Trump is NOT the answer

[gini]

Great discussion!I was kind of waiting when that mindblowing story of these mysterious books from more then a hundred years ago about a Trump (one is called "The last president"!!)would be brought to the table,i often wondered why there is not more talk about that..

[DNA]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
T Smith, Thanks so much for taking the time and effort to eloquently lay out your perspective on this. I don't want to offer a quick kneejerk response - it'll take me some time to go over your points. You may be 100% correct in every one of your perceptions, and I very much appreciate the dialogue.

Note that I realize that Trump at first made overtures to work with Russia, for example, and that it makes perfect sense to me that the Deep State stepped in and squashed that idea, as they have a 747-sized bug up their ass about Russia, going back to the USSR, at least. My question would be not about intent but action. What did Trump actually do, even if he was forced to do it? What did Trump ultimately do in Syria, even if he was forced to do it? Didn't he follow Deep State agenda? Also, the Deep State has a mighty big fly swatter and could make Trump go bye bye tomorrow morning - and pin it on some DNC patsy. I don't want Trump to die to prove your point, but I can't believe they want him sidelined and are suddenly inept at regime change, their specialty.

I'll leave those quick observations from my perspective and go get some sleep. I'll decide if I want to stick to my previous thought and go ahead and "laundry list" Trump's actions as US president in a new thread, as well as yet another new thread where I would present my views on what a good US president would do in office, to explore the "sin of omission" in policy - or continue a sort of ping-pong dialogue. If Trump wins next year (which I think he will), would it matter if his constituency provided a list of policy objectives on domestic and foreign policy that came from citizens, so that citizens could actually be represented, or is that a naive and stupid idea because Trump doesn't intend to be a representative of the people but rather has his own agenda? (The US is neither operating as a democracy nor a republic and we citizens have no representation now and have not for many many decades, or maybe more accurately for 247 years. So, if Trump wants to remain autocratic like 2016 to 2020, and as all the other presidents have done, maybe less overtly, that would just fall in line with the history of the US presidency.) I'm sure there must be Trump supporters (I'm assuming, such as yourself) that would prefer to be heard and be represented, rather than just accept the notion that he is going to somehow "make America great again", and grab a bag of popcorn.

Geez, 3am. Sleep calls.

I can't believe after all you've seen with Biden you still have the balls to point out perceived wrongs with Trump.
I'm blown away by the cognitive dissonance necessary for a person to lack self awareness or situational awareness in this context.
Biden is literally starving us removing whatever equity we have in our homes and pushing us literally into a nuclear holocaust.
The open border? Afghanistan?
Mandating the vaccines and trying to make them law?

Dude no offense but you got the efn vaccine.
At some point will you ever realize CNN bad?
Sure you're a smart guy and you're a nice guy but you're a mind controlled guy as well.
At some point being smart and being nice isn't enough.
You have to be able to deprograme your self.

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by DNA (here)

I can't believe after all you've seen with Biden you still have the balls to point out perceived wrongs with Trump.
I'm blown away by the cognitive dissonance necessary for a person to lack self awareness or situational awareness in this context.
Biden is literally starving us removing whatever equity we have in our homes and pushing us literally into a nuclear holocaust.
The open border? Afghanistan?
Mandating the vaccines and trying to make them law?

Dude no offense but you got the efn vaccine.
At some point will you ever realize CNN bad?
Sure you're a smart guy and you're a nice guy but you're a mind controlled guy as well.
At some point being smart and being nice isn't enough.
You have to be able to deprograme your self.

Sorry "DNA" (Marcus?), but talk about a programmed mind! Stuck in binary, caveman, thinking. I don't think you even read what I write.

Pointing out the mistakes of the Trump presidency in no way glorifies or supports Biden and the psychopathic mobsters that operate the Biden marionette. Jesus H Christ! You're suffering from Trump Adoration Syndrome, big time, with sugar sprinkles on top. Trump is not a good man and he was a bad president. As usual, the US presidential race pits a bucket of vomit against a bucket of diarrhea, and there are invariably people that will drink one bucket and not the other. I'm not one of those. I won't play the pretend game.

Venezuela. Assange. Syria. Are you really too blind to see that both Trump and Biden are of one mind on those and many other issues? Is what has happened to Venezuela and Syria and Julian Assange suddenly bad when Biden sits in the big chair, or maybe, just maybe were Trump's identical policies (well, actually worse in Julian Assange's case) also completely F***ed up and wrong and bad?

By the way, we're really not supposed to attack each other personally, but I give you my full permission to say anything you want about me. Fire away and show your ignorance about Trump. Just as I did when Obama was president and I pointed out to anyone who would listen that he was a slick-talking mobster and war criminal - and got cancelled by every former Democrat friend I once had, and just as I've pointed out what a mobster and puppet and psychopathic miscreant that Biden is and has been, I believe Trump will be the US president in 2024, and I will not stop exposing him as a bad president (and maybe if his base stopped fawning and pretending, and actually expressed the domestic issues and foreign policy "mistakes" and Deep State agenda followed from 2016 to 2020, maybe if Trump was awakened by his base, maybe he wouldn't be such a bad president in 2024-2028.)

p.s. Thanks for saying I'm smart and nice. You're a real sweetheart! But no, no vaccines for me, ever, thanks. If you read some of the many posts I've written, using the logical and analytical part of your brain and not your emotional afterburners, you might find that I'm telling the truth. The truth, not my truth, the truth.

p.p.s. Mods, please, let it go. Don't delete either of our messages or centure us. It's OK, it's steam that needs to be let out and not harmful.

