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    https://x.com/AlArabiya_Eng/status/1721877734593376434



    https://x.com/AlArabiya_Eng/status/1721875146586182036



    https://x.com/AlArabiya_Eng/status/1721866944712708413


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    Quote Posted by Eric J (Viking) (here)
    Scott Ritter - "Palestine and Hamas have won.. Israel is in BIG TROUBLE!.." Excellent take on what’s going on and how Hamas has been manipulated to divide … and creating a Palestinian state..ect





    Eric J

    Russia urges for ‘collective action’ on Israel conflict
    AFP - November 6, 2023

    https://insiderpaper.com/russia-urge...rael-conflict/



    Russia on Monday called for “collective action” to end fighting between Israel and Hamas, including an international conference, almost a month into the war that has left thousands dead.

    Russia, which has been waging a large-scale military operation in Ukraine for more than 20 months, has also repeatedly criticised Western policies in the Middle East.

    Moscow maintains ties with both Hamas and Israel and has said it can mediate the conflict.

    “Against the backdrop of the unprecedented escalation of violence in the zone of the Palestinian-Israel conflict there are more and more calls for collective action to de-escalate the situation in the Middle East, including an international conference,” Russia’s foreign ministry said in a statement.

    It said Moscow “actively supports” such calls and that it was in favour of a “multilateral approach” in regulating the conflict.

    “As history has shown, attempts to ‘monopolise’ mediating functions have led not to regulating conflicts, but to the escalation that we are witnessing,” it added.

    President Vladimir Putin has said Moscow can play a mediating role in the conflict, but officials have so far reached no breakthrough on freeing hostages held in Gaza or ending fighting.

    Moscow launched a diplomatic efforts to try to free more than 200 hostages Hamas took during its attack on Israel last month.

    At least eight Russian citizens are believed to be among them.
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    Quote Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...sary-horrific/

    Today is the one month anniversary of the slaughter of innocent Israeli citizens by murderous Hamas terrorists.
    Yes, it is. And in that last month, it's been estimated (some think conservatively) that Israeli bombing has slaughtered 4,200 children or more.

    They know they're doing this. But they don't care. There are many in Israel (but not all, of course), who regard every Palestinian as some sort of 'combatant', even if they're too young to walk or talk, let alone understand why men (and maybe some women) just a few miles away are trying to kill them.

    ~~~

    Above, I wrote "maybe some women".

    Here's one. This isn't 'propaganda'. She's really saying this.

    https://t.me/llordofwar/235177

    The text:
    Israeli settler call for the annihilation of the 'Palestinian race'
    "I’ll return to Be’eri [settlement] only when the last Palestinian is annihilated. I don’t care if it’s children, elderly, people on crutches that came to pillage, I don’t care," says a settler from a kibbutz near Gaza.


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    Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless — like water...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend. Bruce Lee

    Free will can only be as free as the mind that conceives it.

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    Israel's Hilltop Youth: Thou Shalt Not Kill | Radicalised Youth

    This was on Al Jazeera recently and it's chilling. I was minded of Israel's Heritage Minister, Amichai Eliyahu, who was recently suspended after he said in an interview that dropping a nuclear bomb on the Gaza Strip was “one of the possibilities,” and also the woman in the clip above and the Israeli pop singer

    At 23.12: "The more nationalistic you are, the more militia-like you become. All of a sudden, every idiot at the top of the hill takes a flag, sticks it down and that's the new border of the country," says former speaker of the Knesset, Avraham Burg. "They're [the Hilltop Youth] insignificant in numbers, they are insignificant ideologically ... they are even insignificant as a crime gang. They are very significant in [how they are] dictating to the government a de facto policy - which is wrong."

    Of course some of the Palestinian youths are radicalised too, even more so now I suspect. Can the situation in Israel ever be healed?
    "Is there an idea more radical in the history of the human race than turning your children over to total strangers whom you know nothing about, and having those strangers work on your child's mind, out of your sight, for a period of twelve years?" John Taylor Gatto

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    Quote Posted by Humwawa (here)
    Edit: Ultimately, geopolitics trumps all other considerations. The ethnic hatred, the Banderites, the Zionists, the Nazis, etc., are all secondary. They come and go. The only thing that really counts is the very substantial geopolitical interest of the Empire.


    Usually, yes.

    In this case, Israel has no strategic value.

    That's not what started it.

