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    Default Re: Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War

    From Lee Fang and Glenn Greenwald: between 40 and 50 congressmen have evangelical beliefs about Isreal based on the Book of Revelation in the Bible. They put their faith and interpretation of Biblical scripture ahead of concerns about peace, security and human rights in hopes that their pushing towards a situation of nuclear war will bring about Jesus's second coming.


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    Wow...so much talk, the volume of media analysis has spiked to record heights here, alternative media has genuinely gained significant traction and for the first time in over 40 years we have true multiple discourse and challenges to mainstream, corporate news sausage factories. What I might say, or not is going to have precisely ZERO impact, I am not here to persuade you, or argue with you: I generally respond to what I see/hear and attempt to share with selected people how I see it; build a perspective which I keep open and available for editing/changing.
    As Scott Ritter so eloquently suggests: Israel has lost the PR battle here, if they pursue killing civilians in the way they are doing presently, and seem to be planning to do more of, they will not only lose this battle, it could lead to Armageddon for the whole world, and this appears to be what the deranged Obama - led administration wants! Israel could be the 'good guys' here and totally remove Hamas's advantage, allow humanitarian aid, call for negotiations, instead they are flexing, trying to be tough and seek revenge.
    Scott has called it, Douglas Macgregor has called it, these two along with The Duran team, Russell Brand(!), Trigonometry team, RT, Steve Bannon, Alex Jones & team and a few others are all we have as voices of sanity. God bless us all, I wish peace and prosperity to all.

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    Quote Posted by Kryztian (here)
    From Lee Fang and Glenn Greenwald: between 40 and 50 congressmen have evangelical beliefs about Isreal based on the Book of Revelation in the Bible. They put their faith and interpretation of Biblical scripture ahead of concerns about peace, security and human rights in hopes that their pushing towards a situation of nuclear war will bring about Jesus's second coming.



    This and the president is the impossible Catholic Zionist. The Pope himself told Herzl to his face "sorry I can't help you".


    2021:


    Nearly nine-in-ten members of Congress identify as Christian (88%), compared with two-thirds of the general public (65%).

    Over the last several Congresses, there has been a marked increase in the share of members who identify themselves simply as Protestants or as Christians without further specifying a denomination. There are now 96 members of Congress in this category (18%).

    Jewish members also make up a larger share of Congress than they do of the general public (6% vs. 2%).

    2023 is similar but adding a Messianic Jew.






    "Restoration" may describe the Puritans, and may mean restoration of Jews in Palestine, depending on who's saying it.

    Some Anglican Brits don't go for it, but, the U. S. is Zionist from the beginnings of Yale and Harvard Universities and second president John Adams.

    I must admit I have spent a lifetime on the receiving end of denigrations from such folk, and, in the past few months, I have gotten a better look at what is under the hood.

    It's totally pathetic.

    On this, the Pope was merely repeating the Council of Ephesus. That is how long it has been established as an anti-Christian belief.

    On the British Isles you could at least fight and argue about it, but, here, it is kind of a default unless you have some other influence. The actual peak of the Protestants in Congress was 91% in 1970, right there along with Billy Graham's Crusade at Madison Square Gardens NYC, 1969. Maybe that is why Martin Luther King believed it.

    You are right, this whole thing goes on because of what a few English speakers think about the Bible.

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    I believe the idea of explaining powerful people's behaviour in the modern West and among contemporary Globalists in terms of their religion is a complete red herring.

    Religion has not been a primary motivator in the West for several decades.

    The religion (of whatever church or denomination) is continuously being 'updated' to track the imperatives of mainstream materialist totalitarian politics, and stay on the safe side of whatever Establishment core agenda happens to be active at the moment.

    In 2020 all the major churches (of all denominations), all over the world, closed themselves - willingly, without objecting - enthusiastically, and for many months (and without knowing the end point) ceased their previously mandatory ministrations, meetings, sacraments, communal prayers, baptisms, funerals, etc etc. Against all religious traditions, and in-line with political instructions.

    We live in a world where, for the first time in human history, religion has (for the most powerful people) been abolished, and for the rest, reduced to an optional-lifestyle status.

    It would be more valid to seek reasons for current mainstream global/ Western geopolitics in the lack of religion, than to explain politics in terms of being driven-by religion.