[T Smith]

Posted by DNA (here)

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
T Smith, Thanks so much for taking the time and effort to eloquently lay out your perspective on this. I don't want to offer a quick kneejerk response - it'll take me some time to go over your points. You may be 100% correct in every one of your perceptions, and I very much appreciate the dialogue.

Note that I realize that Trump at first made overtures to work with Russia, for example, and that it makes perfect sense to me that the Deep State stepped in and squashed that idea, as they have a 747-sized bug up their ass about Russia, going back to the USSR, at least. My question would be not about intent but action. What did Trump actually do, even if he was forced to do it? What did Trump ultimately do in Syria, even if he was forced to do it? Didn't he follow Deep State agenda? Also, the Deep State has a mighty big fly swatter and could make Trump go bye bye tomorrow morning - and pin it on some DNC patsy. I don't want Trump to die to prove your point, but I can't believe they want him sidelined and are suddenly inept at regime change, their specialty.

I'll leave those quick observations from my perspective and go get some sleep. I'll decide if I want to stick to my previous thought and go ahead and "laundry list" Trump's actions as US president in a new thread, as well as yet another new thread where I would present my views on what a good US president would do in office, to explore the "sin of omission" in policy - or continue a sort of ping-pong dialogue. If Trump wins next year (which I think he will), would it matter if his constituency provided a list of policy objectives on domestic and foreign policy that came from citizens, so that citizens could actually be represented, or is that a naive and stupid idea because Trump doesn't intend to be a representative of the people but rather has his own agenda? (The US is neither operating as a democracy nor a republic and we citizens have no representation now and have not for many many decades, or maybe more accurately for 247 years. So, if Trump wants to remain autocratic like 2016 to 2020, and as all the other presidents have done, maybe less overtly, that would just fall in line with the history of the US presidency.) I'm sure there must be Trump supporters (I'm assuming, such as yourself) that would prefer to be heard and be represented, rather than just accept the notion that he is going to somehow "make America great again", and grab a bag of popcorn.

Geez, 3am. Sleep calls.

I can't believe after all you've seen with Biden you still have the balls to point out perceived wrongs with Trump.
I'm blown away by the cognitive dissonance necessary for a person to lack self awareness or situational awareness in this context.
Biden is literally starving us removing whatever equity we have in our homes and pushing us literally into a nuclear holocaust.
The open border? Afghanistan?
Mandating the vaccines and trying to make them law?

Dude no offense but you got the efn vaccine.
At some point will you ever realize CNN bad?
Sure you're a smart guy and you're a nice guy but you're a mind controlled guy as well.
At some point being smart and being nice isn't enough.
You have to be able to deprograme your self.

Here's the thing:

I'm not convinced Dennis is enamored with Biden--so it's a bit unfair to assume just because he's critical of Trump he's got a crush on Biden. And I'm almost certain Dennis doesn't get any of his news from CNN--he's way too aware and smart for that.

That said, I have so many friends and family who despise Trump so much it clouds their critical ability to think. Most of them are smart enough to understand Biden is not the answer--(of course he's not!)--truth be told they don't even like Biden and wish there was some other charlatan superficially espousing their values whom they could embrace--but even so, they don't regret supporting Biden over Trump, even given all that is unfolding in the world today under the Biden regime. But as I understand it, that demographic doesn't describe Dennis, cuz Dennis doesn't vote. He knows it's all a scam.

Regardless, there are some intellectual observers who don't necessarily support Biden, but who find cause to hate Trump all the same.

All I have to say to those are, I hope you have a plentiful supply of iodine...

At some point, we don't have the luxury of mental masturbation. Reality necessitates a binary choice when such a choice is presented. With the stakes so high, we would all do well to resign to that which isn't perfect for that which is good.

Trump may not be perfect, and he may not have slayed the Deep State convincingly enough for some, but I'm certain we wouldn't be on the precipice of global nuclear annihilation if Trump were POTUS.

[T Smith]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
p.p.s. Mods, please, let it go. Don't delete either of our messages or centure us. It's OK, it's steam that needs to be let out and not harmful.

Seconded. Emotions are high.... many may not want to be aware, but we're in at a very dangerous and critical crossroads.

Pray.

[onawah]

Agreed! It's great you guys are getting it all out on the table.
Once the steam is let off, the in depth conversation can continue, and I think that's long overdue.
It's a confusing scenario surrounding Trump at best, but hopefully, the more it's explored, the better sense can be made of it.
Current events need to be included more, imho, and not just those past.
I still regard Trump as the lesser of two evils considering all his mistakes when in office, but that gap between him and Biden has grown considerably, to say the least.

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)

p.p.s. Mods, please, let it go. Don't delete either of our messages or centure us. It's OK, it's steam that needs to be let out and not harmful.

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by T Smith (here)
Here's the thing:

I'm not convinced Dennis is enamored with Biden--so it's a bit unfair to assume just because he's critical of Trump he's got a crush on Biden. And I'm almost certain Dennis doesn't get any of his news from CNN--he's way too aware and smart for that.

That said, I have so many friends and family who despise Trump so much it clouds their critical ability to think. Most of them are smart enough to understand Biden is not the answer--(of course he's not!)--truth be told they don't even like Biden and wish there was some other charlatan superficially espousing their values whom they could embrace--but even so, they don't regret supporting Biden over Trump, even given all that is unfolding in the world today under the Biden regime. But as I understand it, that demographic doesn't describe Dennis, cuz Dennis doesn't vote. He knows it's all a scam.

Regardless, there are some intellectual observers who don't necessarily support Biden, but who find cause to hate Trump all the same.

All I have to say to those are, I hope you have a plentiful supply of iodine...

