, your opinion, man" (The Dude)

Good presidential material? Propose someone who is, given the state of the US and the globalists today?

I have had hopes for RFK Jr and Tulsi, but they have warts as well.

I have trouble imagining who else would have stood up to this persecution as well as Trump, and keep on ticking and exposing the systemic rot in the US. Others have pointed out his nationalistic focus, and I say that was and is much better for the common man than the broken economy and active wars today.

Is the USA really a big pirate ship, and is America "greater" with a thousand military bases and black prisons and torture centers around the globe, performing terrorism, placing sanctions (1st phase war) on all nations that do not obey, trying to somehow militarily compensate for the international piracy that was the petrodollar, undermining elections globally, and supporting the takeover of control by the Global Corporate Network and WEF while obliterating citizen's rights and human rights and sacrificing the environment? If yes, then, what the hell, continue the Trump Adoration Syndrome

JFK was trying to reign in the corrupt, powerful, CIA, and the Military Industrial Intelligence Complex owns the government via bribes and blackmail pretty much.

It just seems to me you are triggered by us enjoying the small victories of corruption exposure that Trump has caused, while we retain some hope that all this leads to an Awakening in folks sufficient to result in a better world, while realizing that things may be getting so bad that no president or leader can change much at this point.

(and I realize there are contributors here at Avalon that are much more positive about a future with Trump than I am - but that thread is where that belongs it seems to me.)

In which case it will be up to each of us internally to raise our consciousness, purify ourselves, continue to try and bring Truth to others ( as you did well here concerning the long-term darkness that is US power in the world, just in the wrong thread in my view.)

from 2024 to 2028, yell at the Democrat cabal for Trump's actions and ineffectiveness in office, and say that Trump could do no better or he would have been assassinated

I suspect things have gone too far for that - whatever happens after 2024 will look nothing like past or recent politics as usual, in my view. I say all prepare accordingly.

Things are reaching a critical level of novelty and planetary danger for Humanity and Trump appears to continue to be a catalyst in THE US portion of this, though NOT THE ANSWER by any means.

If you have any ANSWERs as to how we help fix all this from our Avalon posts or our heart emanations, I welcome hearing them - just calling out the evil US Empire and Trump's poor performance last time around (relative to our ideals) does not seem to me to be much help.

[onawah]

Both sides...

Posted by onawah (here)
I can see both sides of the argument here-- it's not cool to derail a thread, but sometimes it takes some constructive criticism just to keep things real on the forum.
It's good to keep a sense of humor in these trying times, but there is something of a lack when it comes to a down-to-earth discussion about Trump and the coming election (though we seem to be keeping up with the breaking news, at least).
Perhaps it's just too incomprehensible to get a good grip on.
The Q thread set the very ungrounded stage for that lack, as there was such an excess of it, and it was so much more of a distraction than what actually needed focus.
The situation surrounding the 2024 election has become critical, and if Avalon is to be considered a forum that actually matters and might have some influence, it would probably be a good idea to jettison some of the :entertainment".
( I would include in that category the Kim Goguen thread:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...ght=kim+goguen
... and note that it's also actually somewhat criminal to post those "news" updates here; see: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...ght=kim+goguen)...
... and consider it might be better to focus more on what is essential.
Our ability to focus is something that is actually being attacked by TPTB, from fluoride to nanobots and snake venom in Clot Shots to 5G to planned false flag events featuring UFO holograms to terrify the populace.
To maintain focus at all will be an ongoing challenge.
For more about why that is and why we all here need to act more like grownups, see: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1582136
...which features this video:

Source: https://www.rumble.com/video/v3evsf4/?pub=ijro7

[norman]

Posted by onawah (here)

The Q thread set the very ungrounded stage for that lack, as there was such an excess of it, and it was so much more of a distraction than what actually needed focus.
The situation surrounding the 2024 election has become critical, and if Avalon is to be considered a forum that actually matters and might have some influence, it would probably be a good idea to jettison some of the :entertainment".

It was Q who said "we're saving Israel for last"

The US political machinery is not equipped to solve a problem that originates globally. The global movement that "Q" represents in the US is getting a job done. That job IS WW3, we're in it and have been for several years. It's war to end a 6,000 year old death cult grip on humanity.