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    Quote Posted by Bruce G Charlton (here)
    I believe the idea of explaining powerful people's behaviour in the modern West and among contemporary Globalists in terms of their religion is a complete red herring.

    Religion has not been a primary motivator in the West for several decades.

    The religion (of whatever church or denomination) is continuously being 'updated' to track the imperatives of mainstream materialist totalitarian politics, and stay on the safe side of whatever Establishment core agenda happens to be active at the moment.

    In 2020 all the major churches (of all denominations), all over the world, closed themselves - willingly, without objecting - enthusiastically, and for many months (and without knowing the end point) ceased their previously mandatory ministrations, meetings, sacraments, communal prayers, baptisms, funerals, etc etc. Against all religious traditions, and in-line with political instructions.

    We live in a world where, for the first time in human history, religion has (for the most powerful people) been abolished, and for the rest, reduced to an optional-lifestyle status.

    It would be more valid to seek reasons for current mainstream global/ Western geopolitics in the lack of religion, than to explain politics in terms of being driven-by religion.


    Absolutely spot on
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    Quote Posted by Kryztian (here)
    From Lee Fang and Glenn Greenwald: between 40 and 50 congressmen have evangelical beliefs about Isreal based on the Book of Revelation in the Bible. They put their faith and interpretation of Biblical scripture ahead of concerns about peace, security and human rights in hopes that their pushing towards a situation of nuclear war will bring about Jesus's second coming.


    (11 minutes)

    In James Redfield's "The Twelfth Insight:The Hour of Decision", Judaism, Christianity and Islam, were all competing to force their individual "Savior" to come eradicate the other sect.

    The Twelfth Insight

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    Quote Posted by Kryztian (here)
    From Lee Fang and Glenn Greenwald: between 40 and 50 congressmen have evangelical beliefs about Isreal based on the Book of Revelation in the Bible. They put their faith and interpretation of Biblical scripture ahead of concerns about peace, security and human rights in hopes that their pushing towards a situation of nuclear war will bring about Jesus's second coming.


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    In James Redfield's "The Twelfth Insight:The Hour of Decision", Judaism, Christianity and Islam, were all competing to force their individual "Savior" to come eradicate the other sect.

    The Twelfth Insight

    The globalist/far left ideology is the new religion, you either assimilate to it or be cancelled. The globalists will likely soon put a face to this ideology and claim it's the "Savior" to all the world's religions. The Israel/Gaza situation is phase 1 to ushering in this Savior. The upcoming great war, some gigantic event likely using some AI tricks to usher in the savior, will cause many of the worlds religions to believe this new face/savior/peacemaker is real thing. Instead of being cancelled if you don't assimilate, you'll be snuffed out of existence.

    It's a win win for the globalists, prophecy fulfilled and complete control....

    (me just speculating of course)
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    Quote Posted by Bruce G Charlton (here)
    I believe the idea of explaining powerful people's behaviour in the modern West and among contemporary Globalists in terms of their religion is a complete red herring.

    Religion has not been a primary motivator in the West for several decades.

    The religion (of whatever church or denomination) is continuously being 'updated' to track the imperatives of mainstream materialist totalitarian politics, and stay on the safe side of whatever Establishment core agenda happens to be active at the moment.


    For example when George Bush claimed God told him to invade Iraq, that was irrelevant?

    "Contemporary Globalists" are already defined by Zionism, Germany and Russia = The Enemy. It is true that it is simply indistinguishable from British Imperialism at that point, or, let us say, it was a small new idea in 1730 announced as state policy in 1830.

    I would have to say religion is a *huge* motivating factor, at the very least in terms of public support for the imperial actions. That means $$$ donations and influence. Someone is pleasing a constituency.

    The two things are already fused. It may be possible that some PNAC members were not church-goers, but, we have the ability to peep most modern persons' affiliations at the very least. For example Lindsey Graham:


    A Southern Baptist, he is a member of the Corinth Baptist Church.



    That would be called "living in a nest of Zionists".


    On August 8, 2021, Graham became the first fully vaccinated senator to test positive for COVID-19.


    That would be called "much ado about nothing".

    Plenty of churches are or were against mainstream narratives.