At some point, we don't have the luxury of mental masturbation. Reality necessitates a binary choice when such a choice is presented. With the stakes so high, we would all do well to resign to that which isn't perfect for that which is good.

Trump may not be perfect, and he may not have slayed the Deep State convincingly enough for some, but I'm certain we wouldn't be on the precipice of global nuclear annihilation if Trump were POTUS.

T, I don't hate Trump, I am describing his actions while US president. I've said before that Biden's open border policy is beyond insane - all Trump has to do is maintain the southern border the way the dozen presidents did before Biden and it would be better than Biden's border insanity. I'm not playing the "better" game. I don't care if he's better than Biden - that's not why I point out Trump's foreign and domestic policy while he was president. His actual record. I am not trying to convince ANYONE not to vote for Trump. If I said in writing what should happen to Biden and his mobster crew, I'd be dealing with the FBI and Secret Service later tonight.

You're right, I'm done with voting (unless and until US citizens rise up and take over the election system, prohibit political parties, prohibit any campaign contributions, prohibit anyone from running for office that owns any stock or has an affiliation with any corporation, prohibit anyone from running that is or was a member of a secret society or has a dual citizenship,...) I'm quite sure I'll never vote again even in local elections and would never ever ever vote for any Democrat gang member or Republican gang member. Even though I can't think of any saving grace with Biden and agree with Trump about restoring the border and stopping 'wokeness', with a gun to my head and if I had to vote for one or the other to save myself, my gray matter would be splattered on the wall. It doesn't matter who is the least objectionable.

But, vote away, all you voters. Deify Trump if that's what gets you high, just like the Democrat faithful that could care less how sh!tty Biden is will laud him and vote for him, several times.

We'll see who the Deep State allows to conduct Deep State agenda in 2024-2028 - my bet is they will pick Trump.

Trump murdered the most influential Iranian general, the troops in Syria guarding the oilfields so Syria can't rebuild and Israel can steal the oil were placed there by Trump, Trump utterly ignored the plight of the Palestinians and moved the US embassy to Jerusalem and did nothing about Israel's punctuated slow motion genocide of the Palestinian people... but we're going to pretend that Israel wouldn't have pulled a false flag LIHOP after creating/supporting Hamas into existence and that the Middle East would all be peaceful if Trump was in office? Trump wouldn't have WW III and global annihilation poised to happen if he were POTUS? Sorry, but that's emotion based, not rational.

Guess I'll go mentally masturbate while the Trump supporters keep polishing his halo.

[T Smith]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)

Posted by T Smith (here)
Here's the thing:

I'm not convinced Dennis is enamored with Biden--so it's a bit unfair to assume just because he's critical of Trump he's got a crush on Biden. And I'm almost certain Dennis doesn't get any of his news from CNN--he's way too aware and smart for that.

That said, I have so many friends and family who despise Trump so much it clouds their critical ability to think. Most of them are smart enough to understand Biden is not the answer--(of course he's not!)--truth be told they don't even like Biden and wish there was some other charlatan superficially espousing their values whom they could embrace--but even so, they don't regret supporting Biden over Trump, even given all that is unfolding in the world today under the Biden regime. But as I understand it, that demographic doesn't describe Dennis, cuz Dennis doesn't vote. He knows it's all a scam.

Regardless, there are some intellectual observers who don't necessarily support Biden, but who find cause to hate Trump all the same.

All I have to say to those are, I hope you have a plentiful supply of iodine...

At some point, we don't have the luxury of mental masturbation. Reality necessitates a binary choice when such a choice is presented. With the stakes so high, we would all do well to resign to that which isn't perfect for that which is good.

Trump may not be perfect, and he may not have slayed the Deep State convincingly enough for some, but I'm certain we wouldn't be on the precipice of global nuclear annihilation if Trump were POTUS.

T, I don't hate Trump, I am describing his actions while US president. I've said before that Biden's open border policy is beyond insane - all Trump has to do is maintain the southern border the way the dozen presidents did before Biden and it would be better than Biden's border insanity. I'm not playing the "better" game. I don't care if he's better than Biden - that's not why I point out Trump's foreign and domestic policy while he was president. His actual record. I am not trying to convince ANYONE not to vote for Trump. If I said in writing what should happen to Biden and his mobster crew, I'd be dealing with the FBI and Secret Service later tonight.

You're right, I'm done with voting (unless and until US citizens rise up and take over the election system, prohibit political parties, prohibit any campaign contributions, prohibit anyone from running for office that owns any stock or has an affiliation with any corporation, prohibit anyone from running that is or was a member of a secret society or has a dual citizenship,...) I'm quite sure I'll never vote again even in local elections and would never ever ever vote for any Democrat gang member or Republican gang member. Even though I can't think of any saving grace with Biden and agree with Trump about restoring the border and stopping 'wokeness', with a gun to my head and if I had to vote for one or the other to save myself, my gray matter would be splattered on the wall. It doesn't matter who is the least objectionable.

But, vote away, all you voters. Deify Trump if that's what gets you high, just like the Democrat faithful that could care less how sh!tty Biden is will laud him and vote for him, several times.

We'll see who the Deep State allows to conduct Deep State agenda in 2024-2028 - my bet is they will pick Trump.

Trump murdered the most influential Iranian general, the troops in Syria guarding the oilfields so Syria can't rebuild and Israel can steal the oil were placed there by Trump, Trump utterly ignored the plight of the Palestinians and moved the US embassy to Jerusalem and did nothing about Israel's punctuated slow motion genocide of the Palestinian people... but we're going to pretend that Israel wouldn't have pulled a false flag LIHOP after creating/supporting Hamas into existence and that the Middle East would all be peaceful if Trump was in office? Trump wouldn't have WW III and global annihilation poised to happen if he were POTUS? Sorry, but that's emotion based, not rational.