It's not a run-of-the-mill Khazarian engineered war. To borrow a line from Al Gore "An Inconvenient Truth", we have to 'deserve' to win this war, and if we are still running on satanic/ba'alist fuel, we don't, and may even be part of the ranks of the enemy's well distributed vipers in the grass, without awareness to realise we are.

[onawah]

I think the point is that the amount of chaos the Q thread created on the forum was over the top and out of bounds, and went on for much too long.
There were many untruths that were spread from those who were claiming to be Q, but that was just one unsettling factor.
I doubt very much that many were unaware that Israel would be "saved for last", since anyone who reads and understands the Bible even at a rudimentary level would have surmised that much-- that the Satanic cabal would be creating a culmination of evil, evil which they have been inflicting on the planet for centuries.
Personally, I can't help but find it absurd that anyone other than the prophets themselves would claim to be the source of that prescient knowledge.

Posted by norman (here)

Posted by onawah (here)

The Q thread set the very ungrounded stage for that lack, as there was such an excess of it, and it was so much more of a distraction than what actually needed focus.
The situation surrounding the 2024 election has become critical, and if Avalon is to be considered a forum that actually matters and might have some influence, it would probably be a good idea to jettison some of the :entertainment".

It was Q who said "we're saving Israel for last"

The US political machinery is not equipped to solve a problem that originates globally. The global movement that "Q" represents in the US is getting a job done. That job IS WW3, we're in it and have been for several years. It's war to end a 6,000 year old death cult grip on humanity.

It's not a run-of-the-mill Khazarian engineered war. To borrow a line from Al Gore "An Inconvenient Truth", we have to 'deserve' to win this war, and if we are still running on satanic/ba'alist fuel, we don't, and may even be part of the ranks of the enemy's well distributed vipers in the grass, without awareness to realise we are.

[gini]

Q -not the anons or so called Qanons-was mainly giving just hints and was a strong push for deep research and challenging the status quo and creating a lot of upheavel -including here on PA !-

But the bottomline is that these were all just curious drops of info ,the effect was that many of the reactions on this info in the main & alternative media exposed who is who & who is where in the 'awakening' process of decades (if not centuries!) of deception.

I assumed that here on PA there were no hard feelings anymore about the 'Q' movement and that it is generally appreciated that PA basically chronicled this historic 'Q' event wich had & still has a lasting impact on global politics.

[onawah]

the biggest secret the government doesn't want you to know-douglas vogt

Posted by onawah (here)
the biggest secret the government doesn't want you to know-douglas vogt
i had forgotten about this, but it's even better listening in retrospect, as there is information in this video starting around 40 minutes in ( though i recommend listening to the entire interview) that gives evidence about trump's insider knowledge and what he tried to do about the government keeping secrets pertaining to the 12,000 year solar micronova cycles and the resulting cataclysms.
It's understandable why trump met with so much resistance.
Let's hope he does better next time if/when (and i think he will) he gets the chance.

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Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=e7_tKiggSzE

Posted by gini (here)
Q -not the anons or so called Qanons-was mainly giving just hints and was a strong push for deep research and challenging the status quo and creating a lot of upheavel -including here on PA !-

But the bottomline is that these were all just curious drops of info ,the effect was that many of the reactions on this info in the main & alternative media exposed who is who & who is where in the 'awakening' process of decades (if not centuries!) of deception.

I assumed that here on PA there were no hard feelings anymore about the 'Q' movement and that it is generally appreciated that PA basically chronicled this historic 'Q' event wich had & still has a lasting impact on global politics.

I don't know about anyone else, but I nearly unsubscribed during the Q blitz, deciding instead to go on sabbatical. I prefer my information to be precise and verifiable to save time and effort. That was hardly a characteristic of the Q thread.

A change that I would like to see is more people contacting Trump's team and informing them that many are quite aware of these secret agendas, with full details of just what they are and how they need to be dealt with.
Trump has a big ego which doesn't need inflating.
What he is lacking is the kind of support that demands the best of him, not theatrics.