    By, "geopolitics", I would understand something like Iran, which was in the 1920s a big oil field for British Petroleum. Therefor, the "policies" that became involved were all in favor of exploitation and extraction, with personal or religious matters being mere addenda.

    Israel can claim what, a ca. 2010 discovery of an underwater oil field spreading beyond their "borders"?

    What does it have? Desert mixed with a few deserts??

    Maybe at one time someone thought it might be a "foothold" to spread America around the ME, but that's still not why it started, or, particularly effective.

    It appears to be a far greater liability than actual value.

    What is frustrating is that on a basic level, if it was just about Jews returning to farming and learning how to fructify deserts, without harming the natives, we would probably all like it.

    When thinking of what I, at least, consider "geopolitical", Ukraine--Odessa and Saudi Arabia would stand out for American hegemony. It seems Israel might be trivialized, aside from the personal and religious issues.

    Subsequently, yes, genocide is usually accompanied by great fanfare.


    That is almost all we see at play according to Syrian FM Mikdad:


    “Western lying and its open desire to kill Arabs, including Palestinians, the continuation of the occupation of lands and support for terrorism are a constant strategic policy that has not changed” Mikdad concluded.



    I suppose we could say Israel is like a fly in the ointment of a wider geopolitical machine. The more influential part of it is India:


    However, in India – the first non-Arab country to recognise the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), but now seen closer to Israel and its biggest benefactor, the United States – some pro-Palestine protesters were reported being targeted by the government, reports Al Jazeera.



    And the current issue was to be something like an American BRICS alternative:


    Quote On September the 9th the White House announced a plan for the construction of an India-Middle East-Europe Corridor (IMEC) that will connect India to Europe, through the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and Israel. On Oct. 7, Iran’s Palestinian ally Hamas burst out of Gaza into Israel, killing 1,400 Israelis, and kidnapping 200 others. Iran is part of the competing Belt and Road corridor designed to connect China to the Mediterranean.

    “One of the reasons Hamas moved on Israel… they knew that I was about to sit down with the Saudis,” President Biden said. “The Saudis wanted to recognize Israel.”

    Hamas’ plan to sabotage peace seemingly worked. Riyadh reportedly froze normalization talks with Israel. Arab governments issued a flurry of statements denouncing the death of Palestinians in Gaza, while anti-Israel protests erupted in many Arab and Muslim countries.

    To me, that explains the "timing".

    Hamas went off to object to this "Saudi pivot", which has at least partially worked.

    India has typically shown a reasonable amount of Palestinian support such as in their UN archives.


    The current government is definitely imposing a shift:





    The IMEC would have been important because of Nordstream 2 and Ukraine, and provided Europe's future gas.

    The critical component is not America, it is Saudi Arabia and India, who are capable to "go their own way" such as compatibility with the Russian sphere. The IMEC obviously involves sea transit to cut Iran out of the picture. If Iran remains relevant, then the IMEC would be more expensive and less useful.

    So the geopolitical aspect is less related to original American or Israeli designs, and they appear less in control.

    I think what we are seeing is the result of plans that don't work and a loss of control, mixed with a psychological and linguistic inability to talk about anything other than plans and control.

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    Today making the same points about real vs. unreal geopolitics that I just did is Radhika Desai of U-Manitoba:


    Quote Dr. Radhika Desai told Sputnik that the India – Middle East – Europe Economic Corridor (IMEC) promoted by the US pale in comparison to the Chinese Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) which has "just celebrated its 10th year. It has built projects in over 150 countries. It has spent $1,000,000,000,000 over this period."

    "Meanwhile, this project that he's [US President Joe Biden] talking about hasn't even mobilized the funds," the professor stressed.

    Desai argued that the so-called alternative to the BRI is unable to gather funds for its implementation for the reason that the private sector is unwilling to invest in long-term projects which may result in an increased of burden on taxpayers in Western countries.

    "They expect that the private sector is going to come and pony up the funds, which, of course, as you know, every time you assume that the private sector is going to invest in any infrastructure, it usually comes with vast amounts of essentially a backing by government, which then means that the private sector can make essentially risk free profits, super profits, mega profits by jacking up costs all the time. And meanwhile, if anything goes wrong, then the taxpayer of many different countries is there to essentially bail them out. So this is what he is calling the equivalent of the Belt and Road Initiative. I mean, it really is remarkable," the professor stated.

    Further on, Desai emphasized that the Biden administration has been lying on many topics of both domestic and international agenda. She made several arguments to prove the deceitful nature of US policy.