Guess I'll go mentally masturbate while the Trump supporters keep polishing his halo.

Fair enough. That's your take on it. And you make good points. But when the world stage is so utterly insane and irrational, sometimes all a girl has to cling to is emotion. All I know is the string masters yankin' at Biden want me dead. Trump, halo withstanding, resisted those strings. One doesn't have to like him, nor approve of his actions as president, to recognize this. That is, if one is being honest.

So yes, emotionally derived or not, I don't see any of the LIHOP/false flag World War III powerkeg scenario given a Trump presidency. That wasn't his modus operandi. That's the political objective of those who want me dead.

You really think, if they can't dispose of Trump before November of next year, that we're going to have a 2024 election?

If I'm a sycophant for wanting to survive--and for my children to survive, and for humanity not to be hurled back into the dark ages, so be it. We can all worry about whether polishing the halo is warranted or not while we're breathing and well.

[jaybee]

Posted by T Smith (here)

Fair enough. That's your take on it. And you make good points. But when the world stage is so utterly insane and irrational, sometimes all a girl has to cling to is emotion. All I know is the string masters yankin' at Biden want me dead. Trump, halo withstanding, resisted those strings. One doesn't have to like him, nor approve of his actions as president, to recognize this. That is, if one is being honest.

So yes, emotionally derived or not, I don't see any of the LIHOP/false flag World War III powerkeg scenario given a Trump presidency. That wasn't his modus operandi. That's the political objective of those who want me dead.

You really think, if they can dispose of Trump before November of next year, that we're going to have a 2024 election?

If I'm a sycophant for wanting to survive--and for my children to survive, and for humanity not to be hurled back into the dark ages, so be it. We can all worry about whether polishing the halo is warranted or not while we're breathing and well.

And THAT is the bottom line...

While Trump may not be the ultimate answer in a perfect and different world to the one we have now...and may never have, human nature being what it is...

He is, at a basic level in opposition to those who, as you say....want us dead...



This quote is from Dr John Coleman's book CONSPIRATORS' HIERARCHY: THE STORY OF THE COMMITTEE OF 300.....page 5....shows what a different approach Trump has wanting to stimulate industry and businesses, create jobs and increase wages... putting him in direct opposition to what the 'Committee of 300' plan for everyone...ie zero growth and depopulation -

I quote the profound statement made by the prophet Hosea, which is found in theChristian Bible: "My people perish for lack of knowledge." Some may already have
heard my expose of the foreign aid scandal, in which work I named several conspiratorialorganizations, whose number is legion. Their final objective was the overthrow of theU.S. Constitution and the merging of this country, chosen by God as HIS country, with a godless One World-New World Order Government which will return the world to conditions far worse than existed in the Dark Ages.


Let us talk about actual case histories, the attempt to communize and deindustrialize
Italy. The Committee of 300 long ago decreed that there shall be a smaller--much
smaller--and better world, that is, their idea of what constitutes a better world. the
myriads of useless eaters consuming scarce natural resources were to be culled. Industrial progress supports popula- tion growth. Therefore the command to multiply and subdue the earth found in Genesis had to be subverted.


This called for an attack upon Christianity; the slow but sure disintegration of industrial nation states; the destruction of hundreds of millions of people, referred to by the Committee of 300 as "surplus population, " and the removal of any leader who dared to stand in the way of the Committee's global planning to reach the foregoing objectives.

[Dennis Leahy]

We are experiencing Israeli Zionists M.O., not Biden's or Trump's. The Israeli Zionists have been systematically stealing Palestine and committing genocide on the Palestinians since 1948. That's before Trump was even born (I think.) The Israelis have been stealing land, expanding the Greater Israel project, no matter who was in the White House over the past 75 years. It's completely delusional thinking to say that Israel wouldn't have continued on their path if Trump was president.

On the contrary, just as Biden's regime is aiding and abetting the Israelis right now, Trump aided and abetted them from 2016 to 2020 and still espouses the same rhetoric in 2023. Israel wanted Syria nullified, and the USA, Inc. Deep State obliged (Hillary and Obama, then Trump, then Biden.) Both Biden and Trump regimes want to nullify Iran. The 9/11 event (that both Biden and Trump - and Obama and Bush - covered-up) was a multi-faceted operation but primarily an expansion of the Deep State core of the Americentric Empire's hegemony in the Middle East. The "7 countries in 5 years" that Gen. Clark exposed were primarily for Israel, the Deep State's "aircraft carrier" in the Middle East.

The Deep State embraces Zionism as one of its core attributes or "pet projects." The Deep State most certainly has aided and abetted the Israeli government, even if it was the Euro-centric Deep State or British Deep State that was responsible for creating Zionist Israel.

It is more than fanciful thinking to believe that when the Biden regime aids Israel's M.O. it is bad, but when the Trump regime aids Israel's M.O. it is good.

Recognizing Israel's M.O. is very important, because it is the successful pattern that has been adopted by the Ameri-centric Deep State as well as the Euro-centric Deep State, currently seemingly fronted by Klaus Schwab. (Each "regional" faction of Deep State has global domination as their end goal.) The M.O. is similar to what paleontologists and evolutionary biologists call "punctuated equilibrium." If Israel were to expand all at once into Greater Israel, killing and subjugating tens of millions of its neighbors all at once, they would be much less likely to accomplish their goal. So, they do it in waves, going as far as they can get away with, then holding in stasis or even pretending to back off by taking two steps forward and one step back.