    On matters concerning Russia and Zion particularly, I really do not see how it can be de-coupled from religious doctrines that are the sub-strate of the modern English language. Yes, it would seem these doctrines are not in the original scripture, and, were crafted by various hands until 1897, and this is still the same state of affairs now. At that time they did not know they were going to make Covid vaccines, or specialize in aircraft carriers, so a few things are "not applicable" to Biblical quotes.

    Current western geopolitics appear to be to evaporate from multiple continents, so it would seem to me to take some fine sifting to pan out the irreligious from the Zionist motivations. It's not supposed to answer everything, it is really only about Russia and Israel, and I don't think that just goes away. I don't know how it could be conveniently updated for new enemies either. Plus its modus operandi has always been to get you to worry about someone else other than Protestant Fundamentalists.

    It is actually pretty simple to note what the limited number of Zionist interpretations are, where, and through whom, they propagate, and then of course it would be fair and useful to take *everything* into consideration. Secondly this gives the ability to re-educate someone back out of it because on the "followers" side, it would be a lot of "this is how I was raised".

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    Quote Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
    The globalist/far left ideology is the new religion, you either assimilate to it or be cancelled. The globalists will likely soon put a face to this ideology and claim it's the "Savior" to all the world's religions. The Israel/Gaza situation is phase 1 to ushering in this Savior.


    That can be summarized in two words:


    New Age


    Messiahs used to be found every few years and Millenialism is a recurring tactic since year 1,000.

    What would be "new" as described would be the use of any, all religions, anything, for it to come true. This, is relatively new, ca. 1930s (e. g. Krishnamurti).

    The remedy here is explaining "the Savior" and secondly instead of Eight Great Religions, upon closer inspection, eastern spiritual traditions are not religions. So this thing is a theory, rapidly dismissed.

    That would not stop anyone from trying. The "good news" is that these strategies or plans don't work. They cost something.

    The west does not win anything here.

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    Also, while it is communications-dark over there in Gaza, there is simply a brief statement:



    Palestinian resistance thwarted several Israeli incursions into Gaza strip overnight, as Israeli warplanes ramped up strikes against civilians in the besieged enclave.

    Hamas Palestinian resistance group announced on Saturday the failure of the Israeli ground attack, saying significant losses were inflicted upon the occupation forces.

    “The enemy fell into ambushes set up by the Palestinian resistance on three fronts,” Hamas said in a statement, adding that resistance fighters used Kornet anti-tank missiles and Yassin shells against occupation forces.

    The Israeli occupation used helicopters to evacuate the wounded and the dead from the battlefield, the group stated, expecting that the Israeli occupation will try further incursions.

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    • "Netanyahu Invokes Biblical Prophecy As Israel Launches Invasion Of Gaza"

    Nothing to see, here, just a cult member ("Chabad", whose members think the Rebbe Menachem Mendel Schneersohn was the Messiah--Bibi is on video consulting with "the Rebbe") heading up a nuclear power whom US tax payers are obliged to fund--and, yet, if CHRISTIANS want to run things by the Bible, we're "Theocrats like ISIS or the Taliban".
    • The HYPOCRISY IS OUTRAGEOUS.
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    Wow, this is some turnout in London. It reminds me of the February 2003 march I was on

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    We can go further than my previous comment.
    This event began in the perimeter of eclipses, with a solar eclipse in conjunction with the south node, relative to the past. We pay these debts.
    We can compare the 39/45 war with the number of Jewish deaths and today of Palestinian deaths.
    History has been repeating itself since the dawn of time and for as long as we can remember for 2000 years, wars have occurred in four corners of the planet, one ends and another ends.
    Who cares today about Ukraine?, about Syria? women in Iran? ect... peace in the world is an illusion?, humans are not capable of being at peace with themselves …


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    Default Re: Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War

    lunesoleil I have always said its the human being itself, that is the problem. Whatever the system, be it freedom, or not, at the end of the day the complexity of the human, driven by its ego and need to be right, need to win, will in time pervert every best social system. I have always said the USA constitution and way of life is the BEST of all BAD systems.

    We are complex creatures, we want, and when we get, we no longer want want we wanted. We are hypocrites , do as I say, not as I do. In a crisis we will hoard rather then be sensible and share with others in need. We are in constant competition and in fear and self preservation.