    "I mean, every premise upon which today the rule of the people that Biden represents is truly justified in the United States, whether it is domestic policy or international policy is based on lies," the professor highlighted.


    The analyst argued that the US and democracy has nothing in common since the ruling class does not represent the interests of ordinary people, but of the privileged minority.

    "United States today represents nothing more than a plutocracy, because basically, no matter who is elected, the interests of the 1% are what are what they the they promote and protect," Desai stressed.


    "You know, so I mean, one can go on and on, but I mean, practically everything they say these days to legitimize their rule is wrong. But they feel, for example, these build back better programs. You know, he was elected in order to revive the American economy. But how can a president who owes his position to a small number... of big capitalists were essentially sitting on top of an extremely financialized system whose purpose is precisely not to invest in production, not to create jobs, but essentially make profits without making anything, without producing anything," the professor stated.

    Referring to the worldwide protests against Israeli bombing of Gaza, the professor emphasized that the "policy based on lies" is not working the way the White House wants.

    "And these lies... they're not working. As you know, hundreds of thousands of people are choking the streets of every major metropolis in the world, essentially calling for an end to this, even though their own government is saying that, you know, I think it was the home secretary of the UK who called them 'hate marches'... The government is trying to dissuade them from doing so. But these things are going on. So, these lies are not working... They say you can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time," Desai stressed.


    To catch back up with Democracy, here are recent approval ratings from Morrning Consult featuring Berset, the guy dealing with Covid lawsuits, and Modi who doesn't have to lie because he really does represent popular will:



    LEADER APPROVE DISAPPROVE

    Narendra Modi (India) 79% 17%
    Andrés Manuel López Obrador (Mexico) 64% 32%
    Alain Berset (Switzerland) 64% 27%
    Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva (Brazil) 50% 43%
    Anthony Albanese (Australia) 45% 44%
    Pedro Sánchez (Spain) 42% 53%
    Giorgia Meloni (Italy) 41% 54%
    Joe Biden (U.S.) 38% 55%
    Leo Varadkar (Ireland) 38% 54%
    Alexander De Croo (Belgium) 37% 49%
    Justin Trudeau (Canada) 32% 63%
    Ulf Kristersson (Sweden) 31% 58%
    Mateusz Morawiecki (Poland) 31% 61%
    Rishi Sunak (U.K.) 28% 63%
    Jonas Gahr Støre (Norway) 26% 65%
    Olaf Scholz (Germany) 26% 68%
    Mark Rutte (Netherlands) 26% 68%
    Emmanuel Macron (France) 25% 70%
    Karl Nehammer (Austria) 23% 71%
    Yoon Seok-youl (South Korea) 21% 72%
    Fumio Kishida (Japan) 18% 70%
    Petr Fiala (Czech Republic) 18% 76%


    Quote For Biden, with a net job-approval of -13%, to be saying such things about national leaders who have served their nations vastly better than Biden has been serving his, is hateful, closed-minded, petty, and extremely dangerous both to his own country and to all countries; it is despicable, and clearly marks him as a leader who needs to be regime-changed as soon as possible (but not replaced by anyone in his Administration, since he has surrounded himself with individuals who are just as dangerous as he himself is).

    Anyhow: the way that America’s super-rich, who provide most of the funding to U.S. political campaigns, keep supplying the country with abysmal Presidents virtually nonstop ever since the end of WW II (and, so, ever since 1945, the U.S. Government has perpetrated 297 invasions and at least 60 coups) is by selecting to fund in each Party only politicians who will serve their bidding and not the public’s needs. It’s the same in all U.S.-and-allied countries.

    Just look at the “Global Leader Approval Rating Tracker” to see how it has been playing out in each one of the 17 U.S.-and-allied countries. None of them is a democracy (one-person-one-vote); each of them is an aristocracy (one-dollar-one-vote, just like a corporation is). Each one of them is pay-to-play. And that is why each of these nations is a game that the public always loses.

    So: in the U.S.-and-allied world, the publics constantly hear and read that their own country is a “democracy” but that China and Russia are “dictatorships,” and this hate-machine is nonstop. It’s an upside-down ‘reality’, which produces “manufactured consent” (but NOT democracy). It produces wars. It produces invasions, coups, and sanctions. And profits for the owners.

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    The British gas exploration rights to Gaza marine gas field expire in 2024.
    After this Gaza could grant these rights to Russia.
    This is something very concerning to Washington.