Albert Pike wasn't psychic, he was privy to the Euro-centric Deep State's plans for 3 world wars. The torch has been passed to the Ameri-centric Deep State, and whoever sits in the Big Chair in the White House will preside over WW III because the Deep State's agenda will be followed.

It's Israel's M.O., not Biden's or Trump's. It's very naive to state that Israel wouldn't have surged ahead with its Greater Israel project with Trump in the White House, or that Trump wouldn't be supporting Israel 100% and risking/enabling WW III. During the Trump regime, the Russians came in and mopped-up alQaeda/ISIS in a couple of weeks in Syria after the USA, Inc. Deep State apparatus (that created and supported alQaeda/ISIS), using the USA Inc. military, pretended to fight them for years. Trump's regime (following Deep State orders) brought Russia in militarily into the Middle East. Now, Biden's regime is inviting Russia back into the Middle East militarily. These are facts, not conjecture.

Trump didn't put a dent into the Deep State much less "slay" them.

Posted by T Smith (here)

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)

Posted by T Smith (here)
...

Trump may not be perfect, and he may not have slayed the Deep State convincingly enough for some, but I'm certain we wouldn't be on the precipice of global nuclear annihilation if Trump were POTUS.

...

Trump murdered the most influential Iranian general, the troops in Syria guarding the oilfields so Syria can't rebuild and Israel can steal the oil were placed there by Trump, Trump utterly ignored the plight of the Palestinians and moved the US embassy to Jerusalem and did nothing about Israel's punctuated slow motion genocide of the Palestinian people... but we're going to pretend that Israel wouldn't have pulled a false flag LIHOP after creating/supporting Hamas into existence and that the Middle East would all be peaceful if Trump was in office? Trump wouldn't have WW III and global annihilation poised to happen if he were POTUS? Sorry, but that's emotion based, not rational.

..

Fair enough. That's your take on it. And you make good points. But when the world stage is so utterly insane and irrational, sometimes all a girl has to cling to is emotion. All I know is the string masters yankin' at Biden want me dead. Trump, halo withstanding, resisted those strings. One doesn't have to like him, nor approve of his actions as president, to recognize this. That is, if one is being honest.

So yes, emotionally derived or not, I don't see any of the LIHOP/false flag World War III powerkeg scenario given a Trump presidency. That wasn't his modus operandi. That's the political objective of those who want me dead.

You really think, if they can dispose of Trump before November of next year, that we're going to have a 2024 election?

If I'm a sycophant for wanting to survive--and for my children to survive, and for humanity not to be hurled back into the dark ages, so be it. We can all worry about whether polishing the halo is warranted or not while we're breathing and well.

[T Smith]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
It's completely delusional thinking to say that Israel wouldn't have continued on their path if Trump was president.

It is? That sounds speculative, at best. But how would we know? Trump was illegally removed from power by the Deep State, cuz they didn't know for sure what he would do once they allowed their Zionists agents off the leash, to have their way, to go full-Dresden on Gaza. Maybe Trump would go along with (or be tricked into) the plan to trigger WWIII, maybe he wouldn't. That's the point. Trump is and was an unpredictable rogue actor.

Aiding and abetting an ally of the United States, and in a way consistent with United States foreign policy spanning several decades and multiple presidential administrations of both political parties (whether one agrees with the policy or not), does not automatically equate to aiding and abetting, or even condoning an all-out trigger to WWIII. Those are two vastly different things.

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
On the contrary, just as Biden's regime is aiding and abetting the Israelis right now, Trump aided and abetted them from 2016 to 2020 and still espouses the same rhetoric in 2023...It is more than fanciful thinking to believe that when the Biden regime aids Israel's M.O. it is bad, but when the Trump regime aids Israel's M.O. it is good.

No one is disputing that. But here's the difference. The Biden administration isn't just aiding and abetting the Israelis. That's just lip service to US foreign policy and the necessary posturing to promote a greater agenda. The Biden administration (obedient stewards as they are relative to off-the-reservation Trump) is also aiding and abetting Hamas, supplying them weapons via Ukraine, and providing them necessary financial resources via Iran. This was all orchestrated. We taxpayers, dupes all, are funding both sides of this conflict to ensure the planned escalation to the demise of Western Civilization itself, which at the end of the day has nothing to do with either Israel or Palestine at its core.

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
Albert Pike wasn't psychic, he was privy to the Euro-centric Deep State's plans for 3 world wars. The torch has been passed to the Ameri-centric Deep State, and whoever sits in the Big Chair in the White House will preside over WW III because the Deep State's agenda will be followed.

Sure. Provided whoever is sitting the Big Chair doesn't resist the plan.

[onawah]

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“Material Desires Magnified”: The LUNAR ECLIPSE at 05°09′ TAURUS, Saturday, October 28, 2023, 20:25 UTC
October 29, 2023

Further complicating matters, Neptune’s semi-square to Jupiter and sesqui-square to the Mercury/Mars conjunction refracts the light of truth, skewing perceptions and clouding judgments. This diffusion of clarity sends ripples through the discourse, questioning our very grasp on reality. Additionally, Neptune’s opposition to Venus, the ruler of the eclipse, injects an unhealthy dose of idealism and delusion into the mix, making it even harder to discern genuine sentiments from deceptive allure. Following the Libra Solar Eclipse, there is much phoney ploy in our political manoeuvring as we teeter to stay on the decisive end of any argument. In such an environment, discerning truth becomes a Herculean task, with each revelation seeming more elusive than the last. It is perhaps important that we remember to check the source of our discontentment since this eclipse brings to the fore that, even in chaos, one must seek clarity, lest they be lost in the swirling mists of Neptune’s illusions.