[Dennis Leahy]

There is an NBC News, Meet The Press, titled, "Full Trump Interview :I don't consider us to have much of a", which is an hour and 18 minutes long. There's your guy, handling this pushy partisan interviewer very well (even though his answers to her "have you stopped beating your wife"-style of interview are somewhat vacuous and jingoistic, and deflecting blame to Biden rather than expounding what he would do differently.) If you want examples of Trump's great trolling, here's more than an hour of footage.

Don't you see that Trump mocking Biden for dementia (mental handicap) and confusion (mental handicap) is just exactly as low as the Democrats coming after Trump's appearance, personality, and style? Don't you think this behavior could backfire on Trump? A good part of me being convinced that Trump will win is that the Democrats have made him a martyr. Political money in the bank. How can you think that Trump isn't negating some or all of his image as a persecuted martyr if he's using the tactic of mocking the dementia patient face of the Democrat cabal?

Trolling reporters works and makes Trump look clever; trolling the dementia patient doesn't.

[Raskolnikov]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
There is an NBC News, Meet The Press, titled, "Full Trump Interview :I don't consider us to have much of a", which is an hour and 18 minutes long. There's your guy, handling this pushy partisan interviewer very well (even though his answers to her "have you stopped beating your wife"-style of interview are somewhat vacuous and jingoistic, and deflecting blame to Biden rather than expounding what he would do differently.) If you want examples of Trump's great trolling, here's more than an hour of footage.

Don't you see that Trump mocking Biden for dementia (mental handicap) and confusion (mental handicap) is just exactly as low as the Democrats coming after Trump's appearance, personality, and style? Don't you think this behavior could backfire on Trump? A good part of me being convinced that Trump will win is that the Democrats have made him a martyr. Political money in the bank. How can you think that Trump isn't negating some or all of his image as a persecuted martyr if he's using the tactic of mocking the dementia patient face of the Democrat cabal?

Trolling reporters works and makes Trump look clever; trolling the dementia patient doesn't.

Quick note: It's not Joe Biden anymore. He's literally a puppet for those trying to overthrow America and exterminate humanity. The original Biden was a pedophile monster and outrageous liar. I understand attempting a more refined approach and trying to maintain the moral highground through decorum but at this point in the game the gloves are off - troll the hell out of these parasites. Because, honestly, what the hell is this?


Source: https://www.bitchute.com/video/LXeKWJffkeLt

[T Smith]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)

Don't you see that Trump mocking Biden for dementia (mental handicap) and confusion (mental handicap) is just exactly as low as the Democrats coming after Trump's appearance, personality, and style? Don't you think this behavior could backfire on Trump? A good part of me being convinced that Trump will win is that the Democrats have made him a martyr. Political money in the bank. How can you think that Trump isn't negating some or all of his image as a persecuted martyr if he's using the tactic of mocking the dementia patient face of the Democrat cabal?

Trolling reporters works and makes Trump look clever; trolling the dementia patient doesn't.

This seems more a social commentary on politics in general than whether it will backfire--although it could backfire, but why would it? Trump has found a style that works extremely well for him in a very hostile arena (in this case past performance is indicative of future gains). He has found a way of enduring the onslaught that would have destroyed anyone else challenging the Uniparty in a more direct way (think Ron Paul/Tulsi Gabbard/ RFK Jr., etc). And he's exploiting it. Unfortunately the latter style just doesn't capture the attention of the public. And it's very easy to defeat with weaponized propaganda. Trump is attacking the "bad guys" by any and all means, including the weaponized propaganda juggernaut. To all who support him, this makes him a sort of David to the establishment's Goliath. Isn't that just politics?

I understand that the style is distasteful to some. Especially to a demographic that doesn't see Trump's trolling victims as the "bad guys". Couple that with the most concerted agitprop campaign waged against one person (and the divide in general) I've ever seen in my lifetime--a program of outright mind control--and you have this thing called Trump Derangement Syndrome afflicting a full 40% of the population.

I'm not convinced being a martyr equates to a Donald Trump victory in 2024. That assumes elections are real, that votes matter, and the entire psyop is not just theater. If the Uniparty got away with the Big Steal in 2020--a heist carried out in the broad daylight and right before our very eyes--and as they continue to get away with incessantly gaslighting the public that said heist never occurred, why would any votes matter at all? This whole 2024 election talk confuses me. There appears to be no remedy, legal or otherwise, to a stolen election--short of a Revolution--least of all another election.