    All that being said, thats why we are here. Thats why we left a perfect spirit non physical world. To do all this stuff and celebrate its wins and suffer its losses and grow for some weird reason.

    hey not my choice of systems but it seems to be the way it is. Many who have crossed over have said, all is perfect as it is, but it very hard for a earthrealm mind to reason and comprehend this

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    Posting from Kevork Almassian's Twitter account. shared today:
    I'm posting this two-segment video to set the record straight; there is credible information that indicates Israel, with the backing of the United States, intends to assassinate Syria's President Bashar al-Assad if Hezbollah opens a wide front from southern Lebanon.

    To put this in proper context; since 2011, the U.S. waged a secret covert operation in Syria to topple Assad and install a friendly government in Israel.

    To achieve this goal, the U.S. and its regional allies spent tens of billions in arming and training multinational takfiri terrorist groups. According to the New York Times, the secret program (Timber Sycamore) was one of the most expensive CIA covert operations in the history of the agency.

    However, Syria emerged victorious and the terror groups were mostly destroyed with the help of Iran, Russia, and Hezbollah.

    While President Trump ended the covert operation in 2017, the Pentagon sent troops to the Eastern shore of the Euphrates to occupy the oil and gas fields and hence, disallow the Syrian government from using the revenues of the oil to reconstruct the war-torn country.

    The pro-Syria alliance believes the CIA's attempt to remove Assad was urged by Israel because a pro-Israeli government in Damascus means the isolation of Hezbollah and eventually the Palestinian militant groups fighting against Israel.

    With the escalation of the conflict in Palestine and the carpet bombing of Gaza, it is believed that Hezbollah has mobilized its elite forces and kept 1/3 of the Israeli army busy on the northern front by firing ATGMs and rockets at the Israeli forces.

    But if Israel wages a full-scale invasion of Gaza, it is believed that Hezbollah will intervene and wage a ground offensive on the settlements in northern Israel.

    If Hezbollah's offensive materializes, my information indicates that Israel will bomb Damascus and try to kill Assad.

    Will Israel dare to do that? - I believe with the current mentality governing Tel Aviv, everything is possible.

    NOTE: the above text is an analysis based on my personal knowledge and different sources. It is not wishful thinking or scaremongering. It is simply a political analysis based on the available information to me.
    The first guest is @DanielLMcAdams on Syriana Analysis and the second speaker is the former British diplomat and MI6 agent Alastair Crooke on the New Rules channel.
    And Patrick Henningsen - from 21st Century Wire - shared this interesting video which delves into the events of October 7th, which were always fuggy, to say the very least:

    Text:
    "The entire Israel-Western narrative of Oct 7th is built on lies, and is being used to justify the most inhumane war crimes we are all witnessing now in #Gaza…."
    Source: https://twitter.com/21WIRE/status/1718229269858664685

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    Easy to see how this could escalate in your town, depending on your town's demography. More general western military involvement in Gaza could trigger civil wars all round the world. Now is the time for non-Jesus religions to swap hate for love, or it gets hotter and hotter unfolding in a terribly way. But that won't happen and it's so very predictable/prophesiable. It's a spiritual trap with only a narrow path to avoid it.

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    This may or not belong in this thread, but in response to Dennis calling "Palestine" a state, I believe that this Israeli makes it pretty clear that it never was a "state". It originally was a creation of the ancient Romans when they owned Israel and wanted to demote the Jews by creating a false entity they named "Palestine". The Arab countries around Israel all hate the "Palestinians" as they always cause trouble when exported to their countries:


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    Furthermore, I don't know who this Arab Muslim guy is, but we never hear the opinions of individual Arabs about "Palestinians" so here goes:

    https://twitter.com/HumanDilemma_/st...87268501405957

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    RASHI’s Brutal Plan to Take Out Hezbollah, Conquer Damascus and Destroy the Gaza Strip




    Love peace and joy to all!

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    Will it all get pushed to the insane Samson option?
    I believe it is truly possible.

    And I have never seen or heard a moment of bringing together, calling for peace, an attempt to ease tension for our own country or anyone else's by this inept criminal puppet clown in his fake office
    and I am continually in shock that anyone anywhere for any reason would actually vote for this criminal again

    And yet they will . go figure that out
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