MESSAGES OF PEACE:
As the world teeters on the brink of total and unmitigated destruction, individuals grapple with heightened internal turmoil—a volatile mix of misguided hope and impossible despair. Amidst this chaos, this lunar eclipse functions like a cosmic flashpoint, forcing us to confront the source of our emotional maelstrom head-on and bring it to a stable place.

Taurus wants us to shift from mere survival to abundant living. Stop chasing what you think you’re cheated of; focus on what you genuinely need. If you’ve been stuck in cycles of self-destruction and haunted by your demons, Taurus’ earthly energy beckons you to find stability and peace.

This final Taurus eclipse is your cosmic seal of approval, pushing you to make peace with your dark side, settle in a state of contentment, far away from Scorpio’s seething volcanoes. It’s a transition from violent battlefields to a garden of peace. This two-year process has jostled you out of the pits of misery, urging you to enjoy the abundance of life without relapsing into past patterns of self-sabotage. It’s been a journey indeed. How have you fared?"

[bojancan]

He is really weird...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIoPztLmAdM

[Dennis Leahy]

Isn't the reason to organize topics into threads - to discuss that topic? Alan Watts and an astrology forecast randomly inserted into the 'Trump is not the answer' thread?' (There's got to be a good "Uranus" double entender here, but I won't pursue it.) I sense that you are trying to break the tension in this thread, feeling the uncomfortable tension. Tension isn't a bad thing. Growth CAN come from tension, in fact, growth rarely happens without tension.

The Trump presidency most certainly did have a HUGE and profound effect on the Middle East, in Iran, in Syria, and in Israel. That was where the topic had evolved to before this Watts and horoscope "step back" excursion from the topic at hand.

I'm just about the only one on Avalon that is willing to examine the elephant in the room that Trump caused, promulgated, and exacerbated some of the issues that the USA - and more so the world - is facing right now. It's really not intellectually fair to turn a blind eye to Trump's onus and pretend it was simply the psychopathic Democrats and Biden regime that caused it all.

The facts I've laid out regarding Trump's policies and actions (and his cabinet advisors that he listened to, and the military intelligence apparatus that is the enforcement wing of the Deep State that he obeyed, even if quasi-reluctantly) have been excused, ignored, re-branded, and swept under the rug. Trump, turds and all, is going to be the next US president (I suspect.) I'm not preventing it or even recommending that US voters vote for someone else, but it doesn't have to happen sycophanticly and affording Trump an opaque smokescreen obscuring his major "blunders" and acquiescence to globalist/Deep State agenda while in office.

"Better than Biden!" isn't an intellectual discussion, and neither is the "Better than Trump!" battle-cry of the Democrats. Please allow the conversation to step back into the topic.

Posted by onawah (here)
Taking a step back from the huge preoccupying questions...


...

[Johnnycomelately]

Hi Pris. I don’t know bojancan’s politics, but after watching 6 min of the vid, I think that it’s in the right thread.

The title, “ Trump SHORT CIRCUITS During LOW ENERGY and AWFUL Speech”, is ridiculous. It would better be titled “Bunched Panties FIGHT BACK!”. I scrolled into the comments, and they all echoed that meme lol.

Master troll for sure. I find some of Dennis’s arguments persuasive, but this ain’t that. Embed of bojancan’s vid:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=TIoPztLmAdM

Posted by Pris (here)
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Posted by bojancan (here)
He is really weird...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIoPztLmAdM

In case you missed this:

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Mod note from Bill:

Dear Friends,

[onawah]

I find it's often helpful to step back and take a look at ourselves and our motivations when we are deeply embroiled in a controversial subject, and this time seems like a good time for that to me.
There is LOT going on inside of us as well as all around us, that affects the way we deal with what's going on outside, sometimes more than we realize.
The cosmos now is going through huge changes and that is reflected on what's going on on more mundane levels, but it helps to have a clear view of both.
When there is a fight going on, occasionally a referee steps in to allow for a break.
Everyone takes a little breather, reevaluates, clears their heads, and resumes the contest in a more refreshed and cognizant state.
This thread is an important one and my intent was not to derail or oppose, but to encourage just that.

[DNA]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
Isn't the reason to organize topics into threads - to discuss that topic? Alan Watts and an astrology forecast randomly inserted into the 'Trump is not the answer' thread?' (There's got to be a good "Uranus" double entender here, but I won't pursue it.) I sense that you are trying to break the tension in this thread, feeling the uncomfortable tension. Tension isn't a bad thing. Growth CAN come from tension, in fact, growth rarely happens without tension.

The Trump presidency most certainly did have a HUGE and profound effect on the Middle East, in Iran, in Syria, and in Israel. That was where the topic had evolved to before this Watts and horoscope "step back" excursion from the topic at hand.

I'm just about the only one on Avalon that is willing to examine the elephant in the room that Trump caused, promulgated, and exacerbated some of the issues that the USA - and more so the world - is facing right now. It's really not intellectually fair to turn a blind eye to Trump's onus and pretend it was simply the psychopathic Democrats and Biden regime that caused it all.

The facts I've laid out regarding Trump's policies and actions (and his cabinet advisors that he listened to, and the military intelligence apparatus that is the enforcement wing of the Deep State that he obeyed, even if quasi-reluctantly) have been excused, ignored, re-branded, and swept under the rug. Trump, turds and all, is going to be the next US president (I suspect.) I'm not preventing it or even recommending that US voters vote for someone else, but it doesn't have to happen sycophanticly and affording Trump an opaque smokescreen obscuring his major "blunders" and acquiescence to globalist/Deep State agenda while in office.