    Keep in mind, the Biden administration was also behind the destruction of Nord Stream....

    https://x.com/ricwe123/status/1721830429525766395



    ¤=[Post Update]=¤

    https://x.com/deepbarot/status/1721953216110178627



    Text:
    Discovered in 2000, there are extensive gas reserves off the Gaza coastline:
    "It should be noted that 60 percent of the gas reserves along the Gaza-Israel coastline belong to Palestine.The BG Group drilled two wells in 2000: Gaza Marine-1 and Gaza Marine-2. Reserves are estimated by British Gas to be of the order of 1.4 trillion cubic feet, valued at approximately 4 billion dollars. These are the figures made public by British Gas. The size of Palestine’s gas reserves could be much larger.
    Who Owns the Gas Fields?
    The issue of sovereignty over Gaza’s gas fields is crucial. From a legal standpoint, the gas reserves belong to Palestine. The death of Yasser Arafat, the election of the Hamas government and the ruin of the Palestinian Authority have enabled Israel to establish de facto control over Gaza’s offshore gas reserves. British Gas (BG Group) has been dealing with the Tel Aviv government. In turn, the Hamas government has been bypassed in regards to exploration and development rights over the gas fields. In 2006, British Gas “was close to signing a deal to pump the gas to Egypt.” (Times, May, 23, 2007). According to reports, British Prime Minister Tony Blair intervened on behalf of Israel with a view to shunting the agreement with Egypt.
    Gaza and Energy Geopolitics
    The military occupation of Gaza is intent upon transferring the sovereignty of the gas fields to Israel in violation of international law."

    https://x.com/robinmonotti/status/1720400117822353649

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    The scale of the disaster in Gaza a month later

    ▪️ More than 10 thousand civilians were killed, among them more than 4 thousand children, 48 journalists, 493 medical workers, as well as 18 representatives of civil defense (EMERCOM).

    ▪️ Israeli bombings and raids forced almost 70% of Gaza's population to flee their homes.

    ▪️ During the bombing, Israel used about 30 thousand kilotons of explosives, an average of 82 kilotons per square meter. km.

    ▪️ Half of hospitals and 62% of primary health care centers are not working (that's 16 hospitals, 13 medical institutions and 32 health centers).

    ▪️ 222 thousand houses were damaged, 10% became uninhabitable as a result of Israeli bombing.

    ▪️ 40 thousand residential buildings and 88 government buildings were completely destroyed.

    ▪️ 222 schools (a third of schools) were damaged, 60 schools are no longer functioning.

    ▪️ 56 mosques were destroyed, 192 mosques and 3 churches were damaged.

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    Default Re: Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War

    I noticed that everybody here is sucked into Pro Palestine vs Pro Israel debate, and everything that happens in the middle east right NOW. But let's go back to October 7th, and discuss WHAT EXACTLY happened there. The only people who actually take the time to focus on October 7th are Jeffrey Prather, David Icke, and Alex Jones (a little bit). Without Understanding all the details of what happened on October 7th and the events leading up to that day, there is no point in moving on.

    Unfortunately, Scott Ritter and Col. Macgregor are not much help here, especially, Ritter. Regarding October 7th, they both repeat the same mainstream talking point... "Intelligence Failure".

    I served in the IDF and I have dealt directly with both Military Intelligence and Shib Bet, I know how they operate. This was no "Intelligence Failure". Ask me anything.

    Let's discuss October 7th!

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    Quote Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
    https://x.com/dancohen3000/status/1722012283688116557

    I'm having a hard time reconciling how and why this report in on CNN. Why is the Ministry of Truth showing us this? What is their agenda, and why are have they turned on the Zionist propaganda?

    If anyone has any insights, I'd be interesting in hearing them.

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    Default Re: Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War

    holcaul. i doubt i could add anything to this entire tragic scenario. why dont you share your take on what happened on oct 7th and how you see this playing itself out?
    what will be the end game here ?

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    Quote Posted by holcaul (here)

    I served in the IDF and I have dealt directly with both Military Intelligence and Shib Bet, I know how they operate. This was no "Intelligence Failure". Ask me anything.

    Let's discuss October 7th!
    I think everyone here understands well, as given, (save for Scott Ritter?), that there was no intelligence failure on October 7.

    What exactly is there to discuss?