"Better than Biden!" isn't an intellectual discussion, and neither is the "Better than Trump!" battle-cry of the Democrats. Please allow the conversation to step back into the topic.

Posted by onawah (here)
Taking a step back from the huge preoccupying questions...


...

For you hating Trump is a religion and you are forever seeking converts.

With all that is going on wrong in the world right now the fact that when you take time to cobble two words together it's invariably anti Trump is most telling.

You don't understand one basic tenant to get what is going on.

DEPOPULATION

If you did you would be railing against the Globalists for having been tricked into taking their death dealing vaccine.
Word to the wise start taking Nattokinase immediately. You saw what happened to Matthew Perry yesterday right?
The guy who was so pro vaccine he was selling "can you get vaccinated enough" t-shirts.
The fact that the DEPOPULATION agenda Globalists and their patsies in the media and Goverment attacked Trump nonstop should tell you who to root for.
The guy made mistakes but who wouldn't with friends and foes alike fighting so against him.

You don't understand Globalism.
You still believe Goverments at some level are representatives of the people and no matter how complicated or enlightened you try to make your case it is still wrong because you don't get globalism and you don't get depopulation. Period.

It's not confusing.
It's not abstract.
Our Government wants to kill us.
As is the case with most governments of the world wanting to kill their citizens.

The exception being antiglobalist Nationalists. The party started and championed by Trump.

Trump and those following his movement are the only ones not married to the globalist agendas of the mass extermination agenda of humans.

Can we get any simpler than that?

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by DNA (here)

For you hating Trump is a religion and you are forever seeking converts.

I don't hate Trump, but you do seem to hate hearing truth about the negative actions and policies of Trump that you want everyone to ignore. If I were to "convert" you, for example, then after your conversion you would still support Trump and still vote for him, but you wouldn't do it blindly, and maybe you, converted, could 'hold Trump's feet to the fire' as president in 2024 so that he knew his base clearly saw the negative policies and action of 2016-2020 and not repeat them. When I see a naked emperor, I say, "The emperor is naked!" and don't pretend along with the acolytes and the frightened masses.

Posted by DNA (here)
With all that is going on wrong in the world right now the fact that when you take time to cobble two words together it's invariably anti Trump is most telling.

The Deep State's agenda used to be completely behind the curtain, hidden. On November 22, 1963, The Deep State hired thugs to murder JFK in broad daylight. They totally got away with it and the coverup and control over the mass media. The mass media never recovered from being taken over, controlled, and they never will. At this point, the Deep State barely has a transparent veil, no longer a curtain. The politicians are the State, not the Deep State. "Deep State" are the controllers of the politicians. 9/11 was orchestrated by the Deep State. The politicians were ordered to cover-up 9/11, and they all did, Trump included. "7 countries in 5 years" was Deep State, using the US military that they control. Crushing Russia and China is Deep State policy - the Deep State doesn't want a multi-polar world, they want to rule the world. The Deep State controls the CIA, the politicians don't.

Neutering Venezuela was Deep State policy - Trump happened to be the US president when the Deep State wanted Venezuela neutered, and Trump did the Deep State's dirty work (narco-terrorism international charges on the Venezuelan president, his cabinet members and generals, sanctions (phase 1 war), and a CIA fomented attempted coup, followed by the Trump regime proclaiming Guaidó was the president of Venezuela, followed by yet another CIA-fomented attempt called Operation Guideon in 2020.)

Murdering Iranian general Soleimani was Deep State agenda, which the Trump white house actuated, and Trump bragged about it. The Deep State and their CIA (along with Briton) overthrew the president of Iran in 1953, Operation Ajax, to control Iranian oil, Middle East regional control, and probably for the nascent Israel project begun 6 years prior. Everything that US citizens "know" about Iran came from the Deep State controlled, CIA controlled, State Department and the mass media. Most US citizens applaud the Trump regime's murder of general Soleimani, because they are ignorant, and "mushroomed." Trump and his followers think murdering an Iranian general was good, because the Deep State has been successful with narrative control, propaganda.

The Deep State, showing both Middle East hegemonic control agenda and Zionist agenda, nearly completely destroyed Syria (during the Obama/Hillary reign), and Syria was saved by Russia and Putin, forcing the Russian military into the Deep State's hegemony. Trump joined the Deep State bandwagon of demonizing Assad as an "animal", brought warships and shot missiles into Syria, and placed troops to guard Syria's oilfields so Syria cannot rebuild. Trump "recognized", in 2019, the Golan Heights area of Syria as Israel's property, taken by American-backed Israeli force. (The Golan Heights area has oil, water, gas, and fertile cropland.) The Israeli's recognized Trump and called one of the Golan Heights settlements "Trump Heights."

Trump's regime stood down for 4 years while Israel murdered and displaced and caged Palestinians, moved the US embassy to Jerusalem, and:

In August 2019, President Donald Trump declared himself “history’s most pro-Israel U.S. president.” He also characterised the Democrats as radicals seeking to destroy the special relationship between the US and Israel. “If you vote for a Democrat”, he said, “you are very, very disloyal to Israel and to the Jewish people.” Prominent American Jewish leaders, mainly Democrats, protested his rebuke.
In January 2020, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu described Trump as “the best friend Israel has ever had in the White House.”

Do we still want to pretend that Trump isn't partially responsible for what is going on in Palestine, Syria, Iran, and of course the US/UN recognized State of Israel?