    Hamas, funded and supported clandestinely by the Zionist regime, whose raison d'etre is to divide the resistance between secular and fundamental factions among the Palestinian people, such that providing just enough oxygen to the fundamentalists will serve to galvanize public sentiment away from ever supporting the creation of a "terrorist" Palestinian State, is tasked with a multi-dimensional false flag psyop attack on October 7, which then enables a campaign of genocide against the Palestinian population entire. If Military Intelligence didn't outright infiltrate and help plan the attack, they allowed the attack, stood down, and abetted the slaughter of 1400 innocent Israelis, the psychological objective of which is to garner the necessary rage and support to justify genocide against the unconscionable perpetrators of the barbarity of the horrific Hamas massacre, the greatest mass slaughter of Jews since World War II.

    This plan appears to be ill-conceived, however, as nobody with more that a few brain cells firing is buying it.

    Save for my ability to reason, I have no inside information or intelligence, and I'm the first to admit I could be wrong.

    If I'm missing something, or off base, however, or if there is something further to discuss, I'm open. Let's discuss.
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    Default Re: Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War

    I served in the Anti-Aircraft Division of the Air Force in the early 2000s. I spent many months of my 3 years of service protecting the air space of Israel's Northern border. I sat in rooms with "Tazpitanim" (border observers). These soldiers' only goal is to watch different sections of the border through different means, both optical and sensor alike. They would be aware of every bird and animal touching the border fence. And if a heavier animal touched the fence and they were not sure, an infantry platoon would be deployed IMMEDIATELY with us (anti-air defense) and a tank platoon would be put on high alert. To think that ~800 Hamas combatants penetrated the Israeli border fence in multiple spots cutting through the fence with no resistance in the middle of the day, as well as crossing the border in powered parachutes. It took the Israeli military HOURS to respond. This is absurd. I also remember dealing indirectly with "Shabak" (known in the West as Shin-Bet). The amount of accurate intelligence that would come from them, was overwhelming. They would keep taps on every movement of EVERY member of the Hamas and Hezbollah. I believe everyone heard of Unit 8200, they are the SIGINT collection unit for the Millitary Intelligence Corps of the IDF (thnk of them as Israel's NSA). Are you telling me that they had NO knowledge of the Hamas operation that required staggering amounts of coordination? Other intelligence units operate behind enemy lines. And let's not forget the Mossad.

    Are you telling me that IDF's Military Intelligence Corps, Shin-Bet, and Mossad all of them dropped the ball on that day?

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    The Ten Dumbest Things We’re Being Asked To Believe About Israel’s War On Gaza

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    Here are the ten dumbest things we’re being asked to believe about Israel’s war on Gaza, in no particular order:
    I’ve taken sides, mostly for myself but sometimes for others, some of whom I didn’t know at all. Saved my ass, and the asses of those aquaintance and strangers. I understand that value.

    In this fight, which is as old as the religions involved, I don’t have a favourite. I see it as a tribal thing, same same, only now one tribe has better weapons. I would get concerned if things dominoed from here, but not so far....
    About 50 years ago, when I hadn't looked into the situation at all but relied on what I had heard on the news (which was really all from the Israeli skewed perspective and the compliant US State Department), I thought it was an ancient "Jews vs. Muslims" conflict, intractable and unsolvable, equal and opposite, both wrong.


    Spend ten minutes finding out the history of the area known as Palestine, where some upper-crusty Brits decided to plop the European Jews they didn't want in Europe, into Palestine. Spend a minute pondering the 750,000 Palestinians the new state of Israel evicted from their homes, their land, at gunpoint, in 1948. That's really as far as you have to research to know what is going on. Unless you're a "might makes right" sympathizer that condones brutal imperialism, you should be able to "pick a favorite." To anyone that is OK with the "might makes right" imperialist mindset, (not just you but anyone), I ask for your street address so I can come over with forceful friends and loaded guns, and kick you out of your house and off your land, and make it mine.


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    Quote Posted by T Smith (here)
    Quote Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
    https://x.com/dancohen3000/status/1722012283688116557

    I'm having a hard time reconciling how and why this report in on CNN. Why is the Ministry of Truth showing us this? What is their agenda, and why are have they turned on the Zionist propaganda?

    If anyone has any insights, I'd be interesting in hearing them.
    Notice that Andersin CIAooper tried twice to twist her story into being about Palestinians turning on her... and never once mentioned that what Israel is doing is wrong. So, it was by no means a CNN about-face.


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