Is examining Trump's record anti-Trump? Think about that honestly. Trump's RECORD. The public record of what Trump did as president. Some of it was good, like stopping funding to the WHO, but there are a hundred people here at Avalon who are now, and for the past 7 years, proclaiming only the good things Trump did, as part of his record while president. That's lopsided, one-sided, and dishonest.

Posted by DNA (here)
You don't understand one basic tenant to get what is going on.

I think I do, and I think I have shown that.

Posted by DNA (here)
DEPOPULATION

If you did you would be railing against the Globalists for having been tricked into taking their death dealing vaccine.
Word to the wise start taking Nattokinase immediately. You saw what happened to Matthew Perry yesterday right?
The guy who was so pro vaccine he was selling "can you get vaccinated enough" t-shirts.

You seem to forget "Operation Warp Speed"

Posted by from an article titled, "Biden receives Covid-19 vaccine, praises Trump's 'Operation Warp Speed'"
President-elect Joe Biden received the first dose of the Covid-19 vaccine on Monday in Wilmington, Delaware, telling Americans seconds after getting the shot "there's nothing to worry about."Biden received the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine at ChristianaCare Hospital. The shot was administered by Tabe Masa, a nurse practitioner and head of employee health services at the hospital. Biden held up his sleeve as he received the shot in his left arm and did not visibly react as he received his jab.

Seconds after he received the shot, Biden, wearing a face mask, said his fellow Americans had nothing to fear in receiving the vaccine.
"I'm doing this to demonstrate that people should be prepared, when it's available, to take the vaccine," Biden said. "There's nothing to worry about. I'm looking forward to the second shot."
Biden also praised President Donald Trump for his administration's efforts in helping accelerate the process of bringing Covid-19 vaccines to Americans.
"I think the administration deserves some credit getting this off the ground with Operation Warp Speed," Biden said.
"This give us great hope," he said.

Trump was still trying to underscore Operation Warp Speed early on the '24 campaign trail (I watched videos of it), until his handlers convinced him to stop it. Trump may have convinced more people to get the deadly/debilitating fake vaccine than Matthew Perry did.

Posted by DNA (here)
The fact that the DEPOPULATION agenda Globalists and their patsies in the media and Goverment attacked Trump nonstop should tell you who to root for.

No, I don't think in binary: "Biden good!; Trump bad!" (Democrat version) or "Trump good!; Biden bad!" (Republican version.)

I don't root for anyone in either (or any) political party. The only 2 relevant political parties in the US are corporations controlled by the Deep State. I still believe that Trump will get the presidency in 2024, and will be dealing with approximately 535 Deep State controlled congresspersons, give or take a handful, and will be hamstrung and ineffective the entire time. I believe trump's cabinet and advisors and the alphabet agencies and the military commanders will also be controlled by the Deep State, as they are now, and that the actions and policies of the Trump 2024-2028 term will actually primarily be Deep State agenda. I believe you are lauding a false 'prophet' who is adept at using anti-Deep State rhetoric and buzzwords, but has no idea at all how to escape their influence and control.

Posted by DNA (here)
The guy made mistakes but who wouldn't with friends and foes alike fighting so against him.

Indeed. I didn't say not to vote for him, I said to clearly and honestly examine his actual deeds while president from 2016 to 2020.

Posted by DNA (here)
You don't understand Globalism.

Well, I'll try to do a better job of expressing what globalism is, who the globalists are, and how the Deep State within the USA, Inc. dovetails with globalist perspective.

Posted by DNA (here)
You still believe Goverments at some level are representatives of the people and no matter how complicated or enlightened you try to make your case it is still wrong because you don't get globalism and you don't get depopulation. Period.

I've got thousands of words publicly published stating that US citizens have zero representation, and have highlighted the meta-analysis that was nicknamed the "Princeton Report" stating that US citizens have ZERO representation in government. Again, it appears that you don't actually read what I write, and are simply reactive to facts I publish that don't support Trump as a savior and champion of US citizens and effectively anti-Deep State.

Posted by DNA (here)
It's not confusing.

It certainly is to some people.

Posted by DNA (here)
It's not abstract.

No, it's not. I present facts.

Posted by DNA (here)
Our Government wants to kill us.
As is the case with most governments of the world wanting to kill their citizens.

The evidence is that the Deep State wants to cripple us to be fed into the Medical Racket that they control. Dead citizens are not as lucrative as live crippled ones. It appears to me that Covid-19 and the toxic injections were more about crippling and controlling the population than killing off the population, though certainly many were also killed. Culling the older part of the citizenry faster than normal is a way for the elite/globalists to retain more taxpayer funds (pensions, social security, etc.) When the globalists actually have murder as their #1 goal, they will unleash a 100% deadly virus that they are actually (not pretend) inoculated against.

Posted by DNA (here)
The exception being antiglobalist Nationalists. The party started and championed by Trump.

Trump and those following his movement are the only ones not married to the globalist agendas of the mass extermination agenda of humans.

There's a huge difference between rhetoric and action. Trump employs rhetoric for support, but his actions while president were not actually anti-globalist (or anti-corporatism, or anti-security state, or anti-Deep State agenda.)

Posted by DNA (here)
Can we get any simpler than that?

Evidently, some people over-simplify the complex and multi-faceted gambit of the Deep State. Trump didn't make a dent in the Deep State, and he won't in 2024-2028. If he actually becomes a threat to the Deep State, he will be extinguished.

[bojancan]

I do not hate Trump... just listening his yearly long contradictions and lies...
I utterly agree with you, Denis!

[onawah]

If nothing else, all the political conflicts create a huge wall of distractions so that people pay less attention to issues that the Deep State prefer to keep as clandestine as possible.
Trump certainly has been helpful with that, whether intentional or not.